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2012-08-02 06:05:02 PM

wingnut396: I would not mind of of the 800cc high pipe Sporters, but that is only for looks.

Once when I was shopping, I was told by many people, including the salesman, that 800c was just chick level bike. It was not enough to haul a 'man' around. I pointed out that I rode in a 72 CL350 that gets me around town just great. The old bike has more than enough acceleration to move around traffic and is light enought to use your body weight to help move it around. If that gets a 190lb guy around town fine, why the fark is an 800cc Harley not enough? I guess they either want to shame idiots out of more money, the engines just really suck worse than a 40 year Jap bike or both.


Yeah, never trust a salesperson or Harley riders when it comes to engine size. They too concerned with comparing their dick size to engine displacement. They are the reason why 1300cc is now the "mid-size" bike range. I started on a Yamaha Virago 700 and it had plenty of power. The only reason I traded up to an 1100 was to get something with more physical room so I could stretch out on long rides. And I'm a big dude, 5'10" 270.
 
2012-08-02 06:06:11 PM

drewogatory: Crashed (or neglected) imports most likely, not ones that failed mechanically


What color is the sun on your planet? Are you in another dimension where physics are different?
If no, then don't fool yourself.
 
2012-08-02 06:09:12 PM
No big fan of Harley culture here. In Wisconsin, they get a free pass in many ways: all the noisy "tributes" and "fundraisers" and "poker runs," and then ticketing lack of seat belt as a primary offense, but having no helmet law.

On a personal note: I rode a 1970 Triumph just like this back in the day, and get tempted to get back on a bike now and then, but I too damned old to be doing it, I realize. But, what memories they were!

Link
 
2012-08-02 06:12:39 PM
^^^^^Trying once again with 1970 Triumph Daytona pic:

Link
 
2012-08-02 06:41:04 PM

WhyteRaven74: dickfreckle: ///by all means, come on in and defend HD as a company that does anything but sell an image

What's funny is that Harley is doing what all the business and marketing wonks say is the most important thing, extending the brand, building the brand etc. As Harley shows, perhaps the obsession with brands is not well founded.


Credit appears to be the strongest brand and they exist in a market requiring consumers using credit. How many overpriced motorcycles did Malcolm Forbes own?
 
2012-08-02 06:41:18 PM

verbaltoxin: I've gone back and forth about a bike for a while. I live in the Midwest so I can get a good, 4-6 mos. a year use out of it, weather permitting. I'm looking at it from a "save on gas money, have something lighter and easier to park" perspective though.

What I'd like to have:
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What I'd probably buy:
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Get used to working on bikes then. NOT because they are a bad bike, but because the laundry list of modifications that can be done to the KLR is almost endless.

Here is mine, taken last April on my way out to see the parents.

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2012-08-02 07:46:31 PM

YodaBlues: wingnut396: I would not mind of of the 800cc high pipe Sporters, but that is only for looks.

Once when I was shopping, I was told by many people, including the salesman, that 800c was just chick level bike. It was not enough to haul a 'man' around. I pointed out that I rode in a 72 CL350 that gets me around town just great. The old bike has more than enough acceleration to move around traffic and is light enought to use your body weight to help move it around. If that gets a 190lb guy around town fine, why the fark is an 800cc Harley not enough? I guess they either want to shame idiots out of more money, the engines just really suck worse than a 40 year Jap bike or both.

Yeah, never trust a salesperson or Harley riders when it comes to engine size. They too concerned with comparing their dick size to engine displacement. They are the reason why 1300cc is now the "mid-size" bike range. I started on a Yamaha Virago 700 and it had plenty of power. The only reason I traded up to an 1100 was to get something with more physical room so I could stretch out on long rides. And I'm a big dude, 5'10" 270.


Hardley engines aren't real high output. The reason you're going to want 1300 cc is because that's about the minimum that will make a machine that heavy get out of its own way with alacrity, and get you a moderately alarming top speed. Sportsters do get something of a bad rap. That "girl bike" shiat is retarded. It's actually easier to ride the Big Twins. At least until they rubber-mounted the engines and added 50 lbs. to them in the process, a Sportster would smoke any big twin. The 883 just didn't have an especially high top speed. Maybe 100 mph, with a tailwind. They do have other deficiencies as motorcycles, though, which is why I won't ever buy another one.
 
2012-08-02 08:43:53 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Maybe if they made reasonably priced, good quality vehicles they wouldn't have this problem.


Bingo. A Harley is the worlds most efficient way to turn gasoline and money into noise. If you like to work on your bike, buy a Harley. If you like to ride your bike, get a Honda.
 
2012-08-02 08:47:15 PM

Guntram Shatterhand: Maybe their sales are falling because the bikes cost more than a compact car and get half the mileage?


The cost, yes. The gas mileage, no. They get about the same gas mileage as a compact car. Actually slightly better than most Honda or Yamaha street bikes. The pistons are big, but there are only 2, and they don't cycle very fast. The sales are weak because money is tight, and their product is priced too high for what you get. They shut down Buell and sold MV Augusta for a buck or something like that, not because they couldn't sell any, but because they didn't like the lower margins they made selling sportbikes.
 
2012-08-02 08:57:16 PM

drewogatory: They're moving on to the Can-Am tricycles.

Now there's a vehicle that's truly,truly embarassing. All the disadvantages of a bike, but it's the width of a car! So you too can sit stuck in traffic, yet be exposed to the weather at the same time! Genius!


Plus, they get shiatty mileage...
 
2012-08-02 09:02:33 PM

dallylamma: I want an Ural

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There's a Ural dealer in Lubbock and I went to go check them out not too long ago.

Do yourself a favor and don't go, definitely don't go sit on one. If you do, it's all you'll think about. They're built like tanks, and even cooler in person than you think they would be.
 
2012-08-02 09:11:00 PM
CSB time - I own a '06 Shadow 750. I live in an area that has annual "bike weeks". I pulled into a local dive parking lot a few weeks back to check out some of the hardware in the parking lot & have a beer. This kinda drunk pot-bellied RUB looked at my ride and said "Pffft...why don't you get a real bike?". I was floored. These people actually exist? This was a first. Most riders are pretty cool, regardless of what they ride.

I quickly glanced at his gleaming, mostly un-ridden Road King. My response - "Um, my bike has 2 carbs & a chain...and no payment. Yours has fuel injection & a rubber belt. Wanna compare odometers instead?" His equally fat buddy just kind looked down & shook his head. Fat RUB said "Farkin' rice burner!", lumbered off to the cornhole area & proceeded to play red neck horseshoes with his Harley-attired fat woman.

FWIW, most everyone that rides regularly doesn't give a shiat about what you ride - except those BMW pricks. They're in a pretentious league all of their own.

Harley makes good bikes. They're just way too expensive. And Victory? Same engine & tranny with different makeup applied. Overpriced, massively depreciating American-made stuff. Buy used.
 
2012-08-02 09:50:18 PM
I'm happy with my CBR 250.

//Not a "real" bike.
 
2012-08-02 10:29:18 PM

Asako: I'm happy with my CBR 250.

//Not a "real" bike.


My commuter is a CBR250... It's an excellent bike. Enough power to be fun, agile, easy to ride and I average 65-70 mpg.
 
2012-08-02 11:16:04 PM

forgotmydamnusername:

Hardley engines aren't real high output. The reason you're going to want 1300 cc is because that's about the minimum that will make a machine that heavy get out of its own way with alacrity, and get you a moderately alarming top speed. Sportsters do get something of a bad rap. That "girl bike" shiat is retarded. It's actually easier to ride the Big Twins. At least until they rubber-mounted the engines and added 50 lbs. to them in the process, a Sportster would smoke any big twin. The 883 just didn't have an especially high top speed. Maybe 100 mph, with a tailwind. They do have other deficiencies as motorcycles, though, which is why I won't ever buy another one.


True, but I was more referring to how the other manufacturer's are pushing big engine bikes in order to compete with Harley, like Honda and Yamaha. They did away away with their liter bikes a few years back, so instead of an entry level (500-750cc), mid-range (1100-1300cc) and high-end (1500+), mid-level starts at 1300cc's. They push the 750-950cc now for your first bike, which is kind of ridiculous for someone whose never ridden before. When I started looking a few years back, I went with a 700 cause it was perfect to learn on (took the MSF, so I was familiar) and still had enough that I wouldn't get bored within 6 months.

I may just be bitter cause I was originally going to get the Honda Sabre 1100, but they had discontinued the model when I was looking. I love my Yammie though, don't get me wrong, but those Sabre's were pretty sick...liquid cooled, single carb and they had the some damn nice styling. Always wanted to try to see if I could get a set of their wheels put on my V-Star.

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Slayinit:
FWIW, most everyone that rides regularly doesn't give a shiat about what you ride - except those BMW pricks. They're in a pretentious league all of their own.

Harley makes good bikes. They're just way too expensive. And Victory? Same engine & tranny with different makeup applied. Overpriced, massively depreciating American-made stuff. Buy used.


That's pretty much my philosophy. I've never really cared what anyone rode, sport, standard, cruiser, make or model, just ride and enjoy yourself.

Unless you're going to give me shiat for owning for "Jap bike". Then you can go fark yourself.
 
2012-08-02 11:19:27 PM

socodog: lunkhed: socodog: Posting this again from another HD thread:

I love this bike. She's been quiet, GREAT handling, reliable, comfortable, and most importantly FUN. You can pick up one of the older models for a pretty good price.

The haters can eat a bag of dicks.

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Great handling?
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha......hahahah
*cough*
Bwahahahahahahahahaha.

Handling means the way it handles corners. Usually infers that a bike can actually get round a corner without grinding grooves into the tarmac.

My old Honda went to the Isle of Man TT, then the day after it finished I took it across Europe to the Med and back, through the Alps etc. Without a spanner, without a pre-service, without breakdown cover. Because breakdowns were not an issue.

/ Oh yes, with a passenger and camping gear all the way.

Yes, I have ridden a Harley. At one third the price it might have been awesome, with chrome that stayed in the same post-code it would have been acceptable.

Cool story, bro. Ok, so I'm to assume you've put a bunch of miles on a VRSCD or are you just talking about your experience with OTHER HD products?


Dude, seriously. The VRod is one of only two half-decent bikes H-D makes, but it still isn't even half the bike of any sport-tourer on the market. Hell, something as mundane as a Multistrada beats it in absolutely every category. Want to keep it along cruisers? Fine. VTX1800 or Rune tears the pants off it.

H-D makes bikes for people who want only an H-D. They do not compare or compete against anything else, because literally everything else is superior. They sell image, not bikes.
 
2012-08-02 11:38:27 PM

Slayinit: CSB time - I own a '06 Shadow 750. I live in an area that has annual "bike weeks". I pulled into a local dive parking lot a few weeks back to check out some of the hardware in the parking lot & have a beer. This kinda drunk pot-bellied RUB looked at my ride and said "Pffft...why don't you get a real bike?". I was floored. These people actually exist? This was a first. Most riders are pretty cool, regardless of what they ride.

I quickly glanced at his gleaming, mostly un-ridden Road King. My response - "Um, my bike has 2 carbs & a chain...and no payment. Yours has fuel injection & a rubber belt. Wanna compare odometers instead?" His equally fat buddy just kind looked down & shook his head. Fat RUB said "Farkin' rice burner!", lumbered off to the cornhole area & proceeded to play red neck horseshoes with his Harley-attired fat woman.

FWIW, most everyone that rides regularly doesn't give a shiat about what you ride - except those BMW pricks. They're in a pretentious league all of their own.

Harley makes good bikes. They're just way too expensive. And Victory? Same engine & tranny with different makeup applied. Overpriced, massively depreciating American-made stuff. Buy used.


If its a Harley, definitely buy used to avoid the "Harley tax". When you buy a new Harley, you are getting a blank slate, they deliberately design them to either be really expensive, or you have to put another $2500 in it. Buy used, like i did wi my road king. Got it used low mileage, with all the good shiat already done. The only thing I've added is a set of grips (and about 10000 miles on it in the last 11 months).
 
2012-08-03 12:02:47 AM

forgotmydamnusername: Guntram Shatterhand: Maybe their sales are falling because the bikes cost more than a compact car and get half the mileage?

The cost, yes. The gas mileage, no. They get about the same gas mileage as a compact car. Actually slightly better than most Honda or Yamaha street bikes. The pistons are big, but there are only 2, and they don't cycle very fast. The sales are weak because money is tight, and their product is priced too high for what you get. They shut down Buell and sold MV Augusta for a buck or something like that, not because they couldn't sell any, but because they didn't like the lower margins they made selling sportbikes.


Please tell me what your Harley gets for gas mileage. I own a CBR929RR and a GoldWing, and would happily be willing to prove you wrong with either one.
 
2012-08-03 12:56:03 AM

Do the needful: forgotmydamnusername: Guntram Shatterhand: Maybe their sales are falling because the bikes cost more than a compact car and get half the mileage?

The cost, yes. The gas mileage, no. They get about the same gas mileage as a compact car. Actually slightly better than most Honda or Yamaha street bikes. The pistons are big, but there are only 2, and they don't cycle very fast. The sales are weak because money is tight, and their product is priced too high for what you get. They shut down Buell and sold MV Augusta for a buck or something like that, not because they couldn't sell any, but because they didn't like the lower margins they made selling sportbikes.

Please tell me what your Harley gets for gas mileage. I own a CBR929RR and a GoldWing, and would happily be willing to prove you wrong with either one.


Currently, 39 MPG. Stock, it got 45. I didn't go real radical with my cam. IIRC, your CBR929 RR is getting about 35.
 
2012-08-03 01:23:42 AM

forgotmydamnusername: Do the needful: forgotmydamnusername: Guntram Shatterhand: Maybe their sales are falling because the bikes cost more than a compact car and get half the mileage?

The cost, yes. The gas mileage, no. They get about the same gas mileage as a compact car. Actually slightly better than most Honda or Yamaha street bikes. The pistons are big, but there are only 2, and they don't cycle very fast. The sales are weak because money is tight, and their product is priced too high for what you get. They shut down Buell and sold MV Augusta for a buck or something like that, not because they couldn't sell any, but because they didn't like the lower margins they made selling sportbikes.

Please tell me what your Harley gets for gas mileage. I own a CBR929RR and a GoldWing, and would happily be willing to prove you wrong with either one.

Currently, 39 MPG. Stock, it got 45. I didn't go real radical with my cam. IIRC, your CBR929 RR is getting about 35.


Well my CBR is bone stock, and gets right about 40 around town as long as I am not goofing off. On the highway it's mid to upper 40's. My Goldwing is about 5 mpg less so about 35+ in town, and about 40 on the slab. My dad's GL1800 on the other hand is consistently mid 40's.
 
2012-08-03 10:24:49 AM

dickfreckle: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I have friends that not only own Harleys, but they also own every bit of gear and apparel available. As usual with things like this, people wind up demonstrating their individuality by being exactly like everyone else

Bingo. If you sample 100 riders of every other brand, you will find a diverse collection of gear, riding style/class, etc. With Harley, there's just one: Wear no helmet (or minimal novelty skull cap as required state-by-state) + $1000 in stupid fashion-weight, branded 'gear' that offers little to zero protection in the event of an accident.

I'm sorry to troll you guys, but Harley riders are, as a percentage, the biggest morons on the road. And that would be fine if you dolts weren't trying to tell me that loud pipes are a safety feature while fumbling through second gear out of the Hooters happy hour parking lot with a farking bandanna and some tassels to protect you.

Seriously, you guys are a joke, and you're not replenishing your rapidly aging fanbase with younger riders. Even Gen-Xers (like myself) who are approaching their 40s think you're lame. You are the Republican party of motorcycles.

/Triumph Speed Triple
//daily urban commuter for nearly 20 years
///by all means, come on in and defend HD as a company that does anything but sell an image


Nice bike.

/street trip r myself. Mean little buggers
 
2012-08-03 11:50:27 AM

Ontos: Asako: I'm happy with my CBR 250.

//Not a "real" bike.

My commuter is a CBR250... It's an excellent bike. Enough power to be fun, agile, easy to ride and I average 65-70 mpg.


I commute on mine and I've done a bit of touring on it. They definitely are nice bikes but you'll constantly get shiat from people about having such a "small" bike.
 
2012-08-03 11:56:49 AM

forgotmydamnusername: Do the needful: forgotmydamnusername: Guntram Shatterhand: Maybe their sales are falling because the bikes cost more than a compact car and get half the mileage?

The cost, yes. The gas mileage, no. They get about the same gas mileage as a compact car. Actually slightly better than most Honda or Yamaha street bikes. The pistons are big, but there are only 2, and they don't cycle very fast. The sales are weak because money is tight, and their product is priced too high for what you get. They shut down Buell and sold MV Augusta for a buck or something like that, not because they couldn't sell any, but because they didn't like the lower margins they made selling sportbikes.

Please tell me what your Harley gets for gas mileage. I own a CBR929RR and a GoldWing, and would happily be willing to prove you wrong with either one.

Currently, 39 MPG. Stock, it got 45. I didn't go real radical with my cam. IIRC, your CBR929 RR is getting about 35.


If I weren't a bit of a hooligan, my R6 and S2R would both be over 45mpg. I average 42mpg with my riding habits on both bikes. Most Yammies and Hondas are either around or above my current average for typical MPG.

/surprised at the MPG of the Ducati
 
2012-08-03 12:30:44 PM

Asako: Ontos: Asako: I'm happy with my CBR 250.

//Not a "real" bike.

My commuter is a CBR250... It's an excellent bike. Enough power to be fun, agile, easy to ride and I average 65-70 mpg.

I commute on mine and I've done a bit of touring on it. They definitely are nice bikes but you'll constantly get shiat from people about having such a "small" bike.


I'll never get why folks hate on small bikes. Current superbikes are overpowered to the point of uselessness for 95% of riders. When folks like Eddie Lawson and Kevin Schwantz flat out say they couldn't ride the current bikes anywhere near their potential on the street I tend to listen to them, not squidley down at the Rock Store. I'd far,far rather have a lighter,nimbler street bike and a dedicated race bike than a daily driver I take to track days. Considering the depreciation and the expense of fixing bodywork, you can easily grab a 4 or 5 year old GSXR or R1 or CBR for less than half of new. That way you aren't paying the insane running costs like insurance and rear tires that you would be using a supersport for a daily driver. I'll say it again: Much,much more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow. And cheaper too.
 
2012-08-03 01:06:28 PM
My Honda Aero 750 gets me around pretty well. The only complaint I have is when I go on road trips, then it is a bit underpowered. Around town it's fantastic, and I get great gas mileage with it.

I admit that I've wanted to get a Harley since I was a kid. Mainly due to my uncles having them, and how bad ass they were. When I bought my Honda it was the full intention of upgrading in a few years. But I've looked at a lot of Harleys, and I can't say I'm all that eager to drop 20k on one. I'll probably end up getting a Honda Interstate or Sabre in stead at almost 60% of what I'd spend on a HD.

And yeah, the attitude of some HD riders I've met hasn't helped. Many are cool, and some have even gone so far as to compliment my bike, but you do run into the occasional asshats that are HD snobs to the extreme.
 
2012-08-03 01:37:47 PM

Kuroshin: If I weren't a bit of a hooligan, my R6 and S2R would both be over 45mpg. I average 42mpg with my riding habits on both bikes. Most Yammies and Hondas are either around or above my current average for typical MPG.

/surprised at the MPG of the Ducati


That's impressive for an S2R, even the 800.
 
2012-08-03 01:58:43 PM

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Kuroshin: If I weren't a bit of a hooligan, my R6 and S2R would both be over 45mpg. I average 42mpg with my riding habits on both bikes. Most Yammies and Hondas are either around or above my current average for typical MPG.

/surprised at the MPG of the Ducati

That's impressive for an S2R, even the 800.


Huh, 'cause my SC1000 gets maybe 28. And has an insanely small tank. It's really kind of annoying.
 
2012-08-03 02:30:18 PM
I have a '97 883. This is my second summer with it and I've had 0 problems in 15k miles so far. It was cheap,
I also have a yamaha wr250x for local fun.

I dream of the day I can buy a monster 1100 with termis. I'd trade a kidney for one if they'd take it.
 
2012-08-03 05:37:45 PM
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V-4 represent!
 
2012-08-03 07:51:27 PM
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Propz to the subby for the reference.

/I like the girls with big big teets!!!
 
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