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(NBC News)   Psychiatrist of the Colorado shooter warned his university about his murderous fantasies weeks before the shooting. University's response: "oh well we don't need to do anything cuz he's dropping out anyway"   (usnews.nbcnews.com) divider line 251
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2012-08-02 10:02:19 AM
Hindsight is 20/20.
 
2012-08-02 10:02:22 AM
It's CYA time!
 
2012-08-02 10:02:57 AM
they should have created a massive dick and f*cked him with it. that would have ended this whole tragedy
 
2012-08-02 10:03:00 AM
Lawsuits against University in 4. . 3. . 2. . .
 
2012-08-02 10:04:03 AM
Well, that explains a lot. I would hate to be those people who made that decision. Several lives could've been spared or not injured.

I wonder how they sleep at night?

Also wonder if they can be sued...
 
2012-08-02 10:04:55 AM
Someone without shame needs to dress as Captain Hindsight for the backgrounds in CNN's coverage. Give them something worthwhile on the screen. Like a Where's Waldo while non-interesting trivia is repeated.
 
2012-08-02 10:05:36 AM
ATTENTION FARK:

I am giving notice that I plant to shoot the following in the face:

www.howmuchdotheyweigh.com

static.thehollywoodgossip.com

celebritywonder.ugo.com

/and by shoot in the face....i mean with my penis.....and baby batter as ammunition.....
 
2012-08-02 10:06:39 AM
We need to just divide the country in half. This half is "the government," and the other half are "the citizens." "The government" half is above the law. A person from "the government" is paired off with a "citizen." The government person watches the citizen 24/7.

Then things like that shooting could never, ever happen.... if a person from "the government" shoots a place up, they are above the law and it isn't newsworthy.

Bigger government... is there anything it can't fix?
 
2012-08-02 10:06:46 AM
Clearly the best way to have this shooter entered into our mental health system would have been to ban high capacity magazines.
 
2012-08-02 10:07:09 AM
Yeah they should have told the cops!....who would have said he hasn't done anything wrong and all of his weapons were legally purchased.
 
2012-08-02 10:07:21 AM

ChipNASA: ATTENTION FARK:

I am giving notice that I plant to shoot the following in the face:

[www.howmuchdotheyweigh.com image 450x654]

[static.thehollywoodgossip.com image 470x705]

[celebritywonder.ugo.com image 449x600]

/and by shoot in the face....i mean with my penis.....and baby batter as ammunition.....


I was with you until Rosie.

So what if they didn't do anything? What exactly were they supposed to do?
 
2012-08-02 10:07:41 AM

Mateorocks: Hindsight is 20/20.


This.

FTA:
she was alarmed by the behavior of James Eagan Holmes

Doesn't sound like she had anything solid about a specific crime.
 
2012-08-02 10:08:06 AM

ChipNASA: ATTENTION FARK:

I am giving notice that I plant to shoot the following in the face:


/and by shoot in the face....i mean with my penis.....and baby batter as ammunition.....


what do you mean by "plant" ?
 
2012-08-02 10:08:41 AM

steklo: Well, that explains a lot. I would hate to be those people who made that decision. Several lives could've been spared or not injured.

I wonder how they sleep at night?

Also wonder if they can be sued...


Patient Doctor priviledge, I doubt it.
 
2012-08-02 10:08:43 AM

steklo: Well, that explains a lot. I would hate to be those people who made that decision. Several lives could've been spared or not injured.

I wonder how they sleep at night?

Also wonder if they can be sued...


One of our local universities had a psych prof who shot and killed a student and then himself. It turns out the the Uni had lots of warnings about this guy, even before they hired him. I don't remember the exact diagnosis, but I think it included the term "crazier than a shiat-house rat".

The university has reached a settlement with the family of the slain student.
 
2012-08-02 10:08:45 AM
Can your psychiatrist really do this? Doesn't it goes against their oath?
 
2012-08-02 10:08:45 AM
That sucks but what can they really do?? I mean its kind of like that asshole that shot the lobster salesman. Cops were called on him before and they couldn't just arrest him for being a lunatic asshole. Just told kids to stay away from his lawn.

I'm not saying I agree with the inaction but really what is the protocol here short of possibly baker acting this kid?
 
2012-08-02 10:08:53 AM

ChipNASA: ATTENTION FARK:

I am giving notice that I plant to shoot the following in the face:

[www.howmuchdotheyweigh.com image 450x654]

[static.thehollywoodgossip.com image 470x705]

[celebritywonder.ugo.com image 449x600]

/and by shoot in the face....i mean with my penis.....and baby batter as ammunition.....


As opposed to shooting her with your penis and using wasabi as the ammo?
 
2012-08-02 10:08:56 AM
I don't actually see how the university is at fault, then again I can't really follow this article as its not "written," but more like random things thrown onto a webpage.
 
2012-08-02 10:10:04 AM

Mugato: I was with you until Rosie.


You don't fark a face....
or is it her voice??
They invented duct tape for a reason.

/moar for me.....White Men Can Jump...with my BONER
 
2012-08-02 10:10:13 AM
Universities that fail to act on vague rumours of serious criminal activity should have the death penalty applied to their athletics program.
 
2012-08-02 10:10:26 AM

Gough: steklo: Well, that explains a lot. I would hate to be those people who made that decision. Several lives could've been spared or not injured.

I wonder how they sleep at night?

Also wonder if they can be sued...

One of our local universities had a psych prof who shot and killed a student and then himself. It turns out the the Uni had lots of warnings about this guy, even before they hired him. I don't remember the exact diagnosis, but I think it included the term "crazier than a shiat-house rat".

The university has reached a settlement with the family of the slain student.


He probably had high anxiety. Should have asked Professor Littleoldman about his credentials.
 
2012-08-02 10:10:58 AM

steklo: Well, that explains a lot. I would hate to be those people who made that decision. Several lives could've been spared or not injured.

I wonder how they sleep at night?

Also wonder if they can be sued...


Out of curiosity, what could or should they have done? From little that was written in the article, it did not sound like her concerns were concrete enough to be actionable. And her concerns were voiced a month before the shooting. Should the police have started tailing him indefinitely because of a vague concern? Should we now have a registry of all people who have ever expressed violent fantasies to their therapist, and have these individuals tracked?

People wonder how this world got so messed up, with lawsuits everywhere and personal responsibility dead. You don't have to look any further than responses like the one above.
 
2012-08-02 10:11:09 AM
Paternowned!
 
2012-08-02 10:11:15 AM

GORDON: We need to just divide the country in half. This half is "the government," and the other half are "the citizens." "The government" half is above the law. A person from "the government" is paired off with a "citizen." The government person watches the citizen 24/7.

Then things like that shooting could never, ever happen.... if a person from "the government" shoots a place up, they are above the law and it isn't newsworthy.

Bigger government... is there anything it can't fix?


media.comicvine.com
 
2012-08-02 10:11:21 AM

Smoking GNU: ChipNASA: ATTENTION FARK:

I am giving notice that I plant to shoot the following in the face:

[www.howmuchdotheyweigh.com image 450x654]

[static.thehollywoodgossip.com image 470x705]

[celebritywonder.ugo.com image 449x600]

/and by shoot in the face....i mean with my penis.....and baby batter as ammunition.....

As opposed to shooting her with your penis and using wasabi as the ammo?


You just made my urethra cringe.....
 
2012-08-02 10:11:59 AM
I worked at a college counseling center for awhile and I'm surprised they didn't have a plan in place for this sort of thing. Usually the standard procedure is if a client threatens someone else, if there are clear intended victim/victims, and the client has means to carry it out then a threat assessment should have been triggered. Usually using university or local cops they kid would get hauled in for a threat assessment usually involving 2 mental health professionals. If he is deemed to be a threat they can then put him in an inpatient facility. This kind of thing happens on campuses more than you realize and most of the time it's nothing. There was a real push after Virginia Tech and the Gabby Giffords shooting to have clear protocols in place. If they dropped the ball on this one and didn't at least do an assessment, they better brace for the impending lawsuits.
 
2012-08-02 10:12:33 AM

GORDON: We need to just divide the country in half. This half is "the government," and the other half are "the citizens." "The government" half is above the law. A person from "the government" is paired off with a "citizen." The government person watches the citizen 24/7.

Then things like that shooting could never, ever happen.... if a person from "the government" shoots a place up, they are above the law and it isn't newsworthy.

Bigger government... is there anything it can't fix?


Congratulations. It's early yet, but I do believe we can crown you the winner of "Stupidest Response in Thread".
 
2012-08-02 10:13:06 AM

ChipNASA: You just made my urethra cringe.....



Aaaaaand my work here is done.
 
2012-08-02 10:13:29 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: Can your psychiatrist really do this? Doesn't it goes against their oath?


if there is a clear threat to self or others and the client has the means to carry it out most mental health professionals are ethically obligated to report it.
 
2012-08-02 10:13:31 AM
This is also like those stories of people having a crazy ex and the most they can do is get a restraining order. Then the ex kills them and the outrage is, 'why wasn't more done?!?!'....what the hell CAN you do?
 
2012-08-02 10:14:02 AM

ChipNASA: Smoking GNU: ChipNASA: ATTENTION FARK:

I am giving notice that I plant to shoot the following in the face:

[www.howmuchdotheyweigh.com image 450x654]

[static.thehollywoodgossip.com image 470x705]

[celebritywonder.ugo.com image 449x600]

/and by shoot in the face....i mean with my penis.....and baby batter as ammunition.....

As opposed to shooting her with your penis and using wasabi as the ammo?

You just made my urethra cringe.....


images.zap2it.com
 
2012-08-02 10:14:16 AM

steklo: Well, that explains a lot. I would hate to be those people who made that decision. Several lives could've been spared or not injured.

I wonder how they sleep at night?

Also wonder if they can be sued...


Of course they can be sued. I could be sued for not using my psychic powers to prevent an earthquake. They might even lose the suit. Doesn't mean that they _should_ be sued, but sure they can be.

/No, I don't have psychic powers.
 
2012-08-02 10:14:26 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: Can your psychiatrist really do this? Doesn't it goes against their oath?


Psychiatrists are legally obligated to report it if a patient threatens himself or others.
 
2012-08-02 10:15:41 AM
Done in one
 
2012-08-02 10:15:58 AM
It wasn't the university's responsibility to keep watching the nut job after he dropped out.
 
2012-08-02 10:16:52 AM
well, it's a good thing the shooting didn't happen at the university or they might be in trouble. The Psychiatrist has an equal responsibility to get law enforcement involved if there is a direct threat or any indication someone could be harmed.
 
2012-08-02 10:17:03 AM
To be fair he didn't shoot up the school. So they've go that going for them,. Which is nice...
 
2012-08-02 10:17:25 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Yeah they should have told the cops!....who would have said he hasn't done anything wrong and all of his weapons were legally purchased.


Actually, no, in Colorado mentally ill people are barred from buying or owning firearms.
 
2012-08-02 10:18:28 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: Can your psychiatrist really do this? Doesn't it goes against their oath?


They can divulge the information if they have evidence their patient may be a danger to himself or the public.
 
2012-08-02 10:18:49 AM
Wonder how long it'll take people before they realize things like this are completely unpreventable. Blame all the people you want, have all the hindsight in the world, it will not stop this from happening. Unless of course we go with the whole throw out civil liberties angle and just start rounding up everyone we think might go nuts. Which would be everyone.
 
2012-08-02 10:19:25 AM

draypresct: steklo: Well, that explains a lot. I would hate to be those people who made that decision. Several lives could've been spared or not injured.

I wonder how they sleep at night?

Also wonder if they can be sued...


As someone who has made that decision, it's not an easy one to make. Taking someone's freedom away by having the cops take them to a psychiatric hospital or letting them go with the possibility they pulled the wool over your eyes and end up hurting someone is often a judgement call of epic proportions. Most of the time you don't sleep at night no matter which way you go with it. And yes they can be sued but more likely the college will be sued. The mental health professional can also be dragged in front of their licensing board to have their career basically ended.
 
2012-08-02 10:19:56 AM

rugby-n-beers: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah they should have told the cops!....who would have said he hasn't done anything wrong and all of his weapons were legally purchased.

Actually, no, in Colorado mentally ill people are barred from buying or owning firearms.


But holding public office is A-OK!
 
2012-08-02 10:20:03 AM
what could they have done?

well if there were threats to other people involved in his fantasies, the cops could have paid him a visit

at which point they would have either found his cache of weapons or found him to be crazy.

duh.
 
2012-08-02 10:20:20 AM

rugby-n-beers: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah they should have told the cops!....who would have said he hasn't done anything wrong and all of his weapons were legally purchased.

Actually, no, in Colorado mentally ill people are barred from buying or owning firearms.


This. Also, at worst, couldn't the councilor recommended the guy get psychologically evaluated?
 
2012-08-02 10:21:27 AM
Expel all of the football players, remove their scholarships and fire the head coach. This university has to be PUNISHED.
 
2012-08-02 10:21:34 AM

chopit: drjekel_mrhyde: Can your psychiatrist really do this? Doesn't it goes against their oath?

Psychiatrists are legally obligated to report it if a patient threatens himself or others.


Interestingly, the only profession where there isn't an obligation to report as least some of the time is the priesthood. The shiat they must hear that they keep inside would be terrible life to live. That is more of a burden than I could handle and I've heard some pretty awful things as a counselor
 
2012-08-02 10:21:47 AM
Aren't Human Resources committees grand?

/HR is exists to protect the company, not you
//HR failed at U Colorado
///psychs have a legal duty to report in such instances, so the psych did right
 
2012-08-02 10:21:48 AM
And another thing, is there really such a thing as bad publicity?

Go CU Denver! Go mascot-less campus!
 
2012-08-02 10:22:16 AM

mrEdude: what could they have done?

well if there were threats to other people involved in his fantasies, the cops could have paid him a visit

at which point they would have either found his cache of weapons or found him to be crazy.

duh.


and, done what with the weapons? If he had not yet committed a crime, just visiting him and finding him to own weapons would mean jack shiat...
 
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