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Wicked Chinchilla		2012-08-02 01:16:02 PM

El Uno Magnifico: bdub77: It's kind of weird though that even though she's the overall leader in gymnastics and has been top of the leaderboards, they give the person in second place the last position in the rotation. I mean if you were in that position, you could potentially change your routine to make it more difficult as needed, you know the score to beat so now you know what you have to do. Seems unfair.

Routines are set in advance. I'm not an expert but I don't think any gymnastics coach in his/her right mind would let an athlete tinker at the last minute with a high-level, elite routine that has been practiced endlessly for weeks.

True. But in the women's team gymnastics one of the US girls (she was the anchor) took out one difficult move on her routine she was having issues with after they watched the Russians choke.

Siamese Bream		2012-08-02 01:17:23 PM

At this point I'm pretty sure there are magnets under the floor in this velodrome. How many world records have fallen in just the last couple of hours?

RminusQ		2012-08-02 01:17:57 PM

Gabby! Gabby! U-S-A!

El Uno Magnifico		2012-08-02 01:19:10 PM

Wicked Chinchilla: El Uno Magnifico: bdub77: It's kind of weird though that even though she's the overall leader in gymnastics and has been top of the leaderboards, they give the person in second place the last position in the rotation. I mean if you were in that position, you could potentially change your routine to make it more difficult as needed, you know the score to beat so now you know what you have to do. Seems unfair.

Routines are set in advance. I'm not an expert but I don't think any gymnastics coach in his/her right mind would let an athlete tinker at the last minute with a high-level, elite routine that has been practiced endlessly for weeks.

True. But in the women's team gymnastics one of the US girls (she was the anchor) took out one difficult move on her routine she was having issues with after they watched the Russians choke.

Oh, I can definitely see reducing the difficulty. That's a lot easier than making a routine harder at the last minute.

Granted, the guy who won gold at the all-around in 2008 probably could've gotten away with it, not that his routines could've gotten much harder.

Brother_Mouzone		2012-08-02 01:19:36 PM

Yeah, I got money on Gabby Douglas being the new star from these games. Boy I am sure out on a limb, arent I.

El Uno Magnifico		2012-08-02 01:19:54 PM

Siamese Bream: At this point I'm pretty sure there are magnets under the floor in this velodrome. How many world records have fallen in just the last couple of hours?

The bikes are doping.

there their theyre		2012-08-02 01:20:01 PM

So Ally Raisman got jobbed, beats Mustafina on 3 of the 4 events, ends up with the same score and loses...

bdub77		2012-08-02 01:20:17 PM

El Uno Magnifico: Wicked Chinchilla: El Uno Magnifico: bdub77: It's kind of weird though that even though she's the overall leader in gymnastics and has been top of the leaderboards, they give the person in second place the last position in the rotation. I mean if you were in that position, you could potentially change your routine to make it more difficult as needed, you know the score to beat so now you know what you have to do. Seems unfair.

Routines are set in advance. I'm not an expert but I don't think any gymnastics coach in his/her right mind would let an athlete tinker at the last minute with a high-level, elite routine that has been practiced endlessly for weeks.

True. But in the women's team gymnastics one of the US girls (she was the anchor) took out one difficult move on her routine she was having issues with after they watched the Russians choke.

Oh, I can definitely see reducing the difficulty. That's a lot easier than making a routine harder at the last minute.

Granted, the guy who won gold at the all-around in 2008 probably could've gotten away with it, not that his routines could've gotten much harder.

I'm pretty sure Leyva yesterday changed his highbar routine for a more difficult one, as it was all or nothing at that point to get a medal.

JerseyTim		2012-08-02 01:20:21 PM

Gabby doesn't even look that excited. This is why you shouldn't have 12-year-olds out there. They don't get why it's a big deal.

WhyteRaven74		2012-08-02 01:20:37 PM

Siamese Bream: How many world records have fallen in just the last couple of hours?

three or four

JK47		2012-08-02 01:21:14 PM

Siamese Bream: Fair enough. Maybe before that China had more total medals as well so I wasn't paying too much attention and just assumed the American sites I was looking at were ranking the normal way.

Not even close but you are forgetting the USSR and East Germany. Medal counts have been (at least in the US) expressed and ranked based on total medals obtained for decades. Check the counts for 1992, 1988, 1976, 1972, 1968, and especially 1964 (where you'll see US ranked second despite having more golds than the USSR).

This isn't some new trend used to maintain US supremacy in the medal table while screwing China.

Siamese Bream		2012-08-02 01:21:16 PM

Damn it, China.

bdub77		2012-08-02 01:21:23 PM

I don't see why in hell they wouldn't just give the tie in gymnastics to both individuals. That seems completely unfair.

JerseyTim		2012-08-02 01:21:37 PM

NBC is going to milk the hell out of this tonight.

bborchar		2012-08-02 01:21:50 PM

there their theyre: So Ally Raisman got jobbed, beats Mustafina on 3 of the 4 events, ends up with the same score and loses...

THIS: that's a horrible tie-breaker. So Mustafina screws up bad on one, but that doesn't matter. It should reward the gymnast who did better ALL-AROUND, I thought that was the point.

bdub77		2012-08-02 01:22:37 PM

JerseyTim: NBC is going to milk the hell out of this tonight.

Yep. It's amazing how quickly this event was actually over when you compare it to the 4 hours they stretch it out on NBC.

And my wife will insist on watching every second of it.

Gosling		2012-08-02 01:22:46 PM

Okay, not only do constant ads get on my nerves, but constant ads that run the risk of blowing out my speakers get me stabby.

Siamese Bream		2012-08-02 01:24:07 PM

JK47: Not even close but you are forgetting the USSR and East Germany. Medal counts have been (at least in the US) expressed and ranked based on total medals obtained for decades. Check the counts for 1992, 1988, 1976, 1972, 1968, and especially 1964 (where you'll see US ranked second despite having more golds than the USSR).

This isn't some new trend used to maintain US supremacy in the medal table while screwing China.

It seemed new to me at the time because I'd never seen them ranked that way before, so it appeared like a transparent attempt to move the goalposts. Apparently not, though, so my guess is that earlier in the 2008 games, China had more total medals as well so I didn't notice the different ranking system.

Wicked Chinchilla		2012-08-02 01:24:34 PM

JerseyTim: NBC is going to milk the hell out of this tonight.

That they will.

On the one hand: that is the stupidest damned tie breaker rule I have ever heard of
on the other hand, I am not looking forward to the epic cry and biatch fest that will eschew out of the mouths of the announcers.

fruitloop		2012-08-02 01:25:35 PM

Wait, I had cycling, then it changed to news...then I found cycling, and now it's water polo. Where did cycling go?

bdub77		2012-08-02 01:25:44 PM

So all you aspiring gymnasts out there remember, if you totally f*ck up one of your events, that might be good in case you tie with someone else. Then you win, because it's overall, and obviously screwing up worst in one event means you were the better overall.

Wait, what?

kevinatilusa		2012-08-02 01:27:21 PM

Pre-2012 Olympic coverage: This new tiebreaker rule is great...if they had it four years ago Nastia Liukin would have had another gold medal!

Now that it cost an American a medal, this new tiebreaker system will clearly be viewed as an OUTRAGE by NBC.

El Uno Magnifico		2012-08-02 01:27:52 PM

bdub77: El Uno Magnifico: Wicked Chinchilla: El Uno Magnifico: bdub77: It's kind of weird though that even though she's the overall leader in gymnastics and has been top of the leaderboards, they give the person in second place the last position in the rotation. I mean if you were in that position, you could potentially change your routine to make it more difficult as needed, you know the score to beat so now you know what you have to do. Seems unfair.

Routines are set in advance. I'm not an expert but I don't think any gymnastics coach in his/her right mind would let an athlete tinker at the last minute with a high-level, elite routine that has been practiced endlessly for weeks.

True. But in the women's team gymnastics one of the US girls (she was the anchor) took out one difficult move on her routine she was having issues with after they watched the Russians choke.

Oh, I can definitely see reducing the difficulty. That's a lot easier than making a routine harder at the last minute.

Granted, the guy who won gold at the all-around in 2008 probably could've gotten away with it, not that his routines could've gotten much harder.

I'm pretty sure Leyva yesterday changed his highbar routine for a more difficult one, as it was all or nothing at that point to get a medal.

If he did, props to him for pulling it off - I'm impressed. Just fighting against muscle memory is hard enough, much less doing it well enough to win a medal.

soaboutthat		2012-08-02 01:28:38 PM

Gosling: Okay, not only do constant ads get on my nerves, but constant ads that run the risk of blowing out my speakers get me stabby.

_{and here come the athlete}CHEVY REMINDS YOU HOW
Dear NBC,
I am at work and they don't pay me to stream the games so if you could either turn up your streaming or turn down your commercials, that be great.

I want/need volume because I am working on the first monitor and streaming on the second, and when commentators get excited I know when to watch.

Or, simple put get being horrible NBC.

Sincerely,
Mr. Soaboutthat

Siamese Bream		2012-08-02 01:28:48 PM

fruitloop: Wait, I had cycling, then it changed to news...then I found cycling, and now it's water polo. Where did cycling go?

It's on BBC 2, if you can get that.

Siamese Bream		2012-08-02 01:29:52 PM

So what happened with this tiebreaker that I'm hearing about? I've been watching cycling.

Siamese Bream		2012-08-02 01:31:08 PM

Ha! China relegated, Germany takes the gold instead. Deutschland!

kevinatilusa		2012-08-02 01:31:42 PM

They introduced a new tiebreaker prior to the 2012 Olympics, which is described here.

As it turns out, this time around Raisman lost out on the tiebreaker.

fruitloop		2012-08-02 01:32:26 PM

Siamese Bream: fruitloop: Wait, I had cycling, then it changed to news...then I found cycling, and now it's water polo. Where did cycling go?

It's on BBC 2, if you can get that.

Ahh. Water polo it is then, even if it is men's. At least Doc's calling it.

Gosling		2012-08-02 01:33:15 PM

What is going on in cycling with the Chinese team?

bdub77		2012-08-02 01:33:51 PM

Gymnastics has the worst set of rules ever.

Here's what's required:

1) Pay tons of money to learn gymnastics
2) Starve yourself and reduce body fat to 1%
3) Stunt your growth
4) Miss puberty
5) If you are really lucky go to the Olympics - probably only once, because you are 16 and will be replaced in four years.
6) If your team is good and you are fourth best out of everyone, so sorry you go home now.
7) Along with #6, someone will shove a camera in your face on international television and people will ask you questions ad absurdum about it.
8) Along with #7, they will also interview the person who won while you are crying in the background, to humiliate you further.
9) If you do well and you are tied for third best but someone screws up a routine more than you, so sorry you go home now.
10) Along with #9, someone will shove a camera in your face on international television and people will ask you questions ad absurdum about it.
11) No one will probably remember you in four years, let alone 8.

So, in summary: Become a swimmer or a runner, the worst you have to do is do an interview with a blunt b*tch once after a short event.

12349876		2012-08-02 01:34:44 PM

team usa putting the beatdown on team gb in men's water polo, 5-0 at the end of 1

bbfreak		2012-08-02 01:35:06 PM

Gosling: What is going on in cycling with the Chinese team?

Or the British team? Germany wins by default. :P

WhyteRaven74		2012-08-02 01:35:29 PM

annd there's some intrigue over at the velodrome

HeathenHealer		2012-08-02 01:36:17 PM

Brazil/Russia has a ridiculous ending.

WhyteRaven74		2012-08-02 01:36:58 PM

Gosling: What is going on in cycling with the Chinese team?

one of the riders crossed the start/finish line riding on the blue inside track

DammitIForgotMyLogin		2012-08-02 01:38:09 PM

One of the chinese riders has stormed out of the track ...

RminusQ		2012-08-02 01:38:19 PM

bdub77: wxboy: bdub77: It's kind of weird though that even though she's the overall leader in gymnastics and has been top of the leaderboards, they give the person in second place the last position in the rotation. I mean if you were in that position, you could potentially change your routine to make it more difficult as needed, you know the score to beat so now you know what you have to do. Seems unfair.

The order of performance is predetermined.

Sure, but in every other event I know of they let the leader go last. Snowboarding for example. Just seems weird to me.

The order was such that the #1 qualifier went last, preceded by the #2 qualifier, and so on back within the last rotation.

WhyteRaven74		2012-08-02 01:38:29 PM

bdub77: Here's what's required:

What's funny is college gymnasts actually look like young woman, have the builds you'd expect for a sport so physically demanding, and are every bit as good as Olympic gymnasts. But thanks to Bela and others, they're not even considered for the Olympic team.

Wicked Chinchilla		2012-08-02 01:40:35 PM

HeathenHealer: Brazil/Russia has a ridiculous ending.

hmm? What sport?

WhyteRaven74		2012-08-02 01:40:37 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: One of the chinese riders has stormed out of the track ...

yeah they got dq'ed and are having a fit about it, even though eve from a less than optimal camera angle you can see one of them was clearly on the blue as they went over the start/finish line. That's not allowed.

Lt. Cheese Weasel		2012-08-02 01:40:40 PM

12349876: Is America ready for a black gymnastics superstar?

'She didn't build that'

there their theyre		2012-08-02 01:41:37 PM

WhyteRaven74: bdub77: Here's what's required:

What's funny is college gymnasts actually look like young woman, have the builds you'd expect for a sport so physically demanding, and are every bit as good as Olympic gymnasts. But thanks to Bela and others, they're not even considered for the Olympic team.

college gymnasts are hot

Wicked Chinchilla		2012-08-02 01:42:10 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: 12349876: Is America ready for a black gymnastics superstar?

'She didn't build that'

-Romney, Salt Lake City, 2002

soaboutthat		2012-08-02 01:43:46 PM

Well done GB (water polo) way to get on the board.

GB fans, really a standing ovation for a goal? Hell, team USA has 7 of them so far.

WhyteRaven74		2012-08-02 01:45:32 PM

there their theyre: college gymnasts are hot

Indeed.

WhyteRaven74		2012-08-02 01:46:25 PM

I can't believe they dropped the individual pursuit from the Olympic program. Especially when the defending champion is English.

kevinatilusa		2012-08-02 01:46:35 PM

soaboutthat: Well done GB (water polo) way to get on the board.

GB fans, really a standing ovation for a goal? Hell, team USA has 7 of them so far.

GB lost their first two matches by a combined total of 23 goals. If they wait for an actual ovation-worthy moment they're going to have a long night.

12349876		2012-08-02 01:47:20 PM

soaboutthat: Well done GB (water polo) way to get on the board.

GB fans, really a standing ovation for a goal? Hell, team USA has 7 of them so far.

They haven't participated in the Olympics since 1956 so I'm guessing they're not very good. Which is sort of a shame because they won gold in 1900, 1908, 1912, and 1920.