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2012-08-02 08:06:11 PM
20 votes:
Good. Disagree with their stupid ass policies all you want, but there's no excuse for yelling at a scared/bired teenager working a fast food window.
2012-08-02 08:11:49 PM
18 votes:
I cannot f*cking STAND people who biatch at cashiers, tellers, waiters, etc because of a policy decided by someone else., a thousand miles away, and a million miles up the pay scale.

I would have fired his ass, too.
2012-08-02 08:16:02 PM
14 votes:
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2012-08-02 08:12:34 PM
11 votes:
I'm having a really hard time understanding any thought process by which he imagined himself not looking like a complete asshole in this video.
2012-08-02 08:05:32 PM
10 votes:
Ranting at the drive-thru guy? That's like trying to stick it to The Man by assaulting one of The Man's discarded toenail clippings.
2012-08-02 08:12:09 PM
9 votes:
The definition of ASSHAT.
2012-08-02 08:28:40 PM
8 votes:
She is cute. And a ginger. And she handled herself well.

Hopefully Mr. Smith will one day find himself asking her if she wants fries with her meal. He could use a solid dose of humility.
2012-08-02 08:15:11 PM
7 votes:
What a dick. He wouldn't have been fired if he wasn't a bigger dick by posting how much of a big dick he is for the world to see.
2012-08-02 09:10:43 PM
6 votes:

gimmegimme: Jesus Christ. Welcome to America, in which there is no difference between you at work and you at home. While I do NOT like what this guy did at all, I take great exception to the idea that we are representatives of Dear Company at all times


Actually, you're a representative of yourself at all times.

Anyone who would be this big of a jerk and put it on video online rather than burying it shamefacedly and apologizing the next day deserves to lose not only their job, but any respect they've garnered.

This wasn't a bit, this wasn't Borat, this was honest to goodness hate.

Not only should this guy lose his job, he should be unable to get a new one with any respectable company for a few years because he's clearly a dickface. It doesn't matter if he can do the job, nobody should want to work with him.
2012-08-02 08:21:35 PM
6 votes:
Good. People who treat fast food workers like crap, no matter what their boss's beliefs, are scum.
2012-08-02 11:39:12 PM
5 votes:

gimmegimme: Lsherm: gimmegimme: Lsherm: GAT_00: Lsherm: They're going to suck at all aspects of it if you don't train them.

Oh please, tell me more about how you educate the lower classes on how to respect their betters, and how you civilize the untamed.

Who said anything about lower classes? I'm talking about teenagers at their first job.

I'm going to go ahead and guess you didn't work as a teenager. You give off that vibe.

He seems like he didn't work as a teenager because he doesn't want to treat fast food workers as subhumans?

He seems like he didn't work as a teenager because he doesn't understand (or claims not to) how people can suck at the first job they ever had without training for every aspect of it.

You seem like you DID have a job as a teenager and needed an awful lot of training to be able to perform extremely basic tasks.


Oh go fark yourself. Customer Service is a skill that can be taught, should be planned for, and should be cultivated in any retail setting. If it isn't, then you end up with shiatty customer service because your base of employees will not, by definition, have the same background or inclination to provide a consistent level of service. If you don't develop a minimum level of service rules for interacting with customers, then your employees will continually redefine what constitutes "customer service" because they don't have any guidelines. And like a "casual dress" day at work - someone will always lower the bar farther than you thought possible.

Go to a Chik-Fil-A. They have better service than McDonald's, Wendy's, KFC, Popeye's, or any other comparable fast food joint. Why? They provided customer service training and a framework their employees should follow.

You seem like you've never worked with groups of people from disparate backgrounds, with no prior work experience, who gain valuable skills with customer service training. It's not a negative to train your employees to present a positive image to the customer at all times, or to train them that their 30 second interaction with a customer is a chance to build a relationship.

My local Popeye's has a cashier who dips and spits into a cup when he works the register. He doesn't handle the food, but do you think that's something that, just maybe, the management should take care of?
2012-08-02 08:20:31 PM
5 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: I cannot f*cking STAND people who biatch at cashiers, tellers, waiters, etc because of a policy decided by someone else., a thousand miles away, and a million miles up the pay scale.


So much word to this.

I'd like to know what he seriously hoped to accomplish by being an asshole to a drive-thru employee.
2012-08-03 07:40:57 AM
4 votes:
I have nothing useful to add to this discussion that hasn't already been said, so here is a cute ginger girl from a random GIS
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2012-08-03 06:27:46 AM
4 votes:
Look, I get that people on both sides of this are pissed, and that's fine, but picking on the kid at the drive-thru is just dickish.

Those people slinging the chicken don't have any say in corporate policy or the spending of corporate profits. They just show up, punch in, do what the farking manager tells them, punch out, and go home.

Showing your disapproval of a business by not giving them your patronage or you money is fine. Hell, it's the American way. But there's no need to pick on someone who isn't allowed to retaliate because they'd lose their job.

I know some people who won't buy Nike shoes because of the way the company treats their workers. But they don't go to a mall and punch the kid working the register at Foot Locker.

Everybody please grow the fark up.
2012-08-02 11:39:16 PM
4 votes:
Chik-fil-A: run by hateful asshats.

This dude: douuuuuuuuuche, and deserved to be fired, not for political views, but for displaying incredibly poor self control and boorishness in a format in which he could easily be connected to his place of work. This kind of person behaves inappropriately towards subordinates, and a sensible business should want no part of him.

I hope this is simple enough for all "sides" to understand.

/I guarantee you this dick treats waitstaff poorly
//and he's eaten spit a LOT
2012-08-02 11:26:33 PM
4 votes:

gimmegimme: Lsherm: GAT_00: Lsherm: They're going to suck at all aspects of it if you don't train them.

Oh please, tell me more about how you educate the lower classes on how to respect their betters, and how you civilize the untamed.

Who said anything about lower classes? I'm talking about teenagers at their first job.

I'm going to go ahead and guess you didn't work as a teenager. You give off that vibe.

He seems like he didn't work as a teenager because he doesn't want to treat fast food workers as subhumans?


That's a little off-base. The point is that it is wise to train employees to be polite...not to "respect their betters." To respect the customer.

Training a kid to deal with customers isn't "civilizing the untamed," it's common sense.
2012-08-02 11:12:00 PM
4 votes:
No matter what side of the debate you're on, there's a right way and a wrong way to get one's point across.

This was the wrong way.
2012-08-02 09:28:21 PM
4 votes:

gimmegimme: But where do we draw the line?


WE don't draw the line anywhere.

Each company draws their own lines. Imagine if I show up to your house with a guy named Tony and tell you the government has decreed he must work for you and you must pay him and you can't fire him. And Tony smokes like a chimney in your living room, shiats up your toilet, and does his job poorly. You'd be upset about that, wouldn't you. It's not OUR place to tell people who to hire, it's THEIR place to hire the right people.


This guy is supposed to be an executive. He goes out of his way to be a dick to some innocent lady in a drive though window. If I was a company, his ass would be gone. Anyone can be trained up to do an executive's job fairly quickly. Most of it is stuff we already know how to do, the rest is basic accounting. The tough part is GETTING the job when there's an opening.

Since the positions are in demand, and everyone at your company is potentially qualified to do the job with a modicum of training, you can safely let this ass go. And while he's a meme, any company that touches his will draw fire from the public, so it's only good sense to stay away from him for the time being.

Now if he wasn't easily replaceable, he wouldn't have been let go so quickly. If he had been tactful, he wouldn't have posted the video on youtube. If you seek the limelight, remember that it's very hot and can easily burn you.
2012-08-02 09:01:57 PM
4 votes:
FTA: "Vogel said the company has no stance on the gay marriage issue but has always hade a "good relationship" with Chick-fil-A. He said the company will consider contacting the employee Smith ambushed in an attempt to mend fences."

Jesus Christ. Welcome to America, in which there is no difference between you at work and you at home. While I do NOT like what this guy did at all, I take great exception to the idea that we are representatives of Dear Company at all times. It's not like the guy said, "Hello, I'm Jerk McJerkface, here on behalf of Vante, a provider of medical manufacturing solutions..."
2012-08-02 08:33:36 PM
4 votes:
Does this douchebag have "Gym in 26 minutes" written all over his punchable face or what?

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2012-08-02 08:17:56 PM
4 votes:
"I don't know how you live with yourself and work here," Smith says to the employee, before calling himself "totally heterosexual" and saying there's "not a gay in me" and "I just can't stand the hate." He also says he's "I'm a nice guy, by the way."

Way to pick your battles, George Costanza.
2012-08-02 08:08:44 PM
4 votes:
Good, fark him.
2012-08-03 09:08:48 AM
3 votes:
This Chick-Fil-A thing is really getting out of hand.

On the one side, you've got idealistic morons shouting that everyone who works for Chick-Fil-A is guilty by association of what the central office's politics are, never stopping to realize that Chick-Fil-A is a franchise company and that almost all of the stores are run by independent operators who may or may not share those politics. These same morons are also claiming that an entire corporation is anti-gay when, in fact, there is no evidence to suggest that even a majority of the corporation's workers feel that way. It's a parts of the whole fallacy.

On the other side, you've got idealistic morons shouting that by boycotting Chick-Fil-A because you don't agree with their politics, you're somehow trying to censor or suppress Dan Cathy's first amendment rights and, by extension, persecuting Christians. Which is, of course, a straw man argument chased with a slippery slope argument.

Neither side actually has a position - they both are just latching on to a controversy and pinning their pre-existing point of view to it. And those on the extremes are also using the situation to get media attention or, like this asshat, to be douchebags so they can get clicks on Youtube.

Why doesn't everybody just shut up and either continue eating at Chick-Fil-A, or don't? It's not like there's a lack of choices available to those who disagree with the company's executive politics. It's also not like Chick-Fil-A sold out its values and is suddenly any different than it was a few weeks ago.
2012-08-03 09:08:30 AM
3 votes:

Pocket Ninja: I'm having a really hard time understanding any thought process by which he imagined himself not looking like a complete asshole in this video.


I'm pretty sure that he was banking on getting some sort of an argumentative response the first time he said "anti-gay" or "hate group" or whatever his opening line was.

He probably laid awake all night thinking up witty and thought provoking responses, with just a touch of thinly veiled disgust, to every aggressive response that the chicken jockey could feasibly dish out. In every one of these fantasy scenarios, his final cutting retort would simultaneously devastate and educate every homophobe within a three block radius in a pyroclastic flood of superheated righteousness and smug. Of course, his sense of purpose would shield him from the wave like a Kevlar cloak. He assumed that uploading the video would make him some kind of folk hero and everyone would fight over which town would get to hold his parade.

When the poor little girl was nice to him, his entire plan fell apart. Then the retard put it on Youtube anyway because he'd gone to all the trouble, and besides, what's the worst that could come out of it?
2012-08-03 08:21:09 AM
3 votes:

heavymetal: I just wonder if the people defending "Chick-Fil-A" will notice the irony and finally realize that freedom of speech is not a shield of protection from the court of public opinion when you are an asshat or biggot. Maybe a new age of dialog, understanding, and compromise will happen.

Naw, this will probably be spread by Rush, O'Reilly, Hannity, and the rest of the right's talking heads as typical liberals trying to oppress conservatives. There will also be no mention of the consequences the guy faced or their hypocrisy in attacking him while defending the CEO of Chick-Fil-A.



The guy from CFA expressed an opinion. He never stated he hates gays, just that he doesn't agree with gay marriage. This butt plug verbally assaulted a teen who had nothing whatsoever to do with any of it. If you can't see the difference, well, there's your problem.
2012-08-03 08:07:31 AM
3 votes:

Gothnet: 1. This guy is a dickbag. It's true.

2. Sorry to all you folks who think that it's "Just a Job" and the girl shouldn't feel bad because she doesn't set corporate policy, but you're utterly, utterly wrong.

She abides by it and she supports it by working there, as do all employees. You don't (or shouldn't) work for a company you have an ethical problem with, if you continue working there you're making the world worse through your actions.


Because clearly there is a surge of new job openings that enables the average teenager to hand select a company whose CEP espouses nothing but the truest and tolerant of creeds.

Imagination Land sounds fun.
2012-08-03 06:42:53 AM
3 votes:
So first of all this guy, a CFO thinks that wasting a bunch of gas while waiting in line in order to cost the company money (price of a cup, lid, and straw) by ordering a free water is accomplishing something? Maybe if he did it a thousand times a day for a week he'd cost the company something in the order of $17.00. Great farking plan! With wits like that I'm sure he was a great CFO and they'll regret letting him go.

Secondly I wish I could have seen the look on his face when he realized this didn't work out quite the way he thought it would. I'll bet he got up this morning fully expecting to read a Huff-Po piece about a video they found of some brave guy standing to the hate mongers at chick-fil-a and gays everywhere rejoiced. Instead he's going to have to try and find another high paying job with a company that's never heard of the internet. He sure showed them.
2012-08-02 11:33:18 PM
3 votes:
Typical CEO. Sees a problem and blames the person at the bottom of the totem pole.
2012-08-02 09:48:56 PM
3 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: She is cute. And a ginger. And she handled herself well.

Hopefully Mr. Smith will one day find himself asking her if she wants fries with her meal. He could use a solid dose of humility.


I've noted in other threads that CFA's are extremely clean and their service is, bar none, the best in the fast food business. So I chuckled a bit when she wished him a nice day even while he was yelling at her. It's clearly part of the training, and she applied it well.

And fark this douchebag - yelling at a clerk for corporate policy is stupid, and a worthless gesture. Boycotts? Sure. Hollering at the help? It's like biatching at a slave for slavery.
2012-08-02 09:29:15 PM
3 votes:
He was the company's chief financial officer, not chief exec.

Bet his underlings are happy he's gone.
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2012-08-02 08:40:06 PM
3 votes:
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him."

This Smith twatwaffle fails in all regards.
2012-08-02 08:25:47 PM
3 votes:
Good. The kid at the window doesn't set company policy.
2012-08-03 09:25:58 AM
2 votes:
I wondered what became of him when McDonalds dropped that ad campaign.

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Tucson executive learns valuable lesson -- when douchebag gets too full of itself, it gets tossed.
2012-08-03 08:24:15 AM
2 votes:
What the hell is wrong with people? You know who else doesn't believe in gay marriage? The f'ing President of the United States. Yes, he's currently pandering for votes. But he's already said what he believes. Why don't the gays make out in front of the White House?
2012-08-03 08:19:52 AM
2 votes:
Ya know, the CFA near my house was always busy as it is, now it's stupid busy and takes more than 5 minutes to get a spicy chicken sammich. This whole hubbub is annoying. I don't support nor boycott places because of anything: Either I like their services or I don't. CFA's Spicy chicken sammich is not as spicy as Wendy's, but it has a superior taste, and the staff is unbelievably kind and considerate. Now, the Wendy's in my area aren't no slouch either (except for the one by the highway), but no one can touch CFA's customer service.

So, everyone, get over your petty squabbling so I can go back to enjoying CFA when I want it and not have to wait in lines around the farking city.
2012-08-03 07:42:29 AM
2 votes:

Thunderpipes: Point of the story is.... this is how you leftists all are. You are hateful and mean. Look at the way you protest v the Tea Party or the Chick-Fil-A supporters. Violence and mayhem from the left, peaceful words from the right. You only believe in free speech if it is your speech.


0/10.

Good trolls use subtlety.
2012-08-03 07:29:07 AM
2 votes:

durbnpoisn: There are so many places where so many worse things are happening (to both gays and christians)


Gays can be Christian, the terms are not mutually exclusive.
2012-08-03 07:08:00 AM
2 votes:
I find it hilarious that he shot and posted it himself. After witnessing the glee he displayed in bullying the young lady, I imagine he assumed viewers would hail him as a hero. I doubt he even understands today just what went wrong with his brilliant plan.
2012-08-03 06:32:36 AM
2 votes:

Unoriginal_Username: gimmegimme: doglover: gimmegimme: Jesus Christ. Welcome to America, in which there is no difference between you at work and you at home. While I do NOT like what this guy did at all, I take great exception to the idea that we are representatives of Dear Company at all times

Actually, you're a representative of yourself at all times.

Anyone who would be this big of a jerk and put it on video online rather than burying it shamefacedly and apologizing the next day deserves to lose not only their job, but any respect they've garnered.

This wasn't a bit, this wasn't Borat, this was honest to goodness hate.

Not only should this guy lose his job, he should be unable to get a new one with any respectable company for a few years because he's clearly a dickface. It doesn't matter if he can do the job, nobody should want to work with him.

As I said, I agree that this guy is an asshole. But where do we draw the line? Should this guy be able to have a job?

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What about this woman?

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What about this gasbag drug addict?

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Where should the line be? Who should be disallowed from having a job based upon what they say on their own time? (Yes, I admit Limbaugh was talking shiat at work, but that makes it worse.)



There's a huge difference between peaceful protesters holding signs at a rally and a self-righteous dirtbag recording himself screaming at an employee so he can upload the video to You Tube.
2012-08-02 10:37:09 PM
2 votes:

Lsherm: GAT_00: Lsherm: I've noted in other threads that CFA's are extremely clean and their service is, bar none, the best in the fast food business.

They get fired if they don't respond with 'my pleasure' if you thank them.

Well then that's training that works, isn't it? It sure beats hitting the local Wendy's and being greeted with "Wachoo want?" Or my absolute favorite (since I'm in the South): "Yeah?" That's how some employees greet you. Seems to me a little customer service training isn't outside the bounds in a fast food environment. After all, you'd be pretty pissed if the customer service line for your computer treated you the same way the guy at KFC does.


I think you've confused hospitality with ridiculously over the top rules.
2012-08-02 10:32:25 PM
2 votes:

GAT_00: Lsherm: I've noted in other threads that CFA's are extremely clean and their service is, bar none, the best in the fast food business.

They get fired if they don't respond with 'my pleasure' if you thank them.


Well then that's training that works, isn't it? It sure beats hitting the local Wendy's and being greeted with "Wachoo want?" Or my absolute favorite (since I'm in the South): "Yeah?" That's how some employees greet you. Seems to me a little customer service training isn't outside the bounds in a fast food environment. After all, you'd be pretty pissed if the customer service line for your computer treated you the same way the guy at KFC does.
2012-08-02 09:47:49 PM
2 votes:

gimmegimme: , I just think that you sound too gung-ho in favor of corporations uber alles.


I'm not in favor of corporations as such.

I'm in favor of common farking sense. Mob mentality, knee jerk reactions, wasteful lawsuits,and general dickishness appall me.

This guy brought a very weak artistic hand to the table and played it very poorly and then posted it on youtube like a baboon waving his ass in air on the Serengeti.

Now if Sacha Baron Cohen had done this same bit, we'd all, including the woman at the table, be laughing our ASSES off because he's a seasoned performer and his offensive behavior is intentional and planed with entertainment value in mind. This dick just wanted to yell at someone.

If he was a comic or musician, he probably wouldn't even have been fired. As it was, he was an executive at a company run by people who've actually read Dale Carnegie's books.
2012-08-02 09:17:41 PM
2 votes:

gimmegimme: Jesus Christ. Welcome to America, in which there is no difference between you at work and you at home. While I do NOT like what this guy did at all, I take great exception to the idea that we are representatives of Dear Company at all times. It's not like the guy said, "Hello, I'm Jerk McJerkface, here on behalf of Vante, a provider of medical manufacturing solutions..."


He's the CEO and those contracts usually have some type of morality/don't embarrass the company clause - he *clearly* embarrassed the company when he posted the video and I am betting the legal department and HR were happy to point out how he screwed himself over.
2012-08-02 09:03:10 PM
2 votes:
He was as deliberately hateful as the assholes who went out of their way to buy stuff at that place just to hurt gay people. Farking hypocrite.

No sympathy for him...he got what he deserved.
2012-08-02 08:42:53 PM
2 votes:
Has anyone mentioned this guy is an absolute asshole yet?

/because he's an absolute asshole
2012-08-02 08:33:08 PM
2 votes:

Pocket Ninja: I'm wondering how much time was spent by various stores preparing their employees for how to deal with situations like this.


Next to none.
2012-08-02 08:31:22 PM
2 votes:

pisceandreamer: Once again proving that Fark needs an Arizona tag.


It would be fitting to have a Fark tag featuring cactus to represent such a prick.
2012-08-02 08:18:13 PM
2 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: I cannot f*cking STAND people who biatch at cashiers, tellers, waiters, etc because of a policy decided by someone else., a thousand miles away, and a million miles up the pay scale.

I would have fired his ass, too.


This. Add to it that 85-90% of all Chick-fil-A restaurants are franchises (compared to McDonald's 65-70%). All franchisees can do is distance themselves as best they can from the CEO and send angry missives up the pipeline.

I hope this man enjoys the consequences of his free speech.
2012-08-04 01:14:17 AM
1 votes:

snarfyboy: Terrapin Bound: I see. So, this one leftist group gets accreditation rights over all the other hate groups? Who made that bargain?

Sigh. If you wish to play semantics, that's fine, but even on the simplistic checker board of the internet, that's pretty much a means of saying, "I got nothing''

While you play games with the word "accreditation" that some huffpost journalist misused in a pretty bad editorial, you do understand that any organization can certify or designate something right? Of course, it only means anything within their organization. But if their organization is respected, well, people tend to pay attention.

The SPLC is a highly respected organization. They do not arbitrarily make their distinctions. There is a reason for that. If you figure they are just lefty loonies, well, that tells me more about you then it does them.

But then again, you're probably just trolling.


The SPLC is a bunch of bed wetting Nancys that consider any organization politically right of Mao Zedong certified hate groups. Who gives a shiat what they have to say about anything. Simply believing that immigration laws that are already on the books should be enforced is enough for them to certify a group as a hate group. Basically any group that isn't actively fellating a protected class or minority is a hate group. If this post represented a group said group would now be "certified hateful". Fark them and their waste of time list of people they disagree with.
2012-08-03 03:23:38 PM
1 votes:

Flakeloaf: badaboom: Thirty-one U.S. state constitutional amendments banning legal recognition of same-sex unions have been adopted

31/50. 62% of US States...ie the government BAN same sex marriage.


Because the distribution of Americans across all states is perfectly equal.


Going up to some random Chick Fil A employee to complain about what the CEO says is the same as going up to some random citizen in any of these states and telling them how horrible they are for living there. And all Cathy did was express an opinion. There is no evidence that Chick Fil A discriminates. These states BAN it. Can the discrimination be any clearer?
2012-08-03 03:02:39 PM
1 votes:
Thirty-one U.S. state constitutional amendments banning legal recognition of same-sex unions have been adopted

31/50. 62% of US States...ie the government BAN same sex marriage.

Yet everyone is in a huff about a CEO who says he believes marriage is between a man and a woman. And to my knowledge no evidence that Chick Fil A has ever discriminated against anyone.
2012-08-03 02:58:59 PM
1 votes:

ciberido: mbillips: I was trying to make it easy by presenting the data in an easy-to-read format. I've already looked up the numbers elsewhere, and they're correct. Equality Matters says that those pro-marriage organizations are anti-gay, but if you look up their mission statements and where they spend their money, it seems they're concerned about divorce and kids growing up without two parents when they talk about the "decline of traditional marriage." Read this: there's no mention of "gay" or "homosexual" ANYWHERE in a long interview about what the Marriage & Family Legacy Fund does. And seriously, Equality Matters is saying you can't give money to the Fellowship of Christian Athletes without supporting homophobic hate? Really?

So... your point is it's really only $1 million dollars to anti-gay groups? Not $5 million? That's your argument?

I mean, sure, it's good to get the numbers right and avoid exaggeration, but .... ok.


$20,000 to anti-gay groups. Not $5 million. That makes a difference to me, because you can't boycott everybody. I grew up around Dan Cathy's kind of Christian. If he's 99 percent doing the right thing, and 1 percent asshole, I figure that's pretty damn good.
2012-08-03 02:53:10 PM
1 votes:

Lorelle: He was as deliberately hateful as the assholes who went out of their way to buy stuff at that place just to hurt gay people. Farking hypocrite.

No sympathy for him...he got what he deserved.


I'm trying to avoid tying my brain into a knot figuring out how someone buying a chicken sandwich from a private company that has a CEO who disapproves of same-sex marriage actually "hurts" gay people. Does that mean that the people who show up to the Kiss-In are trying to hurt straight people? Or are they just doing what they are allowed to do in order to express their opinion?

As for Smith, screw 'em, and thank goodness for At Will Employment agreements.
2012-08-03 12:19:19 PM
1 votes:
So could somebody fill me in on the names of the supposed Hate Groups that are sponsored by CFA? Unless they've gone really radical in the past few years, I don't really see how Focus on the Family qualifies. Or is this just a case of people repeating the declarations of a few TV/radio loud mouths?
2012-08-03 12:12:29 PM
1 votes:
Guy was CFO not E

Chick-fil-a doesn't have a corporate stance on homosexuality but the CEO does have one on traditional marriage and supports legislation that will continue to support it.

If you read his comments he didn't say much more than he supports a biblical and traditional definition of marriage and that he was still married to his first wife, then everyone blew a gasket.
2012-08-03 11:56:45 AM
1 votes:
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No need for protests against chick-a-fila. If the issue is hate, why not protest the hate groups themselves? Oh right, we already accept that we disagree with the hate groups... but somehow we can't accept that we disagree with those of us who might support them?

/always hot.
2012-08-03 11:29:03 AM
1 votes:

Lumpmoose: you're going against the American Psychological Association


They really only reversed their position because gays couldn't handle the stigma as well as people with down's can (that's kind of telling). The vote to pass the change didn't put opponents of the measure into a minuscule minority as you probably imagine in your fantasy world. Considering the fact that the APA members faced harassment and pressure from protesters to vote in favor of gays, it's likely that a majority still think homosexuality is a mental illness. As it stood, roughly 40% opposed the measure despite harassment. You might call the reversal of a scientific position due to widespread protest scientifically valid, but I don't. But go ahead and keep up that delusional thinking if it gets you through the day.
2012-08-03 11:14:44 AM
1 votes:

fluffy2097: mbillips: fluffy2097: mbillips: I was trying to make it easy by presenting the data in an easy-to-read format.

Your first link directly contradicts your point, saying that they donated 2 million dollars on hate groups according to their tax forms.

Your second link is an interview that mentions nothing about homosexuality at all.

/you should try actually reading your sources.


Actually, you might benefit from actually reading the sources. The first link shows where the money went. I disagree with the source that those are hate groups. The second link backs my opinion because it shows that the largest donation went to a "hate group" that doesn't seem to give a crap about gays or gay marriage. If you really are curious, you can get the IRS form that the Equality Matters "hate group" release was based on, and look up more info about the groups listed as hate groups. I'm not going to do it for you; I'm satisfied that they're not.

I did neglect to mention $12,500 given to Focus on the Family and $5,000 to the Eagle Forum, which are anti-gay wingnut organizations. But my point is, out of the $2 million supposedly given to "hate groups," only $19,500, less than 1 percent, went to actual "hate groups." Those other organizations are mainstream charities that do good work, even if (like Chick-Fil-A) they have wrong opinions about gays.

/I put "hate groups" in quotes because even the Family Research Council doesn't spend ALL of its time hating; they actually are in favor of a few things that aren't awful (religious liberty and strong families), even if they promote them in awful ways. The Klan is a hate group.
2012-08-03 10:46:58 AM
1 votes:

The Homer Tax: senseofmea: Why is it if someone disagrees with gay marriage it's automatically considered hate? Too many people are too narrow minded.

When you think that someone you don't like deserves fewer rights than you, I would say you hate them. What would you call it?

"Look, all I'm saying is thy homosexuals are second-class citizens whose unions shouldn't have equal protection under the law to that of heterosexual unions...but it's not like I *hate* them or anythIng."


Some people need to look up the word hate. Disagreeing does not equal hate.
2012-08-03 10:33:18 AM
1 votes:

mbillips: Just want to point out a few things:

1. Dan Cathy is not the CEO of Chick-Fil-A. His dad is chairman and CEO. Dan is the company's president and COO, which means he runs things, but can be overruled by Truett.

2. Chick-Fil-A's charitable foundation, the Winshare Foundation, gives token amounts to anti-gay "hate" groups ($1,000 each in 2010 to the pray-the-gay-away Exodus International and the generally hateful Family Research Council). They give hundreds of thousands of dollars each year to pro-hetero-marriage charities that spend the money on marriage counseling and couples retreats, and spend most of their budget on their own camps and foster homes. Chick-Fil-A also spends a lot of money on college scholarships for its young employees.

3. Chick-Fil-A is headquartered in Georgia, where MANY companies are run by homophobic douchebags, and they are way more progressive than most (f'rinstance, they have a policy of not discriminating against gays in hiring, which is not requred by state law in Georgia).

So, while Dan Cathy is a brainless douche, Chick-Fil-A on balance is not such a bad actor, considering.

/When you're a liberal in the South, you pick your enemies carefully, or you wind up hating just about everybody.
//That asshole deserved to be fired. Not so much for yelling at a fast-food employee for no good reason, but for being proud of it and posting it on Youtube.


Before you start an argument, make sure your only and primary source isn't an opinion blog worthy of LiveJournal.

/You cannot cite opinion pieces (BLOGS) as evidence. Present me with a financial breakdown of who they donated to if you want me to believe you shiat.
2012-08-03 10:30:12 AM
1 votes:

NightOwl2255: Thunderpipes: The city of Boston, I believe said they would deny Chick-Fil-A permits because of the CEO's statement. That is illegal, and simply bad. That goes beyond griping and is real discrimination. You can't do that. Liberals want anyone they disagree with silenced and punished. That goes against every free speech principle there is.

As usual, you are wrong. Companies don't enjoy the rights bestowed on the individual by the Bill of Rights. Is the Mayor of Boston trying to prevent Dan Cathy from making anti-gay statements? No? Didn't think so.


The Supreme Court disagrees with you. In its view, corporations are simply groups of persons, and enjoy many of the rights accorded to individual persons.

There's another way to look at it. Boston's mayor and Chicago's alderman don't really want to punish Chick-Fil-A for its opinion; as an artificial legal construct, a corporation lacks the sentience required to form an opinion. They want to punish Dan Cathy for his opinion.
2012-08-03 10:28:07 AM
1 votes:
Just want to point out a few things:

1. Dan Cathy is not the CEO of Chick-Fil-A. His dad is chairman and CEO. Dan is the company's president and COO, which means he runs things, but can be overruled by Truett.

2. Chick-Fil-A's charitable foundation, the Winshare Foundation, gives token amounts to anti-gay "hate" groups ($1,000 each in 2010 to the pray-the-gay-away Exodus International and the generally hateful Family Research Council). They give hundreds of thousands of dollars each year to pro-hetero-marriage charities that spend the money on marriage counseling and couples retreats, and spend most of their budget on their own camps and foster homes. Chick-Fil-A also spends a lot of money on college scholarships for its young employees.

3. Chick-Fil-A is headquartered in Georgia, where MANY companies are run by homophobic douchebags, and they are way more progressive than most (f'rinstance, they have a policy of not discriminating against gays in hiring, which is not requred by state law in Georgia).

So, while Dan Cathy is a brainless douche, Chick-Fil-A on balance is not such a bad actor, considering.

/When you're a liberal in the South, you pick your enemies carefully, or you wind up hating just about everybody.
//That asshole deserved to be fired. Not so much for yelling at a fast-food employee for no good reason, but for being proud of it and posting it on Youtube.
2012-08-03 10:25:31 AM
1 votes:

you have pee hands: TOSViolation: I'd like to hear your views on smokers' rights. Do you have a blog I can subscribe to?

Please provide a reasonable argument that (1) homosexual marriages affect heterosexual marriages in any way and (2) sexual orientation is a choice and your analogy might be something other than terrible.

/you's trollin


The ban on gay marriage is more about protecting homosexuals from committing themselves to their own sinfulness than it is about protecting other marriages. Additionally, while sexual orientation may not be a choice, acting upon one's orientation is. We don't say about alcoholics that it's cruel to keep them from drinking because they're just wired that way.
2012-08-03 10:18:49 AM
1 votes:

NightOwl2255: As usual, you are wrong. Companies don't enjoy the rights bestowed on the individual by the Bill of Rights. Is the Mayor of Boston trying to prevent Dan Cathy from making anti-gay statements? No? Didn't think so.


This is a specious argument. If I were in a position as a government representative to damage your company economically for that post, that doesn't constitute an infringement? You asked "Is the Mayor of Boston trying to prevent Dan Cathy from making anti-gay statements?" The answer, of course, is yes. He is saying that Dan Cathy will pay economically for airing a point of view that the mayor doesn't agree with. The intent is to apply a prior restraint upon further statements.

I won't go along with government officials abusing the constitutional rights of citizens, just because I agree with the mayor on gay marriage.
2012-08-03 10:17:09 AM
1 votes:

Oldiron_79: Thunderpipes: People here, of course, all miss the real argument.

The city of Boston, I believe said they would deny Chick-Fil-A permits because of the CEO's statement. That is illegal, and simply bad. That goes beyond griping and is real discrimination. You can't do that. Liberals want anyone they disagree with silenced and punished. That goes against every free speech principle there is.
.

It is illegal and a violation of federal civil rights laws for the Gauleiter of Boston to deny a legal and legitimate business to operate on basis of the owners constitutionally protected free speech and/or religious beliefs. He can't legally do it any more than the mayor of Murfreesboro could legally block the mosque


Exactly. This is what really started all this, Boston said they would deny based upon CEO statements. Liberals are okay with this. That is wrong.
2012-08-03 10:14:53 AM
1 votes:

Lumpmoose: TOSViolation: You know Sandusky is gay, right? The gay community should be supporting him. He can't help that he's sexually attracted to young boys. He was just born that way. He shouldn't be held accountable for the CHOICES he made to ACT ON his urges.

Sandusky may have been born that way but his acts were still illegal because his victims couldn't consent. It was his responsibility to abstain, get help, chemically castrate himself, or do whatever else was necessary to keep his urges in check.


So you DO feel that homosexuals should abstain from their immoral conduct.
2012-08-03 10:13:10 AM
1 votes:

birchman: senseofmea: Why is it if someone disagrees with gay marriage it's automatically considered hate? Too many people are too narrow minded.

Can you please explain to this narrow-minded person why you think it's OK to discriminate against them? Difficulty: without imposing your religious beliefs on other people, remember they have freedom of religion too.


He's not arguing about whether it's OK. He's arguing that opposition to gay marriage is not necessarily motivated by hate.
2012-08-03 10:08:29 AM
1 votes:
You know Sandusky is gay, right? The gay community should be supporting him. He can't help that he's sexually attracted to young boys. He was just born that way. He shouldn't be held accountable for the CHOICES he made to ACT ON his urges.
2012-08-03 09:58:04 AM
1 votes:
GAT_00: Good. The kid at the window doesn't set company policy.

Pretty much THIS
2012-08-03 09:51:38 AM
1 votes:
Let me show you how full of love I am by hatefully yelling at a innocent person who in no way deserves my vile attitude! I think this guy needs to be at the kiss in, and given a hug.
2012-08-03 09:49:21 AM
1 votes:
Why is it if someone disagrees with gay marriage it's automatically considered hate? Too many people are too narrow minded.
2012-08-03 09:47:39 AM
1 votes:

birchman: Shouldn't this thread be full of right-wingers falsely claiming that this guy's free speech has been violated? I bet it would if this guy was berating a JC Penny employee...funny how that works.


It looks like he got to speak his mind freely.

That's part of a free country. Sometimes when you exercise your freedoms, somebody else exercises theirs. When you are at the executive level, you have to be real careful what kind of publicity you give yourself. Employment is not something you are entitled to.
2012-08-03 09:44:32 AM
1 votes:

qualtrough: The guy's a douche bag, big time, but I wonder how many of you would be cutting the employee some slack if the restaurant she worked for refused to serve blacks. Still OK to work there then?


Are you implying that the restaurant she works for refuses to serve homosexuals and people think that's okay?
2012-08-03 09:44:12 AM
1 votes:
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Not posted yet? Really?
2012-08-03 09:31:42 AM
1 votes:
It was probably easier for her to maintain professionalism at this stage than when the CFA controversy first broke. He probably thought he was being clever and original, when the reality is that he was probably the ninth guy that week to try that same stunt, only he filmed it. Probably old hat to the employees at this point.
2012-08-03 09:17:38 AM
1 votes:
The first thing I thought when I started the video was "This guy is totally heterosexual and I'll bet he doesn't have a gay in him".



/Imagine my surprise
2012-08-03 09:11:30 AM
1 votes:

farkityfarker: I think it's fairly safe to say that Chick-Fil-A has the worst CEO in corporate history.


A challenger appears:

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2012-08-03 09:02:47 AM
1 votes:
Yeah, nothing but a dick move. I wont spend my money at Chick-fil-A, because I'm not willing to hand my money directly to Focus on the Family. But other than that, I wish them all the luck in the world. I will disagree with, and personally vote counter to, the position they hold. But overall they seem like a decent company, and treat their employees fairly well. And I'm pretty sure they're not Hitler. I'm not sure why anyone thinks this particular issue needed to go anywhere beyond 'Not with my money'. It seems like a symptom of the oppositional vilification that makes up most of American politics now.
2012-08-03 08:54:24 AM
1 votes:
The real victims in this are the cows to be slaughtered to support the counter-counter protests.
2012-08-03 08:46:36 AM
1 votes:

gunga galunga: TheOriginalEd: [s10.postimage.org image 180x180]

Sadly, you might be right. If dickbag behavior like what the guy in TFA did continues, there's going to be a backlash to the backlash.

/also thinks the planned Chik-fil-A "kiss-in" planned for today is counterproductive and stupid


All CFA has to do is keep quiet. The dickbags will hang themselves if they don't watch it. That's good because I can't think of too many uses for dickbags other than hanging.

Hadn't heard of the kiss in. Looked it up - I hope the turn out is really good. Maybe then homosexuals will realize that a vast majority aren't nearly as worried about them as they are themselves.
2012-08-03 08:39:14 AM
1 votes:

DmGdDawg: Dr. Martin Luther King also suffered persecution from the establishment when he confronted the unjust social order of his day. Sometimes he even went to JAIL for civil disobedience. People called him names and thought he was a rabble rouser. Today we look at him as a hero.

Of course, he wasn't just a big douche like this guy, so the comparison maybe isn't 100%.


I agree. I'd also add that the way protests are conducted seem to have a fairly significant effect on their success. Martin Luther King protested peacefully and respectfully, which added power to his message. This Adam Smith person behaved like a jerk. In my opinion, that sort of behavior actually works against whatever the cause is. He can feel all smug about supporting gay causes, but by coming across as hate-filled himself, he actually did more harm than good.

As vile as they are, I believe the Westboro Baptist Church crowd is doing more to advance gay rights than most pro-gay groups. Most reasonable people get fed up with their antics and might eventually reevaluate their own beliefs.
2012-08-03 08:36:44 AM
1 votes:
In the thread, people who support driving CFA out of business, costing the employees their jobs, yet get angry if one of their fellow anti-CFA'ers makes a cashier mildly uncomfortable.
2012-08-03 08:26:19 AM
1 votes:

Gothnet: She abides by it and she supports it by working there, as do all employees. You don't (or shouldn't) work for a company you have an ethical problem with, if you continue working there you're making the world worse through your actions


You hairy nutsack. Do you realize how few jobs are out there? Do you have a farking clue? Now you're going to whittle down your choices by company views on political subjects? I'll work for the Charlie Manson knife factory if it feeds my family. I'll cut the holes in the sheets at the David Dukes Klan Fashions store.
2012-08-03 08:14:01 AM
1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: I will also say that she handled herself very well in that exchange, and I'm wondering how much time was spent by various stores preparing their employees for how to deal with situations like this.


I used to work these kinds of jobs, and the answer is : Very little. Chances are she has been dealing with people for the last week or two coming in and reacting. It's very likely that the store owner (the franchisee) and his senior management have worked very hard to cultivate a few employees who can manage this kind of onslaught. It's very hard to know what to do, and the biggest threat to CFA is not from customers, but from alternate franchises (Roy Rodgers, Arby's, Popeye's) coming around going "Why work for them when you can work for me, a bigger regional/national brand"

If you lose 25% of your stores to your competition because you were a retarded douchemonkey ... well ... you deserve it.
2012-08-03 08:07:21 AM
1 votes:
Way to make yourself unemployable a whopping 5 years after graduation, asshat.

In other news, you cannot have difference of opinions with the left.

/celebrate diversity
//except when it disagrees with our opinion
///in which case, shout it down, accost it, molest it and assault it until it dare not rear its head
2012-08-03 08:02:31 AM
1 votes:

indylaw: Gothnet: 2. Sorry to all you folks who think that it's "Just a Job" and the girl shouldn't feel bad because she doesn't set corporate policy, but you're utterly, utterly wrong.

She abides by it and she supports it by working there, as do all employees. You don't (or shouldn't) work for a company you have an ethical problem with, if you continue working there you're making the world worse through your actions.

If you run a office supply wholesaler, is it your duty to ask your clients a whole list of political, religious and moral questions to make sure you're not supporting their agenda, or can you safely fill the order for 500 reams of paper without fear that some coont on the internet is going to judge you for making the world worse through your actions?


I'm pretty sure than no office supply wholesaler gives a shiat what gothnet thinks.
2012-08-03 07:59:03 AM
1 votes:
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2012-08-03 07:55:18 AM
1 votes:

indylaw: IamKaiserSoze!!!: He should be fired not for misrepresenting the company, but by showing such colossal bad judgement and abusive behavior that he would be a liability in the workplace.

He was/is a total tool regardless of his views.

also, when did fast food places start giving out free water without an order?

I think that's right, but if the company is going to fire its senior executive for shiatting on a Chick-fil-A wageslave, they're at least going to try to score some PR out of it by doing a public kindness for the teenager he verbally abused.

Additionally, you have to wonder as a director for the company whether it's screaming at a teenager for the beliefs of her boss's boss's franchisor and making a public spectacle of it one day, and getting arrested for some stupid behavior born out of his arrogance the next.

You also wonder whether he harasses his own employees as badly as he harasses someone else's... that's a lawsuit waiting to happen.


That cashier will probably get offered an internship at that guy's company when she gets close to graduation.
As for everyone going so far as to compare the kid to a Nazi brownshirt, do you remember what it was like having a crappy McJob as a teenager?

You're not researching each company's corporate philosophy. Your train of thought is closer to "Hey, it's only 10 minutes from my house and it pays $2 more an hour than the Taco Bell across the street. Plus, I get Sundays off, no matter what."
2012-08-03 07:52:41 AM
1 votes:

Gothnet: 2. Sorry to all you folks who think that it's "Just a Job" and the girl shouldn't feel bad because she doesn't set corporate policy, but you're utterly, utterly wrong.

She abides by it and she supports it by working there, as do all employees. You don't (or shouldn't) work for a company you have an ethical problem with, if you continue working there you're making the world worse through your actions.


If you run a office supply wholesaler, is it your duty to ask your clients a whole list of political, religious and moral questions to make sure you're not supporting their agenda, or can you safely fill the order for 500 reams of paper without fear that some coont on the internet is going to judge you for making the world worse through your actions?
2012-08-03 07:44:15 AM
1 votes:
Looks like we have a new photo to post in the dictionary next to the definition of "douchebag."

Yelling at a worker bee and then patting yourself on the back, on camera? Yeah, you're the man. What a guy. Hope you feel "purposeful" in the unemployment line.
2012-08-03 07:42:59 AM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: Point of the story is.... this is how you leftists all are. You are hateful and mean. Look at the way you protest v the Tea Party or the Chick-Fil-A supporters. Violence and mayhem from the left, peaceful words from the right. You only believe in free speech if it is your speech.


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2012-08-03 07:39:31 AM
1 votes:

jaybeezey: gimmegimme: Triumph: It probably never went through this guy's tiny brain that the person he was berating could potentially be gay. I feel really bad for the people working at CFA right now, just trying to earn a living while people spout off all this crap.

To be fair, if the person at the drive-thru were gay, they couldn't tell anyone at work or let anyone at CFA find out. The CFA stance on homosexuality is quite clear.

There is a gay chick that works at the CFA down the street from me, and I mean obviously gay.

No one seems to give a shiat. You may be over reacting.


She works there because they're paying her. That's very different from being a customer and paying them.
2012-08-03 07:37:11 AM
1 votes:

gimmegimme: Triumph: It probably never went through this guy's tiny brain that the person he was berating could potentially be gay. I feel really bad for the people working at CFA right now, just trying to earn a living while people spout off all this crap.

To be fair, if the person at the drive-thru were gay, they couldn't tell anyone at work or let anyone at CFA find out. The CFA stance on homosexuality is quite clear.


There is a gay chick that works at the CFA down the street from me, and I mean obviously gay.

No one seems to give a shiat. You may be over reacting.
2012-08-03 07:36:58 AM
1 votes:

pkellmey: farkityfarker: I think it's fairly safe to say that Chick-Fil-A has the worst CEO in corporate history.

You do realise that corporations goes back an awful long time, right?


And I can think of worse things that have been done to a company by it's CEO. Hell, I can even think of worse PR disasters committed by CEOs.

Just because I think Dan Cathy is a pathetic human being doesn't mean he's "zOMG WORST CEO EVAR!" Is the company still in business? Yeah? Well, I hate to say it, but there's definitely worse CEOs out there.
2012-08-03 07:27:52 AM
1 votes:
1 - "I wonder if they're doing a sit-in. I might just join them." Hey- dumbass, what if the sit-in is in DEFENSE of their anti-gay stance?

2 - This guy was SO THIRSTY that he endured a huge line at the drive-thru for his free cup of water, and he just so happened to record the event on his whatever-he-used-to-record-the-event-on. This is a guy who, he, himself, is so full of LOVE as to go out of his way to share his feelings with the nasty minimum wage employee at the window. What a guy.

3 - "Anti-gay breakfast sandwich always tastes better when it's full of hate." Seems to me that this dope has at least as much hate as he claims Chick-fil-A exhibits.

4 - Lastly, why is sexual preference even an issue? So, the CEO said something that everybody would have been in complete agreement with 50 years ago, only now we're more enlightened. In not changing their personal views I think they should be admired & respected, not ridiculed.

Mobs don't rule.
2012-08-03 07:22:48 AM
1 votes:

KrispyKritter: dooshbag made a mistake. we all have. this particular one is going to cost him greatly for years to come.


As someone on the executive level at his job, he should know better.
At that level, you are a representative of your company, whether you're on the clock or not.

Besides, in this day and age, it's smart not to post any pictures or videos of yourself online that you wouldn't want your boss to see. Because it will come back to them eventually.
2012-08-03 07:20:34 AM
1 votes:
Why would you film and post this yourself? This guy has a few screws loss and needs to be checked out.
2012-08-03 07:16:55 AM
1 votes:
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What an a&&hole.
2012-08-03 07:11:47 AM
1 votes:
Freedom of speech does have repercussions, Gen Y, X, Boomers.
2012-08-03 07:00:01 AM
1 votes:
dooshbag made a mistake. we all have. this particular one is going to cost him greatly for years to come.
2012-08-03 06:58:54 AM
1 votes:

stoli n coke: Look, I get that people on both sides of this are pissed, and that's fine, but picking on the kid at the drive-thru is just dickish.

Those people slinging the chicken don't have any say in corporate policy or the spending of corporate profits. They just show up, punch in, do what the farking manager tells them, punch out, and go home.

Showing your disapproval of a business by not giving them your patronage or you money is fine. Hell, it's the American way. But there's no need to pick on someone who isn't allowed to retaliate because they'd lose their job.

I know some people who won't buy Nike shoes because of the way the company treats their workers. But they don't go to a mall and punch the kid working the register at Foot Locker.

Everybody please grow the fark up.


1000% agreed. That young lady has zero control over CFA's rules and policies. She is paid to ask for your order, deliver it to you, take your money and tell you to have a nice day. That's it. CFA's employees are advised not to comment on or discuss CFA's anti-gay donations and viewpoints, so she wasn't going to say jack squat if she wanted to keep her job. Berating that woman was a waste of time and showed what a colossal asshat that guy was.
2012-08-03 06:58:05 AM
1 votes:

Lsherm: I'm going to go ahead and guess you didn't work as a teenager.


I've worked since I was 15. And my first job was in fast food.
2012-08-03 06:55:29 AM
1 votes:

FuryOfFirestorm: rynthetyn: gimmegimme: rynthetyn: Seriously, people need to not make low level flunkies the front liners in the culture wars. Having worked department store retail for too long, I can hardly force myself to say "Merry Christmas" anymore. We got boycotted by the same sort of idiots who are now going out of their way to buy Chick-Fil-A, and it would get us yelled at by those idiots who couldn't bring themselves to stop shopping but would decide to make their little culture war stand against the "War on Christmas" by yelling at employees. Regardless of how you feel on an issue, you're a moron to take it out on the people who are just trying to pay for college by selling you crap.

I don't believe your story at all. For the past two weeks, the right wing has been reminding us that boycotts and protests are a communist tactic undertaken by left-wing jerks who want to stifle free speech.

That's the thing I've been facepalming about the most with this Chick-Fil-A "free speech" stuff. The people who perfected the boycott for stupid political reasons are now acting all butthurt that the tables got turned on them.

...but...but...when gays boycott CFA, it's "oppressing Christians and businesses"! When the right-wing does it, it's "standing up for American values!"


No, when gays boycott Chick Fil A, it's people doing the same thing people have done to businesses since the beginning of commerce. They just want more attention.

When the right wing does it, it's just a bunch of fatasses stuffing their faces with fried chicken, trying to pretend they're the goddamn Tianenman Square protesters.

I don't have a dog in this hunt, but I don't want to eat there for a while just because I don't want something as stupid as where I eat lunch tied to some bullshiat political theatre.
2012-08-03 06:49:45 AM
1 votes:

rynthetyn: gimmegimme: rynthetyn: Seriously, people need to not make low level flunkies the front liners in the culture wars. Having worked department store retail for too long, I can hardly force myself to say "Merry Christmas" anymore. We got boycotted by the same sort of idiots who are now going out of their way to buy Chick-Fil-A, and it would get us yelled at by those idiots who couldn't bring themselves to stop shopping but would decide to make their little culture war stand against the "War on Christmas" by yelling at employees. Regardless of how you feel on an issue, you're a moron to take it out on the people who are just trying to pay for college by selling you crap.

I don't believe your story at all. For the past two weeks, the right wing has been reminding us that boycotts and protests are a communist tactic undertaken by left-wing jerks who want to stifle free speech.

That's the thing I've been facepalming about the most with this Chick-Fil-A "free speech" stuff. The people who perfected the boycott for stupid political reasons are now acting all butthurt that the tables got turned on them.


...but...but...when gays boycott CFA, it's "oppressing Christians and businesses"! When the right-wing does it, it's "standing up for American values!"
2012-08-03 06:46:08 AM
1 votes:
Chick-Fil-A, where the A is for ground-up Assholes
2012-08-03 06:26:32 AM
1 votes:
Invisible hand at work. For adam smith.
2012-08-03 06:26:18 AM
1 votes:

gimmegimme: doglover: gimmegimme: Jesus Christ. Welcome to America, in which there is no difference between you at work and you at home. While I do NOT like what this guy did at all, I take great exception to the idea that we are representatives of Dear Company at all times

Actually, you're a representative of yourself at all times.

Anyone who would be this big of a jerk and put it on video online rather than burying it shamefacedly and apologizing the next day deserves to lose not only their job, but any respect they've garnered.

This wasn't a bit, this wasn't Borat, this was honest to goodness hate.

Not only should this guy lose his job, he should be unable to get a new one with any respectable company for a few years because he's clearly a dickface. It doesn't matter if he can do the job, nobody should want to work with him.

As I said, I agree that this guy is an asshole. But where do we draw the line? Should this guy be able to have a job?

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What about this woman?

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What about this gasbag drug addict?

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Where should the line be? Who should be disallowed from having a job based upon what they say on their own time? (Yes, I admit Limbaugh was talking shiat at work, but that makes it worse.)


Those people are recording themselves screaming at a teenager in a fking drive-through and then posting said video on YouTube. So yeah, he deserves to loose his job and the protestors do not.
2012-08-03 06:25:02 AM
1 votes:
Guy was being a total douche nozzle to some poor cashier that spends eight hours talking to drive through customers. His former company specializes in medical catheter tips and machines that manufacture catheters and tubing. He can now experience the plight of being an unemployed YouTube celebrity bully.
2012-08-03 06:24:41 AM
1 votes:
It's a farking restaurant chain. Even if they hated gays from the very depths of their souls, there is only so much they can do. Nothing will be accomplished from praising or denouncing a chicken joint. There are so many places where so many worse things are happening (to both gays and christians), there are so many charities that could use the support of these christians and gay rights activists, instead of them biatching at each other over this stupid situation that will accomplish nothing.
2012-08-03 06:05:04 AM
1 votes:

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: I'd like to know what he seriously hoped to accomplish by being an asshole to a drive-thru employee.


A youtube video, evidently.
2012-08-03 02:31:46 AM
1 votes:

doglover: rynthetyn: The people who perfected the boycott

You mean the same people who boycotted the Beatles and violent video games?

THESE are the people who PERFECTED the boycott?


They've done a great job of getting their base to jump on to whatever cause they happening to be boycotting.
2012-08-03 01:43:26 AM
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rynthetyn: The people who perfected the boycott for stupid political reasons are now acting all butthurt that the tables got turned on them.


Yes, because they (the rubes) are f*cking stupid. That's we link to their boycotts and laugh at them. It wasn't a f*cking playbook to follow. This whole thing is stupid and I'm glad the guy got fired for being a douchebag. I wish that would happen a lot more.

These people (the rubes) are f*cking idiots who rally around what other people tell them to. You'll never change their minds. That group is set in their ways. The only hope is young people and educated independents who are trending HEAVILY to full equality for gays. It's just a slow process. Gotta let the old bastards die off. the stupid people will be with us forever. Thankfully, they do not represent the majority. However, they are legion and we will hear their roar.
2012-08-03 01:27:32 AM
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gimmegimme: rynthetyn: Seriously, people need to not make low level flunkies the front liners in the culture wars. Having worked department store retail for too long, I can hardly force myself to say "Merry Christmas" anymore. We got boycotted by the same sort of idiots who are now going out of their way to buy Chick-Fil-A, and it would get us yelled at by those idiots who couldn't bring themselves to stop shopping but would decide to make their little culture war stand against the "War on Christmas" by yelling at employees. Regardless of how you feel on an issue, you're a moron to take it out on the people who are just trying to pay for college by selling you crap.

I don't believe your story at all. For the past two weeks, the right wing has been reminding us that boycotts and protests are a communist tactic undertaken by left-wing jerks who want to stifle free speech.


That's the thing I've been facepalming about the most with this Chick-Fil-A "free speech" stuff. The people who perfected the boycott for stupid political reasons are now acting all butthurt that the tables got turned on them.
2012-08-03 12:43:35 AM
1 votes:
I think I'm gonna stick it to the man by verbally abusing some desi in a hyderabad call center, and then I'm going to post a video of it on youtube.

/what a moron
//and that cathy character is a moron too
2012-08-03 12:34:31 AM
1 votes:
i49.tinypic.com
2012-08-03 12:12:02 AM
1 votes:
Seriously, people need to not make low level flunkies the front liners in the culture wars. Having worked department store retail for too long, I can hardly force myself to say "Merry Christmas" anymore. We got boycotted by the same sort of idiots who are now going out of their way to buy Chick-Fil-A, and it would get us yelled at by those idiots who couldn't bring themselves to stop shopping but would decide to make their little culture war stand against the "War on Christmas" by yelling at employees. Regardless of how you feel on an issue, you're a moron to take it out on the people who are just trying to pay for college by selling you crap.
2012-08-02 11:57:24 PM
1 votes:
Why? Why the hell do you think it is in any way acceptable to berate a teenage DRIVE THROUGH clerk about the CEO's political beliefs?

This reminds me of that asshat who went into a BP mini mart in like, Clevalnd or something, after the Deepwater Horizon explosian and spilled fountain soda everywhere and yelled at the guy working the cash register.
2012-08-02 11:55:25 PM
1 votes:
What an asshat. Speech does have consequences, especially when you post a video of it YOURSELF. Embarrass yourself and show yourself to be an idiot with poor decision making skills, you shouldn't be too surprised when your employer kicks you in the ass to get rid of you. How the fark is ANYONE with a brain and common sense and decency not embarrassed by doing something like that? How? If you have a problem with the company, you don't take it up with the people at the bottom of the chain. That's just pure stupidity.
2012-08-02 11:25:13 PM
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Lsherm: gimmegimme: Lsherm: GAT_00: Lsherm: They're going to suck at all aspects of it if you don't train them.

Oh please, tell me more about how you educate the lower classes on how to respect their betters, and how you civilize the untamed.

Who said anything about lower classes? I'm talking about teenagers at their first job.

I'm going to go ahead and guess you didn't work as a teenager. You give off that vibe.

He seems like he didn't work as a teenager because he doesn't want to treat fast food workers as subhumans?

He seems like he didn't work as a teenager because he doesn't understand (or claims not to) how people can suck at the first job they ever had without training for every aspect of it.


You seem like you DID have a job as a teenager and needed an awful lot of training to be able to perform extremely basic tasks.
2012-08-02 11:21:19 PM
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Lsherm: GAT_00: Lsherm: They're going to suck at all aspects of it if you don't train them.

Oh please, tell me more about how you educate the lower classes on how to respect their betters, and how you civilize the untamed.

Who said anything about lower classes? I'm talking about teenagers at their first job.

I'm going to go ahead and guess you didn't work as a teenager. You give off that vibe.


He seems like he didn't work as a teenager because he doesn't want to treat fast food workers as subhumans?
2012-08-02 11:19:52 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Lsherm: They're going to suck at all aspects of it if you don't train them.

Oh please, tell me more about how you educate the lower classes on how to respect their betters, and how you civilize the untamed.


Who said anything about lower classes? I'm talking about teenagers at their first job.

I'm going to go ahead and guess you didn't work as a teenager. You give off that vibe.
2012-08-02 11:13:06 PM
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GAT_00: Lsherm: That's how some employees greet you.

Also, I don't have this problem. Of course, I don't present myself as a "Hi, I'm better than you. Do my bidding lesser human."


Yeah, that's the problem. Me. Fast Food workers would greet me like royalty after my "Hello" if only I didn't give off airs.

You know how you biatched about management the entire time the auto-industry was being bailed out? shiatty fast food service is a management issue.
2012-08-02 11:08:10 PM
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GAT_00: Lsherm: GAT_00: Lsherm: I've noted in other threads that CFA's are extremely clean and their service is, bar none, the best in the fast food business.

They get fired if they don't respond with 'my pleasure' if you thank them.

Well then that's training that works, isn't it? It sure beats hitting the local Wendy's and being greeted with "Wachoo want?" Or my absolute favorite (since I'm in the South): "Yeah?" That's how some employees greet you. Seems to me a little customer service training isn't outside the bounds in a fast food environment. After all, you'd be pretty pissed if the customer service line for your computer treated you the same way the guy at KFC does.

I think you've confused hospitality with ridiculously over the top rules.


It's a matter of degree, but if my experience working in the fast food industry is any indication - you need to spell it out for some people, because some people are just that farking stupid. Especially in the hourly, front-line positions. For most of those employees, it's their first real job. They're going to suck at all aspects of it if you don't train them.

The Ritz-Carlton also applies the "my pleasure" rule (see page 407-082-1) - or look here.

So yeah, on the surface it sounds like a ridiculous rule, but the end result is clearly better service, even by people who don't know any better. It's that they bother to include that training to begin with that puts them ahead of the game.
2012-08-02 10:44:46 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Lsherm: GAT_00: Lsherm: I've noted in other threads that CFA's are extremely clean and their service is, bar none, the best in the fast food business.

They get fired if they don't respond with 'my pleasure' if you thank them.

Well then that's training that works, isn't it? It sure beats hitting the local Wendy's and being greeted with "Wachoo want?" Or my absolute favorite (since I'm in the South): "Yeah?" That's how some employees greet you. Seems to me a little customer service training isn't outside the bounds in a fast food environment. After all, you'd be pretty pissed if the customer service line for your computer treated you the same way the guy at KFC does.

I think you've confused hospitality with ridiculously over the top rules.


www.jollybengali.net

Bullshiat! Heating and serving fast food is a life or death mission and we DON'T LEAVE A MAN BEHIND! I can't tell you how many times I've walked past the line and heard a puke-brained 17-year-old telling someone to "have a nice day." WRONG! We tell people, "My pleasure." Why? Because these men and women on the front lines are sacks of fecal matter barely smart enough to write their names on an application. They need to be molded and trained into less pathetic maggots who understand their place. They are SUPPLICANTS. They are the CANNON FODDER. HOOAH!

///I got your shake...I GOT YOUR FRIES.
///The best part of that chicken sandwich went down the front of your shirt!
///I'll bet you could suck-start the ketchup dispenser!
2012-08-02 10:26:46 PM
1 votes:

Lsherm: I've noted in other threads that CFA's are extremely clean and their service is, bar none, the best in the fast food business.


They get fired if they don't respond with 'my pleasure' if you thank them.
2012-08-02 09:51:42 PM
1 votes:
2012-08-02 09:49:23 PM
1 votes:
I was expecting more rant and fireworks and left disappointed. Yeah, he was a dick, but didn't raise his voice or anything completely outrageous.
2012-08-02 09:36:01 PM
1 votes:

gimmegimme: FTA: "Vogel said the company has no stance on the gay marriage issue but has always hade a "good relationship" with Chick-fil-A. He said the company will consider contacting the employee Smith ambushed in an attempt to mend fences."

Jesus Christ. Welcome to America, in which there is no difference between you at work and you at home. While I do NOT like what this guy did at all, I take great exception to the idea that we are representatives of Dear Company at all times. It's not like the guy said, "Hello, I'm Jerk McJerkface, here on behalf of Vante, a provider of medical manufacturing solutions..."


It sounds like the two companies do business together.
2012-08-02 09:27:46 PM
1 votes:

gimmegimme: To be fair, if the person at the drive-thru were gay, they couldn't tell anyone at work or let anyone at CFA find out. The CFA stance on homosexuality is quite clear.


Huffpo had a story on gay people working at CFA. They're getting it from both sides. People sliding up to them and saying homophobic crap and also people berating and accusing them of being homophobes. Awful.
2012-08-02 09:27:37 PM
1 votes:

gimmegimme: Who should be disallowed from having a job based upon what they say on their own time?


That is for their employer to decide. When you own your own business and your employees decide to be total dickheads to a young girl (which is quite different than holding a sign at a rally but we'll let you slide on that) and proudly post it to the intertubes, you can give them the raise you think they deserve. The powers that be at Vante see things a little differently.
2012-08-02 09:24:59 PM
1 votes:
If the guy was marching outside the place with a sign or participating in a sit-in I'd be mad he was fired. This is not the case. This was purely dickish behavior.

I wouldn't want someone that stupid to be in charge of a company. Guy doesn't make good decisions.
2012-08-02 09:21:33 PM
1 votes:

gimmegimme: Where should the line be? Who should be disallowed from having a job based upon what they say on their own time? (Yes, I admit Limbaugh was talking shiat at work, but that makes it worse.)


That depends on the discretion of the employer, doesn't it? You can be sure most regular people who apply for regular jobs have their facebook page looked at and if the employer doesn't like what they see they don't get hired.

He was a CEO. He probably didn't do anything anyway, so the least he can do is not make himself and his company look like assholes.
2012-08-02 08:53:05 PM
1 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: She is cute. And a ginger. And she handled herself well.

Hopefully Mr. Smith will one day find himself asking her if she wants fries with her meal. He could use a solid dose of humility.


2012-08-02 08:32:41 PM
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edmo: ArkAngel: I hope this man enjoys the consequences of his free speech.

In this case, he has none. The Constitution guarantees and protects your freedom of speech from restriction by the government. Elsewhere, good luck.


He still has freedom of speech. I was simply remarking on how Chick-fil-A has been threatened with boycotts and bannings because of what the CEO said. Now this guy does his thing and gets consequences himself. He's a dumbass, both for attacking the minimum wager (like she's supposed to quit a job for that reason in this economy) and for posting it online.
2012-08-02 08:29:32 PM
1 votes:
I will also say that she handled herself very well in that exchange, and I'm wondering how much time was spent by various stores preparing their employees for how to deal with situations like this.
2012-08-02 08:26:37 PM
1 votes:

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: I'd like to know what he seriously hoped to accomplish by being an asshole to a drive-thru employee.


He (was) a CEO. Being an asshole to his lessers is a reward in itself.
2012-08-02 08:26:00 PM
1 votes:
Once again proving that Fark needs an Arizona tag.

Yes, abusing the kid working the drive-thru, that's the way to break down the walls of intolerance.
2012-08-02 08:24:13 PM
1 votes:
and saying there's "not a gay in me"

Is that like Bill Clinton's questioning the definition of "is". Like right now, there is not an intern's mouth wrapped around my joint. Right now there is not a gay in me. Because i'm driving.
2012-08-02 08:23:59 PM
1 votes:

ArkAngel: I hope this man enjoys the consequences of his free speech.


In this case, he has none. The Constitution guarantees and protects your freedom of speech from restriction by the government. Elsewhere, good luck.
2012-08-02 08:22:50 PM
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You libs are such hypocrites for defending this guy!!!
2012-08-02 08:12:34 PM
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I actually go to McDonalds and yell at the people in the drive through about how McDonalds advertises to children. (McDonalds advertising harms them by making them obese.) But unlike this guy, I usually order three McAngus burgers and a milkshake.
2012-08-02 08:08:02 PM
1 votes:
I'll agree. Most teenagers will take whoever will employ them.
2012-08-02 08:06:46 PM
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Bired=bored
 
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