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(Washington Post)   The IRS has no problem finding and auditing your home office deductions, but somehow sent $3.3 million in refunds to a single address that filed 2,137 separate tax returns in a single year   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 55
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2012-08-02 05:39:44 PM  
Well the fact that you're hearing about it now suggests they audited, doesn't it.
 
2012-08-02 05:52:40 PM  
When someone fraudulently filed federal and Alabama income tax returns with my SSN a couple of years ago, they used the following address to ask for earned income credit refunds.

P.O. Box
Decatur, AL 35601

Even without a post office box number (and that I've never lived in Decatur, both the IRS and the Alabama Department of Revenue accepted the fake electronic filings that caused havoc for me that particular year.

Everybody collecting revenue at federal and state agencies need better funding so we can get our fair share of taxes, minimize fraud, IMHO.
 
2012-08-02 07:18:54 PM  
Was this the address:

200 Clarendon Street
Boston, MA 02116
 
2012-08-02 07:20:28 PM  
Of course, we could increase funding for computers and manpower to increase their fraud detection capabilities, but we all know that would be a socialist waste of money.
 
2012-08-02 07:21:54 PM  
1600 Pennsylvania Ave
Washington, DC 20006

...they said something about practice.
 
2012-08-02 07:21:59 PM  

unlikely: Well the fact that you're hearing about it now suggests they audited, doesn't it.


and how much have they gotten back???
 
2012-08-02 07:22:55 PM  
If I found myself looking for work, I would try to be a fraud detective. Smug satisfaction every time you bust someone.
 
2012-08-02 07:23:18 PM  

AirForceVet: Everybody collecting revenue at federal and state agencies need better funding so we can get our fair share of taxes, minimize fraud, IMHO.


It's almost like...and I'm sorry if I sound like a conspiracy nut...there are people in Washington that want the IRS to fail so they don't fund it enough.

Or maybe it's because there are around 141,166,805 individual income tax returns and 2,355,803 corporate tax returns (source) and missing a mere 1 million fraudulent returns is actually a very good rate of enforcement.
 
2012-08-02 07:23:55 PM  
FTA: The IRS is detecting far fewer fraudulent tax refund claims than actually occur, according to a government audit that warned the widespread problem could undermine public trust in the U.S. tax system.

Public "trust" in the tax system???

Huh?

Ha!

uh Ha ha hah!

BWAAAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHAHAHA!!!!


/oy
 
2012-08-02 07:24:09 PM  
To solve that problem, they need to fix this...

3.bp.blogspot.com

Just make it a National Sales Tax that even Drug Dealers would have to pay.
 
2012-08-02 07:25:46 PM  
Yet they had no problem going after me for money I'd already paid. (Long CSB.)

I have to say, though, I gotta respect the committment and cojones of filing 2,137 returns. I mean, what is that, about $1,000 in postage? And God knows the USPS needs the money. Heck, we ought to thank them! (Unless they e-filed, in which case, shoot them on sight.)
 
2012-08-02 07:25:57 PM  

Amos Quito: FTA: The IRS is detecting far fewer fraudulent tax refund claims than actually occur, according to a government audit that warned the widespread problem could undermine public trust in the U.S. tax system.

Public "trust" in the tax system???

Huh?

Ha!

uh Ha ha hah!

BWAAAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHAHAHA!!!!


/oy


I trust the tax system, I trust that they're going to try to squeeze me for all they can.
 
2012-08-02 07:27:24 PM  
img.groundspeak.com

What the IRS inspection of the address might look like

/look, actual jackbooted thugs!
 
2012-08-02 07:31:12 PM  
AUDIT THE FED, FIRE THE IRS, USE THE FAIR TAX, STOP biatchING!
 
2012-08-02 07:32:10 PM  
2,137 different forms at one address? Could be a Hindu.
 
2012-08-02 07:37:16 PM  
Seems legit, I wonder where they all park their cars.
 
2012-08-02 07:38:36 PM  

unlikely: Well the fact that you're hearing about it now suggests they audited, doesn't it.


It's like wiping your ass after you already shiat your pants
 
2012-08-02 07:38:54 PM  

Brick-House: To solve that problem, they need to fix this...

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 642x845]


Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Just make it a National Sales Tax that even Drug Dealers would have to pay.

Fun fact: some states do that. That is, not just taxing their income, but the drugs themselves. Dealers are required to buy tax stamps, and when they're caught and (big surprise) don't have them, that's another offense and fine.

BTW, anyone notice this?:

Three addresses in Florida, the epicenter of the identity theft crisis
 
2012-08-02 07:42:59 PM  

captcaveman: AUDIT THE FED, FIRE THE IRS, USE THE FAIR TAX, STOP biatchING!


You seem like the kind of guy that expects a flying car.
 
2012-08-02 07:47:38 PM  

"We found multiple reasons for the IRS's inability to detect billions of dollars in fraud," J. Russell George, the Treasury Department's inspector general for tax administration, in a statement. "At a time when every dollar counts, these results are extremely troubling."

Topping the list of concerns is the IRS's lack of timely access to third-party information it needs to verify returns and root out fraud.


How about gross incompentece? And how about we start with "gross incompetence in the IG's office?"
 
2012-08-02 07:49:30 PM  

Spoon over Marin: captcaveman: AUDIT THE FED, FIRE THE IRS, USE THE FAIR TAX, STOP biatchING!

You seem like the kind of guy that expects a flying car.


No one expects a flying car in their living room! :)
 
2012-08-02 07:51:01 PM  

captcaveman: Spoon over Marin: captcaveman: AUDIT THE FED, FIRE THE IRS, USE THE FAIR TAX, STOP biatchING!

You seem like the kind of guy that expects a flying car.

No one expects a flying car in their living room! :)


Welcome to TFD. Come storm the castle.
 
2012-08-02 07:52:02 PM  

beantowndog: Seems legit, I wonder where they all park their cars.


img14.imageshack.us

They pack them into vans.


/daddy's little deductions
 
2012-08-02 07:58:34 PM  

haemaker: Was this the address:

200 Clarendon Street
Boston, MA 02116


I had to look up that address.

Bravo. Subtle.

/For the lazy, it's Bain Capital's corporate HQ.
 
2012-08-02 08:05:32 PM  
Just because there were thousands of returns for a single address, that doesn't automatically mean there's anything fraudulent going on. They could be Mexicans, like the ones that lived in that one place in the trailer park down the street from my last residence.
 
2012-08-02 08:07:39 PM  

TGWJH: If I found myself looking for work, I would try to be a fraud detective.


a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com

No ma'am. We're musicians.


What fraud detectives might look like.
 
2012-08-02 08:14:09 PM  
In one example, investigators found a single address in Lansing, Mich., that was used to file 2,137 separate tax returns. The IRS issued more than $3.3 million in refunds to that address. Three addresses in Florida, the epicenter of the identity theft crisis, filed more than 500 returns totaling more than $1 million in refunds for each address.

I will sell you an advanced, cutting-edge computer algorithm to detect this. 3 lines of code, for the bargain price of $1M USD per line.
 
2012-08-02 08:19:58 PM  

Oznog: In one example, investigators found a single address in Lansing, Mich., that was used to file 2,137 separate tax returns. The IRS issued more than $3.3 million in refunds to that address. Three addresses in Florida, the epicenter of the identity theft crisis, filed more than 500 returns totaling more than $1 million in refunds for each address.

I will sell you an advanced, cutting-edge computer algorithm to detect this. 3 lines of code, for the bargain price of $1M USD per line.


And I'll kindly offer to implement said algorithm (or an improvement upon) in code, for only $1.3 million US dollars more.
 
2012-08-02 08:22:16 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Of course, we could increase funding for computers and manpower to increase their fraud detection capabilities, but we all know that would be a socialist waste of money.


It would only take 1 man with one computer in each state. that's being generous.

DBA is easy, you just have to care enough to do it.
 
2012-08-02 08:26:35 PM  
THIS IS WHY ALL TAXATION SHOULD BE BANNED
 
2012-08-02 08:28:59 PM  

Silverstaff: haemaker: Was this the address:

200 Clarendon Street
Boston, MA 02116

I had to look up that address.

Bravo. Subtle.

/For the lazy, it's Bain Capital's corporate HQ.


I guessed one of Romneys addresses.

/subtle like a flying mallet
 
2012-08-02 08:40:40 PM  

gerbilpox: Yet they had no problem going after me for money I'd already paid. (Long CSB.)

I have to say, though, I gotta respect the committment and cojones of filing 2,137 returns. I mean, what is that, about $1,000 in postage? And God knows the USPS needs the money. Heck, we ought to thank them! (Unless they e-filed, in which case, shoot them on sight.)


Applied sociopathy. You have to be willing to gamble that the IRS isn't flagging matching entries in their databases for further investigation, which it sounds like they're actually doing to some extent, but they have a limited number of people available to actually carry out these investigations, examine files, make phone calls to check information, etc. You might be able to spit out a list of suspicious filings, but suspicion is nothing until investigation takes place to confirm or refute it. The sociopaths who engage in some of the more spectacular frauds are just gambling the staff tasked with going through all of those suspicious filings never get around to them.

/probably talking out of my arse
 
2012-08-02 08:50:32 PM  

Oznog: In one example, investigators found a single address in Lansing, Mich., that was used to file 2,137 separate tax returns. The IRS issued more than $3.3 million in refunds to that address. Three addresses in Florida, the epicenter of the identity theft crisis, filed more than 500 returns totaling more than $1 million in refunds for each address.

I will sell you an advanced, cutting-edge computer algorithm to detect this. 3 lines of code, for the bargain price of $1M USD per line.


It needs to run on a Wang.
 
2012-08-02 08:50:55 PM  
Those porn DVDs were a legitimate home office expense, dammit. It's called Research.
 
2012-08-02 08:53:19 PM  
Ya know. When ya think about it, their home kinda sort IS their office.
 
2012-08-02 09:07:53 PM  

Brick-House: Just make it a National Sales Tax that even Drug Dealers would have to pay.


That sort of already exists. You must claim all income on your tax return, including illegal income. You run drugs on the street? By law you must claim that income on your taxes. Not sales tax, but a tax.
 
2012-08-02 09:09:01 PM  

Spoon over Marin: captcaveman: AUDIT THE FED, FIRE THE IRS, USE THE FAIR TAX, STOP biatchING!

You seem like the kind of guy that expects a flying car.


Already been done
 
2012-08-02 09:15:51 PM  
The case worker probably mistakenly assumed this was a 1%'er and as such, off limits.
 
DGK
2012-08-02 09:42:27 PM  

gerbilpox: Brick-House: To solve that problem, they need to fix this...


Fun fact: some states do that. That is, not just taxing their income, but the drugs themselves. Dealers are required to buy tax stamps, and when they're caught and (big surprise) don't have them, that's another offense and fine.



wow, the tax on cocaine in Kansas is $200 per gram. Which is alot more than the drug itself costs. Anyone caught with more than one gram of coke is considered a dealer and is supposed to pay the tax. Wow .
 
2012-08-02 09:45:39 PM  
Uh oh.
 
2012-08-02 09:48:16 PM  

unlikely: Well the fact that you're hearing about it now suggests they audited, doesn't it.


Exactly. Most people don't realize it, but the IRS will give you whatever you tell it you're owed. That check will arrive and it will clear just fine.

How long it takes them to come for you usually depends on how much money we're talking about. A couple thousand? Probably 18 months or so. A fraudulent adoption credit worth ten grand? They're gonna catch that in six months or so.

Nobody gets away with it; it just takes the IRS longer to catch some people.
 
2012-08-02 09:56:10 PM  
I encounter this on a daily basis. I will have clients come in for some unrelated issue and then out of nowhere ID theft complicates the whole matter.

It's so prevalent it's terrifying.
 
2012-08-02 10:07:55 PM  

DGK: gerbilpox: Brick-House: To solve that problem, they need to fix this...


Fun fact: some states do that. That is, not just taxing their income, but the drugs themselves. Dealers are required to buy tax stamps, and when they're caught and (big surprise) don't have them, that's another offense and fine.



wow, the tax on cocaine in Kansas is $200 per gram. Which is alot more than the drug itself costs. Anyone caught with more than one gram of coke is considered a dealer and is supposed to pay the tax. Wow .


Weird; I remember hearing the federal marijuana tax stamp was ruled a Fifth Amendment violation; can states get away with infringing a right defined on the federal level? I thought the Fourteenth Amendment and supremacy clause pretty much closed that possibility?
 
DGK
2012-08-02 10:34:46 PM  

PlatinumDragon: DGK:

wow, the tax on cocaine in Kansas is $200 per gram. Which is alot more than the drug itself costs. Anyone caught with more than one gram of coke is considered a dealer and is supposed to pay the tax. Wow .

Weird; I remember hearing the federal marijuana tax stamp was ruled a Fifth Amendment violation; can states get away with infringing a right defined on the federal level? I thought the Fourteenth Amendment and supremacy clause pretty much closed that possibility?


reading the Link posted above, it says about 10 states do this. Some good reading on this page. I don't know how they can get away with stuff like this either.
 
2012-08-02 10:35:50 PM  
CSB on taxes and the IRS:

A little while back, shortly after filing my taxes, I got a letter from the IRS saying that we had calculated things wrong, and we were due a sizeable (couple grand) refund instead of the measly one that I had figured for our returns. It sounded fishy to me, but I had the official letter, and after trying repeatedly to get through to them on the phone (I couldn't, despite several lengthy attempts), I thought "what the hell, it's not like I was being fraudulent."

Some months letter, I got a letter from them saying "No, not yours. Give it back!" Of course, we had spent the money by that time and for some reason, I had misfiled that letter and couldn't find it (which literally drove me insane with rage, since I'm usually very careful with those kinds of documents). I doubt it would have made any difference anyway, but it would've at least made me feel more vindicated.

Anyway, we ended up having to fork over the cash, plus the accrued interest on it. Which still pisses me off to this day, dammit.
 
2012-08-02 11:25:30 PM  
So this is how GE earned billions of dollars and paid 0 taxes.
 
2012-08-02 11:37:29 PM  

lamecomedian: CSB on taxes and the IRS:

A little while back, shortly after filing my taxes, I got a letter from the IRS saying that we had calculated things wrong, and we were due a sizeable (couple grand) refund instead of the measly one that I had figured for our returns. It sounded fishy to me, but I had the official letter, and after trying repeatedly to get through to them on the phone (I couldn't, despite several lengthy attempts), I thought "what the hell, it's not like I was being fraudulent."

Some months letter, I got a letter from them saying "No, not yours. Give it back!" Of course, we had spent the money by that time and for some reason, I had misfiled that letter and couldn't find it (which literally drove me insane with rage, since I'm usually very careful with those kinds of documents). I doubt it would have made any difference anyway, but it would've at least made me feel more vindicated.

Anyway, we ended up having to fork over the cash, plus the accrued interest on it. Which still pisses me off to this day, dammit.



Still not as bad as having to pay taxes on money you never actually got in the first place. Fark you AMT!!
 
2012-08-02 11:45:01 PM  

que.guero: lamecomedian: CSB on taxes and the IRS:

A little while back, shortly after filing my taxes, I got a letter from the IRS saying that we had calculated things wrong, and we were due a sizeable (couple grand) refund instead of the measly one that I had figured for our returns. It sounded fishy to me, but I had the official letter, and after trying repeatedly to get through to them on the phone (I couldn't, despite several lengthy attempts), I thought "what the hell, it's not like I was being fraudulent."

Some months letter, I got a letter from them saying "No, not yours. Give it back!" Of course, we had spent the money by that time and for some reason, I had misfiled that letter and couldn't find it (which literally drove me insane with rage, since I'm usually very careful with those kinds of documents). I doubt it would have made any difference anyway, but it would've at least made me feel more vindicated.

Anyway, we ended up having to fork over the cash, plus the accrued interest on it. Which still pisses me off to this day, dammit.


Still not as bad as having to pay taxes on money you never actually got in the first place. Fark you AMT!!


The Fair Tax solves all of that nonsense.
 
2012-08-02 11:53:07 PM  
While kind of on topic.....

One of the very few things I got out of my divorce is that I can claim my child as a dependent every other year. Form 8332 IIRC... anyways, as it turns out I claimed her this year and then my ex in laws did as well. There argument is that since the child`s CP was not going to, and the in laws have no legal agreement with me, that they should be allowed to claim her. Can`t wait to hear how it all works out for them in court.

\I may only say this once, but fark YEAH IRS!!!!
 
2012-08-03 12:05:55 AM  

MrHappyRotter: Just because there were thousands of returns for a single address, that doesn't automatically mean there's anything fraudulent going on. They could be Mexicans, like the ones that lived in that one place in the trailer park down the street from my last residence.


That may be a joke but...CSB ahead.

A house was raided two blocks down the street and the cops needed to rent a bus to move them all. Turns out the house was in legal limbo as to who owned it and officially it was vacant. The city had some people come in and they had a huge ass dumpster full of just mattresses, had to of been 50-100. On the curb was piles and piles of clothes sized Premie-XXXL, furniture, TVs, you name it.

CSB #2
I showed up at work one day and there were some unmarked Crown Vics(the feds) waiting for two people to arrive. Two Mexicans had the same SS. Six months later they hired one of them back with a different name and SS. He told us that he would claim Single-9 and just run back to Mexico when he was laid off. Never filed a return.
 
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