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2012-08-02 01:34:59 PM  
3 votes:
I think they're great, energy-wise. I wouldn't drive one, though, and not for the silliness factor. I'd be terrified of the thing just flipping over when cornering, and in the event of an accident, the crumple zone is you.
2012-08-02 01:27:34 PM  
3 votes:
www.inthenews.co.uk

I'd be more impressed if it had just been involved in a gold bullion robbery.
2012-08-02 01:12:02 PM  
3 votes:

Millennium: What is it about Smart cars that inspires so much hatred, anyway?


Because it offends the male masculinity. Thus, it must be hated.
2012-08-02 01:06:53 PM  
3 votes:

Millennium


What is it about Smart cars that inspires so much hatred, anyway?


Dumb people hate anything Smart.
2012-08-02 01:00:57 PM  
3 votes:
Cuter than this one?

d.awesomemyspacecomments.com
2012-08-02 12:45:11 PM  
3 votes:
Oh. My. God. I was watching this, and thought to myself, "Needs moar Yakety Sax." Then I saw this:

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Well-played, Jalopnik. Well. Played.
2012-08-02 01:48:29 PM  
2 votes:

natazha: Saw a Smart car the other day with a windup key, like they used to put on VW Bugs. My wife is too young to remember the original Bug, but we both LOL.

The only person I know that had a Smart car got rid of it because it couldn't accelerate on left turns.


I would be hesitant to drive one, because (by the look of them anyway) there must be zero survivability in a crash vs anything bigger than a bug. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but to me it would feel like driving a coke can.

And I used to ride around in SO's Fiero.
2012-08-02 01:48:17 PM  
2 votes:
Additionally; If Smart car owners really gave a sh*t about the environment they'd drive a 1998 Corrolla instead of buying a new car shipped here from France.
2012-08-02 01:27:08 PM  
2 votes:

jaybeezey: Millennium: What is it about Smart cars that inspires so much hatred, anyway?

For me it's their poor price to performance ratio. You can get a lot more car for the money with a Chevy Spark or Ford Fiesta.


For the size of the car, it gets really bad mileage. The Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit and a bunch of other cars in that class get about the same mileage and can hold four people and some stuff.

The only thing Smart cars do well is park in tight spaces, and that really isn't an issue in the US the way it is in Europe.
2012-08-02 09:57:40 PM  
1 votes:

dumbobruni: cruise control isn't standard in many cars. neither are Sirius radios...heck, that's an option on Mercedes.


Dude, have you ever seen the option lists on German cars (particularly BMW and Mercedes)?

Damn, it's INSANE. Everything is an option. What's more, it's hard to tell what options include others and what precludes other things. When we bought my wife's car one look at the BMW and Mercedes option lists turned her right off... sure, you can get EXACTLY what you want, but you're going to be ordering it.

The Japanese automakers are easier to deal with- you pick the colors, and then there's maybe a couple option packages and you're done. American automakers seem to be in between the two. Stuff that's standard on every Infiniti G37x is an additional option on the 3 series and C class.
2012-08-02 07:57:41 PM  
1 votes:
2012-08-02 07:41:47 PM  
1 votes:

clear_prop: jaybeezey: Millennium: What is it about Smart cars that inspires so much hatred, anyway?

For me it's their poor price to performance ratio. You can get a lot more car for the money with a Chevy Spark or Ford Fiesta.

For the size of the car, it gets really bad mileage. The Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit and a bunch of other cars in that class get about the same mileage and can hold four people and some stuff.

The only thing Smart cars do well is park in tight spaces, and that really isn't an issue in the US the way it is in Europe.


The European version originally was much lighter and was powered by a slightly less then 500cc engine. What you got out of it for about half the cost of the US version was nearly double the mileage, and a vehicle that was uniquely adapted for crowded, minimalist parking conditions.Made sense in Europe- not so much here.
2012-08-02 06:14:29 PM  
1 votes:

dumbobruni: IvanTheSilent: dumbobruni: IvanTheSilent: dumbobruni: Noticeably F.A.T.: dumbobruni: Blah blah blah ...


Ford F-150 (2004-08) IIHS offset frontal. Link Looks pretty safe to me.

Here's a more realistic test. Mercedes E-Class versus SMART Fortwo, IIHS Link Jump to 2:50 for the test. I'd rather be in the E. The passengers in the SMART would survive, but they'd be pretty farked up.

Here's another test of the same type. Ford F-150 versus Honda Civic, IIHS. Link The Civic is a substantially larger vehicle than the SMART, and they ram it into a vehicle that is substantially larger than an E-Class. I'd rather be in the Civic hit by the truck than the SMART hit by a car.

Why can't you just admit the simple fact that the SMART, by nature of it's size, is more dangerous to be a passenger in than a larger car? Hell, it's easy to admit iit's safer to drive than to ride a motorcycle, right?
2012-08-02 05:31:04 PM  
1 votes:

Kurmudgeon: StarshipAngel: Perhaps if Americans would embrace diesel engines in their cars, it could be done.

The problem isn't Americans, it's the corporations and regulations.
Most domestic brands as well as quite a few imports have European versions with a diesel available, but won't pass regulations here for one reason or another.
/loves my Cummins Dodge, it's just a bit big.


So much this. Ford UK has the Focus Econectic, farkin' clean diesel that gets (depending on your source) between 67-87 mpg. Plus, it's CO2 emissions are low enough that it would pass California's emissions testing rules. But Ford doesn't want to market it here stateside due to the "unpopularity" of diesel engines. Sad.
2012-08-02 05:22:03 PM  
1 votes:

StarshipAngel: Perhaps if Americans would embrace diesel engines in their cars, it could be done.


The problem isn't Americans, it's the corporations and regulations.
Most domestic brands as well as quite a few imports have European versions with a diesel available, but won't pass regulations here for one reason or another.
/loves my Cummins Dodge, it's just a bit big.
2012-08-02 04:22:59 PM  
1 votes:

dumbobruni: IvanTheSilent: dumbobruni: Noticeably F.A.T.: dumbobruni: has the IIHS tested any larger cars like this? oh no, of course not.

Testing larger cars against larger cars? They already do that, but it's just called 'testing'.

citation needed.

Why would we need to cite this? You've got the SMART, which is slightly smaller than your average teapartier on a mobility scooter, and then you've got stuff like the Escalade. It's pretty sensable to test to see how a SMART (or any sub-compact) would stand up to getting hit by something like a Escalade. How much sense would it make to have a special test to see how an Escalade stands up to an even larger vehicle?

congrats on agreeing with my original point.

the IIHS created a special test only for small cars, testing them against bigger vehicles in crash tests, as a way to argue that small cars are unsafe. that test against the Smart is a big reason why people shiat on the Smart's safety.

however, the IIHS has not subjected any car class above the subcompacts to a similar test.

the IIHS has also never tested the Escalade for anything...no offset crashes, nor side impacts. Odd, no?


I can see you're not getting the point. An Escalade is not a SMART. If you're in an Escalade and get hit by an International going 60, you stand a chance of surviving. If you're in a SMART and get hit by that same International going 60, you are well and truly farked. The reason why the IIHS tests sub-compacts against larger vehicles is because you are likely to encounter a vehicle larger than yours if you are driving a sub-compact. It's likely you will encounter people bigger than your SMART. It is possible, but unlikely, that you will encounter a vehicle larger than a full-sized SUV.

It's not some conspiracy, it's not some devious plot to say sub-compacts are more dangerous. Of course if you get hit by a vehicle larger than yours, you're screwed. It's just that if you're driving a SMART, a fattie in a hoverround is larger than you. If you're driving an Escalade, you're looking at semi's and busses to get "larger."
2012-08-02 04:21:18 PM  
1 votes:

dumbobruni: Detinwolf: I would not want to be in a collision while driving a smart car.

sidenote: why did the cops pull up onto the grass yard?

what would you want to be driving when you are in a car accident?


Tank.
2012-08-02 04:15:03 PM  
1 votes:
Awww, all the smart car talk. I thought this would be an irrational debate about the hard limits of DUI laws vs. trying people on a case-by-case basis. The guy blew high enough for the hard limit DUI laws. Yet he's driving, while being chased by cops, with the precision of a nascar driver. Clear evidence that blowing over limit doesn't imply bad driving.
2012-08-02 03:57:08 PM  
1 votes:
meh. I get 32 miles per gallon out of my 1985 Mercedes 300SD I paid $900 for, and I can carry five people and a crapload of tools and junk in the back. It has over 400,000 miles on it, and they tell me I've probably got another easy 400-500k left in the engine so long as I take care of it. Its slow on acceleration...I mean 0-60 sometime eventually slow. But, it sits on the interstate at 80MPH all day like a ton of bricks, has a lot of room, and when I got rear-ended by an '08 Toyota Camry Hybrid, the Camry was totalled and I drove my bruised and battered, but still working, Benz the rest of the way to work. If I can get over 30mpg out of that giant tank full size German car, there should easily be small cars getting 40+mpg if not 50+mpg. Perhaps if Americans would embrace diesel engines in their cars, it could be done. Its too bad GM forever ruined any chance of Diesel cars in the US with that dreadful Oldsmobile 350 Diesel and 4.3 V-6 Diesel in the 1980s. Those engines were horrible, but in general, Diesel engines tend to be longer lasting, and more efficiant.
2012-08-02 03:17:59 PM  
1 votes:

dumbobruni: Noticeably F.A.T.: dumbobruni: has the IIHS tested any larger cars like this? oh no, of course not.

Testing larger cars against larger cars? They already do that, but it's just called 'testing'.

citation needed.


Why would we need to cite this? You've got the SMART, which is slightly smaller than your average teapartier on a mobility scooter, and then you've got stuff like the Escalade. It's pretty sensable to test to see how a SMART (or any sub-compact) would stand up to getting hit by something like a Escalade. How much sense would it make to have a special test to see how an Escalade stands up to an even larger vehicle?
2012-08-02 03:16:11 PM  
1 votes:

slayer199: clear_prop: For the size of the car, it gets really bad mileage. The Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit and a bunch of other cars in that class get about the same mileage and can hold four people and some stuff.

The only thing Smart cars do well is park in tight spaces, and that really isn't an issue in the US the way it is in Europe.

That's very true. 40mpg in the highway for such a small vehicle is pretty crappy. That being said, I saw a lot of them in Rome last year...they park perpendicular to the curb and they can get away with it since they're about as long as other cars are wide.


That is THE one and only killer feature for those go-karts, and if anyone is driving one who doesn't park perpendicular or lives in a city that will cite you for that, they're doing it horribly wrong.

Big cities: It's time to get rid of most of the truck and 1966 Impala sized parking stripes. Just use the meters that give you a tag for the dashboard and let people park as close as they want.
2012-08-02 02:36:38 PM  
1 votes:

ha-ha-guy: Actually as a little side note, the favored vehicles of families in larger cities with good mass transit are large sedans and SUVs. Because if they're using the car, they're driving across three states on a road trip. For day to day things they just use mass transit. I'd argue that if any city has a massive demand for smart cars, scooters, etc that really means the city has farked up its mass transit. If the city is so dense you can't find parking for anything bigger than a Smart Car, it likely means the city is dense enough for some light rail or an expanded bus system at the very least.


You'd be surprised. Portland has a world-class mass transit system, with light rail, streetcars, commuter rail and buses, and you see smart cars all over the place here. Regardless of the fuel efficiency, I think they're perceived as more energy-efficient, which pushes a cultural button up here. There's also a huge number of hybrid and electric cars here, and of course bicycles.
2012-08-02 02:35:24 PM  
1 votes:
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2012-08-02 02:25:28 PM  
1 votes:

buckler: I think they're great, energy-wise. I wouldn't drive one, though, and not for the silliness factor. I'd be terrified of the thing just flipping over when cornering, and in the event of an accident, the crumple zone is you.


Not really:

Smart Car: 41 mpg highway
Honda Civic: 39 mpg highway

The Honda can easily get 4 people in it for a car pool. The Smart is a two person ride. So if you really want to save energy buy a used compact (no energy costs associated with making and moving a new car) and carpool.

The Smart, Fiat 500, etc concept really only makes sense with high density areas where parking is a premium and the smaller footprint is worth paying a premium for.

Actually as a little side note, the favored vehicles of families in larger cities with good mass transit are large sedans and SUVs. Because if they're using the car, they're driving across three states on a road trip. For day to day things they just use mass transit. I'd argue that if any city has a massive demand for smart cars, scooters, etc that really means the city has farked up its mass transit. If the city is so dense you can't find parking for anything bigger than a Smart Car, it likely means the city is dense enough for some light rail or an expanded bus system at the very least.
2012-08-02 02:21:51 PM  
1 votes:

clear_prop: For the size of the car, it gets really bad mileage. The Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit and a bunch of other cars in that class get about the same mileage and can hold four people and some stuff.

The only thing Smart cars do well is park in tight spaces, and that really isn't an issue in the US the way it is in Europe.


That's very true. 40mpg in the highway for such a small vehicle is pretty crappy. That being said, I saw a lot of them in Rome last year...they park perpendicular to the curb and they can get away with it since they're about as long as other cars are wide.
2012-08-02 02:20:58 PM  
1 votes:
media.techeblog.com

/Come at me bro.
2012-08-02 02:00:45 PM  
1 votes:

Millennium: What is it about Smart cars that inspires so much hatred, anyway?


The ForTwo gets 34 city 38 highway, has no cargo space and wouldn't fit two larger persons. Additionally, it costs about $15k new. My 2012 Kia Rio gets 32 city, 40 highway, and I can fit four adults in it, and it costed me about $15k, new. The Yaris, Fit, Sonic, Soul, Rio, Accent, Versa, xA, xD, MiniCooper, and Fiesta are all superior, and almost all the same price (or cheaper.) That's my take on it. They're like Apple, except unlike Apple they don't deliver on the promise of an (arguably) superior product. You pay a premium for an underacheiver.
2012-08-02 01:59:48 PM  
1 votes:

jaybeezey: Millennium: What is it about Smart cars that inspires so much hatred, anyway?

For me it's their poor price to performance ratio. You can get a lot more car for the money with a Chevy Spark or Ford Fiesta.


Yeah, it actually isn't an outstanding fuel efficiency. It's 36 mpg, which is "good", but there are some small sedans with that or better. Heck a Geo Metro gets better than that. But you're paying a LOT more to get this toy car with less actual utility, which leaves questions about the buyer's motivation. Idiotic "smug" is a possibility, to be able to say "I spent a LOT of money on a small car so I'm saving the planet somehow".

The deletion of the cab and trunk actually costs fuel efficiency on the highway. Most people see the need for smooth aerodynamics in front to "cut through the air", but the back is also important. A teardrop shape prevents the formation of a low-pressure "bubble" that drags on the back of the object. The Smart basically has the aerodynamics of a brick in this regard. if it were a sedan, the second row of seats and trunk will improve aerodynamics. And you'll actually be able to USE it to carry things, and people. Low capabilities don't save the planet- if you have to make two trips or switch to the SUV because this crazy thing came up where you need to put THREE people in a car, then that's a loss.
2012-08-02 01:53:48 PM  
1 votes:

Calmamity: Additionally; If Smart car owners really gave a sh*t about the environment they'd drive a 1998 Corrolla instead of buying a new car shipped here from France.


I drive a 1996 Saturn that gets about the same highway mileage as the Smart.

/not an environmentalist
//just a cheap bastard
2012-08-02 01:42:59 PM  
1 votes:

oldfarthenry: Millennium: What is it about Smart cars that inspires so much hatred, anyway?

'merikuns think of their cars like bald men thinks of their toupees - an extension to their masculinity (or lack thereof).


I mentioned above that I drive a KIA Spectra. Do you really think I have an issue with small cars in general?

Smart cars are exactly the opposite. They don't get super gas mileage, they are more expensive than other cars that do a better job at Smart's stated goals and they are unbelievably stupid looking.

I guess in the general sense, don't have a problem with someone driving a car that makes them look like a tard, but at least buy one that doesn't prove it.
2012-08-02 01:27:18 PM  
1 votes:
There is one of these in my hometown. The owner, a 60-something hippie with one of those grey pony tails, drives it . . . the license plate reads "FUTURE," and he paid to have one of the advertising wrap jobs, so the entire car is covered with anti-oil, pro-electric propaganda.

If that is your thing, then great . . . go for it, but this guy, I want to slap the smug right out of him.

www.litdrift.com
2012-08-02 01:26:12 PM  
1 votes:
Screw that.. I want to build one of these:

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2012-08-02 01:14:43 PM  
1 votes:

Millennium: What is it about Smart cars that inspires so much hatred, anyway?


Uh, they look like roller skates? The remind people of the Yugo? They look like death machines? Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather go with a mini-Cooper than a SMART car anytime.
2012-08-02 01:02:25 PM  
1 votes:
What is it about Smart cars that inspires so much hatred, anyway?
2012-08-02 01:02:10 PM  
1 votes:
He works at home with computers.

So his Fark handle is...?
2012-08-02 11:02:01 AM  
1 votes:
I am all for high efficiency vehicles. I think it's important for any number of reasons, but goddamn, every time I drive past one of those things I want to open my window and push it over.

My commuter car is a KIA Spectra so it's not like I'm driving a monster truck next to the ridiculous things, either.
 
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