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2012-08-02 02:15:24 PM  
Is this the cop?

www.simonsezz.com
 
2012-08-02 02:15:30 PM  

gunther_bumpass: Screw that.. I want to build one of these:

Link

[rqriley.hostcentric.com image 640x412]


Good thing that bumper's on there.
 
2012-08-02 02:15:31 PM  
I rented a Versa last month and it was fun. It wouldn't work for me full time, because I live in the hills and it doesn't have the power for steep. But it was zippy and handled well in the city. Plus, it had a lot of cargo room for it's size.

If I lived in a flat area or a city and wanted a little car, I'd definitely consider it.
 
2012-08-02 02:20:58 PM  
media.techeblog.com

/Come at me bro.
 
2012-08-02 02:21:51 PM  

clear_prop: For the size of the car, it gets really bad mileage. The Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit and a bunch of other cars in that class get about the same mileage and can hold four people and some stuff.

The only thing Smart cars do well is park in tight spaces, and that really isn't an issue in the US the way it is in Europe.


That's very true. 40mpg in the highway for such a small vehicle is pretty crappy. That being said, I saw a lot of them in Rome last year...they park perpendicular to the curb and they can get away with it since they're about as long as other cars are wide.
 
2012-08-02 02:24:25 PM  

IvanTheSilent: The ForTwo gets 34 city 38 highway, has no cargo space and wouldn't fit two larger persons. Additionally, it costs about $15k new. My 2012 Kia Rio gets 32 city, 40 highway, and I can fit four adults in it, and it costed me about $15k, new. The Yaris, Fit, Sonic, Soul, Rio, Accent, Versa, xA, xD, MiniCooper, and Fiesta are all superior, and almost all the same price (or cheaper.) That's my take on it. They're like Apple, except unlike Apple they don't deliver on the promise of an (arguably) superior product. You pay a premium for an underacheiver.


Actually, the mini-Cooper is pretty expensive but SO much cooler (especially the John Cooper Works Coupe). I'm actually giving it serious consideration for my next vehicle (sporty yet economical at 25 cty/33 hwy, turbocharged with a top speed of 149).

http://media.vcstar.com/media/img/photos/2012/03/30/wheels3_t588.jpg
 
2012-08-02 02:25:28 PM  

buckler: I think they're great, energy-wise. I wouldn't drive one, though, and not for the silliness factor. I'd be terrified of the thing just flipping over when cornering, and in the event of an accident, the crumple zone is you.


Not really:

Smart Car: 41 mpg highway
Honda Civic: 39 mpg highway

The Honda can easily get 4 people in it for a car pool. The Smart is a two person ride. So if you really want to save energy buy a used compact (no energy costs associated with making and moving a new car) and carpool.

The Smart, Fiat 500, etc concept really only makes sense with high density areas where parking is a premium and the smaller footprint is worth paying a premium for.

Actually as a little side note, the favored vehicles of families in larger cities with good mass transit are large sedans and SUVs. Because if they're using the car, they're driving across three states on a road trip. For day to day things they just use mass transit. I'd argue that if any city has a massive demand for smart cars, scooters, etc that really means the city has farked up its mass transit. If the city is so dense you can't find parking for anything bigger than a Smart Car, it likely means the city is dense enough for some light rail or an expanded bus system at the very least.
 
2012-08-02 02:26:25 PM  
media.vcstar.com

l.yimg.com
 
2012-08-02 02:27:42 PM  

slayer199: IvanTheSilent: The ForTwo gets 34 city 38 highway, has no cargo space and wouldn't fit two larger persons. Additionally, it costs about $15k new. My 2012 Kia Rio gets 32 city, 40 highway, and I can fit four adults in it, and it costed me about $15k, new. The Yaris, Fit, Sonic, Soul, Rio, Accent, Versa, xA, xD, MiniCooper, and Fiesta are all superior, and almost all the same price (or cheaper.) That's my take on it. They're like Apple, except unlike Apple they don't deliver on the promise of an (arguably) superior product. You pay a premium for an underacheiver.

Actually, the mini-Cooper is pretty expensive but SO much cooler (especially the John Cooper Works Coupe). I'm actually giving it serious consideration for my next vehicle (sporty yet economical at 25 cty/33 hwy, turbocharged with a top speed of 149).

http://media.vcstar.com/media/img/photos/2012/03/30/wheels3_t588.jpg


We have one Milford and it is total ass in the Michigan winter. I know a few resident engineers whose wives have one and they also curse the thing. Might want to test drive one in the slush before pulling the trigger.

/not that we had a winter recently
//maybe we have shiatty tires on ours or something
 
2012-08-02 02:34:38 PM  

Millennium: What is it about Smart cars that inspires so much hatred, anyway?


Because they run on bark ?
 
2012-08-02 02:34:56 PM  

namegoeshere: natazha: Saw a Smart car the other day with a windup key, like they used to put on VW Bugs. My wife is too young to remember the original Bug, but we both LOL.

The only person I know that had a Smart car got rid of it because it couldn't accelerate on left turns.

I would be hesitant to drive one, because (by the look of them anyway) there must be zero survivability in a crash vs anything bigger than a bug. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but to me it would feel like driving a coke can.

And I used to ride around in SO's Fiero.


the Smart did very well in the IIHS front offset and side impact tests. better than the last-generation Ford f-150, in fact.

the IIHS still doesn't recommend it. why? because it invented a new test just for the Smart, ie crashing it head on against a much bigger car. and it failed. the IIHS has only used this test on the smallest cars on the market (Fit, Yaris, etc) and all of them have failed.

has the IIHS tested any larger cars like this? oh no, of course not.
 
2012-08-02 02:35:24 PM  
www.kulfoto.com
 
2012-08-02 02:36:38 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Actually as a little side note, the favored vehicles of families in larger cities with good mass transit are large sedans and SUVs. Because if they're using the car, they're driving across three states on a road trip. For day to day things they just use mass transit. I'd argue that if any city has a massive demand for smart cars, scooters, etc that really means the city has farked up its mass transit. If the city is so dense you can't find parking for anything bigger than a Smart Car, it likely means the city is dense enough for some light rail or an expanded bus system at the very least.


You'd be surprised. Portland has a world-class mass transit system, with light rail, streetcars, commuter rail and buses, and you see smart cars all over the place here. Regardless of the fuel efficiency, I think they're perceived as more energy-efficient, which pushes a cultural button up here. There's also a huge number of hybrid and electric cars here, and of course bicycles.
 
2012-08-02 02:39:15 PM  
the Smart has a base price of $12,490, or a lease of $99 a month

Only the Versa and Spark cost less, and you can't lease either of them.

How is the Smart overpriced again?
 
2012-08-02 02:39:17 PM  
I would not want to be in a collision while driving a smart car.

sidenote: why did the cops pull up onto the grass yard?
 
2012-08-02 02:40:50 PM  

Detinwolf: why did the cops pull up onto the grass yard?


Adding insult to injury.
 
2012-08-02 02:42:25 PM  

Millennium: What is it about Smart cars that inspires so much hatred, anyway?


I haven't seen much hate for them, but they do take a lot of ridicule. Mostly because they are ridiculous little vehicles. I don't drive a big bike, but my ride still has comparable capabilities. Same wheelbase, same passenger capacity, a little less load carrying capacity (well, if I have a passenger, I can carry a lot of shiat otherwise), it has me beat on the whole "roof" thing, but I blow it out of the water when it comes to parking (which is one of its major selling points). Plus, when I romp on the throttle something actually happens.
 
2012-08-02 02:42:59 PM  

slayer199: [media.vcstar.com image 588x392]

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Are those out in the states yet... because I swear I saw one about 2 weeks ago. Did a doubletake at first trying to figure out what it was.

For that matter how safe is the Smart car in a crash?
 
2012-08-02 02:44:23 PM  

ha-ha-guy: We have one Milford and it is total ass in the Michigan winter. I know a few resident engineers whose wives have one and they also curse the thing. Might want to test drive one in the slush before pulling the trigger.

/not that we had a winter recently
//maybe we have shiatty tires on ours or something


If I get one it will be with an extra set of new wheels and winter tires. I test one last month and loved it...so I checked out a couple mini-Cooper forums and exchanged e-mails with a few owners and each of them said get new wheels and winter tires and it will handle well (since the engine is over the tires). While that will add about $1k to the price, they all told me it's worth it. I've test driven about 11 vehicles so far and overall, the JCW Coupe is the most fun to drive and meets most of my requirements (yes, I've been ridiculously anal about looking for a new vehicle over the last year).

Audi TT
BMW Z4
BMW 1/3 Series
Mazda Miata
Lincoln MKZ
Lincoln MKS
Mitsuibishi Lancer
Ford Focus ST
Ford Escape

I eliminated most of the other ones for poor fuel economy (plus premium fuel), lack of sportiness, boring styling, or poor handling.
 
2012-08-02 02:47:43 PM  

dumbobruni: has the IIHS tested any larger cars like this? oh no, of course not.


Testing larger cars against larger cars? They already do that, but it's just called 'testing'.
 
2012-08-02 02:49:11 PM  

Detinwolf: I would not want to be in a collision while driving a smart car.

sidenote: why did the cops pull up onto the grass yard?


what would you want to be driving when you are in a car accident?
 
2012-08-02 02:50:24 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: dumbobruni: has the IIHS tested any larger cars like this? oh no, of course not.

Testing larger cars against larger cars? They already do that, but it's just called 'testing'.


citation needed.
 
2012-08-02 02:50:24 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Detinwolf: why did the cops pull up onto the grass yard?

Adding insult to injury.


The HPD would never miss a chance to be a dick to a random homeowner.
 
2012-08-02 02:56:32 PM  

Calmamity: Additionally; If Smart car owners really gave a sh*t about the environment they'd drive a 1998 Corrolla instead of buying a new car shipped here from France.


A fair point. Any rebuttal from the safety systems group?
 
2012-08-02 02:57:29 PM  

Tsar_Bomba1: Are those out in the states yet... because I swear I saw one about 2 weeks ago. Did a doubletake at first trying to figure out what it was.

For that matter how safe is the Smart car in a crash?


Yep, they're available. I test drove a 2012 but the 2013s are out.
 
2012-08-02 02:59:19 PM  

dumbobruni: the Smart has a base price of $12,490, or a lease of $99 a month

Only the Versa and Spark cost less, and you can't lease either of them.

How is the Smart overpriced again?


You're absolutely right. For that base price, you get 4 wheels and a 3 banger. You don't get air conditioning, a radio, power steering, cruise control, electric locks/windows. Add in these features that most cars consider "standard" (really, I can get perhaps no XM/Sirius, or no cruise, but no base radio? No A/C?) and the price jumps to $15,160, plus destination and delivery and all the rest. So, the argument remains the same. The SMART is a small car which delivers lackluster performance, poor gas mileage (for its size, 36 combined is pretty good,) no cargo space and no interior room. The only thing it succeeds in delivering is a cute image.
 
2012-08-02 03:00:13 PM  

dumbobruni: citation needed.


Are they testing cars?
 
2012-08-02 03:16:11 PM  

slayer199: clear_prop: For the size of the car, it gets really bad mileage. The Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit and a bunch of other cars in that class get about the same mileage and can hold four people and some stuff.

The only thing Smart cars do well is park in tight spaces, and that really isn't an issue in the US the way it is in Europe.

That's very true. 40mpg in the highway for such a small vehicle is pretty crappy. That being said, I saw a lot of them in Rome last year...they park perpendicular to the curb and they can get away with it since they're about as long as other cars are wide.


That is THE one and only killer feature for those go-karts, and if anyone is driving one who doesn't park perpendicular or lives in a city that will cite you for that, they're doing it horribly wrong.

Big cities: It's time to get rid of most of the truck and 1966 Impala sized parking stripes. Just use the meters that give you a tag for the dashboard and let people park as close as they want.
 
2012-08-02 03:17:01 PM  

slayer199:
Audi TT
BMW Z4
BMW 1/3 Series
Mazda Miata
Lincoln MKZ
Lincoln MKS
Mitsuibishi Lancer
Ford Focus ST
Ford Escape

I eliminated most of the other ones for poor fuel economy (plus premium fuel), lack of sportiness, boring styling, or poor handling.


Thats quite a range in terms of budget performance, fuel efficiency etc.. Just what exact were you aiming for? You may also want to try VW Golf turbo. I owned a Mini Cooper S 2007 and was quite active in the mini forum (northamericanmotoring). Research the hell out of the car and know that the problems you will face. The interior rattles are pretty famous. i hope they have fixed the gear box because on the S version, shifting from 3rd to 2nd at high revs (2.5k shouldn't be considered high) would cause grinding noises. Clutches on minis burn out faster and can cost $2k to replace. It was a fun car but couldn't live with the headache. They might have fixed the issues by now but never taking chance on a BMW product again!
 
2012-08-02 03:17:59 PM  

dumbobruni: Noticeably F.A.T.: dumbobruni: has the IIHS tested any larger cars like this? oh no, of course not.

Testing larger cars against larger cars? They already do that, but it's just called 'testing'.

citation needed.


Why would we need to cite this? You've got the SMART, which is slightly smaller than your average teapartier on a mobility scooter, and then you've got stuff like the Escalade. It's pretty sensable to test to see how a SMART (or any sub-compact) would stand up to getting hit by something like a Escalade. How much sense would it make to have a special test to see how an Escalade stands up to an even larger vehicle?
 
2012-08-02 03:18:21 PM  

IvanTheSilent: dumbobruni: the Smart has a base price of $12,490, or a lease of $99 a month

Only the Versa and Spark cost less, and you can't lease either of them.

How is the Smart overpriced again?

You're absolutely right. For that base price, you get 4 wheels and a 3 banger. You don't get air conditioning, a radio, power steering, cruise control, electric locks/windows. Add in these features that most cars consider "standard" (really, I can get perhaps no XM/Sirius, or no cruise, but no base radio? No A/C?) and the price jumps to $15,160, plus destination and delivery and all the rest. So, the argument remains the same. The SMART is a small car which delivers lackluster performance, poor gas mileage (for its size, 36 combined is pretty good,) no cargo space and no interior room. The only thing it succeeds in delivering is a cute image.


the Versa is stripped out like that as well. the base Jetta doesn't have vanity mirrors, power anything, or more than 2 speakers. the Yaris doesn't have power windows either.

cruise control isn't standard in many cars. neither are Sirius radios...heck, that's an option on Mercedes.
 
2012-08-02 03:20:15 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: dumbobruni: citation needed.

Are they testing cars?


the Smart was tested in a head-on collision against a Mercedes C-Class.

has a Mercedes C-Class been tested against an E-Class or an S-Class?
 
2012-08-02 03:24:55 PM  

IvanTheSilent: dumbobruni: Noticeably F.A.T.: dumbobruni: has the IIHS tested any larger cars like this? oh no, of course not.

Testing larger cars against larger cars? They already do that, but it's just called 'testing'.

citation needed.

Why would we need to cite this? You've got the SMART, which is slightly smaller than your average teapartier on a mobility scooter, and then you've got stuff like the Escalade. It's pretty sensable to test to see how a SMART (or any sub-compact) would stand up to getting hit by something like a Escalade. How much sense would it make to have a special test to see how an Escalade stands up to an even larger vehicle?


congrats on agreeing with my original point.

the IIHS created a special test only for small cars, testing them against bigger vehicles in crash tests, as a way to argue that small cars are unsafe. that test against the Smart is a big reason why people shiat on the Smart's safety.

however, the IIHS has not subjected any car class above the subcompacts to a similar test.

the IIHS has also never tested the Escalade for anything...no offset crashes, nor side impacts. Odd, no?
 
2012-08-02 03:25:41 PM  
poor moran; i'm pretty sure the third DUI is an automatic rape sentence. not to excuse drunk driving, but it's rough to be addicted. i wonder if the new health care stuff will include more preventative health services, or funding for research?
now if you'll excuse me, it's past time for a beer run...
that bottom-shelf vodak beer
 
2012-08-02 03:26:39 PM  
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/tepid
 
2012-08-02 03:30:05 PM  

Millennium: What is it about Smart cars that inspires so much hatred, anyway?


it's poorly designed and over marketed
 
2012-08-02 03:34:42 PM  

Millennium: What is it about Smart cars that inspires so much hatred, anyway?


Nothing. It's the self-righteous farkwads inside.
 
2012-08-02 03:40:05 PM  

dumbobruni: Detinwolf: I would not want to be in a collision while driving a smart car.

sidenote: why did the cops pull up onto the grass yard?

what would you want to be driving when you are in a car accident?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WfegVDYIOU
 
2012-08-02 03:41:52 PM  

dumbobruni: IvanTheSilent: dumbobruni: the Smart has a base price of $12,490, or a lease of $99 a month

Only the Versa and Spark cost less, and you can't lease either of them.

How is the Smart overpriced again?

You're absolutely right. For that base price, you get 4 wheels and a 3 banger. You don't get air conditioning, a radio, power steering, cruise control, electric locks/windows. Add in these features that most cars consider "standard" (really, I can get perhaps no XM/Sirius, or no cruise, but no base radio? No A/C?) and the price jumps to $15,160, plus destination and delivery and all the rest. So, the argument remains the same. The SMART is a small car which delivers lackluster performance, poor gas mileage (for its size, 36 combined is pretty good,) no cargo space and no interior room. The only thing it succeeds in delivering is a cute image.

the Versa is stripped out like that as well. the base Jetta doesn't have vanity mirrors, power anything, or more than 2 speakers. the Yaris doesn't have power windows either.

cruise control isn't standard in many cars. neither are Sirius radios...heck, that's an option on Mercedes.


The Versa comes with a basic radio and two speakers. The SMART does not. The Versa comes with power steering. The SMART does not. The Versa comes with an air conditioner. The SMART does not. You can add cruise for $350 to the Versa, a bit more than the SMART. And you can fit 4 or more people into the Versa. The SMART doesn't fit 4. In the end, you get more car for your money with the Versa, and most other sub-compacts.

If you're looking at anything under $15,000 there will be features missing. I didn't expect my $15,500 Rio to have "ZOMG AMAZING FEATURES!" but I got Sirius/CD/Radio with 4 speakers, power windows, power locks, remote entry, power steering, A/C, better mileage (not by much, but it is better,) seating for 4 adults (5 if they're slim,) and a trunk. It's the same price as an identically equipped SMART, and it is a much more versatile and capable vehicle.
 
2012-08-02 03:46:08 PM  

dumbobruni: Noticeably F.A.T.: dumbobruni: citation needed.

Are they testing cars?

the Smart was tested in a head-on collision against a Mercedes C-Class.

has a Mercedes C-Class been tested against an E-Class or an S-Class?


How much larger is a C-Class compared to a Smart Car?

How much larger is an S/E-Class compared to the C-Class?
 
2012-08-02 03:46:31 PM  
Also, why isn't there more love in the US for gasoline turbos? For a small extra weight and a few thousand, you can easily get V6 power out of a I4 or V8 from a V6, and given the huge premium that higher end versions of cheap sport coupes go for, the cost shouldn't be the only barrier. Power-to-weight and efficiency-to-power always favors a turbo over a larger engine. Is turbo lag a deal killer? Modern turbos have all but eliminated that with lighter parts and computer aided tighter tolerances.

The only reason I'm not getting a Veloster Turbo this year is that I'm waiting for one with a double-clutch to come out, the old-fashioned slushbox in the current one is kind of offputting.

Where I'm going with this is that you could probably make even a crappy Smart or Versa perform very respectably with a turbo.
 
2012-08-02 03:53:04 PM  

Whack-a-Mole: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x300]
/tepid


That is exactly the sort of thing you'd see in Bithlo, Florida. I once saw a Vega with the "big-ass truck" treatment, and laughed my ass off.
 
2012-08-02 03:57:08 PM  
meh. I get 32 miles per gallon out of my 1985 Mercedes 300SD I paid $900 for, and I can carry five people and a crapload of tools and junk in the back. It has over 400,000 miles on it, and they tell me I've probably got another easy 400-500k left in the engine so long as I take care of it. Its slow on acceleration...I mean 0-60 sometime eventually slow. But, it sits on the interstate at 80MPH all day like a ton of bricks, has a lot of room, and when I got rear-ended by an '08 Toyota Camry Hybrid, the Camry was totalled and I drove my bruised and battered, but still working, Benz the rest of the way to work. If I can get over 30mpg out of that giant tank full size German car, there should easily be small cars getting 40+mpg if not 50+mpg. Perhaps if Americans would embrace diesel engines in their cars, it could be done. Its too bad GM forever ruined any chance of Diesel cars in the US with that dreadful Oldsmobile 350 Diesel and 4.3 V-6 Diesel in the 1980s. Those engines were horrible, but in general, Diesel engines tend to be longer lasting, and more efficiant.
 
2012-08-02 04:01:15 PM  

YixilTesiphon: AverageAmericanGuy: Detinwolf: why did the cops pull up onto the grass yard?

Adding insult to injury.

The HPD would never miss a chance to be a dick to a random homeowner.


HPD was not involved. DPS was in control of the chase, which really screws the guy. DPS has no sense of humor
 
2012-08-02 04:15:03 PM  
Awww, all the smart car talk. I thought this would be an irrational debate about the hard limits of DUI laws vs. trying people on a case-by-case basis. The guy blew high enough for the hard limit DUI laws. Yet he's driving, while being chased by cops, with the precision of a nascar driver. Clear evidence that blowing over limit doesn't imply bad driving.
 
2012-08-02 04:21:18 PM  

dumbobruni: Detinwolf: I would not want to be in a collision while driving a smart car.

sidenote: why did the cops pull up onto the grass yard?

what would you want to be driving when you are in a car accident?


Tank.
 
2012-08-02 04:22:59 PM  

dumbobruni: IvanTheSilent: dumbobruni: Noticeably F.A.T.: dumbobruni: has the IIHS tested any larger cars like this? oh no, of course not.

Testing larger cars against larger cars? They already do that, but it's just called 'testing'.

citation needed.

Why would we need to cite this? You've got the SMART, which is slightly smaller than your average teapartier on a mobility scooter, and then you've got stuff like the Escalade. It's pretty sensable to test to see how a SMART (or any sub-compact) would stand up to getting hit by something like a Escalade. How much sense would it make to have a special test to see how an Escalade stands up to an even larger vehicle?

congrats on agreeing with my original point.

the IIHS created a special test only for small cars, testing them against bigger vehicles in crash tests, as a way to argue that small cars are unsafe. that test against the Smart is a big reason why people shiat on the Smart's safety.

however, the IIHS has not subjected any car class above the subcompacts to a similar test.

the IIHS has also never tested the Escalade for anything...no offset crashes, nor side impacts. Odd, no?


I can see you're not getting the point. An Escalade is not a SMART. If you're in an Escalade and get hit by an International going 60, you stand a chance of surviving. If you're in a SMART and get hit by that same International going 60, you are well and truly farked. The reason why the IIHS tests sub-compacts against larger vehicles is because you are likely to encounter a vehicle larger than yours if you are driving a sub-compact. It's likely you will encounter people bigger than your SMART. It is possible, but unlikely, that you will encounter a vehicle larger than a full-sized SUV.

It's not some conspiracy, it's not some devious plot to say sub-compacts are more dangerous. Of course if you get hit by a vehicle larger than yours, you're screwed. It's just that if you're driving a SMART, a fattie in a hoverround is larger than you. If you're driving an Escalade, you're looking at semi's and busses to get "larger."
 
2012-08-02 04:44:17 PM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Benny Hill music?


EXACTLY. I watched the video with volume turned off and 'Yakkity Sax' turned up.

/ Fun on a bun.
 
2012-08-02 04:45:16 PM  

Krustofsky: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x220]

Not impressed.


If he drove it in the mall he could hide in a dressing room.
 
2012-08-02 05:02:05 PM  

IvanTheSilent: It's just that if you're driving a SMART, a fattie in a hoverround is larger than you.


I'm pretty sure I could fark one up with my motorcycle.
 
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