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2012-08-02 04:38:31 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: earthworm2.0: know how I can tell there are no chemists in this thread?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x108]


googled that did you?
 
2012-08-02 04:40:01 PM

JRoo: [upload.wikimedia.org image 270x444]
You ever try to drink a glassful of these things? Keep them outta my water!


Those look like a pair of D8s...

Which would be used to save against a loss in INT from a poison....

COINCIDENCE?!?
 
2012-08-02 04:40:33 PM

Quaker: dahmers love zombie: cman: Pocket Ninja: unlikely: Oh FFS. Read the Harvard article - it is all about the concentration, the amount.

In adequate concentration anything is bad for you.

This is a valid point, but I think it deliberately ignores the fact that no studies to date have really demonstrated that the chemical reagents present in jet plane contrails aren't enhancing the fluoride effect. Plus countless other extraplotables, including resonant atmospheric radiation from Fukushima, electrical transmogrification from power line clusters, and frakking, and who knows what the real long-term health effects are. It's scary stuff.

SHUT THE fark UP ASSHOLE

You are gonna trigger the Reptilian bankers to shut Fark down to withhold the truth.

Hah! I'm already in psionic contact with the Grays. They'll take care of this.

Not that I think any of that Reptillian/Gray stuff is true (I suppose even if it were I would never be able to know for sure), but treating conspiracy theories and the like in an insulting way is what allows actual conspiracies to go on. If in 1955 you said to someone, "You know, the CIA is kidnapping American and Canadian citizens and subjecting them to a variety of mind control experiments," people would have reacted with that same kind of glib disbelief. But as we later found out, they would have been wrong (Pops). Considering this kind of stuff actually happened, it makes me reconsider a lot of things that people immediately dismiss just because it sounds crazy.


Excellent. Now you will question everything and live in fear!
 
2012-08-02 04:41:47 PM
The Trilateral Commission has clearly been infiltrated by Wikileaks....
 
2012-08-02 04:42:59 PM

EdVenture: Salem Witch: BAHAHAHAHAHA!

I read that as "Florida shown to lower IQ."

Now that headline I'll buy.


No shiat. I have never seen such crappy traffic for such a low population area.
 
2012-08-02 04:45:01 PM

earthworm2.0: know how I can tell there are no chemists in this thread?


How?
 
2012-08-02 04:46:43 PM

cman: Bathia_Mapes: cman: Did you know that sun rays can result in skin cancer?

Did you know that dihydrogen monoxide, a substance found on every corner of our planet, can kill you? FFS, it's even in the food we eat.

JESUS farkING CHRIST WHAT THE fark ARE WE DOING ABOUT IT?


dhmo.org

Amusing, even if some tl;dr it.
 
2012-08-02 04:49:16 PM

mgshamster: earthworm2.0: know how I can tell there are no chemists in this thread?

How?


My dad is a biochemist. been working at the same place for 31 years. I asked him about the flouride in water thing. he says its harmless. the big fear is because flouride is highly reactive and can pair with lots of other stuff, and sometimes can make damgerous compounds. but the ppm that is in water is like trying to desalinate the ocean with an eyedropper. also, the flouride in water is not the same as the flouride in toothpaste. I wish I had paid better attention, i could explain it better...
 
2012-08-02 04:50:57 PM
Brain : "I shall pollute the water supply with this DNAdefibuliser Fluoride, turning everyone into mindless slaves."
Pinky : "What about the people who drink bottled water?"
Brain : "Pinky, people who pay 5 dollars for a bottle of water are already mindless slaves."
 
2012-08-02 04:52:04 PM

Chicken Fried Internets: cman: Bathia_Mapes: cman: Did you know that sun rays can result in skin cancer?

Did you know that dihydrogen monoxide, a substance found on every corner of our planet, can kill you? FFS, it's even in the food we eat.

JESUS farkING CHRIST WHAT THE fark ARE WE DOING ABOUT IT?

dhmo.org

Amusing, even if some tl;dr it.


so DHMO can kill you but Prozac can't

sign me up weight gain here i cum!!!
oh wait i can't cause i'm on an SSRI lol
 
2012-08-02 04:52:43 PM
Cracked tackled this one almost a week ago:

Link

/Also, they have single-page articles now! What a brilliant innovation!
 
2012-08-02 04:53:13 PM

earthworm2.0: mgshamster: earthworm2.0: know how I can tell there are no chemists in this thread?

How?

My dad is a biochemist. been working at the same place for 31 years. I asked him about the flouride in water thing. he says its harmless. the big fear is because flouride is highly reactive and can pair with lots of other stuff, and sometimes can make damgerous compounds. but the ppm that is in water is like trying to desalinate the ocean with an eyedropper. also, the flouride in water is not the same as the flouride in toothpaste. I wish I had paid better attention, i could explain it better...


Oh, I'm aware of fluoride. I'm a toxicologist (a chemist who focuses on toxins). I was just curious how you could tell there were no chemists in this thread.

Most people here are making fun of the conspiracy theorists, not agreeing with them.

/it has been different in other fluoride threads.
 
2012-08-02 04:54:03 PM
This thread brings the win. Hard.
 
2012-08-02 04:55:51 PM
"Tin foil stock skyrocketing". Ooo, subby.... tin? Stannous fluoride? Coinky dink?
 
2012-08-02 04:55:52 PM
FTA: Most public water supplies in the United States still have the chemical added in by authorities under the guise of preventing tooth decay.

We all know the truth, don't we? They're make us dumber with the water to pave the way for our alien overlords!
 
2012-08-02 04:56:20 PM
OK, from the abstract, it says "Results: The standardized weighted mean difference in IQ score between exposed and reference populations was -0.45 (95% CI -0.56 to -0.35) using a random-effects model. Thus, children in high fluoride areas had significantly lower IQ scores than those who lived in low fluoride areas. " Now, I'm not sure what they mean by -0.45. If that's half an IQ point, that doesn't seem like a "significant difference."

That said, it does look like the result warrants additional study but probably not regulation at this point.
 
2012-08-02 04:59:10 PM
What they're really trying to do is calcify your pineal gland so you can't communicate with the transdimensional self-transforming machine elves. A drop in IQ is just a side effect.
 
2012-08-02 05:03:00 PM
The opposition to fluoride in the drinking water comes straight out of the John Birch Society. It's parodied in Dr. Strangelove.
 
2012-08-02 05:03:46 PM

mgshamster: earthworm2.0: mgshamster: earthworm2.0: know how I can tell there are no chemists in this thread?

How?

My dad is a biochemist. been working at the same place for 31 years. I asked him about the flouride in water thing. he says its harmless. the big fear is because flouride is highly reactive and can pair with lots of other stuff, and sometimes can make damgerous compounds. but the ppm that is in water is like trying to desalinate the ocean with an eyedropper. also, the flouride in water is not the same as the flouride in toothpaste. I wish I had paid better attention, i could explain it better...

Oh, I'm aware of fluoride. I'm a toxicologist (a chemist who focuses on toxins). I was just curious how you could tell there were no chemists in this thread.

Most people here are making fun of the conspiracy theorists, not agreeing with them.

/it has been different in other fluoride threads.


I have an honest question. If it doesn't do anything, why did the Nazis put it in the concentration camps' water? Really doubt it was to improve their oral health. Does anyone know why they did that?

//don't have a problem with fluoride but being that products like Paxil are derived from it, I try to watch my intake (like anything else-moderation)
 
2012-08-02 05:07:56 PM

Millennium: So the anti-fluoride folks are looking to cash in on the antivaxers, huh?


Who knows.
These days of duplicated duplicity and double souper secret agenda, you can't tell the players w/o a scorecard.

Floridating water is such a bad idea, but not because of this.
Proper local, periodic treatment of the teeth is SO much more effective and cheaper.

See, no toxic grief, more effective and cheaper.

Did I say CHEAPER?

/so, if we are doing it wrong,,, where does the money lead?
 
2012-08-02 05:11:25 PM

earthworm2.0: Jon iz teh kewl: earthworm2.0: know how I can tell there are no chemists in this thread?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x108]

googled that did you?


I used to collect rocks and go to gem and mineral shows.
 
2012-08-02 05:11:42 PM

Grapple: cman: Did you know that sun rays can result in skin cancer?

BAN THE SUN!!


Impossible. It's always there.
 
2012-08-02 05:14:56 PM

Sir Not Sure The Unscannable: Quaker: dahmers love zombie: cman: Pocket Ninja: unlikely: Oh FFS. Read the Harvard article - it is all about the concentration, the amount.

In adequate concentration anything is bad for you.

This is a valid point, but I think it deliberately ignores the fact that no studies to date have really demonstrated that the chemical reagents present in jet plane contrails aren't enhancing the fluoride effect. Plus countless other extraplotables, including resonant atmospheric radiation from Fukushima, electrical transmogrification from power line clusters, and frakking, and who knows what the real long-term health effects are. It's scary stuff.

SHUT THE fark UP ASSHOLE

You are gonna trigger the Reptilian bankers to shut Fark down to withhold the truth.

Hah! I'm already in psionic contact with the Grays. They'll take care of this.

Not that I think any of that Reptillian/Gray stuff is true (I suppose even if it were I would never be able to know for sure), but treating conspiracy theories and the like in an insulting way is what allows actual conspiracies to go on. If in 1955 you said to someone, "You know, the CIA is kidnapping American and Canadian citizens and subjecting them to a variety of mind control experiments," people would have reacted with that same kind of glib disbelief. But as we later found out, they would have been wrong (Pops). Considering this kind of stuff actually happened, it makes me reconsider a lot of things that people immediately dismiss just because it sounds crazy.

Excellent. Now you will question everything and live in fear!


That doesn't necessarily mean living in fear. You can be afraid of rational possibilities without letting it control your life. That's why we wear seat belts when we're in a car, but we don't have a panic attack over the potential for a major accident. Also, I think most people would agree that questioning everything is, unfortunately, a good policy in this day and age.

Or you could go the simpler route:
samsonblinded.org
 
2012-08-02 05:15:59 PM

Pocket Ninja: unlikely: Oh FFS. Read the Harvard article - it is all about the concentration, the amount.

In adequate concentration anything is bad for you.

This is a valid point, but I think it deliberately ignores the fact that no studies to date have really demonstrated that the chemical reagents present in jet plane contrails aren't enhancing the fluoride effect. Plus countless other extraplotables, including resonant atmospheric radiation from Fukushima, electrical transmogrification from power line clusters, and frakking, and who knows what the real long-term health effects are. It's scary stuff.


And they forget about Orgone rays and crystal para-synchronized cleansing.

/toxins
 
2012-08-02 05:17:03 PM
Wheres the Florida tag, subby?
 
2012-08-02 05:19:04 PM
 
2012-08-02 05:21:03 PM
Low IQ shown to raise panic about Fluoride.
 
2012-08-02 05:21:55 PM
As the son of a dentist and recipient of extra fluoride treatments in addition to municipal fluoridated tap water I say potato.
 
2012-08-02 05:22:10 PM

hugram: RexTalionis: You're not supposed to eat a tube of toothpaste, you morons.

I have to ask... did they eat a tube of toothpaste because they are morons... or are they morons because they ate a tube of toothpaste?


whoa...that's deep.

/moran
 
2012-08-02 05:24:36 PM

caddisfly: As the son of a dentist and recipient of extra fluoride treatments in addition to municipal fluoridated tap water I say potato.


Wait to you have to have maintenance done on that dental work in years to come.

/Pissed they didn't have that teeth sealer when I was a kid
 
2012-08-02 05:27:16 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Low IQ shown to raise panic about Fluoride.


Noice
 
2012-08-02 05:29:20 PM

Sir Not Sure The Unscannable: (hint: the food's made and grown with the same water).


pretty sure agricultural water does not come from fluoridated municipal water supplies there guy, that would be Real Expensive
 
2012-08-02 05:30:32 PM
I swear to god I thought the headline said "Florida shown to lower IQ" and I thought yep, that's about right.
 
2012-08-02 05:32:13 PM

vpb: All you have to do is purge your impure precious bodily fluids on a regular basis.


Don't avoid the company of women. Just deny them your essence.
 
2012-08-02 05:35:08 PM

Salem Witch: I read that as "Florida shown to lower IQ."


You're thinking of Floridization.
 
2012-08-02 05:36:37 PM

BigJake: Sir Not Sure The Unscannable: (hint: the food's made and grown with the same water).

pretty sure agricultural water does not come from fluoridated municipal water supplies there guy, that would be Real Expensive


Do you even know where the flouride comes from?
 
2012-08-02 05:37:29 PM

rhondajeremy: If it doesn't do anything, why did the Nazis put it in the concentration camps' water?


I've never heard that before. Smells like bullshiat.
/does some googling
Yup. Bullshiat
 
2012-08-02 05:38:33 PM
just so the rest of you can read it how i read that headline at first glance:

img1.fark.net shown to lower IQ. Tin foil stock skyrocketing
 
2012-08-02 05:38:49 PM
I can't believe how ill-informed the public is to an unnatural toxin that is put into our water supply. This wasn't written by 'some guy' either... I like this website, but this post actually makes me really mad.

First off, if we really do live in a free market(which we don't), go buy your own fluoride and put it in your own water! Talk about socialism.... and someone is making a profit selling that fluoride, which is fascism too! awesome....

Second, fluoride isn't natural, it comes from the process of smelting bauxite into aluminum...

Third, fluoride is used in pesticides and other types of poisons. The same poison control telephone number is on toothpaste that is on pesticides.

Fourth, it was used as a sedative in Russian gulags and Nazi concentration camps.

Fifth, they are finding that too much fluoride actually CAUSES cavities, as well as kills flora in your stomach.

Last, fluoride kills living matter on contact... if it is only for your teeth, why do you need to drink it? Why is it added to BABY water? If a baby doesn't have teeth... or has baby teeth that will fall out, why do they need it????

Americans have been propagandized to so much that they can't be propagandized to, that they don't see propaganda anymore.... Just what they are told to believe because it's true. Nobody does their homework, they just assume things are true and spout off something idiotic like "the sun causes cancer too." Well, some things are many thousands of times worse than the sun, so you have to pick your battles.

"The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them." George Orwell
 
2012-08-02 05:39:20 PM
and now i see i wasn't the only one
nice
 
2012-08-02 05:41:18 PM

ZipSplat: LOL, yeah, this site doesn't even pass the first step of the smell test.

[puu.sh image 232x259]


Fine, here's the original study. Just because nutjobs go on and on about fluoride doesn't mean it can't have undocumented deleterious health effects. Science, people. Let go of your prejudices and review the factual evidence.

/Cost-benefit. Do slightly dumber kids outweigh the vast increase in dental health? Tooth decay doesn't just cause painful eating; it can cause heart disease.
 
2012-08-02 05:46:52 PM

Mr. Eugenides: OK, from the abstract, it says "Results: The standardized weighted mean difference in IQ score between exposed and reference populations was -0.45 (95% CI -0.56 to -0.35) using a random-effects model. Thus, children in high fluoride areas had significantly lower IQ scores than those who lived in low fluoride areas. " Now, I'm not sure what they mean by -0.45. If that's half an IQ point, that doesn't seem like a "significant difference."

That said, it does look like the result warrants additional study but probably not regulation at this point.


I was wondering that myself. It looks like minus 45 percent to me, which is REALLY significant. But it may be some kinda linear bell curve scale.
 
2012-08-02 05:49:24 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Do you even know where the flouride comes from?


If it's being added to muni water supplies, it gets added at the treatment plant. Treatment plants that agricultural water (for instance, the Colorado River water that's used in CA's Central Valley) never see. Some places it occurs naturally of course, but something like 80%-90% of our fresh water supply gets used in agriculture.
 
2012-08-02 05:49:36 PM
FTA "This is the 24th study that has found this association"

yeah, real tinfoil stuff...
 
2012-08-02 05:51:04 PM
Is this somehow correlated to the popularity of "Fifty Shade of Grey"?
 
2012-08-02 05:51:16 PM

BigJake: StoPPeRmobile: Do you even know where the flouride comes from?

If it's being added to muni water supplies, it gets added at the treatment plant. Treatment plants that agricultural water (for instance, the Colorado River water that's used in CA's Central Valley) never see. Some places it occurs naturally of course, but something like 80%-90% of our fresh water supply gets used in agriculture.


But... But... they tell us that not leaving the tap on when I brush my teeth will save all the water needed to reforest the sahara and feed the world!
 
2012-08-02 05:55:02 PM

dready zim: But... But... they tell us that not leaving the tap on when I brush my teeth will save all the water needed to reforest the sahara and feed the world!


Yeah, that's crap. But when there's a supply crunch every little bit helps, especially since during times of drought the supplies for agriculture need to INCREASE. Which is why we all shouldn't be wasting our water if we like to eat.
 
2012-08-02 05:56:53 PM
I mis-read the headline as "Florida shown to lower IQ." Now I'll have to come up with another explanation for my ex-in-laws.
 
2012-08-02 05:57:58 PM
Heh, heh, heh. "Fluori-duh".
 
2012-08-02 05:58:20 PM

quantumtheo: I can't believe how ill-informed the public is to an unnatural toxin that is put into our water supply.


Chlorine, an unnatural toxin so dangerous in large amounts that it was used as a poison gas during World War I, is also put into our water supply (in small amounts). The idea is to prevent cholera, a disease that killed tens of millions of people around the world in the ~century after 1831. Should we remove chlorine from our water, too?
 
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