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(Think Progress)   Arrested man shoots himself in the head. Degree of difficulty: While handcuffed in the back of a squad car. Likelihood of a coverup scoring: Canada 5.0, Brazil: 5.1, Chinese 5.0, and a perfect score by the judges on the right   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 146
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2012-08-02 07:12:09 AM  
As a former LEO, I have a hard time believing this for a number of reasons.

1) He was searched twice, and they didn't find a gun?
2) If the gun was THAT well concealed, extricating it and then being able to pull off a near perfect shot from the waist with hands behind his back is highly dubious.

Of course, the autopsy will show more, but any physical evidence was likely tampered with.
 
2012-08-02 07:21:04 AM  
There's no description of the gun. He could have hidden it in his hair and wiggled his ear to pull the trigger. Let's not jump to conclusions. I bet lots of the druggie types have guns in their hair these days.
 
2012-08-02 07:22:27 AM  
Pot makes you suicidal, you know
 
2012-08-02 07:22:30 AM  

slayer199: As a former LEO, I have a hard time believing this for a number of reasons.

1) He was searched twice, and they didn't find a gun?
2) If the gun was THAT well concealed, extricating it and then being able to pull off a near perfect shot from the waist with hands behind his back is highly dubious.

Of course, the autopsy will show more, but any physical evidence was likely tampered with.


Yeah, this is the opposite scenario of the guy who shot himself in the head early this week. That guy initiated a gun battle with cops and was on a crowded street with people filming him and somehow hit his own neck and head with his own gun. Totally deserving of the injury.

This guy was probably executed. Smells fishy. Good test? Put the two farkers in the car in a solitary jail cell for the weekend and see if one of them cracks.
 
2012-08-02 08:09:28 AM  
THESE are the people you want to entrust when you take away guns?

Jesus christ
 
2012-08-02 08:40:31 AM  

cman: THESE are the people you want to entrust when you take away guns?

Jesus christ


This implies all of the guns are trying to be banned and is disingenuous, not to mention off-topic and inflammatory.
 
2012-08-02 09:04:08 AM  
Simple really -
Chavis
Arkansas
 
2012-08-02 09:07:14 AM  

cman: THESE are the people you want to entrust when you take away guns?

Jesus christ


lol

Any form of gun control = "THEY'RE TAKIN MAH GUNS, MA"
 
2012-08-02 09:29:50 AM  
I'm not sure what the hell happened here, but I am 100% that somebody is lying about it.
 
2012-08-02 10:10:00 AM  
they found pot and plastic baggies, but not a gun during their two searches?
 
2012-08-02 10:16:33 AM  
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2012-08-02 10:22:57 AM  
These rednecks had best watch themselves. I hear Anaheim cops are territorial, and this is THEIR schtick.
 
2012-08-02 10:55:41 AM  
This is just an isolated incident. It's just one bad apple. The police would never lie and risk losing their integrity. There were extenuating circumstances. Thin blue line. Who you gonna call?
 
2012-08-02 10:59:30 AM  
"Any given officer has missed something on a search, be it drugs, knife, razor blades, this instance it happened to be a gun,"

I usually don't yank comments from the article, but the top one was perfect

"I have lost so much faith in law enforcement officers. If they can' find a gun with TWO searches, my bet is that they won't find a good excuse either!"
 
2012-08-02 11:28:46 AM  
Was his name Marvin?
 
2012-08-02 11:33:47 AM  
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2012-08-02 11:35:11 AM  
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2012-08-02 11:35:54 AM  
I wonder if he knew that its called a royale with cheese
 
2012-08-02 11:36:19 AM  
why did Brazil score him 5.1 but others 5.0?
 
2012-08-02 11:37:32 AM  
Non-story. Overzealous trajectory.
 
2012-08-02 11:39:20 AM  
Scenario One: They missed the gun in two searches and somehow in spite of being cuffed this guy managed to shoot himself in the head.

That's not impossible, it's just unlikely.

Scenario Two: They cuffed him and put him in the back of a car then shot him.

You would have to assume they're the stupidest people on the planet. If they wanted to kill this guy and cover it up they would have done a lot better than this I'm thinking.

Just as unlikely.

I don't know what to think yet until the evidence presents itself.
 
2012-08-02 11:39:47 AM  

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1st thing I thought of.

But if you were a cop would you really shoot a handcuffed guy in the head in the back of your patrol car? You would have a huge mess, both literally and figuratively.

I think either way this was accidental, either by the guy or the cops.
 
2012-08-02 11:40:06 AM  

doglover: slayer199: As a former LEO, I have a hard time believing this for a number of reasons.

1) He was searched twice, and they didn't find a gun?
2) If the gun was THAT well concealed, extricating it and then being able to pull off a near perfect shot from the waist with hands behind his back is highly dubious.

Of course, the autopsy will show more, but any physical evidence was likely tampered with.

Yeah, this is the opposite scenario of the guy who shot himself in the head early this week. That guy initiated a gun battle with cops and was on a crowded street with people filming him and somehow hit his own neck and head with his own gun. Totally deserving of the injury.

This guy was probably executed. Smells fishy. Good test? Put the two farkers in the car in a solitary jail cell for the weekend and see if one of them cracks.



is there a video of this shooting?

i remember the spanish guy in california that shot himself inside the station. that was crazy
 
2012-08-02 11:40:12 AM  

slayer199: As a former LEO, I have a hard time believing this for a number of reasons.

1) He was searched twice, and they didn't find a gun?
2) If the gun was THAT well concealed, extricating it and then being able to pull off a near perfect shot from the waist with hands behind his back is highly dubious.

Of course, the autopsy will show more, but any physical evidence was likely tampered with.


That may be true, but the biggest piece of evidence was going to be pretty tough to tamper with - the autopsy. Mom says he was shot in the temple. If that's in fact the case, there's virtually no way he could have done this himself.
 
2012-08-02 11:41:59 AM  

MilesTeg: Ow! That was my feelings!: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 705x412]

1st thing I thought of.

But if you were a cop would you really shoot a handcuffed guy in the head in the back of your patrol car? You would have a huge mess, both literally and figuratively.

I think either way this was accidental, either by the guy or the cops.


If it was accidental by the police, they've gone out of their way to make it look criminal.
 
2012-08-02 11:44:23 AM  
How did this happen?
Search me.

/Ex cop here who can spot a dirty cop just by his uniform.
 
2012-08-02 11:44:31 AM  
The cops always carry one on their ankles for these emergencies.
 
2012-08-02 11:45:30 AM  
If the autopsy shows what the mother says is true, I hope they bury these idiots under the State Pen. Arkansas is corruption central right now. They just busted an entire small town force near Forrest City for working with drug smugglers by protecting their shipments.
 
2012-08-02 11:47:44 AM  
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/Hot... like a lethal injection probably feels.
 
2012-08-02 11:49:13 AM  
Wasn't there a guy in the mugshot pics with something that looked like funny on his head. Maybe that's where he hid the gun.
 
2012-08-02 11:49:16 AM  
How do you shoot yourself in the temple with your hands cuffed behind your back? Nevermind, let's just sprinkle some marijuana on him and get out of here. Open and shut case, Johnson.
 
2012-08-02 11:49:47 AM  
Criminals generally only get caught because they're stupid.

That goes for dirty cops too. So sure, shooting the guy while handcuffed in the back of your patrol car might be incredibly stupid, but there's a lot of dumb people out there.
 
2012-08-02 11:50:33 AM  
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2012-08-02 11:51:38 AM  

randomjsa: Scenario One: They missed the gun in two searches and somehow in spite of being cuffed this guy managed to shoot himself in the head.

That's not impossible, it's just unlikely.

Scenario Two: They cuffed him and put him in the back of a car then shot him.

You would have to assume they're the stupidest people on the planet. If they wanted to kill this guy and cover it up they would have done a lot better than this I'm thinking.

Just as unlikely.

I don't know what to think yet until the evidence presents itself.


scenario 3

ninjas or aliens or ninja aliens
 
2012-08-02 11:51:44 AM  
What does the driver of the pickup say happened? This guy was in the passenger seat so there had to be someone else there. What does he say?

Seems highly suspicious to me.
 
2012-08-02 11:52:02 AM  

randomjsa: Scenario One: They missed the gun in two searches and somehow in spite of being cuffed this guy managed to shoot himself in the head.

That's not impossible, it's just unlikely.

Scenario Two: They cuffed him and put him in the back of a car then shot him.

You would have to assume they're the stupidest people on the planet. If they wanted to kill this guy and cover it up they would have done a lot better than this I'm thinking.

Just as unlikely.

I don't know what to think yet until the evidence presents itself.


Scenerio 3: Hothead cop has altercation/ words with victim. Puts gun in his face to show hm who's boss. Either accidentally discharges the weapon or completely loses his cool and fires shot.
 
2012-08-02 11:55:33 AM  
The assbullet richocheted off the wall off the car into his temple.
 
2012-08-02 11:55:54 AM  

SlothB77: they found pot and plastic baggies, but not a gun during their two searches?


That was what came to mind for me too. How did they find the reason so easily but not the actual threat? Something is off here.
 
2012-08-02 11:56:05 AM  

cman: THESE are the people you want to entrust when you take away guns?

Jesus christ


This is it!
 
2012-08-02 11:57:14 AM  
Black, dope fiend, gangsta problems
 
2012-08-02 11:58:36 AM  

BizarreMan: What does he say?


Absolutely nothing if he knows what's good for him.
 
2012-08-02 11:59:11 AM  

Scerpes: slayer199: As a former LEO, I have a hard time believing this for a number of reasons.

1) He was searched twice, and they didn't find a gun?
2) If the gun was THAT well concealed, extricating it and then being able to pull off a near perfect shot from the waist with hands behind his back is highly dubious.

Of course, the autopsy will show more, but any physical evidence was likely tampered with.

That may be true, but the biggest piece of evidence was going to be pretty tough to tamper with - the autopsy. Mom says he was shot in the temple. If that's in fact the case, there's virtually no way he could have done this himself.


If I had a handgun in my handcuffed behind my back hands.. And I twisted my head around trying to make sure it was pointed at me, the likelihood of the bullet hitting me in the temple is quite high and the angle of the trajectory would be pretty easy to prove that
 
2012-08-02 12:00:59 PM  

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2012-08-02 12:01:53 PM  

Scerpes: slayer199: As a former LEO, I have a hard time believing this for a number of reasons.

1) He was searched twice, and they didn't find a gun?
2) If the gun was THAT well concealed, extricating it and then being able to pull off a near perfect shot from the waist with hands behind his back is highly dubious.

Of course, the autopsy will show more, but any physical evidence was likely tampered with.

That may be true, but the biggest piece of evidence was going to be pretty tough to tamper with - the autopsy. Mom says he was shot in the temple. If that's in fact the case, there's virtually no way he could have done this himself.


Tell her I said "hi"..
 
2012-08-02 12:02:32 PM  
I saw a new clip where the mother said that it's also fishy that he shot himself in the right temple even though he is left handed (besides being handcuffed from behind).
 
2012-08-02 12:02:55 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: This is just an isolated incident. It's just one bad apple. The police would never lie and risk losing their integrity. There were extenuating circumstances. Thin blue line. Who you gonna call?


Ghostbusters?
 
2012-08-02 12:02:57 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Scenerio 3: Hothead cop has altercation/ words with victim. Puts gun in his face to show hm who's boss. Either accidentally discharges the weapon or completely loses his cool and fires shot.


More likely they were roughing him up for information and pulled the gun on him to get him to talk. Then someone had an oopsie moment.
 
2012-08-02 12:02:59 PM  
I know some people like to say that blacks are more athletic than others,but this is a far,far stretch.
 
2012-08-02 12:04:32 PM  

sweet-daddy-2: I know some people like to say that blacks are more athletic than others,but this is a far,far stretch.


Maybe he was just double jointed??

Tah DAH!!!!
/case closed.
 
2012-08-02 12:04:41 PM  

randomjsa: Scenario One: They missed the gun in two searches and somehow in spite of being cuffed this guy managed to shoot himself in the head.

That's not impossible, it's just unlikely.

Scenario Two: They cuffed him and put him in the back of a car then shot him.

You would have to assume they're the stupidest people on the planet. If they wanted to kill this guy and cover it up they would have done a lot better than this I'm thinking.

Just as unlikely.

I don't know what to think yet until the evidence presents plants itself.

 
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