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(Talking Points Memo)   You might want to be sitting down for this: several of the GOP witnesses for the House Judiciary hearing on making English the sole official language of the US have ties to racist organizations   (tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 101
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2012-08-02 01:47:28 PM  
ProEnglish is headed by executive director Robert Vandervoort, who came under fire for hosting a panel at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) this year featuring Peter Brimelow of the website VDARE, an organization labeled as a white nationalist hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

To repeat from the redlit thread: He didn't "come under fire," nor did CPAC. The "liberal media" didn't say sh*t about it.

It's one of the most criminally under-reported stories of the year.
 
2012-08-02 01:55:33 PM  
Uh-oh. Nothing brings out Fark's resident racists like an article referencing the Southern Poverty Law Center.
 
2012-08-02 01:57:54 PM  
I still have yet to hear a rational, practical reason why making English the official language here is necessary. What tangible benefit will it afford anyone? How will it improve the common good?
 
2012-08-02 01:59:51 PM  

sigdiamond2000: ProEnglish is headed by executive director Robert Vandervoort, who came under fire for hosting a panel at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) this year featuring Peter Brimelow of the website VDARE, an organization labeled as a white nationalist hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

To repeat from the redlit thread: He didn't "come under fire," nor did CPAC. The "liberal media" didn't say sh*t about it.

It's one of the most criminally under-reported stories of the year.


I think a lot of people just roll their eyes when they hear "CPAC".
 
2012-08-02 02:00:05 PM  

sigdiamond2000: ProEnglish is headed by executive director Robert Vandervoort, who came under fire for hosting a panel at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) this year featuring Peter Brimelow of the website VDARE, an organization labeled as a white nationalist hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

To repeat from the redlit thread: He didn't "come under fire," nor did CPAC. The "liberal media" didn't say sh*t about it.

It's one of the most criminally under-reported stories of the year.


Yea, I heard about it, but only because someone I know was at CPAC and thought the panel was farking tasteless and disgusting.
 
2012-08-02 02:00:24 PM  
Please. The Republican Party IS a racist organization.
 
2012-08-02 02:00:25 PM  
It's not racism to point out that minorities would be far better off in the US if they spoke English. Why is encouraging that a bad thing?

I mean, I don't care how liberal you are, and I don't care what you believe about illegal immigration (sorry sorry, I mean "undocumented" immigration). If illegals spoke better English, then they'd have more success in the US. That is an undeniable fact.
 
2012-08-02 02:00:25 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: I still have yet to hear a rational, practical reason why making English the official language here is necessary. What tangible benefit will it afford anyone? How will it improve the common good?


It discourages minorities from coming in and minoring up the place. That's pretty much it.
 
2012-08-02 02:01:48 PM  
Having an official language is anti free speech.
 
2012-08-02 02:02:14 PM  
Non stercore
 
2012-08-02 02:02:49 PM  
Why was I not surprised to see Steve King's name associated with this?
 
2012-08-02 02:03:35 PM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: It's not racism to point out that minorities would be far better off in the US if they spoke English. Why is encouraging that a bad thing?

I mean, I don't care how liberal you are, and I don't care what you believe about illegal immigration (sorry sorry, I mean "undocumented" immigration). If illegals spoke better English, then they'd have more success in the US. That is an undeniable fact.


How would the proposed law lead to immigrants speaking better English?
 
2012-08-02 02:04:07 PM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: It's not racism to point out that minorities would be far better off in the US if they spoke English. Why is encouraging that a bad thing?

I mean, I don't care how liberal you are, and I don't care what you believe about illegal immigration (sorry sorry, I mean "undocumented" immigration). If illegals spoke better English, then they'd have more success in the US. That is an undeniable fact.


Your name is Rumsfelds Replacement. No one is going to take you seriously.
 
2012-08-02 02:04:57 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: I still have yet to hear a rational, practical reason why making English the official language here is necessary. What tangible benefit will it afford anyone? How will it improve the common good?


MY FINGER IS TIRED FROM PRESSING ONE, GOSH DARN IT.

/Here are ten "reasons".
 
2012-08-02 02:05:05 PM  
several of the GOP witnesses for the House Judiciary hearing on making English the sole official language of the US have ties to racist organizations

But you repeat yourself.
 
2012-08-02 02:05:37 PM  
And I've got $5 that says

several of the GOP witnesses for the House Judiciary hearing on making English the sole official language of the US have ties to racist organizations domestic servants who speak little or no English.
 
2012-08-02 02:06:43 PM  
IN the same way as some members of the Administration have ties to the Muslim Brotherhood?
 
2012-08-02 02:06:49 PM  
I am Jesus Farking Christ's utterly lack of surprise.
 
2012-08-02 02:07:16 PM  

nekulor: RumsfeldsReplacement: It's not racism to point out that minorities would be far better off in the US if they spoke English. Why is encouraging that a bad thing?

I mean, I don't care how liberal you are, and I don't care what you believe about illegal immigration (sorry sorry, I mean "undocumented" immigration). If illegals spoke better English, then they'd have more success in the US. That is an undeniable fact.

Your name is Rumsfelds Replacement. No one is going to take you seriously.


Being taken seriously in Fark is not exactly a redeeming quality. Most of the time it makes for great troll bait.
 
2012-08-02 02:08:01 PM  
"Southern Poverty Law Center"?

Why would I care what poor lawyers have to say about anything?
 
2012-08-02 02:08:13 PM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: It's not racism to point out that minorities would be far better off in the US if they spoke English. Why is encouraging that a bad thing?

I mean, I don't care how liberal you are, and I don't care what you believe about illegal immigration (sorry sorry, I mean "undocumented" immigration). If illegals spoke better English, then they'd have more success in the US. That is an undeniable fact.


And there certainly is nothing stopping them from learning if they want. Why do you feel the need to expand the government to regulate this? They're hurting nobody but themselves if they refuse to learn English.
 
2012-08-02 02:08:16 PM  
Good lord, Steve King is an asshole.
 
2012-08-02 02:10:48 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: RumsfeldsReplacement: It's not racism to point out that minorities would be far better off in the US if they spoke English. Why is encouraging that a bad thing?

I mean, I don't care how liberal you are, and I don't care what you believe about illegal immigration (sorry sorry, I mean "undocumented" immigration). If illegals spoke better English, then they'd have more success in the US. That is an undeniable fact.

How would the proposed law lead to immigrants speaking better English?


Because they'd have no choice.

If you moved to some other country that spoke a language other than English (let's say Latvia, though I don't know how prevalent English is there), you'd have to pick up the language pretty quickly, or else you'd struggle. If there were no English there at all, you'd pick up the native language that much quicker, because you'd have to...there wouldn't be any crutches for you.
 
2012-08-02 02:12:33 PM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: Philip Francis Queeg: RumsfeldsReplacement: It's not racism to point out that minorities would be far better off in the US if they spoke English. Why is encouraging that a bad thing?

I mean, I don't care how liberal you are, and I don't care what you believe about illegal immigration (sorry sorry, I mean "undocumented" immigration). If illegals spoke better English, then they'd have more success in the US. That is an undeniable fact.

How would the proposed law lead to immigrants speaking better English?

Because they'd have no choice.

If you moved to some other country that spoke a language other than English (let's say Latvia, though I don't know how prevalent English is there), you'd have to pick up the language pretty quickly, or else you'd struggle. If there were no English there at all, you'd pick up the native language that much quicker, because you'd have to...there wouldn't be any crutches for you.


You think the proposed law would make any use of a language other than English illegal?
 
2012-08-02 02:13:47 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Uh-oh. Nothing brings out Fark's resident racists like an article referencing the Southern Poverty Law Center.


I'll get the popcorn.

30bananasadaysucks.com
 
2012-08-02 02:14:19 PM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: It's not racism to point out that minorities would be far better off in the US if they spoke English. Why is encouraging that a bad thing?

I mean, I don't care how liberal you are, and I don't care what you believe about illegal immigration (sorry sorry, I mean "undocumented" immigration). If illegals spoke better English, then they'd have more success in the US. That is an undeniable fact.


Of course. The black minority is doing incredibly well, and the Irish were never mistreated.
 
2012-08-02 02:14:34 PM  

nekulor: RumsfeldsReplacement: It's not racism to point out that minorities would be far better off in the US if they spoke English. Why is encouraging that a bad thing?

I mean, I don't care how liberal you are, and I don't care what you believe about illegal immigration (sorry sorry, I mean "undocumented" immigration). If illegals spoke better English, then they'd have more success in the US. That is an undeniable fact.

Your name is Rumsfelds Replacement. No one is going to take you seriously.


Hey, Rumsfeld's replacement was Bob Gates. He's all right.
 
2012-08-02 02:15:18 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: I still have yet to hear a rational, practical reason why making English the official language here is necessary. What tangible benefit will it afford anyone? How will it improve the common good?


There are some stremlining and standardization benefits like a standard language for contracts or legal papers However, there is ripe potential for abuse. Those are valid concerns.

I believe California tried to go a standardized language and their lead up study showed it could save the state money since a lot of work wouldn't have to be duplicated in another language. You wuld still be able to get translated items/documents, but would pay a fee (I think)

Many western countries require very basic proficiency in their "national language" to be able to get work visas or become citizens.

Please undestand I am currently nutral on this issue. However, congres would never stack their hearing testimony.
 
2012-08-02 02:16:46 PM  

birchman: RumsfeldsReplacement: It's not racism to point out that minorities would be far better off in the US if they spoke English. Why is encouraging that a bad thing?

I mean, I don't care how liberal you are, and I don't care what you believe about illegal immigration (sorry sorry, I mean "undocumented" immigration). If illegals spoke better English, then they'd have more success in the US. That is an undeniable fact.

And there certainly is nothing stopping them from learning if they want. Why do you feel the need to expand the government to regulate this? They're hurting nobody but themselves if they refuse to learn English.


That's where you got it wrong! It hurts the job creators because the job creators, instead of creating jobs, have to waste time and go out to hire translators to translate packaging into Messican, otherwise they'll lose sales. And those costs are then passed onto us, the American consumers!


/Seriously heard this as an argument once.
 
2012-08-02 02:17:55 PM  
OK. Read the article.

Dr. Rosalie Porter Testified today.
She is chairwoman for a group run by Robert Vandervoort.
Vandervoort once hosted a panel with Peter Brimelow and John Derbyshire.
Peter Brimelow is from a website that the Southern Poverty Law Center says is racist (they have a low threshold)
John Derbyshire once wrote an article that many people thought was racist.

So she works with a guy who hosted a panel that had two guys who other people think are racists.

Kevin Bacon.
 
2012-08-02 02:18:18 PM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: It's not racism to point out that minorities would be far better off in the US if they spoke English. Why is encouraging that a bad thing?

I mean, I don't care how liberal you are, and I don't care what you believe about illegal immigration (sorry sorry, I mean "undocumented" immigration). If illegals spoke better English, then they'd have more success in the US. That is an undeniable fact.


So, your argument is that they need government assistance (via laws such as the one proposed) to succeed?
 
2012-08-02 02:18:35 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: You think the proposed law would make any use of a language other than English illegal?


We should make immigrants learn the language before they naturalize. And I know what you're going to say, "But sprawl15, they already have to learn English to become a citizen!" Doesn't matter. That's just liberal misdirection, and you should be ashamed.
 
2012-08-02 02:25:29 PM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: It's not racism to point out that minorities would be far better off in the US if they spoke English. Why is encouraging that a bad thing?

I mean, I don't care how liberal you are, and I don't care what you believe about illegal immigration (sorry sorry, I mean "undocumented" immigration). If illegals spoke better English, then they'd have more success in the US. That is an undeniable fact.


Your method of 'encouragement' is punishing further those who don't already have a skill, not helping those who want it.

You're proposing further disenfranchising legal citizens who as you admit already have a harder time with the language barrier in order to supposedly make it harder on illegals - who aren't likely using th government services you're proposing are limited to English.

And on top of that, requiring English be used by firefighters, police, doctors, teachers etc makes their jobs harder and makes integration that much more difficult.
 
2012-08-02 02:26:49 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: OK. Read the article.

Dr. Rosalie Porter Testified today.
She is chairwoman for a group run by Robert Vandervoort.


Okay, we can stop there.

Link

Starting in 2003, Vandervoort began writing about his admiration for the white nationalist group American Renaissance and its leader Jared Taylor. "Cheers to Jared Taylor and the American Renaissance for continually afflicting the comfortable white liberals!" he posted that February. On several occasions, he also posted announcements of Taylor's media appearances. On May 24, November 14, and December 25, 2003 he promoted Jared Taylor TV appearances. In another VFR post, he encouraged people to read Taylor's booklet The Color of Crime.

Vandervoort also confessed that he has "listened to a lot of the AR [American Renaissance] lectures" at that time. And his web posts indicate a high degree of familiarity with American Renaissance conference speeches.

On April 20, 2003, as an Easter greeting, Vandervoort quoted from a speech by from another American Renaissance conference speech. An April 23, 2003, post quotes the AR speech "Toward Renaissance and Renewal" by Fr. James Thornton. He referenced another American Renaissance conference speech on May 1, 2008. He's also expressed admiration for American Renaissance conference speakers like Taylor, Lawrence Auster, and Sam Francis.

Vandervoort was so enamored with American Renaissance, that he decided to help kickstart Chicagoland Friends of American Renaissance-the first official local affinity group of the national organization.


So, what is American Renaissance?

Link

The magazine and foundation were founded by Jared Taylor, and the first issue was published in November 1990

American Renaissance states that it is a monthly magazine first published in 1991. A section called What We Believe on the organization's website states that "Race is an important aspect of individual and group identity. Of all the fault lines that divide society - language, religion, class, ideology - it is the most prominent and divisive. Race and racial conflict are at the heart of the most serious challenges the Western World faces in the 21st century. The problems of race cannot be solved without adequate understanding. Attempts to gloss over the significance of race or even to deny its reality only make problems worse. Progress requires the study of all aspects of race, whether historical, cultural, or biological. This approach is known as race realism."

The magazine's arguments are usually explained using social science and genetics, but one article mentioned Biblical arguments against interracial and inter-cultural marriages. The magazine and foundation promote the view that differences in educational outcomes and per capita incomes between racial populations can be attributed at least in part to differences in intelligence between races.


Go white knight somewhere else.
 
2012-08-02 02:27:03 PM  
I think REpublicans are just envious that most people who speak spanish first, can actually speak english too, they have to dumb it down for the rednecks.

'oh i am sorry, you only speak one language? should I also use small words for you, Senior?'
 
2012-08-02 02:28:53 PM  

sprawl15: "Southern Poverty Law Center"?

Why would I care what poor lawyers have to say about anything?


images.wikia.com

Now I may just be a simple hyper chicken from a backwoods asteroid, but I have things to say.
 
2012-08-02 02:29:48 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Uh-oh. Nothing brings out Fark's resident racists like an article referencing the Southern Poverty Law Center.


Also, the lulz.

/WE'RE DOIN' IT FOR THEM~!
 
2012-08-02 02:31:00 PM  

DORMAMU: Many western countries require very basic proficiency in their "national language" to be able to get work visas or become citizens.


The US naturalization process includes a test on the English language.
 
2012-08-02 02:32:32 PM  

EyeballKid: Please. The Republican Party IS a racist organization.


They know that. Some have even started to admit it

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-02 02:37:05 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Go white knight somewhere else.


Not white-knighting. This seems to be the same "This guy knows a guy who knows a guy we don't like" nonsense. We don't want to go down that road.

If it is garbage when it was Bachmann talking about Muslim Brotherhood "ties", and it's garbage when it was Obama and Wright and Ayers, then it's garbage here.

The woman who testified works with a guy who is known to associate with people we don't like. It's just too tenuous a connection to do a guilt by racist association.
 
2012-08-02 02:38:34 PM  
Funny how the people who most want to make English the "official language of the USA" are usually the people who are least capable of using it correctly.

/ 14GOP88
// "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children." - all Republicans
 
2012-08-02 02:40:26 PM  

nyseattitude: EyeballKid: Please. The Republican Party IS a racist organization.

They know that. Some have even started to admit it

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 385x385]


The "I Quit Like Sarah" is a nice touch.
 
2012-08-02 02:49:33 PM  
You might want to be sitting down for this: several of pretty much everyone in the GOP witnesses for the House Judiciary hearing on making English the sole official language of the US have ties to is racist organizations

FTFY Subby
 
2012-08-02 02:51:53 PM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: It's not racism to point out that minorities would be far better off in the US if they spoke English. Why is encouraging that a bad thing?


But Republicans are the party of "small government" and they generally prefer to let the free market sort these things out. Or are they being giant hypocrites on this particular issue?
 
2012-08-02 02:52:29 PM  
No surprises here.
I guess everyone missed out on the GOP openly working with neo-nazis in Arizona and to write immigration laws for many different states?
 
2012-08-02 02:52:51 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: RumsfeldsReplacement: It's not racism to point out that minorities would be far better off in the US if they spoke English. Why is encouraging that a bad thing?

I mean, I don't care how liberal you are, and I don't care what you believe about illegal immigration (sorry sorry, I mean "undocumented" immigration). If illegals spoke better English, then they'd have more success in the US. That is an undeniable fact.

How would the proposed law lead to immigrants speaking better English?


No, laws change things. That's why the GOP wants to ban guns, because gun laws stop things.

Duh!
 
2012-08-02 03:02:29 PM  
As a naturalized bilingual citizen, I cannot for the life of me understand why there is a serious movement, headed, of course, by "small government" conservatives, to force our nation into monolingual retardation.

My wife and I got stuck in Amsterdam on our way to our honeymoon, and just an average airport attendant was able to speak decent Spanish to the woman in front of us, Dutch to her co-worker obviously, and perfect English to us. I was envious.

And people want to seriously rally against such an obvious benefit, and have the balls to claim that it's not for racist reasons?

Get the fark out of here.
 
2012-08-02 03:09:34 PM  
I'm so glad that House Republicans found time in their schedule to make this vitally important issue a priority.
 
2012-08-02 03:11:02 PM  

Zerochance: And people want to seriously rally against such an obvious benefit, and have the balls to claim that it's not for racist reasons?


Interestingly, I believe Spain, and The Netherlands have national languages (anyone with cites, feel free to correct). As do France and Germany, who as I recall actually have rules about not messing around with spelling or using too many 'foreign' words in adverts and whatnot.

But I'm sure that's because they are all racists too. (Well.....)

Anywho, many people seem to be saying that making English the "official" language won't make one bit of difference anyway.

So then do it. It won't make any difference anyway.
 
2012-08-02 03:41:41 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: rufus-t-firefly: Go white knight somewhere else.

Not white-knighting. This seems to be the same "This guy knows a guy who knows a guy we don't like" nonsense.


You obviously didn't read the rest of my post.

It's not "this guy knows a guy." It's "This guy loves everything about this guy and his racist group." He even started a local branch of the group.

Here's something you ignored:

On several occasions, he also posted announcements of Taylor's media appearances. On May 24, November 14, and December 25, 2003 he promoted Jared Taylor TV appearances. In another VFR post, he encouraged people to read Taylor's booklet The Color of Crime.

Jared Taylor

He has questioned the capacity of blacks to live successfully in a civilized society. In an article on the chaos in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, Taylor wrote "when blacks are left entirely to their own devices, Western Civilization-any kind of civilization-disappears. And in a crisis, civilization disappears overnight." Taylor believes in a direct correlation between race and intelligence, where blacks are generally less intelligent than whites, and whites are generally less intelligent than East Asians, as expressed in The Bell Curve.
...
In a speech delivered on May 28, 2005, to the British self-determination group, Sovereignty, Taylor said of his personal feelings to interracial marriages, "I want my grandchildren to look like my grandparents. I don't want them to look like Anwar Sadat or Fu Manchu or Whoopi Goldberg."

He isn't just a passing acquaintance - Vandervoort has closely associated himself with Taylor. That is relevant.
 
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