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2012-08-02 10:22:02 PM  
Fun fact. Just watched hank in a old episode of married w/children. He was still bald lol.
 
2012-08-02 10:27:11 PM  
Let me sit on my ass and watch TV, get dumber by the second...

/nope
 
2012-08-02 10:32:04 PM  
I'm working through season four via Netflix now and it's killing me trying to avoid these threads. That is all.

/exeunt
 
2012-08-02 10:32:07 PM  

urban.derelict: Let me sit on my ass and watch TV, get dumber by the second...

/nope


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2012-08-02 10:32:28 PM  
I'm rewatching the series. The first time through I was usually rooting for Walt. This time I can see what an egotistical ass hole he is. Nearly every choice he makes is self-serving bullshiat.

I also forgot just how good Skylar is in some of her scenes. Like when she first tells Walt about her and Ted. She's fantastic. She hasn't had much to do but be a shreeky biatch for a while, but the lady can act when they write her something good.

My final thought. Rewatching the pilot, I was struck by just how different a guy Walt is now compared to the guy who got the birthday handjob from his nagging/eBay surfing wife.
 
2012-08-02 10:36:09 PM  
FTFA: Knowing that color is important, and having read interviews with Gilligan in which he explicitly states that there are visual foreshadowing clues in the form of color on the show, what can we make of pink? The pink teddy bear was associated with death. Walt was wearing a pink sweater when the plane had mid-air collision. Jane had a lengthy discussion with Jesse about Georgia O'Keefe (whose paintings looked like (pink) vaginas), and after her death, Jesse found a cigarette she left in his car covered in pink lipstick. Coincidence? Perhaps. But if pink is associated with death, do we always see Holly White (Walt and Skyler's infant daughter) dressed in pink - and sleeping in a crib with a pink blanket - because she's a girl, or because Holly is associated with death? Is it Vince's way of foreshadowing Holly's death? Vince has suggested, after all, that Walt does something in the final season that is so bad we could never again sympathize with him. Does he sacrifice his daughter to save his business?

Uh...what about the character named Jesse PINKman...?

Have you thought about that?

Cool article, but the fumbled the ball on this one.
 
2012-08-02 10:36:12 PM  
I'm a huge fan of Malcolm in the Middle and I still have a hard time looking past the role of Hal and seeing Cranston as Walter. But I still love the show!

/ I'm sure I'm not the only one
// would still like to know exactly how Walt poisoned the kid
 
2012-08-02 10:38:07 PM  
I like the jab when Hank asked how the Madrigal auto exec's arrived, did they have the car with the doors that openned up? Nice reference to John DeLoren and his financing of his company with drug trafficing...
 
2012-08-02 10:45:09 PM  

urban.derelict: Let me sit on my ass and watch TV, get dumber by the second...

/nope


This is not your usual bullshiat major network (ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX) kind of series.

Cable networks have been blasting high quality TV for the last decade (HBO, Showtime, Starz, AMC)

Also, do you watch movies? Because the level of craft (visual, musical and narrative) of the top series is movie-like.

So, if you like watching movies, why wouldn't you watch something similar but in extended form?

Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Game of Thrones, The Wire, Homeland, The Shield, etc are up there with any of the great movies.

Also, you can just download the shows off the internet and watch at your own leisure if you're concerned about having to schedule their timeslots.
 
2012-08-02 10:46:03 PM  
2. Cool Allusion: When Ted trips and falls, oranges fall on his crumpled body, a possible reference to The Godfather (in The Godfather, oranges represent violence and death).


Love Breaking Bad, but allusions to The Godfather with oranges is so overdone. Every other episode The Sopranos somehow managed to work oranges or orange juice into key scenes.
 
2012-08-02 10:49:55 PM  
As far as TV deaths go, I thought suicide by defibrillator was pretty creative in one of the recent episodes.

Lots of good setups for season 5 already in place. Like the more prominent role Mike is taking so far. Jonathan Banks is way cool.
 
2012-08-02 10:50:02 PM  
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Eyebrows = Martin Scorsese tribute
'Wipe Down this! Crotch Grab = Michael Jackson Child Sex Case reference
 
2012-08-02 10:58:08 PM  
Did the use the line, "thanks, Freddy Foreshadowing" like Archer did? If not, I'm not interested.
 
2012-08-02 11:02:29 PM  
Ok, i just read the list. I must say, that was in fact pretty interesting.
 
2012-08-02 11:03:47 PM  

urban.derelict: Let me sit on my ass and watch TV, get dumber by the second...

/nope



Well IF I even owned a TV I can assure you I would watch nothing but the most obscure possible organic, artisanal films d'art.
 
2012-08-02 11:06:18 PM  

frestcrallen: As far as TV deaths go, I thought suicide by defibrillator was pretty creative in one of the recent episodes.


Although that was an AED. They're basically designed to make accidental discharges impossible. The pads include an EKG, it actually checks the rhythm and will only shock if it's actually fibrillating. With one of the pads stripped off, it would detect the resistance and refuse to discharge.

But that's still way more plausible than the stuff they did with the electromagnet. I kinda hope the not-actually-wiped HDD shows up again, but I know it won't.
 
2012-08-02 11:11:27 PM  

Inaditch: I'm rewatching the series. The first time through I was usually rooting for Walt. This time I can see what an egotistical ass hole he is. Nearly every choice he makes is self-serving bullshiat.

I also forgot just how good Skylar is in some of her scenes. Like when she first tells Walt about her and Ted. She's fantastic. She hasn't had much to do but be a shreeky biatch for a while, but the lady can act when they write her something good.

My final thought. Rewatching the pilot, I was struck by just how different a guy Walt is now compared to the guy who got the birthday handjob from his nagging/eBay surfing wife.


I recently went back through the first 4 seasons to get my girlfriend up to speed, and I did not expect that Hank would be the one I was rooting for the second time around. He's the only good guy on the show. He has been right at every turn of the investigation, he's learned from his mistakes and grown, his only dark moment came when he had the decency to feel bad about killing people, and they were the people who most deserved killing out of everyone on the show. They could have easily included a scene or subplot where Hank does something like cheat on Marie or plant evidence at a scene just to make the "everyone is flawed" point, but they never did. Hank's solid.
 
2012-08-02 11:15:17 PM  

t3knomanser: frestcrallen: As far as TV deaths go, I thought suicide by defibrillator was pretty creative in one of the recent episodes.

Although that was an AED. They're basically designed to make accidental discharges impossible. The pads include an EKG, it actually checks the rhythm and will only shock if it's actually fibrillating. With one of the pads stripped off, it would detect the resistance and refuse to discharge.

But that's still way more plausible than the stuff they did with the electromagnet. I kinda hope the not-actually-wiped HDD shows up again, but I know it won't.


No, Hank said afterward that the HDD was encrypted and they probably wouldn't have gotten anything off it anyway. But using the magnet accidentally revealed the bank account numbers hidden behind the photograph. The point of that whole sequence was that in his attempt to be bad-ass and proactive, Walt actually made the situation way worse.
 
2012-08-02 11:19:23 PM  

reklamfox: I'm a huge fan of Malcolm in the Middle and I still have a hard time looking past the role of Hal and seeing Cranston as Walter. But I still love the show!

/ I'm sure I'm not the only one
// would still like to know exactly how Walt poisoned the kid


Malcolm in the Middle is the only reason why I even thought of forgiving Walt for some of the crap he did. Bryan Cranston is a genius. He's completely believeable as both a meek guy out of his element, and as a ruthless stone cold killer who was only meek because he hadn't been pushed yet (except we never did find out what happened at his old girlfriend's house that weekend the company was stolen from under him ...)

But yeah, Walt is a selfish, selfish bastard. Always was. His treatment of Jesse is hair pulling. Is he doing Jesse like his ex did him? If Jesse is the son he never had because ... Walt Jr. and Walt Jr.'s endearing naivete ... what does that really say about how Walt feels about his family? You know how dudes go to prostitutes because they can't fathom asking their wives to do what they really want? That's Walt with Jesse.

And yes, Anna Gunn is so kick ass in her role, it hurts. She is one vicious, calculating, meticulous brainy Superwoman herself. Special props to the actress who plays Marie. I used to hate her, but then she brought Hank home and she showed hidden depths of metal.

/If Hank and Vic Mackey got into a cross-country showdown, who still be alive in the end?
 
2012-08-02 11:21:34 PM  

Crudbucket: Inaditch: I'm rewatching the series. The first time through I was usually rooting for Walt. This time I can see what an egotistical ass hole he is. Nearly every choice he makes is self-serving bullshiat.

I also forgot just how good Skylar is in some of her scenes. Like when she first tells Walt about her and Ted. She's fantastic. She hasn't had much to do but be a shreeky biatch for a while, but the lady can act when they write her something good.

My final thought. Rewatching the pilot, I was struck by just how different a guy Walt is now compared to the guy who got the birthday handjob from his nagging/eBay surfing wife.

I recently went back through the first 4 seasons to get my girlfriend up to speed, and I did not expect that Hank would be the one I was rooting for the second time around. He's the only good guy on the show. He has been right at every turn of the investigation, he's learned from his mistakes and grown, his only dark moment came when he had the decency to feel bad about killing people, and they were the people who most deserved killing out of everyone on the show. They could have easily included a scene or subplot where Hank does something like cheat on Marie or plant evidence at a scene just to make the "everyone is flawed" point, but they never did. Hank's solid.


Hank's a racist.
 
2012-08-02 11:27:22 PM  

Crudbucket: Inaditch: I'm rewatching the series. The first time through I was usually rooting for Walt. This time I can see what an egotistical ass hole he is. Nearly every choice he makes is self-serving bullshiat.

I also forgot just how good Skylar is in some of her scenes. Like when she first tells Walt about her and Ted. She's fantastic. She hasn't had much to do but be a shreeky biatch for a while, but the lady can act when they write her something good.

My final thought. Rewatching the pilot, I was struck by just how different a guy Walt is now compared to the guy who got the birthday handjob from his nagging/eBay surfing wife.

I recently went back through the first 4 seasons to get my girlfriend up to speed, and I did not expect that Hank would be the one I was rooting for the second time around. He's the only good guy on the show. He has been right at every turn of the investigation, he's learned from his mistakes and grown, his only dark moment came when he had the decency to feel bad about killing people, and they were the people who most deserved killing out of everyone on the show. They could have easily included a scene or subplot where Hank does something like cheat on Marie or plant evidence at a scene just to make the "everyone is flawed" point, but they never did. Hank's solid.


He did go crazy and beat the living shiat out of Jesse. I could understand why. He is the most decent main character, other than Jr. and the baby who barely count.

My theory - it will turn out to be Saul who's the real brains behind the operation. He's been pulling the strings since the very beginning.
 
2012-08-02 11:27:58 PM  

urban.derelict: Let me sit on my ass and watch TV post internet comments, get dumber by the second...

/nope


Yep.
 
2012-08-02 11:30:12 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: reklamfox: I'm a huge fan of Malcolm in the Middle and I still have a hard time looking past the role of Hal and seeing Cranston as Walter. But I still love the show!

/ I'm sure I'm not the only one
// would still like to know exactly how Walt poisoned the kid

Malcolm in the Middle is the only reason why I even thought of forgiving Walt for some of the crap he did. Bryan Cranston is a genius. He's completely believeable as both a meek guy out of his element, and as a ruthless stone cold killer who was only meek because he hadn't been pushed yet (except we never did find out what happened at his old girlfriend's house that weekend the company was stolen from under him ...)

But yeah, Walt is a selfish, selfish bastard. Always was. His treatment of Jesse is hair pulling. Is he doing Jesse like his ex did him? If Jesse is the son he never had because ... Walt Jr. and Walt Jr.'s endearing naivete ... what does that really say about how Walt feels about his family? You know how dudes go to prostitutes because they can't fathom asking their wives to do what they really want? That's Walt with Jesse.

And yes, Anna Gunn is so kick ass in her role, it hurts. She is one vicious, calculating, meticulous brainy Superwoman herself. Special props to the actress who plays Marie. I used to hate her, but then she brought Hank home and she showed hidden depths of metal.

/If Hank and Vic Mackey got into a cross-country showdown, who still be alive in the end?


I hated Marie at first as well! Until Hank came home from the hospital (after that epic handjob) and started treating her like crap. I expected something more to happen with that. Like, they would drift apart, Marie would find out about Walt somehow, and keep it all a secret from Hank.
But instead he played with some rocks, acted like a jerk and now their relationship is once again on the back burner. I'm just waiting for Skylar to have a breakdown and spill the secret!
/ the whole plan to kill Gus was GENIUS. I could honestly say the scene when he walked out of the room and straightened his tie shocked me.
 
2012-08-02 11:32:14 PM  

Inaditch: I'm rewatching the series. The first time through I was usually rooting for Walt. This time I can see what an egotistical ass hole he is. Nearly every choice he makes is self-serving bullshiat.


Walt is not a bad guy but ever since the cancer diagnosis, and the subsequent realization of how boring his life was, he became an adrenaline junkie.

When things start going well Walt self-sabotages just to get the danger going again. Gus was probably not a brilliant as Walt but he didn't have the need for danger ... so he was much better at running a drug syndicate.
 
2012-08-02 11:34:50 PM  
Also, I really didn't hate Walt until he called Skylars bluff and just moved all his shiat back into the house and refused to leave. That is the height of selfishness and really shows how little he actually cared about her feelings. God what a jerkass thing to do.

I wonder what he plans to do with the poison he stole from Jessie
 
2012-08-02 11:37:29 PM  

reklamfox: I wonder what he plans to do with the poison he stole from Jessie


I am assuming that his current motivation is to keep it in case he ever needs it. I am sure that Vince Gilligan already knows what Walt is going to do with it.
 
2012-08-02 11:38:01 PM  

Farking Canuck: Inaditch: I'm rewatching the series. The first time through I was usually rooting for Walt. This time I can see what an egotistical ass hole he is. Nearly every choice he makes is self-serving bullshiat.

Walt is not a bad guy but ever since the cancer diagnosis, and the subsequent realization of how boring his life was, he became an adrenaline junkie.

When things start going well Walt self-sabotages just to get the danger going again. Gus was probably not a brilliant as Walt but he didn't have the need for danger ... so he was much better at running a drug syndicate.


This. It's clearly seen at the time when he was drunk at Hank's house during the dinner and just when Hank was about to give up on everything he kept pushing him to continue, planting the seeds of doubt inside him.

It could also means he's so selfish he wants to be found out so everybody knows how badass and smart he is. One of the things he has constantly harped on is how he has earned everything. Which is related to the company that was stolen from him by his ex. He doesn't want glory (or infamy, in this case) to elude him once again.
 
2012-08-02 11:45:51 PM  

Crudbucket: But using the magnet accidentally revealed the bank account numbers hidden behind the photograph. The point of that whole sequence was that in his attempt to be bad-ass and proactive, Walt actually made the situation way worse.


Photograph frame-backing has to be in the top ten list of favourite hiding places for important information in TV and film. Personally I thought it was a little prosaic for Gus, even though I appreciated the cause and effect twist.
 
2012-08-02 11:55:18 PM  

rocky_howard: Farking Canuck: Inaditch: I'm rewatching the series. The first time through I was usually rooting for Walt. This time I can see what an egotistical ass hole he is. Nearly every choice he makes is self-serving bullshiat.

Walt is not a bad guy but ever since the cancer diagnosis, and the subsequent realization of how boring his life was, he became an adrenaline junkie.

When things start going well Walt self-sabotages just to get the danger going again. Gus was probably not a brilliant as Walt but he didn't have the need for danger ... so he was much better at running a drug syndicate.

This. It's clearly seen at the time when he was drunk at Hank's house during the dinner and just when Hank was about to give up on everything he kept pushing him to continue, planting the seeds of doubt inside him.

It could also means he's so selfish he wants to be found out so everybody knows how badass and smart he is. One of the things he has constantly harped on is how he has earned everything. Which is related to the company that was stolen from him by his ex. He doesn't want glory (or infamy, in this case) to elude him once again.


It isn't his need for danger, he likes to outsmart people to prove to himself that he is smarter than everybody else. He knows he is smarter than everybody else, but until he started with the meth he was unable to prove it because everybody thought of him as a joke and didn't take him seriously. Now he can prove it by leading people right to his doorstep then and then pulling something to send them spinning their wheels.
 
2012-08-02 11:58:28 PM  
Don't call me Gilligan!

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2012-08-03 12:02:54 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Crudbucket: Inaditch: I'm rewatching the series. The first time through I was usually rooting for Walt. This time I can see what an egotistical ass hole he is. Nearly every choice he makes is self-serving bullshiat.

I also forgot just how good Skylar is in some of her scenes. Like when she first tells Walt about her and Ted. She's fantastic. She hasn't had much to do but be a shreeky biatch for a while, but the lady can act when they write her something good.

My final thought. Rewatching the pilot, I was struck by just how different a guy Walt is now compared to the guy who got the birthday handjob from his nagging/eBay surfing wife.

I recently went back through the first 4 seasons to get my girlfriend up to speed, and I did not expect that Hank would be the one I was rooting for the second time around. He's the only good guy on the show. He has been right at every turn of the investigation, he's learned from his mistakes and grown, his only dark moment came when he had the decency to feel bad about killing people, and they were the people who most deserved killing out of everyone on the show. They could have easily included a scene or subplot where Hank does something like cheat on Marie or plant evidence at a scene just to make the "everyone is flawed" point, but they never did. Hank's solid.

Hank's a racist.


He was when he went to the El Paso office. But after the cartel handed his ass (and that guy's leg) to him, he learned his lesson not to underestimate the enemy. He initially mocked the Pablo Escobar statue, but ended up passing it on to his replacement.
 
2012-08-03 12:06:24 AM  

frestcrallen: Crudbucket: But using the magnet accidentally revealed the bank account numbers hidden behind the photograph. The point of that whole sequence was that in his attempt to be bad-ass and proactive, Walt actually made the situation way worse.

Photograph frame-backing has to be in the top ten list of favourite hiding places for important information in TV and film. Personally I thought it was a little prosaic for Gus, even though I appreciated the cause and effect twist.


And on Storage Wars.
 
2012-08-03 12:23:31 AM  

MarkMartinFan: I like the jab when Hank asked how the Madrigal auto exec's arrived, did they have the car with the doors that openned up? Nice reference to John DeLoren and his financing of his company with drug trafficing...


DeLoren was actually set up by a paid informant and the FBI. He was found not guilty at trial by reason of entrapment, though his career and car company were sadly over.
 
2012-08-03 12:27:33 AM  

Farking Canuck: reklamfox: I wonder what he plans to do with the poison he stole from Jessie

I am assuming that his current motivation is to keep it in case he ever needs it. I am sure that Vince Gilligan already knows what Walt is going to do with it.


Are you talking about the ricin in Jesse's cigarette? I had assumed that Gus knew about it the whole time and had it stolen to put in the tequila to kill the cartel bosses
 
2012-08-03 12:34:18 AM  

thornhill: 2. Cool Allusion: When Ted trips and falls, oranges fall on his crumpled body, a possible reference to The Godfather (in The Godfather, oranges represent violence and death).


Love Breaking Bad, but allusions to The Godfather with oranges is so overdone. Every other episode The Sopranos somehow managed to work oranges or orange juice into key scenes.


They did it in Old School as well. There were oranges before Mitch found out his wife was on the bang end of a gang bang.

I thought this article was crap until #20. The Reservoir Dogs reference was interesting. But the other stuff....Walt wore green early on, not beige.
 
2012-08-03 12:38:31 AM  

Pumpernickel bread: thornhill: 2. Cool Allusion: When Ted trips and falls, oranges fall on his crumpled body, a possible reference to The Godfather (in The Godfather, oranges represent violence and death).


Love Breaking Bad, but allusions to The Godfather with oranges is so overdone. Every other episode The Sopranos somehow managed to work oranges or orange juice into key scenes.

They did it in Old School as well. There were oranges before Mitch found out his wife was on the bang end of a gang bang.

I thought this article was crap until #20. The Reservoir Dogs reference was interesting. But the other stuff....Walt wore green early on, not beige.


The Resivior Dogs thing bkew my farking mind.
 
2012-08-03 12:42:25 AM  

whosits_112: Farking Canuck: reklamfox: I wonder what he plans to do with the poison he stole from Jessie

I am assuming that his current motivation is to keep it in case he ever needs it. I am sure that Vince Gilligan already knows what Walt is going to do with it.

Are you talking about the ricin in Jesse's cigarette? I had assumed that Gus knew about it the whole time and had it stolen to put in the tequila to kill the cartel bosses



Nooo Walt just told Jessie that Gus had one of his goonies lift the cigarette off him as a ruse. Walt really stole it and diverted attention away by poisoning the kid with lilies of the valley so Jessie would be horrified with Gus for trying to kill another innocent kid. That way Jessie would be on Walt's side when it came time to kill Gus. Walt is seen later in his house with the poison cigarette where he clearly extracts the capsule, replaces it with regular table salt, and hides the real thing behind an electrical socket for safe keeping. He then takes the phony cigarette back to Jessies house where he plants it and fakes helping Jessie search all over for it because it turns out that he was "clumsy" and just misplaced it somewhere at home. Walt suggests opening up the Roomba vacuum and sure enough, there is the fake poison.

Gus knew about the first failed poison attempt, but I don't think he used the same stuff to poison the Cartel since ricin is slow acting. In fact, Im not sure they ever stated exactly what poison was in that bottle of alcohol.
 
2012-08-03 01:02:37 AM  
fta: representing his transformation from nice guy to anti-hero to villain.

uhhh, he started making meth in the first episode. he was a villain from the beginning.
 
2012-08-03 01:03:43 AM  
They missed one. The episode names for season two include: "Seven Thirty Seven", "Down," "Over," "ABQ." Exactly what happened in the season finale.
 
2012-08-03 01:06:01 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: fta: representing his transformation from nice guy to anti-hero to villain.

uhhh, he started making meth in the first episode. he was a villain from the beginning.


You should watch it from the beginning again. The transformation is quite amazing. You could see how meek he was before, and now he's the badass who says, "because I say so."
 
2012-08-03 01:09:54 AM  

The Banana Thug: They missed one. The episode names for season two include: "Seven Thirty Seven", "Down," "Over," "ABQ." Exactly what happened in the season finale.


Whoa.

Vince has suggested, after all, that Walt does something in the final season that is so bad we could never again sympathize with him.

I think he'd kill Hank or Skylar, but I think those that ultimately, maybe, you could sympathize.

I'm gonna call it right here...Walt kills Pinkman, and the girl/kid living with him now. I don't think he'd ever hurt his family, it's how he justifies what he's doing now to begin with!
 
2012-08-03 01:15:27 AM  

The Banana Thug: tenpoundsofcheese: fta: representing his transformation from nice guy to anti-hero to villain.

uhhh, he started making meth in the first episode. he was a villain from the beginning.

You should watch it from the beginning again. The transformation is quite amazing. You could see how meek he was before, and now he's the badass who says, "because I say so."


I just watched the series.

I just said that he was a villain from the beginning. He certainly became much more of a bad ass over time and even more of a self-centered idiot.
 
2012-08-03 01:15:37 AM  

phimuskapsi: The Banana Thug: They missed one. The episode names for season two include: "Seven Thirty Seven", "Down," "Over," "ABQ." Exactly what happened in the season finale.

Whoa.

Vince has suggested, after all, that Walt does something in the final season that is so bad we could never again sympathize with him.

I think he'd kill Hank or Skylar, but I think those that ultimately, maybe, you could sympathize.

I'm gonna call it right here...Walt kills Pinkman, and the girl/kid living with him now. I don't think he'd ever hurt his family, it's how he justifies what he's doing now to begin with!




I would go with Walt killing Hank. I bet Hank will somehow finally catch him cooking meth and Walter will have no choice but to kill him or else lose everything.

Didn't Jessie dump the chick who was living with him because he couldn't stand to lie to her and he couldn't tell her the truth?
 
2012-08-03 01:16:34 AM  

phimuskapsi: The Banana Thug: They missed one. The episode names for season two include: "Seven Thirty Seven", "Down," "Over," "ABQ." Exactly what happened in the season finale.

Whoa.

Vince has suggested, after all, that Walt does something in the final season that is so bad we could never again sympathize with him.

I think he'd kill Hank or Skylar, but I think those that ultimately, maybe, you could sympathize.

I'm gonna call it right here...Walt kills Pinkman, and the girl/kid living with him now. I don't think he'd ever hurt his family, it's how he justifies what he's doing now to begin with!


"Never again sympathize" ... kills his own kid. The baby buys it. Maybe the entire family.

/ but not before Walt Jr. finishes his cereal
 
2012-08-03 01:18:59 AM  

reklamfox: ExperianScaresCthulhu: reklamfox: I'm a huge fan of Malcolm in the Middle and I still have a hard time looking past the role of Hal and seeing Cranston as Walter. But I still love the show!

/ I'm sure I'm not the only one
// would still like to know exactly how Walt poisoned the kid

Malcolm in the Middle is the only reason why I even thought of forgiving Walt for some of the crap he did. Bryan Cranston is a genius. He's completely believeable as both a meek guy out of his element, and as a ruthless stone cold killer who was only meek because he hadn't been pushed yet (except we never did find out what happened at his old girlfriend's house that weekend the company was stolen from under him ...)

But yeah, Walt is a selfish, selfish bastard. Always was. His treatment of Jesse is hair pulling. Is he doing Jesse like his ex did him? If Jesse is the son he never had because ... Walt Jr. and Walt Jr.'s endearing naivete ... what does that really say about how Walt feels about his family? You know how dudes go to prostitutes because they can't fathom asking their wives to do what they really want? That's Walt with Jesse.

And yes, Anna Gunn is so kick ass in her role, it hurts. She is one vicious, calculating, meticulous brainy Superwoman herself. Special props to the actress who plays Marie. I used to hate her, but then she brought Hank home and she showed hidden depths of metal.

/If Hank and Vic Mackey got into a cross-country showdown, who still be alive in the end?

I hated Marie at first as well! Until Hank came home from the hospital (after that epic handjob) and started treating her like crap. I expected something more to happen with that. Like, they would drift apart, Marie would find out about Walt somehow, and keep it all a secret from Hank.
But instead he played with some rocks, acted like a jerk and now their relationship is once again on the back burner. I'm just waiting for Skylar to have a breakdown and spill the secret!
/ the whole plan to kill Gus was GENIUS. I could honestly say the scene when he walked out of the room and straightened his tie shocked me.


Before I watched Breaking Bad to the point of Gus being introduced, I saw a GIF of that scene. I had no idea what it was from. Once I knew who he was, it spoiled the story on one hand while drawing me in all the more. I just wanted to know how the hell half of his face got blown off.
 
2012-08-03 01:21:40 AM  

SFSailor: phimuskapsi: The Banana Thug: They missed one. The episode names for season two include: "Seven Thirty Seven", "Down," "Over," "ABQ." Exactly what happened in the season finale.

Whoa.

Vince has suggested, after all, that Walt does something in the final season that is so bad we could never again sympathize with him.

I think he'd kill Hank or Skylar, but I think those that ultimately, maybe, you could sympathize.

I'm gonna call it right here...Walt kills Pinkman, and the girl/kid living with him now. I don't think he'd ever hurt his family, it's how he justifies what he's doing now to begin with!

"Never again sympathize" ... kills his own kid. The baby buys it. Maybe the entire family.

/ but not before Walt Jr. finishes his cereal


interesting idea. but how does the baby die?

Does some hold her for ransom and Walt just doesn't care and lets her die?

Does he use her as a shield (unlikely to actually protect him against a bullet)?

Does he Hank use her as a shield and Walt doesn't care and shoots them both?

Does he throw the baby at someone who is threatening him (his wife pulls a gun on him because she has enough)?
 
2012-08-03 01:24:26 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Malcolm in the Middle is the only reason why I even thought of forgiving Walt for some of the crap he did.


okay, I didn't know that he was the dad on MiiM until I saw the third season.
Issue is, I still can't see him as the same person.


Only thing I don't get is who was Gus? When he first met with the drug cartel guys, the head guy said he wasn't going to kill Gus because of who he was (or something like that).
 
2012-08-03 01:25:05 AM  
yeah well in "Jay and Silent Bob strike back" those thieves call them Fat Man and Little Boy which is of course a reference to the atomic bombs that fell on Japan during WWII.

/or something.
 
2012-08-03 01:28:08 AM  
My favorite episode is "You Better Call Saul". You actually see Walter go to the dark side. there is "that moment", and it hooked me for good on the show.
 
2012-08-03 01:29:20 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese:

interesting idea. but how does the baby die?

Does some hold her for ransom and Walt just doesn't care and lets her die?

Does he use her as a shield (unlikely to actually protect him against a bullet)?

Does he Hank use her as a shield and Walt doesn't care and shoots them both?

Does he throw the baby at someone who is threatening him (his wife pulls a gun on him because she has enough)?


Maybe Skylar has a breakdown, threatens to turn Walter in to the DEA and Walter threatens to hurt his kids? That would be pretty unforgivable to kill your infant daughter.
 
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