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Pocket Ninja		2012-08-02 01:49:42 PM

5 votes:

unlikely: Oh FFS. Read the Harvard article - it is all about the concentration, the amount.

In adequate concentration anything is bad for you.

This is a valid point, but I think it deliberately ignores the fact that no studies to date have really demonstrated that the chemical reagents present in jet plane contrails aren't enhancing the fluoride effect. Plus countless other extraplotables, including resonant atmospheric radiation from Fukushima, electrical transmogrification from power line clusters, and frakking, and who knows what the real long-term health effects are. It's scary stuff.

unlikely		2012-08-02 12:44:57 PM

4 votes:

Oh FFS. Read the Harvard article - it is all about the concentration, the amount.

In adequate concentration anything is bad for you.

dittybopper		2012-08-02 02:56:11 PM

3 votes:

I have to be the first one?

Very well.

blogs.ei.columbia.edu

KhanAidan		2012-08-02 08:36:33 PM

2 votes:

It's hard to take the EHP study seriously when they admit that the studies the used were "generally of insufficient" quality. The authors even mention that some of the studies have "serious" deficiencies. That might not be a big deal but when your final tally is just 27 studies, having such problems is a big deal.

Speaking of which, I enjoy how they didn't even try to justify their usage of the DerSimonian and Laird method of random effects estimation. The same method that has notoriously bad small sample size asymptotics. Even DerSimonian and Laird suggest not using their method with small sample sizes.

Since there are obviously serious omitted variable bias (heterogeneity of ~80%?!) problems its hard to put any faith in their results at all. I mean their results are almost guaranteed to be an outer bound on Flouride effects. And that's ignoring the nearly halved effect when they removed the studies that also included Arsenic and Iodine exposure as well.

Disappointing study is disappointing.

ringersol		2012-08-02 04:15:46 PM

2 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: "Wait a minute.... how do you find corners on a round planet?"

4 ANGLES STOOD ON 4 CORNERS.

4 CORNERS ROTATE TO 16 CORNERS

WHICH EQUAL TO 4 CORNER DAYS.

Bathia_Mapes		2012-08-02 02:19:15 PM

2 votes:

cman: Did you know that sun rays can result in skin cancer?

Did you know that dihydrogen monoxide, a substance found on every corner of our planet, can kill you? FFS, it's even in the food we eat.

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats		2012-08-02 01:50:38 PM

2 votes:

Pocket Ninja: extraplotables

I collected the whole set of Extraplotables when I was a kid. Even had the themed carrying case for them.

KrispyKritter		2012-08-02 10:13:34 PM

1 votes:

in a few generations your descendants will be hopped up on the Brawndo so what's the difference?

/it's got electrolytes

Acharne		2012-08-02 08:56:55 PM

1 votes:

untaken_name

Seriously. Flouride is a good thing. Dentists support it because they are actively wanting good oral hygiene. Flouride = good.

People who attack flouride, to me, sound like the same people who claim autism and vaccines are related.

Pants on head silly position. Flouride, is good.

Triumph		2012-08-02 07:42:34 PM

1 votes:

One of the mysteries of ALS is why it is more commonly diagnosed in athletes and firefighters. I was having a conversation about this with a top ALS researcher and one of the possibilities we discussed was that both athletes and firefighters drink much more water than normal people (those guys that fight wildfires drink many gallons per day). So, because ALS is a disease of the nervous system, the next question is what neurotoxins are in water? It's worth looking into the flouride possibility, but good luck getting the government to fund the study of this when it's the government putting the neurotoxin in the water in the first place.

PlatypusPuke		2012-08-02 07:06:49 PM

1 votes:

earthworm2.0: mgshamster: earthworm2.0: know how I can tell there are no chemists in this thread?

How?

My dad is a biochemist. been working at the same place for 31 years. I asked him about the flouride in water thing. he says its harmless. the big fear is because flouride is highly reactive and can pair with lots of other stuff, and sometimes can make damgerous compounds. but the ppm that is in water is like trying to desalinate the ocean with an eyedropper. also, the flouride in water is not the same as the flouride in toothpaste. I wish I had paid better attention, i could explain it better...

Why would you ask something and then not pay attention to the answer?

Noticeably F.A.T.		2012-08-02 06:50:03 PM

1 votes:

quantumtheo: Second, fluoride isn't natural, it comes from the process of smelting bauxite into aluminum...

Yes it is. It also happens to occur around bauxite. Let's assume for a second that it isn't naturally occurring, why would you make the assumption that because it's part of another manufacturing process, it must be bad for you?

quantumtheo: Third, fluoride is used in pesticides and other types of poisons. The same poison control telephone number is on toothpaste that is on pesticides.

So is water. And a number of other perfectly safe chemicals. Are you going to stop eating peppers because capsaicin is used in some pesticides?

And why wouldn't the same phone number be on both products? Do you think they have different poison control centers for each threat? The number isn't on toothpaste specifically because of the fluoride, it's there because the entire mix of chemicals could potentially be harmful if you eat the entire tube.

quantumtheo: Fourth, it was used as a sedative in Russian gulags and Nazi concentration camps.

Yeah, no they didn't.

newton		2012-08-02 06:30:54 PM

1 votes:

Baby has no teeth to brush.
So make 'em drink it.

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/not sterile

BigJake		2012-08-02 05:49:24 PM

1 votes:

StoPPeRmobile: Do you even know where the flouride comes from?

If it's being added to muni water supplies, it gets added at the treatment plant. Treatment plants that agricultural water (for instance, the Colorado River water that's used in CA's Central Valley) never see. Some places it occurs naturally of course, but something like 80%-90% of our fresh water supply gets used in agriculture.

mbillips		2012-08-02 05:41:18 PM

1 votes:

ZipSplat: LOL, yeah, this site doesn't even pass the first step of the smell test.

[puu.sh image 232x259]

Fine, here's the original study. Just because nutjobs go on and on about fluoride doesn't mean it can't have undocumented deleterious health effects. Science, people. Let go of your prejudices and review the factual evidence.

/Cost-benefit. Do slightly dumber kids outweigh the vast increase in dental health? Tooth decay doesn't just cause painful eating; it can cause heart disease.

BigJake		2012-08-02 05:29:20 PM

1 votes:

Sir Not Sure The Unscannable: (hint: the food's made and grown with the same water).

pretty sure agricultural water does not come from fluoridated municipal water supplies there guy, that would be Real Expensive

stevejovi		2012-08-02 04:55:51 PM

1 votes:

"Tin foil stock skyrocketing". Ooo, subby.... tin? Stannous fluoride? Coinky dink?

Quaker		2012-08-02 04:34:24 PM

1 votes:

dahmers love zombie: cman: Pocket Ninja: unlikely: Oh FFS. Read the Harvard article - it is all about the concentration, the amount.

In adequate concentration anything is bad for you.

This is a valid point, but I think it deliberately ignores the fact that no studies to date have really demonstrated that the chemical reagents present in jet plane contrails aren't enhancing the fluoride effect. Plus countless other extraplotables, including resonant atmospheric radiation from Fukushima, electrical transmogrification from power line clusters, and frakking, and who knows what the real long-term health effects are. It's scary stuff.

SHUT THE fark UP ASSHOLE

You are gonna trigger the Reptilian bankers to shut Fark down to withhold the truth.

Hah! I'm already in psionic contact with the Grays. They'll take care of this.

Not that I think any of that Reptillian/Gray stuff is true (I suppose even if it were I would never be able to know for sure), but treating conspiracy theories and the like in an insulting way is what allows actual conspiracies to go on. If in 1955 you said to someone, "You know, the CIA is kidnapping American and Canadian citizens and subjecting them to a variety of mind control experiments," people would have reacted with that same kind of glib disbelief. But as we later found out, they would have been wrong (Pops). Considering this kind of stuff actually happened, it makes me reconsider a lot of things that people immediately dismiss just because it sounds crazy.

earthworm2.0		2012-08-02 04:30:52 PM

1 votes:

know how I can tell there are no chemists in this thread?

ZipSplat		2012-08-02 04:27:47 PM

1 votes:

JRoo: [upload.wikimedia.org image 270x444]
You ever try to drink a glassful of these things? Keep them outta my water!

And keep yer gub'mint outta my medicare while you're at it!

JRoo		2012-08-02 04:25:39 PM

1 votes:

You ever try to drink a glassful of these things? Keep them outta my water!

Cheron		2012-08-02 04:24:08 PM

1 votes:

Do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk, ice cream? Ice cream, Mandrake? Children's ice cream!...You know when fluoridation began?...1946. 1946, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works. I first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love... Yes, a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I - I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence. I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women, er, women sense my power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, Mandrake...but I do deny them my essence.

Salem Witch		2012-08-02 04:23:02 PM

1 votes:

BAHAHAHAHAHA!

I read that as "Florida shown to lower IQ."

ProfessorOhki		2012-08-02 04:22:14 PM

1 votes:

You know, I believe that fluorinating ;eads to a drop in IQ. Evidence: Floridians.

ZipSplat		2012-08-02 04:21:57 PM

1 votes:

LOL, yeah, this site doesn't even pass the first step of the smell test.

puu.sh

oldfarthenry		2012-08-02 04:16:23 PM

1 votes:

Then how come every other Brit ISN'T a friggin' genius, Smart-Ass?

MaudlinMutantMollusk		2012-08-02 04:05:12 PM

1 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: cman: Did you know that sun rays can result in skin cancer?

Did you know that dihydrogen monoxide, a substance found on every corner of our planet, can kill you? FFS, it's even in the food we eat.

Wait a minute.... how do you find corners on a round planet?

/I ain't fallin' for that one again

RexTalionis		2012-08-02 03:50:26 PM

1 votes:

You're not supposed to eat a tube of toothpaste, you morons.

vpb		2012-08-02 02:05:38 PM

1 votes:

All you have to do is purge your impure precious bodily fluids on a regular basis.

unlikely		2012-08-02 02:04:40 PM

1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: unlikely: Oh FFS. Read the Harvard article - it is all about the concentration, the amount.

In adequate concentration anything is bad for you.

This is a valid point, but I think it deliberately ignores the fact that no studies to date have really demonstrated that the chemical reagents present in jet plane contrails aren't enhancing the fluoride effect. Plus countless other extraplotables, including resonant atmospheric radiation from Fukushima, electrical transmogrification from power line clusters, and frakking, and who knows what the real long-term health effects are. It's scary stuff.

Jesus, I hadn't considered that.

Plus I never even considered the goddamn vaccines. COW pox? They shot me full of COW POX when I was a kid?

You can filter the water, but how am I supposed to filter out the radiation?