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2012-08-02 12:44:57 PM  
Oh FFS. Read the Harvard article - it is all about the concentration, the amount.

In adequate concentration anything is bad for you.
 
2012-08-02 01:48:00 PM  
Did you know that sun rays can result in skin cancer?
 
2012-08-02 01:49:42 PM  

unlikely: Oh FFS. Read the Harvard article - it is all about the concentration, the amount.

In adequate concentration anything is bad for you.


This is a valid point, but I think it deliberately ignores the fact that no studies to date have really demonstrated that the chemical reagents present in jet plane contrails aren't enhancing the fluoride effect. Plus countless other extraplotables, including resonant atmospheric radiation from Fukushima, electrical transmogrification from power line clusters, and frakking, and who knows what the real long-term health effects are. It's scary stuff.
 
2012-08-02 01:50:38 PM  

Pocket Ninja: extraplotables


I collected the whole set of Extraplotables when I was a kid. Even had the themed carrying case for them.
 
2012-08-02 01:51:30 PM  

Pocket Ninja: unlikely: Oh FFS. Read the Harvard article - it is all about the concentration, the amount.

In adequate concentration anything is bad for you.

This is a valid point, but I think it deliberately ignores the fact that no studies to date have really demonstrated that the chemical reagents present in jet plane contrails aren't enhancing the fluoride effect. Plus countless other extraplotables, including resonant atmospheric radiation from Fukushima, electrical transmogrification from power line clusters, and frakking, and who knows what the real long-term health effects are. It's scary stuff.


SHUT THE fark UP ASSHOLE

You are gonna trigger the Reptilian bankers to shut Fark down to withhold the truth.
 
2012-08-02 02:04:40 PM  

Pocket Ninja: unlikely: Oh FFS. Read the Harvard article - it is all about the concentration, the amount.

In adequate concentration anything is bad for you.

This is a valid point, but I think it deliberately ignores the fact that no studies to date have really demonstrated that the chemical reagents present in jet plane contrails aren't enhancing the fluoride effect. Plus countless other extraplotables, including resonant atmospheric radiation from Fukushima, electrical transmogrification from power line clusters, and frakking, and who knows what the real long-term health effects are. It's scary stuff.


Jesus, I hadn't considered that.

Plus I never even considered the goddamn vaccines. COW pox? They shot me full of COW POX when I was a kid?

You can filter the water, but how am I supposed to filter out the radiation?
 
2012-08-02 02:04:46 PM  
Flourihaters!

/Yeah. I'm coining that right here.
//got nothing.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-02 02:05:38 PM  
All you have to do is purge your impure precious bodily fluids on a regular basis.
 
2012-08-02 02:07:09 PM  

vpb: All you have to do is purge your impure precious bodily fluids on a regular basis.


Leeches and tequila is how I usually do it.
 
2012-08-02 02:07:13 PM  
I heard fluoride mitigates the effect of autism vaccinations.
 
2012-08-02 02:19:15 PM  

cman: Did you know that sun rays can result in skin cancer?


Did you know that dihydrogen monoxide, a substance found on every corner of our planet, can kill you? FFS, it's even in the food we eat.
 
2012-08-02 02:20:37 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: cman: Did you know that sun rays can result in skin cancer?

Did you know that dihydrogen monoxide, a substance found on every corner of our planet, can kill you? FFS, it's even in the food we eat.


JESUS farkING CHRIST WHAT THE fark ARE WE DOING ABOUT IT?
 
2012-08-02 02:56:11 PM  
I have to be the first one?

Very well.

blogs.ei.columbia.edu
 
2012-08-02 03:18:47 PM  

cman: Pocket Ninja: unlikely: Oh FFS. Read the Harvard article - it is all about the concentration, the amount.

In adequate concentration anything is bad for you.

This is a valid point, but I think it deliberately ignores the fact that no studies to date have really demonstrated that the chemical reagents present in jet plane contrails aren't enhancing the fluoride effect. Plus countless other extraplotables, including resonant atmospheric radiation from Fukushima, electrical transmogrification from power line clusters, and frakking, and who knows what the real long-term health effects are. It's scary stuff.

SHUT THE fark UP ASSHOLE

You are gonna trigger the Reptilian bankers to shut Fark down to withhold the truth.


Hah! I'm already in psionic contact with the Grays. They'll take care of this.
 
2012-08-02 03:50:26 PM  
You're not supposed to eat a tube of toothpaste, you morons.
 
2012-08-02 04:05:12 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: cman: Did you know that sun rays can result in skin cancer?

Did you know that dihydrogen monoxide, a substance found on every corner of our planet, can kill you? FFS, it's even in the food we eat.


Wait a minute.... how do you find corners on a round planet?

/I ain't fallin' for that one again
 
2012-08-02 04:13:47 PM  
i think they should put Seroquel in drinking water
 
2012-08-02 04:15:15 PM  
If you type "flouride lowers iq in kids" into Google you won't see any major news networks covering the story, but you will see TheKingofHate.com, the John Birch Society's website, What Doctor's Don't Tell You, Infowars, DecryptedMatrix.com and Liberty Blitzkreig all covering the story. Also, lots and lots of Youtube. Obviously, the lamestream media is failing us
 
2012-08-02 04:15:16 PM  

Aarontology: I heard fluoride mitigates the effect of autism vaccinations.


I came here to make a correlation between fluoride and autism joke but you RUINED IT, (biatch)
 
2012-08-02 04:15:46 PM  
MaudlinMutantMollusk: "Wait a minute.... how do you find corners on a round planet?"

4 ANGLES STOOD ON 4 CORNERS.

4 CORNERS ROTATE TO 16 CORNERS

WHICH EQUAL TO 4 CORNER DAYS.
 
2012-08-02 04:15:56 PM  

dahmers love zombie: cman: Pocket Ninja: unlikely: Oh FFS. Read the Harvard article - it is all about the concentration, the amount.

In adequate concentration anything is bad for you.

This is a valid point, but I think it deliberately ignores the fact that no studies to date have really demonstrated that the chemical reagents present in jet plane contrails aren't enhancing the fluoride effect. Plus countless other extraplotables, including resonant atmospheric radiation from Fukushima, electrical transmogrification from power line clusters, and frakking, and who knows what the real long-term health effects are. It's scary stuff.

SHUT THE fark UP ASSHOLE

You are gonna trigger the Reptilian bankers to shut Fark down to withhold the truth.

Hah! I'm already in psionic contact with the Grays. They'll take care of this.


I was specifically informed that Elvis was going to handle the matter.
 
2012-08-02 04:16:07 PM  

dittybopper: I have to be the first one?

Very well.


Thank you! Geez, this thread should have been done in one, then closed out.
 
2012-08-02 04:16:23 PM  
Then how come every other Brit ISN'T a friggin' genius, Smart-Ass?
 
2012-08-02 04:18:16 PM  

cman: Did you know that sun rays can result in skin cancer?


BAN THE SUN!!
 
2012-08-02 04:19:01 PM  

unlikely: Oh FFS. Read the Harvard article - it is all about the concentration, the amount.

In adequate concentration anything is bad for you.


I don't have the source at my fingertips on a heavily locked down network, but IIRC fluoride causes damage in ANY dose. And even if this were true on a negligible level, there's something to be said of the cumulative effect of drinking from a fluoride-infested water system (hint: the food's made and grown with the same water).
 
2012-08-02 04:19:05 PM  

ringersol: MaudlinMutantMollusk: "Wait a minute.... how do you find corners on a round planet?"

4 ANGLES STOOD ON 4 CORNERS.

4 CORNERS ROTATE TO 16 CORNERS

WHICH EQUAL TO 4 CORNER DAYS.


i once fell off the corner, and had to build my house with straw
but then the wolf blew it down

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-08-02 04:21:25 PM  
Hmmm, then what the hell are the trailer trash tea baggers doing that's causing them to have both low IQ and low teeth count?
 
2012-08-02 04:21:57 PM  
LOL, yeah, this site doesn't even pass the first step of the smell test.

puu.sh
 
2012-08-02 04:22:14 PM  
You know, I believe that fluorinating ;eads to a drop in IQ. Evidence: Floridians.
 
2012-08-02 04:23:02 PM  
BAHAHAHAHAHA!

I read that as "Florida shown to lower IQ."
 
2012-08-02 04:23:30 PM  

toraque: dahmers love zombie: cman: Pocket Ninja: unlikely: Oh FFS. Read the Harvard article - it is all about the concentration, the amount.

In adequate concentration anything is bad for you.

This is a valid point, but I think it deliberately ignores the fact that no studies to date have really demonstrated that the chemical reagents present in jet plane contrails aren't enhancing the fluoride effect. Plus countless other extraplotables, including resonant atmospheric radiation from Fukushima, electrical transmogrification from power line clusters, and frakking, and who knows what the real long-term health effects are. It's scary stuff.

SHUT THE fark UP ASSHOLE

You are gonna trigger the Reptilian bankers to shut Fark down to withhold the truth.

Hah! I'm already in psionic contact with the Grays. They'll take care of this.

I was specifically informed that Elvis was going to handle the matter.


We like to keep the plebes guessing.

/I've said too much already...
 
2012-08-02 04:24:08 PM  
Do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk, ice cream? Ice cream, Mandrake? Children's ice cream!...You know when fluoridation began?...1946. 1946, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works. I first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love... Yes, a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I - I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence. I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women, er, women sense my power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, Mandrake...but I do deny them my essence.
 
2012-08-02 04:25:39 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
You ever try to drink a glassful of these things? Keep them outta my water!
 
2012-08-02 04:26:33 PM  
Conspiracy you say?

This sounds like a job for Adam Jensen, Man of Peace!

/as long as it isn't a bomb...

//tired...feeling silly
 
2012-08-02 04:26:48 PM  

Salem Witch: BAHAHAHAHAHA!

I read that as "Florida shown to lower IQ."


We have actual evidence to support this though. Not so much the fluoride thing.
 
2012-08-02 04:27:47 PM  

JRoo: [upload.wikimedia.org image 270x444]
You ever try to drink a glassful of these things? Keep them outta my water!


And keep yer gub'mint outta my medicare while you're at it!
 
2012-08-02 04:28:05 PM  

cman: Pocket Ninja: unlikely: Oh FFS. Read the Harvard article - it is all about the concentration, the amount.

In adequate concentration anything is bad for you.

This is a valid point, but I think it deliberately ignores the fact that no studies to date have really demonstrated that the chemical reagents present in jet plane contrails aren't enhancing the fluoride effect. Plus countless other extraplotables, including resonant atmospheric radiation from Fukushima, electrical transmogrification from power line clusters, and frakking, and who knows what the real long-term health effects are. It's scary stuff.

SHUT THE fark UP ASSHOLE

You are gonna trigger the Reptilian bankers to shut Fark down to withhold the truth.


Drones are tracking you now so they know where to point HAARP next, but you will be okay if you buy some gold.
 
2012-08-02 04:28:19 PM  

RexTalionis: You're not supposed to eat a tube of toothpaste, you morons.


I have to ask... did they eat a tube of toothpaste because they are morons... or are they morons because they ate a tube of toothpaste?
 
2012-08-02 04:28:33 PM  
And that's the end of the whoel mess
 
2012-08-02 04:30:46 PM  
Monday, 30 July 2012 11:56 posted by FluorideFreeFlorida

Floridians, join in the effort to stop the practice of putting toxic chemicals in our tap water.

On Facebook, "click to join" in upper right hand corner
http://www.facebook.com/groups/fluoridefreeflorida/

Fluoride Free Florida
http://fluoridefreeflorida.com/join-us/
 
2012-08-02 04:30:52 PM  
know how I can tell there are no chemists in this thread?
 
2012-08-02 04:31:29 PM  
a couple of thoughts. I'm not saying it isn't/is true but some useful information would be useful.

Assuming it does lower IQ, by how much?
Is there a threshold amount where IQ isn't affected but tooth decay is attenuated? if there is how wide is the spread?
I though kids only drink pop now. wasn't soda the liquid boogie-man the other day?
 
2012-08-02 04:31:56 PM  

earthworm2.0: know how I can tell there are no chemists in this thread?


They're busy reading The Onion.
 
2012-08-02 04:34:24 PM  

dahmers love zombie: cman: Pocket Ninja: unlikely: Oh FFS. Read the Harvard article - it is all about the concentration, the amount.

In adequate concentration anything is bad for you.

This is a valid point, but I think it deliberately ignores the fact that no studies to date have really demonstrated that the chemical reagents present in jet plane contrails aren't enhancing the fluoride effect. Plus countless other extraplotables, including resonant atmospheric radiation from Fukushima, electrical transmogrification from power line clusters, and frakking, and who knows what the real long-term health effects are. It's scary stuff.

SHUT THE fark UP ASSHOLE

You are gonna trigger the Reptilian bankers to shut Fark down to withhold the truth.

Hah! I'm already in psionic contact with the Grays. They'll take care of this.


Not that I think any of that Reptillian/Gray stuff is true (I suppose even if it were I would never be able to know for sure), but treating conspiracy theories and the like in an insulting way is what allows actual conspiracies to go on. If in 1955 you said to someone, "You know, the CIA is kidnapping American and Canadian citizens and subjecting them to a variety of mind control experiments," people would have reacted with that same kind of glib disbelief. But as we later found out, they would have been wrong (Pops). Considering this kind of stuff actually happened, it makes me reconsider a lot of things that people immediately dismiss just because it sounds crazy.
 
2012-08-02 04:35:06 PM  

earthworm2.0: know how I can tell there are no chemists in this thread?


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-08-02 04:35:08 PM  

unlikely: Oh FFS. Read the Harvard article - it is all about the concentration, the amount.

In adequate concentration anything is bad for you.


Wishes?
 
2012-08-02 04:36:17 PM  
So the anti-fluoride folks are looking to cash in on the antivaxers, huh?
 
2012-08-02 04:37:09 PM  
They have flouride pills that taste like candy. You know for the kids.

/precious bodily fluids
 
2012-08-02 04:38:12 PM  
www.postavy.cz

/Fiendish fiend smiles fiendishly.
 
2012-08-02 04:38:31 PM  

Salem Witch: BAHAHAHAHAHA!

I read that as "Florida shown to lower IQ."


Now that headline I'll buy.
 
2012-08-02 04:38:31 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: earthworm2.0: know how I can tell there are no chemists in this thread?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x108]


googled that did you?
 
2012-08-02 04:40:01 PM  

JRoo: [upload.wikimedia.org image 270x444]
You ever try to drink a glassful of these things? Keep them outta my water!


Those look like a pair of D8s...

Which would be used to save against a loss in INT from a poison....

COINCIDENCE?!?
 
2012-08-02 04:40:33 PM  

Quaker: dahmers love zombie: cman: Pocket Ninja: unlikely: Oh FFS. Read the Harvard article - it is all about the concentration, the amount.

In adequate concentration anything is bad for you.

This is a valid point, but I think it deliberately ignores the fact that no studies to date have really demonstrated that the chemical reagents present in jet plane contrails aren't enhancing the fluoride effect. Plus countless other extraplotables, including resonant atmospheric radiation from Fukushima, electrical transmogrification from power line clusters, and frakking, and who knows what the real long-term health effects are. It's scary stuff.

SHUT THE fark UP ASSHOLE

You are gonna trigger the Reptilian bankers to shut Fark down to withhold the truth.

Hah! I'm already in psionic contact with the Grays. They'll take care of this.

Not that I think any of that Reptillian/Gray stuff is true (I suppose even if it were I would never be able to know for sure), but treating conspiracy theories and the like in an insulting way is what allows actual conspiracies to go on. If in 1955 you said to someone, "You know, the CIA is kidnapping American and Canadian citizens and subjecting them to a variety of mind control experiments," people would have reacted with that same kind of glib disbelief. But as we later found out, they would have been wrong (Pops). Considering this kind of stuff actually happened, it makes me reconsider a lot of things that people immediately dismiss just because it sounds crazy.


Excellent. Now you will question everything and live in fear!
 
2012-08-02 04:41:47 PM  
The Trilateral Commission has clearly been infiltrated by Wikileaks....
 
2012-08-02 04:42:59 PM  

EdVenture: Salem Witch: BAHAHAHAHAHA!

I read that as "Florida shown to lower IQ."

Now that headline I'll buy.


No shiat. I have never seen such crappy traffic for such a low population area.
 
2012-08-02 04:45:01 PM  

earthworm2.0: know how I can tell there are no chemists in this thread?


How?
 
2012-08-02 04:46:43 PM  

cman: Bathia_Mapes: cman: Did you know that sun rays can result in skin cancer?

Did you know that dihydrogen monoxide, a substance found on every corner of our planet, can kill you? FFS, it's even in the food we eat.

JESUS farkING CHRIST WHAT THE fark ARE WE DOING ABOUT IT?


dhmo.org

Amusing, even if some tl;dr it.
 
2012-08-02 04:49:16 PM  

mgshamster: earthworm2.0: know how I can tell there are no chemists in this thread?

How?


My dad is a biochemist. been working at the same place for 31 years. I asked him about the flouride in water thing. he says its harmless. the big fear is because flouride is highly reactive and can pair with lots of other stuff, and sometimes can make damgerous compounds. but the ppm that is in water is like trying to desalinate the ocean with an eyedropper. also, the flouride in water is not the same as the flouride in toothpaste. I wish I had paid better attention, i could explain it better...
 
2012-08-02 04:50:57 PM  
Brain : "I shall pollute the water supply with this DNAdefibuliser Fluoride, turning everyone into mindless slaves."
Pinky : "What about the people who drink bottled water?"
Brain : "Pinky, people who pay 5 dollars for a bottle of water are already mindless slaves."
 
2012-08-02 04:52:04 PM  

Chicken Fried Internets: cman: Bathia_Mapes: cman: Did you know that sun rays can result in skin cancer?

Did you know that dihydrogen monoxide, a substance found on every corner of our planet, can kill you? FFS, it's even in the food we eat.

JESUS farkING CHRIST WHAT THE fark ARE WE DOING ABOUT IT?

dhmo.org

Amusing, even if some tl;dr it.


so DHMO can kill you but Prozac can't

sign me up weight gain here i cum!!!
oh wait i can't cause i'm on an SSRI lol
 
2012-08-02 04:52:43 PM  
Cracked tackled this one almost a week ago:

Link

/Also, they have single-page articles now! What a brilliant innovation!
 
2012-08-02 04:53:13 PM  

earthworm2.0: mgshamster: earthworm2.0: know how I can tell there are no chemists in this thread?

How?

My dad is a biochemist. been working at the same place for 31 years. I asked him about the flouride in water thing. he says its harmless. the big fear is because flouride is highly reactive and can pair with lots of other stuff, and sometimes can make damgerous compounds. but the ppm that is in water is like trying to desalinate the ocean with an eyedropper. also, the flouride in water is not the same as the flouride in toothpaste. I wish I had paid better attention, i could explain it better...


Oh, I'm aware of fluoride. I'm a toxicologist (a chemist who focuses on toxins). I was just curious how you could tell there were no chemists in this thread.

Most people here are making fun of the conspiracy theorists, not agreeing with them.

/it has been different in other fluoride threads.
 
2012-08-02 04:54:03 PM  
This thread brings the win. Hard.
 
2012-08-02 04:55:51 PM  
"Tin foil stock skyrocketing". Ooo, subby.... tin? Stannous fluoride? Coinky dink?
 
2012-08-02 04:55:52 PM  
FTA: Most public water supplies in the United States still have the chemical added in by authorities under the guise of preventing tooth decay.

We all know the truth, don't we? They're make us dumber with the water to pave the way for our alien overlords!
 
2012-08-02 04:56:20 PM  
OK, from the abstract, it says "Results: The standardized weighted mean difference in IQ score between exposed and reference populations was -0.45 (95% CI -0.56 to -0.35) using a random-effects model. Thus, children in high fluoride areas had significantly lower IQ scores than those who lived in low fluoride areas. " Now, I'm not sure what they mean by -0.45. If that's half an IQ point, that doesn't seem like a "significant difference."

That said, it does look like the result warrants additional study but probably not regulation at this point.
 
2012-08-02 04:59:10 PM  
What they're really trying to do is calcify your pineal gland so you can't communicate with the transdimensional self-transforming machine elves. A drop in IQ is just a side effect.
 
2012-08-02 05:03:00 PM  
The opposition to fluoride in the drinking water comes straight out of the John Birch Society. It's parodied in Dr. Strangelove.
 
2012-08-02 05:03:46 PM  

mgshamster: earthworm2.0: mgshamster: earthworm2.0: know how I can tell there are no chemists in this thread?

How?

My dad is a biochemist. been working at the same place for 31 years. I asked him about the flouride in water thing. he says its harmless. the big fear is because flouride is highly reactive and can pair with lots of other stuff, and sometimes can make damgerous compounds. but the ppm that is in water is like trying to desalinate the ocean with an eyedropper. also, the flouride in water is not the same as the flouride in toothpaste. I wish I had paid better attention, i could explain it better...

Oh, I'm aware of fluoride. I'm a toxicologist (a chemist who focuses on toxins). I was just curious how you could tell there were no chemists in this thread.

Most people here are making fun of the conspiracy theorists, not agreeing with them.

/it has been different in other fluoride threads.


I have an honest question. If it doesn't do anything, why did the Nazis put it in the concentration camps' water? Really doubt it was to improve their oral health. Does anyone know why they did that?

//don't have a problem with fluoride but being that products like Paxil are derived from it, I try to watch my intake (like anything else-moderation)
 
2012-08-02 05:07:56 PM  

Millennium: So the anti-fluoride folks are looking to cash in on the antivaxers, huh?


Who knows.
These days of duplicated duplicity and double souper secret agenda, you can't tell the players w/o a scorecard.

Floridating water is such a bad idea, but not because of this.
Proper local, periodic treatment of the teeth is SO much more effective and cheaper.

See, no toxic grief, more effective and cheaper.

Did I say CHEAPER?

/so, if we are doing it wrong,,, where does the money lead?
 
2012-08-02 05:11:25 PM  

earthworm2.0: Jon iz teh kewl: earthworm2.0: know how I can tell there are no chemists in this thread?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x108]

googled that did you?


I used to collect rocks and go to gem and mineral shows.
 
2012-08-02 05:11:42 PM  

Grapple: cman: Did you know that sun rays can result in skin cancer?

BAN THE SUN!!


Impossible. It's always there.
 
2012-08-02 05:14:56 PM  

Sir Not Sure The Unscannable: Quaker: dahmers love zombie: cman: Pocket Ninja: unlikely: Oh FFS. Read the Harvard article - it is all about the concentration, the amount.

In adequate concentration anything is bad for you.

This is a valid point, but I think it deliberately ignores the fact that no studies to date have really demonstrated that the chemical reagents present in jet plane contrails aren't enhancing the fluoride effect. Plus countless other extraplotables, including resonant atmospheric radiation from Fukushima, electrical transmogrification from power line clusters, and frakking, and who knows what the real long-term health effects are. It's scary stuff.

SHUT THE fark UP ASSHOLE

You are gonna trigger the Reptilian bankers to shut Fark down to withhold the truth.

Hah! I'm already in psionic contact with the Grays. They'll take care of this.

Not that I think any of that Reptillian/Gray stuff is true (I suppose even if it were I would never be able to know for sure), but treating conspiracy theories and the like in an insulting way is what allows actual conspiracies to go on. If in 1955 you said to someone, "You know, the CIA is kidnapping American and Canadian citizens and subjecting them to a variety of mind control experiments," people would have reacted with that same kind of glib disbelief. But as we later found out, they would have been wrong (Pops). Considering this kind of stuff actually happened, it makes me reconsider a lot of things that people immediately dismiss just because it sounds crazy.

Excellent. Now you will question everything and live in fear!


That doesn't necessarily mean living in fear. You can be afraid of rational possibilities without letting it control your life. That's why we wear seat belts when we're in a car, but we don't have a panic attack over the potential for a major accident. Also, I think most people would agree that questioning everything is, unfortunately, a good policy in this day and age.

Or you could go the simpler route:
samsonblinded.org
 
2012-08-02 05:15:59 PM  

Pocket Ninja: unlikely: Oh FFS. Read the Harvard article - it is all about the concentration, the amount.

In adequate concentration anything is bad for you.

This is a valid point, but I think it deliberately ignores the fact that no studies to date have really demonstrated that the chemical reagents present in jet plane contrails aren't enhancing the fluoride effect. Plus countless other extraplotables, including resonant atmospheric radiation from Fukushima, electrical transmogrification from power line clusters, and frakking, and who knows what the real long-term health effects are. It's scary stuff.


And they forget about Orgone rays and crystal para-synchronized cleansing.

/toxins
 
2012-08-02 05:17:03 PM  
Wheres the Florida tag, subby?
 
2012-08-02 05:19:04 PM  
 
2012-08-02 05:21:03 PM  
Low IQ shown to raise panic about Fluoride.
 
2012-08-02 05:21:55 PM  
As the son of a dentist and recipient of extra fluoride treatments in addition to municipal fluoridated tap water I say potato.
 
2012-08-02 05:22:10 PM  

hugram: RexTalionis: You're not supposed to eat a tube of toothpaste, you morons.

I have to ask... did they eat a tube of toothpaste because they are morons... or are they morons because they ate a tube of toothpaste?


whoa...that's deep.

/moran
 
2012-08-02 05:24:36 PM  

caddisfly: As the son of a dentist and recipient of extra fluoride treatments in addition to municipal fluoridated tap water I say potato.


Wait to you have to have maintenance done on that dental work in years to come.

/Pissed they didn't have that teeth sealer when I was a kid
 
2012-08-02 05:27:16 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Low IQ shown to raise panic about Fluoride.


Noice
 
2012-08-02 05:29:20 PM  

Sir Not Sure The Unscannable: (hint: the food's made and grown with the same water).


pretty sure agricultural water does not come from fluoridated municipal water supplies there guy, that would be Real Expensive
 
2012-08-02 05:30:32 PM  
I swear to god I thought the headline said "Florida shown to lower IQ" and I thought yep, that's about right.
 
2012-08-02 05:32:13 PM  

vpb: All you have to do is purge your impure precious bodily fluids on a regular basis.


Don't avoid the company of women. Just deny them your essence.
 
2012-08-02 05:35:08 PM  

Salem Witch: I read that as "Florida shown to lower IQ."


You're thinking of Floridization.
 
2012-08-02 05:36:37 PM  

BigJake: Sir Not Sure The Unscannable: (hint: the food's made and grown with the same water).

pretty sure agricultural water does not come from fluoridated municipal water supplies there guy, that would be Real Expensive


Do you even know where the flouride comes from?
 
2012-08-02 05:37:29 PM  

rhondajeremy: If it doesn't do anything, why did the Nazis put it in the concentration camps' water?


I've never heard that before. Smells like bullshiat.
/does some googling
Yup. Bullshiat
 
2012-08-02 05:38:33 PM  
just so the rest of you can read it how i read that headline at first glance:

img1.fark.net shown to lower IQ. Tin foil stock skyrocketing
 
2012-08-02 05:38:49 PM  
I can't believe how ill-informed the public is to an unnatural toxin that is put into our water supply. This wasn't written by 'some guy' either... I like this website, but this post actually makes me really mad.

First off, if we really do live in a free market(which we don't), go buy your own fluoride and put it in your own water! Talk about socialism.... and someone is making a profit selling that fluoride, which is fascism too! awesome....

Second, fluoride isn't natural, it comes from the process of smelting bauxite into aluminum...

Third, fluoride is used in pesticides and other types of poisons. The same poison control telephone number is on toothpaste that is on pesticides.

Fourth, it was used as a sedative in Russian gulags and Nazi concentration camps.

Fifth, they are finding that too much fluoride actually CAUSES cavities, as well as kills flora in your stomach.

Last, fluoride kills living matter on contact... if it is only for your teeth, why do you need to drink it? Why is it added to BABY water? If a baby doesn't have teeth... or has baby teeth that will fall out, why do they need it????

Americans have been propagandized to so much that they can't be propagandized to, that they don't see propaganda anymore.... Just what they are told to believe because it's true. Nobody does their homework, they just assume things are true and spout off something idiotic like "the sun causes cancer too." Well, some things are many thousands of times worse than the sun, so you have to pick your battles.

"The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them." George Orwell
 
2012-08-02 05:39:20 PM  
and now i see i wasn't the only one
nice
 
2012-08-02 05:41:18 PM  

ZipSplat: LOL, yeah, this site doesn't even pass the first step of the smell test.

[puu.sh image 232x259]


Fine, here's the original study. Just because nutjobs go on and on about fluoride doesn't mean it can't have undocumented deleterious health effects. Science, people. Let go of your prejudices and review the factual evidence.

/Cost-benefit. Do slightly dumber kids outweigh the vast increase in dental health? Tooth decay doesn't just cause painful eating; it can cause heart disease.
 
2012-08-02 05:46:52 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: OK, from the abstract, it says "Results: The standardized weighted mean difference in IQ score between exposed and reference populations was -0.45 (95% CI -0.56 to -0.35) using a random-effects model. Thus, children in high fluoride areas had significantly lower IQ scores than those who lived in low fluoride areas. " Now, I'm not sure what they mean by -0.45. If that's half an IQ point, that doesn't seem like a "significant difference."

That said, it does look like the result warrants additional study but probably not regulation at this point.


I was wondering that myself. It looks like minus 45 percent to me, which is REALLY significant. But it may be some kinda linear bell curve scale.
 
2012-08-02 05:49:24 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Do you even know where the flouride comes from?


If it's being added to muni water supplies, it gets added at the treatment plant. Treatment plants that agricultural water (for instance, the Colorado River water that's used in CA's Central Valley) never see. Some places it occurs naturally of course, but something like 80%-90% of our fresh water supply gets used in agriculture.
 
2012-08-02 05:49:36 PM  
FTA "This is the 24th study that has found this association"

yeah, real tinfoil stuff...
 
2012-08-02 05:51:04 PM  
Is this somehow correlated to the popularity of "Fifty Shade of Grey"?
 
2012-08-02 05:51:16 PM  

BigJake: StoPPeRmobile: Do you even know where the flouride comes from?

If it's being added to muni water supplies, it gets added at the treatment plant. Treatment plants that agricultural water (for instance, the Colorado River water that's used in CA's Central Valley) never see. Some places it occurs naturally of course, but something like 80%-90% of our fresh water supply gets used in agriculture.


But... But... they tell us that not leaving the tap on when I brush my teeth will save all the water needed to reforest the sahara and feed the world!
 
2012-08-02 05:55:02 PM  

dready zim: But... But... they tell us that not leaving the tap on when I brush my teeth will save all the water needed to reforest the sahara and feed the world!


Yeah, that's crap. But when there's a supply crunch every little bit helps, especially since during times of drought the supplies for agriculture need to INCREASE. Which is why we all shouldn't be wasting our water if we like to eat.
 
2012-08-02 05:56:53 PM  
I mis-read the headline as "Florida shown to lower IQ." Now I'll have to come up with another explanation for my ex-in-laws.
 
2012-08-02 05:57:58 PM  
Heh, heh, heh. "Fluori-duh".
 
2012-08-02 05:58:20 PM  

quantumtheo: I can't believe how ill-informed the public is to an unnatural toxin that is put into our water supply.


Chlorine, an unnatural toxin so dangerous in large amounts that it was used as a poison gas during World War I, is also put into our water supply (in small amounts). The idea is to prevent cholera, a disease that killed tens of millions of people around the world in the ~century after 1831. Should we remove chlorine from our water, too?
 
2012-08-02 05:58:30 PM  
Has anyone mentioned that they misread the headline yet?
 
2012-08-02 06:03:27 PM  
Meh, so does eating tofu*

*Men eating tofu, that is.
 
2012-08-02 06:07:50 PM  

ProfessorOhki: You know, I believe that fluorinating ;eads to a drop in IQ. Evidence: Floridians.


What a difference a letter makes.

FluoriDation = Adding fluoride, usually in the form of salt, to something.
FluoriNation = Treating something with hydrogen fluoride or elemental fluorine.

If they're fluorinating our water supply, potentially lower IQs are the least of our worries.
 
2012-08-02 06:11:48 PM  

oldfarthenry: Then how come every other Brit ISN'T a friggin' genius, Smart-Ass?


They recycle all of there toxic trash in their sausages.
 
2012-08-02 06:27:11 PM  
LOL - I read that as Florida shown to lower IQ...

/ oddly enough, headline still made sense.
 
2012-08-02 06:30:39 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: The opposition to fluoride in the drinking water comes straight out of the John Birch Society. It's parodied in Dr. Strangelove.


Didn't click the link. Checked the URL. Googled "thenewamerican.com".

The New American | Home
www.thenewamerican.com/Share
Magazine of the John Birch Society, providing in-depth reporting on U.S. and worldwide issues and events. Includes weekly features, back issue archive, and ...
 
2012-08-02 06:30:54 PM  
Baby has no teeth to brush.
So make 'em drink it.

img839.imageshack.us

/not sterile
 
2012-08-02 06:32:34 PM  

earthworm2.0: know how I can tell there are no chemists in this thread?


Quit being so electronegative.
 
2012-08-02 06:32:50 PM  

Quaker: dahmers love zombie: cman: Pocket Ninja: unlikely: Oh FFS. Read the Harvard article - it is all about the concentration, the amount.

In adequate concentration anything is bad for you.

This is a valid point, but I think it deliberately ignores the fact that no studies to date have really demonstrated that the chemical reagents present in jet plane contrails aren't enhancing the fluoride effect. Plus countless other extraplotables, including resonant atmospheric radiation from Fukushima, electrical transmogrification from power line clusters, and frakking, and who knows what the real long-term health effects are. It's scary stuff.

SHUT THE fark UP ASSHOLE

You are gonna trigger the Reptilian bankers to shut Fark down to withhold the truth.

Hah! I'm already in psionic contact with the Grays. They'll take care of this.

Not that I think any of that Reptillian/Gray stuff is true (I suppose even if it were I would never be able to know for sure), but treating conspiracy theories and the like in an insulting way is what allows actual conspiracies to go on. If in 1955 you said to someone, "You know, the CIA is kidnapping American and Canadian citizens and subjecting them to a variety of mind control experiments," people would have reacted with that same kind of glib disbelief. But as we later found out, they would have been wrong (Pops). Considering this kind of stuff actually happened, it makes me reconsider a lot of things that people immediately dismiss just because it sounds crazy.


But then you won't get that warm sense of self superiority.
 
2012-08-02 06:34:31 PM  

rhondajeremy: mgshamster: earthworm2.0: mgshamster: earthworm2.0: know how I can tell there are no chemists in this thread?

How?

My dad is a biochemist. been working at the same place for 31 years. I asked him about the flouride in water thing. he says its harmless. the big fear is because flouride is highly reactive and can pair with lots of other stuff, and sometimes can make damgerous compounds. but the ppm that is in water is like trying to desalinate the ocean with an eyedropper. also, the flouride in water is not the same as the flouride in toothpaste. I wish I had paid better attention, i could explain it better...

Oh, I'm aware of fluoride. I'm a toxicologist (a chemist who focuses on toxins). I was just curious how you could tell there were no chemists in this thread.

Most people here are making fun of the conspiracy theorists, not agreeing with them.

/it has been different in other fluoride threads.

I have an honest question. If it doesn't do anything, why did the Nazis put it in the concentration camps' water? Really doubt it was to improve their oral health. Does anyone know why they did that?

//don't have a problem with fluoride but being that products like Paxil are derived from it, I try to watch my intake (like anything else-moderation)


I haven't heard that before. Many thanks to Google, it turns out to be a myth.

Truth about fluoride doesn't include Nazi myth (Read the whole thing, the first few paragraphs can be misleading).
 
2012-08-02 06:50:03 PM  

quantumtheo: Second, fluoride isn't natural, it comes from the process of smelting bauxite into aluminum...


Yes it is. It also happens to occur around bauxite. Let's assume for a second that it isn't naturally occurring, why would you make the assumption that because it's part of another manufacturing process, it must be bad for you?

quantumtheo: Third, fluoride is used in pesticides and other types of poisons. The same poison control telephone number is on toothpaste that is on pesticides.


So is water. And a number of other perfectly safe chemicals. Are you going to stop eating peppers because capsaicin is used in some pesticides?

And why wouldn't the same phone number be on both products? Do you think they have different poison control centers for each threat? The number isn't on toothpaste specifically because of the fluoride, it's there because the entire mix of chemicals could potentially be harmful if you eat the entire tube.

quantumtheo: Fourth, it was used as a sedative in Russian gulags and Nazi concentration camps.


Yeah, no they didn't.
 
2012-08-02 06:50:08 PM  

mgshamster: rhondajeremy: mgshamster: earthworm2.0: mgshamster: earthworm2.0: know how I can tell there are no chemists in this thread?

How?

My dad is a biochemist. been working at the same place for 31 years. I asked him about the flouride in water thing. he says its harmless. the big fear is because flouride is highly reactive and can pair with lots of other stuff, and sometimes can make damgerous compounds. but the ppm that is in water is like trying to desalinate the ocean with an eyedropper. also, the flouride in water is not the same as the flouride in toothpaste. I wish I had paid better attention, i could explain it better...

Oh, I'm aware of fluoride. I'm a toxicologist (a chemist who focuses on toxins). I was just curious how you could tell there were no chemists in this thread.

Most people here are making fun of the conspiracy theorists, not agreeing with them.

/it has been different in other fluoride threads.

I have an honest question. If it doesn't do anything, why did the Nazis put it in the concentration camps' water? Really doubt it was to improve their oral health. Does anyone know why they did that?

//don't have a problem with fluoride but being that products like Paxil are derived from it, I try to watch my intake (like anything else-moderation)

I haven't heard that before. Many thanks to Google, it turns out to be a myth.

Truth about fluoride doesn't include Nazi myth (Read the whole thing, the first few paragraphs can be misleading).


Just googled it too and yeah, it's a myth for sure. I have just heard many people talk about it and was feeling lazy.
 
2012-08-02 06:50:20 PM  

hugram: Hmmm, then what the hell are the trailer trash tea baggers doing that's causing them to have both low IQ and low teeth count?


Meth
 
2012-08-02 06:54:27 PM  

BigJake: dready zim: But... But... they tell us that not leaving the tap on when I brush my teeth will save all the water needed to reforest the sahara and feed the world!

Yeah, that's crap. But when there's a supply crunch every little bit helps, especially since during times of drought the supplies for agriculture need to INCREASE. Which is why we all shouldn't be wasting our water if we like to eat.


So stop the suburban sprawl.
 
2012-08-02 06:56:31 PM  

Salem Witch: BAHAHAHAHAHA!

I read that as "Florida shown to lower IQ."


I did to and I live here. I was about to be outraged at subby.
 
2012-08-02 07:02:41 PM  
Fluoride is bad. This is why the label of the toothpaste tube says to not swallow it! My city doesn't poison the public water but that hasn't stopped certain people from trying to vote the poison into the water.
 
2012-08-02 07:04:50 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: So stop the suburban sprawl.


you say that like I suggested something be done that you didn't like
 
2012-08-02 07:06:49 PM  

earthworm2.0: mgshamster: earthworm2.0: know how I can tell there are no chemists in this thread?

How?

My dad is a biochemist. been working at the same place for 31 years. I asked him about the flouride in water thing. he says its harmless. the big fear is because flouride is highly reactive and can pair with lots of other stuff, and sometimes can make damgerous compounds. but the ppm that is in water is like trying to desalinate the ocean with an eyedropper. also, the flouride in water is not the same as the flouride in toothpaste. I wish I had paid better attention, i could explain it better...


Why would you ask something and then not pay attention to the answer?
 
2012-08-02 07:09:10 PM  

quantumtheo: Second, fluoride isn't natural, it comes from the process of smelting bauxite into aluminum...


Wait, so the 9th element on the periodic table of elements is unnatural? Someone tell the chemists!

StoPPeRmobile: BigJake: dready zim: But... But... they tell us that not leaving the tap on when I brush my teeth will save all the water needed to reforest the sahara and feed the world!

Yeah, that's crap. But when there's a supply crunch every little bit helps, especially since during times of drought the supplies for agriculture need to INCREASE. Which is why we all shouldn't be wasting our water if we like to eat.

So stop the suburban sprawl.


Tell that to the developers. :/

/My home town was once rated in the top ten cities in the US for empty new office buildings, and there was still constant construction for office development throughout the next few years.
//Until the 08 crash.
 
2012-08-02 07:09:21 PM  
Burr

Conspiracy you say?

This sounds like a job for Adam Jensen, Man of Peace!

/as long as it isn't a bomb...

//tired...feeling silly


Don't forget: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYpuzHyEY8Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoFe8hRy42o

Chrome ate my ability to add links correctly, my apologies for the copy paste.
 
2012-08-02 07:13:07 PM  
Wat? My tooths r preferct.
 
2012-08-02 07:14:07 PM  

mbillips: Mr. Eugenides: OK, from the abstract, it says "Results: The standardized weighted mean difference in IQ score between exposed and reference populations was -0.45 (95% CI -0.56 to -0.35) using a random-effects model. Thus, children in high fluoride areas had significantly lower IQ scores than those who lived in low fluoride areas. " Now, I'm not sure what they mean by -0.45. If that's half an IQ point, that doesn't seem like a "significant difference."

That said, it does look like the result warrants additional study but probably not regulation at this point.

I was wondering that myself. It looks like minus 45 percent to me, which is REALLY significant. But it may be some kinda linear bell curve scale.


Ahh! IQ is a a Bell curve with a mean of 100 and a Standard Deviation of 15. So if it's .45 of a StdDv that would be about 7 points which is fairly significant.
 
2012-08-02 07:30:03 PM  

PlatypusPuke: earthworm2.0: mgshamster: earthworm2.0: know how I can tell there are no chemists in this thread?

How?

My dad is a biochemist. been working at the same place for 31 years. I asked him about the flouride in water thing. he says its harmless. the big fear is because flouride is highly reactive and can pair with lots of other stuff, and sometimes can make damgerous compounds. but the ppm that is in water is like trying to desalinate the ocean with an eyedropper. also, the flouride in water is not the same as the flouride in toothpaste. I wish I had paid better attention, i could explain it better...

Why would you ask something and then not pay attention to the answer?


have you ever met a woman or a teenager?
 
2012-08-02 07:42:34 PM  
One of the mysteries of ALS is why it is more commonly diagnosed in athletes and firefighters. I was having a conversation about this with a top ALS researcher and one of the possibilities we discussed was that both athletes and firefighters drink much more water than normal people (those guys that fight wildfires drink many gallons per day). So, because ALS is a disease of the nervous system, the next question is what neurotoxins are in water? It's worth looking into the flouride possibility, but good luck getting the government to fund the study of this when it's the government putting the neurotoxin in the water in the first place.
 
2012-08-02 07:46:54 PM  
what's wrong with having a low ICQ number

www.inquisitr.com
 
2012-08-02 07:48:03 PM  

Triumph: One of the mysteries of ALS is why it is more commonly diagnosed in athletes and firefighters. I was having a conversation about this with a top ALS researcher and one of the possibilities we discussed was that both athletes and firefighters drink much more water than normal people (those guys that fight wildfires drink many gallons per day). So, because ALS is a disease of the nervous system, the next question is what neurotoxins are in water? It's worth looking into the flouride possibility, but good luck getting the government to fund the study of this when it's the government putting the neurotoxin in the water in the first place.


Seems to me that athletes are more prone to injury and might seek medical attention more often. Wonder how true that is.
 
2012-08-02 08:03:52 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Seems to me that athletes are more prone to injury and might seek medical attention more often. Wonder how true that is.


There's also the brain trauma thing with athletes. I think there was a claim in the NYT that 12 NFL players diagnosed with ALS really had CTE, a brain trauma disease. But O.J. Brigance, Steve Gleason, Kevin Turner and some other NFL guys have been diagnosed with ALS pretty definitively, I think. Obviously, the knocks they took to the head are going to be viewed far more suspiciously than the water they drank.
 
2012-08-02 08:04:54 PM  
Gee, why don't people just pull out the nice double-blind clinical studies which prove that fluoride is safe and effective? What do you mean there aren't any? What do you mean that recent studies show no difference in cavity rates between fluoridated and non-fluoridated water supplies?

Link
 
2012-08-02 08:08:51 PM  
Be sure to use genuine Tin Foil. Aluminum foil has much too low conductivity to provide proper protection. Gold foil is much more conductive, but is usually too thick to maintain a safe, strong shield.
 
2012-08-02 08:09:31 PM  

Triumph: StoPPeRmobile: Seems to me that athletes are more prone to injury and might seek medical attention more often. Wonder how true that is.

There's also the brain trauma thing with athletes. I think there was a claim in the NYT that 12 NFL players diagnosed with ALS really had CTE, a brain trauma disease. But O.J. Brigance, Steve Gleason, Kevin Turner and some other NFL guys have been diagnosed with ALS pretty definitively, I think. Obviously, the knocks they took to the head are going to be viewed far more suspiciously than the water they drank.


Interesting.
 
2012-08-02 08:11:00 PM  
Did you know that people regularly put an explosive soft metal and a poisonous green gas onto their food?
 
2012-08-02 08:23:34 PM  

JRoo: [upload.wikimedia.org image 270x444]
You ever try to drink a glassful of these things? Keep them outta my water!


images2.wikia.nocookie.net

My God, Jim! Those are pure DILITHIUM CRYSTALS!!!

/they are but common stones on my world...
 
2012-08-02 08:36:33 PM  
It's hard to take the EHP study seriously when they admit that the studies the used were "generally of insufficient" quality. The authors even mention that some of the studies have "serious" deficiencies. That might not be a big deal but when your final tally is just 27 studies, having such problems is a big deal.

Speaking of which, I enjoy how they didn't even try to justify their usage of the DerSimonian and Laird method of random effects estimation. The same method that has notoriously bad small sample size asymptotics. Even DerSimonian and Laird suggest not using their method with small sample sizes.

Since there are obviously serious omitted variable bias (heterogeneity of ~80%?!) problems its hard to put any faith in their results at all. I mean their results are almost guaranteed to be an outer bound on Flouride effects. And that's ignoring the nearly halved effect when they removed the studies that also included Arsenic and Iodine exposure as well.

Disappointing study is disappointing.
 
2012-08-02 08:42:41 PM  
So that's why no one can recreate the 100mpg carburetor.
 
2012-08-02 08:44:33 PM  
So, don't ever brush your teeth and only drink soda kids.
 
2012-08-02 08:49:38 PM  

lewismarktwo: So, don't ever brush your teeth and only drink soda kids.


If fluoride really prevented tooth decay, do you think dentists would push it so hard? Ask yourself this: are there MORE or FEWER dentists per capita now than when fluoridation of water began?
 
2012-08-02 08:52:05 PM  

quantumtheo: I can't believe how ill-informed the public is to an unnatural toxin that is put into our water supply. This wasn't written by 'some guy' either... I like this website, but this post actually makes me really mad.

First off, if we really do live in a free market(which we don't), go buy your own fluoride and put it in your own water! Talk about socialism.... and someone is making a profit selling that fluoride, which is fascism too! awesome....

Second, fluoride isn't natural, it comes from the process of smelting bauxite into aluminum...

Third, fluoride is used in pesticides and other types of poisons. The same poison control telephone number is on toothpaste that is on pesticides.

Fourth, it was used as a sedative in Russian gulags and Nazi concentration camps.

Fifth, they are finding that too much fluoride actually CAUSES cavities, as well as kills flora in your stomach.

Last, fluoride kills living matter on contact... if it is only for your teeth, why do you need to drink it? Why is it added to BABY water? If a baby doesn't have teeth... or has baby teeth that will fall out, why do they need it????

Americans have been propagandized to so much that they can't be propagandized to, that they don't see propaganda anymore.... Just what they are told to believe because it's true. Nobody does their homework, they just assume things are true and spout off something idiotic like "the sun causes cancer too." Well, some things are many thousands of times worse than the sun, so you have to pick your battles.

"The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them." George Orwell



So how come my water has naturally occurring Fluoride?
 
2012-08-02 08:54:11 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Did you know that people regularly put an explosive soft metal and a poisonous green gas onto their food?


I'd stay away from piperine too, given that's a natural insecticide.
 
2012-08-02 08:56:55 PM  
untaken_name

Seriously. Flouride is a good thing. Dentists support it because they are actively wanting good oral hygiene. Flouride = good.

People who attack flouride, to me, sound like the same people who claim autism and vaccines are related.

Pants on head silly position. Flouride, is good.
 
2012-08-02 08:59:30 PM  

unlikely: Pocket Ninja: unlikely: Oh FFS. Read the Harvard article - it is all about the concentration, the amount.

In adequate concentration anything is bad for you.

This is a valid point, but I think it deliberately ignores the fact that no studies to date have really demonstrated that the chemical reagents present in jet plane contrails aren't enhancing the fluoride effect. Plus countless other extraplotables, including resonant atmospheric radiation from Fukushima, electrical transmogrification from power line clusters, and frakking, and who knows what the real long-term health effects are. It's scary stuff.

Jesus, I hadn't considered that.

Plus I never even considered the goddamn vaccines. COW pox? They shot me full of COW POX when I was a kid?

You can filter the water, but how am I supposed to filter out the radiation?


Rad-X. If that fails, use Rad-Away.
 
2012-08-02 09:02:26 PM  

unlikely: Oh FFS. Read the Harvard article - it is all about the concentration, the amount.

In adequate concentration anything is bad for you.


Name the pharmacist that would administer unknown amounts of a drug in a populations drinking water and then come to my house so I slap some sense into you.
 
2012-08-02 09:07:52 PM  
The main ingredient in rat poison is sodium fluoride.

Google Stalin, Hitler and Fluoride in one search.

Then Google Fluoride, Edward Bernays and Alcoa

Before you scoff, get some info.

Ignorant and stupid is no way to go through life, even if you are an American Idiot.

If you think Fluoride is safe, swallow a big dollop tooth paste and let me know how that turns out.
 
2012-08-02 09:16:22 PM  

Eapoe6: The main ingredient in rat poison is sodium fluoride.

Google Stalin, Hitler and Fluoride in one search.

Then Google Fluoride, Edward Bernays and Alcoa

Before you scoff, get some info.

Ignorant and stupid is no way to go through life, even if you are an American Idiot.

If you think Fluoride is safe, swallow a big dollop tooth paste and let me know how that turns out.


You are a liar. And you should feel bad.
 
2012-08-02 09:20:16 PM  
Good rule of thumb: if someone is discussing flouridation and says anything like "alleged dental benefits", it's a good indicator they don't know what they're talking about.
 
2012-08-02 09:22:02 PM  

JWideman: Good rule of thumb: if someone is discussing flouridation and says anything like "alleged dental benefits", it's a good indicator they don't know what they're talking about.


27.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-08-02 09:26:02 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: mbillips: Mr. Eugenides: OK, from the abstract, it says "Results: The standardized weighted mean difference in IQ score between exposed and reference populations was -0.45 (95% CI -0.56 to -0.35) using a random-effects model. Thus, children in high fluoride areas had significantly lower IQ scores than those who lived in low fluoride areas. " Now, I'm not sure what they mean by -0.45. If that's half an IQ point, that doesn't seem like a "significant difference."

That said, it does look like the result warrants additional study but probably not regulation at this point.

I was wondering that myself. It looks like minus 45 percent to me, which is REALLY significant. But it may be some kinda linear bell curve scale.

Ahh! IQ is a a Bell curve with a mean of 100 and a Standard Deviation of 15. So if it's .45 of a StdDv that would be about 7 points which is fairly significant.


Without RTFA and merely looking at the quote, they're talking about a difference of .45 IQ points between populations with high and low fluoridation. They're using significant in the statistical sense, which has a specific meaning. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_significance
 
2012-08-02 09:27:30 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: cman: Did you know that sun rays can result in skin cancer?

Did you know that dihydrogen monoxide, a substance found on every corner of our planet, can kill you? FFS, it's even in the food we eat.


good thing I drink pure, unfiltered, distilled water.
 
2012-08-02 09:33:18 PM  

Eapoe6: The main ingredient in rat poison is sodium fluoride.


Are you talking about sodium fluoroacetate? I don't see any evidence that sodium fluoride is the main ingredient in rat poison.

If you think Fluoride is safe, swallow a big dollop tooth paste and let me know how that turns out.

Nothing is safe in too large a quantity. You can kill yourself by drinking too much water.
 
2012-08-02 09:37:04 PM  

Acharne: untaken_name

Seriously. Flouride is a good thing. Dentists support it because they are actively wanting good oral hygiene. Flouride = good.

People who attack flouride, to me, sound like the same people who claim autism and vaccines are related.

Pants on head silly position. Flouride, is good.


Then you should certainly be able to cite a double-blind study with decent methodology which supports your position. Shouldn't you?
 
2012-08-02 09:41:51 PM  
Water intoxication is death by water. What else are liberals trying to force down our throats?

This is why only soft drinks should be consumed.

/derp
 
2012-08-02 09:48:15 PM  

DIGITALgimpus: Water intoxication is death by water. What else are liberals trying to force down our throats?

This is why only soft drinks should be consumed.

/derp


caffeine is SOO AWESOME
ITS TEH DRINK OF TEH GODS!!
 
2012-08-02 09:49:54 PM  
did the study account for the state of US Education?
 
2012-08-02 09:53:13 PM  

Quaker: Sir Not Sure The Unscannable: Quaker: dahmers love zombie: cman: Pocket Ninja: unlikely: Oh FFS. Read the Harvard article - it is all about the concentration, the amount.

In adequate concentration anything is bad for you.

This is a valid point, but I think it deliberately ignores the fact that no studies to date have really demonstrated that the chemical reagents present in jet plane contrails aren't enhancing the fluoride effect. Plus countless other extraplotables, including resonant atmospheric radiation from Fukushima, electrical transmogrification from power line clusters, and frakking, and who knows what the real long-term health effects are. It's scary stuff.

SHUT THE fark UP ASSHOLE

You are gonna trigger the Reptilian bankers to shut Fark down to withhold the truth.

Hah! I'm already in psionic contact with the Grays. They'll take care of this.

Not that I think any of that Reptillian/Gray stuff is true (I suppose even if it were I would never be able to know for sure), but treating conspiracy theories and the like in an insulting way is what allows actual conspiracies to go on. If in 1955 you said to someone, "You know, the CIA is kidnapping American and Canadian citizens and subjecting them to a variety of mind control experiments," people would have reacted with that same kind of glib disbelief. But as we later found out, they would have been wrong (Pops). Considering this kind of stuff actually happened, it makes me reconsider a lot of things that people immediately dismiss just because it sounds crazy.

Excellent. Now you will question everything and live in fear!

That doesn't necessarily mean living in fear. You can be afraid of rational possibilities without letting it control your life. That's why we wear seat belts when we're in a car, but we don't have a panic attack over the potential for a major accident. Also, I think most people would agree that questioning everything is, unfortunately, a good policy in this day and age.


THIS

To paraphrase Noam Chomsky: the term "conspiracy theory" is thrown about to arbitrarily discourage institutional analysis.
 
2012-08-02 09:53:32 PM  
untaken_name

Considering the study you linked is from the scientific equivalent of Geocities Jim and his Chemtrails theories, I don't really feel I have to. I know you're smart, I have your fav'ed. But. Seriously? Anti flouride? If you want the studies, someone did us the courtesy of condensing the issue.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation_controversy
 
2012-08-02 10:13:34 PM  
in a few generations your descendants will be hopped up on the Brawndo so what's the difference?

/it's got electrolytes
 
2012-08-02 10:14:42 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: cman: Did you know that sun rays can result in skin cancer?

Did you know that dihydrogen monoxide, a substance found on every corner of our planet, can kill you? FFS, it's even in the food we eat.


I've heard of that stuff. The CDC said it kills about 4000 people in the US annually. It also seems to have something to do with the Y chromosome, as 80% of the victims are male. Worst of all, the FDA doesn't even require companies to label it in the ingredients.
 
2012-08-02 10:22:37 PM  

SanjiSasuke: Bathia_Mapes: cman: Did you know that sun rays can result in skin cancer?

Did you know that dihydrogen monoxide, a substance found on every corner of our planet, can kill you? FFS, it's even in the food we eat.

I've heard of that stuff. The CDC said it kills about 4000 people in the US annually. It also seems to have something to do with the Y chromosome, as 80% of the victims are male. Worst of all, the FDA doesn't even require companies to label it in the ingredients.


Although from time to time it is labelled, but as aqua. Such deception!
 
2012-08-02 11:03:01 PM  

Eapoe6:

Ignorant and stupid is no way to go through life, even if you are an American Idiot.

I'll take your word for it.

If you think Fluoride is safe, swallow a big dollop tooth paste and let me know how that turns out.

No thanks. The label on the tube that I have says not to.
 
2012-08-02 11:23:28 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: OK, from the abstract, it says "Results: The standardized weighted mean difference in IQ score between exposed and reference populations was -0.45 (95% CI -0.56 to -0.35) using a random-effects model. Thus, children in high fluoride areas had significantly lower IQ scores than those who lived in low fluoride areas. " Now, I'm not sure what they mean by -0.45. If that's half an IQ point, that doesn't seem like a "significant difference."

That said, it does look like the result warrants additional study but probably not regulation at this point.


It means "statistically significant" - in other words, they're 95% confident that the difference observed between populations occurs because of an underlying difference, instead of random sampling effects.
 
2012-08-02 11:45:07 PM  

hugram: RexTalionis: You're not supposed to eat a tube of toothpaste, you morons.

I have to ask... did they eat a tube of toothpaste because they are morons... or are they morons because they ate a tube of toothpaste?


I kind of imagine that you have to not be very smart to begin with, to eat a tube of toothpaste.
 
2012-08-02 11:53:21 PM  
Well no shiat Sherlock.

That's why governments do it. Why would you want the masses to be able to think for themselves, you just need a bunch of dumb drones that work for you until they die.
 
2012-08-03 12:15:53 AM  

rhondajeremy: I have an honest question. If it doesn't do anything, why did the Nazis put it in the concentration camps' water? Really doubt it was to improve their oral health. Does anyone know why they did that?

//don't have a problem with fluoride but being that products like Paxil are derived from it, I try to watch my intake (like anything else-moderation)


Um, yeah, about that.

I'm having a little trouble accepting that your question is honest. If you are trolling, this would be a good time to fess up. Because the alternative conclusion is even less flattering.
 
2012-08-03 12:26:01 AM  

quantumtheo: Nobody does their homework, they just assume things are true and spout off something idiotic


You mean like how there's a poison control phone number on toothpaste? How hard would that have been to research?

/well, okay, maybe for you it would be
 
2012-08-03 12:28:56 AM  

newton: Baby has no teeth to brush.


Toddlers do. Or did you not know that?

Also, developing teeth and teeth coming in are the same thing as regular teeth. Even baby teeth deserve protection, don't you think?
 
2012-08-03 12:43:25 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Did you know that people regularly put an explosive soft metal and a poisonous green gas onto their food?


Yes, and my doctor has asked me to cut down on that. But I still regularly inhale a highly reactive and flammable gas, and sometimes expel others. I also consume some electrically active metals, pretty much every day, some of them subject to corrosion once ingested. Moreover, at least once a week, I go out of my way to come into close proximity to dangerously flammable and toxic complex organic compounds, which I spend the rest of the week actively converting into toxic pollutants, global warming agents, and gases that humans cannot breathe. And once in awhile, I ingest or inhale complex alkaloids, which then inspire me to consume unhealthy foods, often loaded with explosive soft metal and poisonous gas. I'm sure my doctor would not approve.
 
2012-08-03 12:47:00 AM  

Benni K Rok: unlikely: Pocket Ninja: unlikely: Oh FFS. Read the Harvard article - it is all about the concentration, the amount.

In adequate concentration anything is bad for you.

This is a valid point, but I think it deliberately ignores the fact that no studies to date have really demonstrated that the chemical reagents present in jet plane contrails aren't enhancing the fluoride effect. Plus countless other extraplotables, including resonant atmospheric radiation from Fukushima, electrical transmogrification from power line clusters, and frakking, and who knows what the real long-term health effects are. It's scary stuff.

Jesus, I hadn't considered that.

Plus I never even considered the goddamn vaccines. COW pox? They shot me full of COW POX when I was a kid?

You can filter the water, but how am I supposed to filter out the radiation?

Rad-X. If that fails, use Rad-Away.


::shrug:: I prefer Rad-B-Gon myself, but only because it's made here.
 
2012-08-03 12:50:12 AM  

Eapoe6: The main ingredient in rat poison is sodium fluoride.

Google Stalin, Hitler and Fluoride in one search.

Then Google Fluoride, Edward Bernays and Alcoa

Before you scoff, get some info.

Ignorant and stupid is no way to go through life, even if you are an American Idiot.

If you think Fluoride is safe, swallow a big dollop tooth paste and let me know how that turns out.


Someone apparently believes that whatever you find online is good information.
 
2012-08-03 12:51:14 AM  
O hell, I did it again. Stupid zeros.
 
2012-08-03 12:55:03 AM  

tirob: Chlorine, an unnatural toxin so dangerous in large amounts that it was used as a poison gas during World War I, is also put into our water supply (in small amounts). The idea is to prevent cholera, a disease that killed tens of millions of people around the world in the ~century after 1831. Should we remove chlorine from our water, too?


When you drink from municipal and some natural sources water not treated with chlorine, you can die in days or become sick within hours. When you drink the same water not treated with fluoride, you can die or become sick within?

No, that's right, you don't die, you just might have a higher chance of tooth problems. This can be solved on an individual basis with toothpastes and mouthwashes. No need to put the chemical into everyone's water.
 
2012-08-03 01:28:42 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Eapoe6: The main ingredient in rat poison is sodium fluoride.

Google Stalin, Hitler and Fluoride in one search.

Then Google Fluoride, Edward Bernays and Alcoa

Before you scoff, get some info.

Ignorant and stupid is no way to go through life, even if you are an American Idiot.

If you think Fluoride is safe, swallow a big dollop tooth paste and let me know how that turns out.

Someone apparently believes that whatever you find online is good information.


That seems to be the basis for the counter-arguments as well. Just sayin'.
 
2012-08-03 02:09:39 AM  
Just wait until Jenny McCarthy hears about this!
 
2012-08-03 02:26:41 AM  
Subby obviously was raised on a diet of city water and toothpaste.

It's a valid study, moran.
 
2012-08-03 02:37:04 AM  

RexTalionis: You're not supposed to eat a tube of toothpaste, you morons.


Flourise is in tap water too, idiot.
 
2012-08-03 03:50:28 AM  

untaken_name: lewismarktwo: So, don't ever brush your teeth and only drink soda kids.

If fluoride really prevented tooth decay, do you think dentists would push it so hard? Ask yourself this: are there MORE or FEWER dentists per capita now than when fluoridation of water began?


digboston.com
http://digboston.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Keanu_Whoa1.png
 
rmz
2012-08-03 03:50:32 AM  
 
2012-08-03 05:59:04 AM  

quantumtheo: Nobody does their homework, they just assume things are true and spout off something idiotic


Eapoe6: Ignorant and stupid is no way to go through life, even if you are an American Idiot.


I love that conspiracy theorists do this. They're always so keen to pat themselves on the back for believing in this crap.
 
2012-08-03 07:11:07 AM  

pedrop357: tirob: Chlorine, an unnatural toxin so dangerous in large amounts that it was used as a poison gas during World War I, is also put into our water supply (in small amounts). The idea is to prevent cholera, a disease that killed tens of millions of people around the world in the ~century after 1831. Should we remove chlorine from our water, too?

When you drink from municipal and some natural sources water not treated with chlorine, you can die in days or become sick within hours. When you drink the same water not treated with fluoride, you can die or become sick within?

No, that's right, you don't die, you just might have a higher chance of tooth problems. This can be solved on an individual basis with toothpastes and mouthwashes. No need to put the chemical into everyone's water.


Thank you for pointing this out to me.

Read the post that I answered. Link (yesterday at 5:38 pm) It's a long rant about how fluoride is poisonous, blah blah blah. Sure it is; it can kill you if you ingest enough of it at once. So can cayenne pepper sauce.

No, there's no *need* to fluoridate water. But based on what I've read I would say that there are benefits in doing so that far outweigh the infinitesimal danger posed by the presence of minuscule amounts of the stuff in the water supply. Municipalities have been treating water with fluoride for over half a century now, and after all this time, the only malady that fluoride is known to have caused is paranoia in the minds of Birchers and other like-minded people.
 
2012-08-03 08:39:52 AM  
I grew up with fluoride in the water, i was tested at 172..... yeah... i believe this article...
 
2012-08-03 08:48:24 AM  
Is on well water with a reverse osmosis system so I'm getting a kick...
 
2012-08-03 09:21:32 AM  

tom baker's scarf: a couple of thoughts. I'm not saying it isn't/is true but some useful information would be useful.

Assuming it does lower IQ, by how much?
Is there a threshold amount where IQ isn't affected but tooth decay is attenuated? if there is how wide is the spread?
I though kids only drink pop now. wasn't soda the liquid boogie-man the other day?


Pop is made with municipal water, not Evian.

Eliminating fluoride completely from the water supply doesn't increase tooth decay. Fluoridated water is 99% ineffective at strengthening teeth because of the thin film of bacterial excrement that coats the teeth. Acids wash this away (lemon juice, soda), as do alcohols in part. The preferred method is to physically abrade the substance away, preferably with a stiff boar bristle brush and an abrasive paste containing a mineral polishing powder. The polishing powder usually contains fluoride, which can work to great effect to harden teeth; this is advisable because the abrading compound does strip the enamel from teeth..
 
2012-08-03 09:28:52 AM  

Mija: RexTalionis: You're not supposed to eat a tube of toothpaste, you morons.

Flourise is in tap water too, idiot.


Not in the level of concentration that would cause you harm, unlike toothpaste, YOU CLOD.
 
2012-08-03 09:47:22 AM  

bluefoxicy: tom baker's scarf: a couple of thoughts. I'm not saying it isn't/is true but some useful information would be useful.

Assuming it does lower IQ, by how much?
Is there a threshold amount where IQ isn't affected but tooth decay is attenuated? if there is how wide is the spread?
I though kids only drink pop now. wasn't soda the liquid boogie-man the other day?

Pop is made with municipal water, not Evian.

Eliminating fluoride completely from the water supply doesn't increase tooth decay. Fluoridated water is 99% ineffective at strengthening teeth because of the thin film of bacterial excrement that coats the teeth. Acids wash this away (lemon juice, soda), as do alcohols in part. The preferred method is to physically abrade the substance away, preferably with a stiff boar bristle brush and an abrasive paste containing a mineral polishing powder. The polishing powder usually contains fluoride, which can work to great effect to harden teeth; this is advisable because the abrading compound does strip the enamel from teeth..


Fluoridating the water supply was what seemed like a good idea back in the 50's.
Unfortunately, it turns out to be a poor way of delivering the treatment.
Like so many things, just stop.
 
2012-08-03 09:47:54 AM  

wmack: Subby obviously was raised on a diet of city water and toothpaste.

It's a valid study, moran.


valid study
 
2012-08-03 10:37:27 AM  

unlikely: Oh FFS. Read the Harvard article - it is all about the concentration, the amount.

In adequate concentration anything is bad for you.


They compared the actual IQs of people living in areas of high fluoride concentration and areas of low fluoride concentration and found that higher concentration areas had people with lower IQ. It's just a correlation, but they seem to imply that the concentrations that are actually being used in some places has something to do with lower IQs.
 
2012-08-03 12:07:20 PM  
this is just a conspiracy, orchestrated by the bottling companies, to get the sheeple to buy water
 
2012-08-03 12:23:44 PM  
i1102.photobucket.com

/warned us.
 
2012-08-03 12:25:23 PM  

jigger: They compared the actual IQs of people living in areas of high fluoride concentration and areas of low fluoride concentration and found that higher concentration areas had people with lower IQ. It's just a correlation, but they seem to imply that the concentrations that are actually being used in some places has something to do with lower IQs.


The problem is that the studies were not just flawed, but in a large portion of them the reference (low fluoride) areas used had as much or more fluoride in them than the CDC recommendation of .7 mg/L. Of the 27 studies the meta-analysis used only 8 compared areas with less fluoride than the CDC recommends. And three of those had secondary exposures. In fact if you remove the studies with secondary exposure or those that used air intake instead of water, there were only nine studies in their analysis.

That's ignoring the fact that the authors themselves admit that the studies were generally not of good quality, and that they used a method that has poor small sample size characteristics.

Is it possible that there this needs further study? Absolutely. But not through such poor and insufficient analysis.
 
2012-08-03 12:26:07 PM  
Lowers IQ-- Good for TSA recruitment.
 
2012-08-03 04:24:55 PM  

mbillips: ZipSplat: LOL, yeah, this site doesn't even pass the first step of the smell test.

[puu.sh image 232x259]

Fine, here's the original study. Just because nutjobs go on and on about fluoride doesn't mean it can't have undocumented deleterious health effects. Science, people. Let go of your prejudices and review the factual evidence.

/Cost-benefit. Do slightly dumber kids outweigh the vast increase in dental health? Tooth decay doesn't just cause painful eating; it can cause heart disease.


The study doesn't simply say that fluoride causes decreased IQ. They did a metanalysis of Chinese studies and found a correlation between fluoride level and small fluctuations in IQ. There is no mention of the dosages of fluoride (we're talking about mostly Chinese studies here), no mention of any controls (for instance, would the Chinese more heavily fluoridate in rural areas where fewer educated people live?).

It was a simple correlation drawn from a metanalysis. Those aren't worthless, but they are worthless for drawing causal conclusions. Metanalyses are used to look for areas of further study, you DO NOT use them to identify specific causalities. Reading this and concluding that "well, there you go. Fluoride makes you dumber" is an example of research misuse. It's why the controversy exists in the science community over whether or not to make preliminary research public.
 
2012-08-03 04:42:13 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: earthworm2.0: know how I can tell there are no chemists in this thread?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x108]


wink wink
 
2012-08-03 04:43:52 PM  

unlikely: Oh FFS. Read the Harvard article - it is all about the concentration, the amount.

In adequate concentration anything is bad for you.


Not pussy!
 
2012-08-03 06:02:57 PM  

ZipSplat: mbillips: ZipSplat: LOL, yeah, this site doesn't even pass the first step of the smell test.

[puu.sh image 232x259]

Fine, here's the original study. Just because nutjobs go on and on about fluoride doesn't mean it can't have undocumented deleterious health effects. Science, people. Let go of your prejudices and review the factual evidence.

/Cost-benefit. Do slightly dumber kids outweigh the vast increase in dental health? Tooth decay doesn't just cause painful eating; it can cause heart disease.

The study doesn't simply say that fluoride causes decreased IQ. They did a metanalysis of Chinese studies and found a correlation between fluoride level and small fluctuations in IQ. There is no mention of the dosages of fluoride (we're talking about mostly Chinese studies here), no mention of any controls (for instance, would the Chinese more heavily fluoridate in rural areas where fewer educated people live?).

It was a simple correlation drawn from a metanalysis. Those aren't worthless, but they are worthless for drawing causal conclusions. Metanalyses are used to look for areas of further study, you DO NOT use them to identify specific causalities. Reading this and concluding that "well, there you go. Fluoride makes you dumber" is an example of research misuse. It's why the controversy exists in the science community over whether or not to make preliminary research public.


Not that I disagree with your conclusion, but do you know how I know you didn't read the paper?
 
2012-08-04 12:57:22 AM  

pellies: Not that I disagree with your conclusion, but do you know how I know you didn't read the paper?


I read the abstract. Did I miss something?
 
2012-08-04 12:59:10 AM  

ZipSplat: pellies: Not that I disagree with your conclusion, but do you know how I know you didn't read the paper?

I read the abstract. Did I miss something?


Oh, the dosages are in the AOP. Derp.
 
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