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2012-08-02 12:22:48 PM  

HeathenHealer: drewogatory: trotsky: oldfarthenry: drewogatory: They're moving on to the Can-Am tricycles.

Now there's a vehicle that's truly,truly embarassing. All the disadvantages of a bike, but it's the width of a car! So you too can sit stuck in traffic, yet be exposed to the weather at the same time! Genius!

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 776x554]
Puh-leeze! It's a snowmobile that you can ride in the summer!

This is quickly becoming a Stugis Staple. Don't believe me? Come and see for yourself. They still drive like 90 year olds though. Plus these damn things cost as much as a decent car.

The only way I'm visiting Sturgis is at the controls of a B-52 loaded with daisy cutters.

Uggggh, Sturgis. I live on the other side of the state but we still get TONS of bikers coming through on I-90/I-29 and staying in Sioux Falls overnight. Pretty decent mix of hardcore types and complete tools.


They had the Hell's Angels convention up here last week because they're not welcomed at Sturgis anymore. There is a chapter of a club in Rapid shiatty, I forget who, maybe the Mongols? So the hardcore folks were pretty much already here and left. We went to Sturgis last week to see Old Fort Meade, which was cool. They were already setting up for the week. My SDCC=Sturgis comparison, I think, is dead on. They even had massive Sons of Anarchy promo banners.

I want to start some sort of beer delivery service to the rubes in the campgrounds. I only need three choices and a van. There is serious money to be made with the tools on Harleys.
 
2012-08-02 12:23:38 PM  

Major Broca: assjuice: James Dean rode his Harley right into a ditch

Came looking for the Bollock Brothers. Leaving satisfied.


I was disappointed it took so long.

/subby
 
2012-08-02 12:28:55 PM  
i1181.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-02 12:31:05 PM  
FTA: "Overall, revenue generated by motorcycles and related products rose 17%to $1.57 billion during the third quarter. But that missed analysts' targets for revenue of $1.63 billion. Harley-Davidson's profit jumped 30% to $247.3 million, or $1.07 per share, beating forecasts by 2 cents."

Won the game but didn't beat the spread.
 
2012-08-02 12:31:45 PM  
HD is basically a cult here in Quebec. On the way to Burlington the other day, I spotted some guy in a HD T-shirt polishing his bike next to his freshly washed HD edition F150 in front of his black and orange garage. Pretty run of the mill here.
 
2012-08-02 12:39:45 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think that's what's kept them going this long. I have friends that not only own Harleys, but they also own every bit of gear and apparel available. As usual with things like this, people wind up demonstrating their individuality by being exactly like everyone else


That raises another point - I wonder what percentage of people sporting "West Coast Choppers" gear has ever ridden a motorcycle, let alone owns one of their choppers? I'm guessing the percentages for both are pretty low.

/ I don't own or a motorcycle
// I don't wear biker gear
 
2012-08-02 12:40:54 PM  

drewogatory: hahahahahaha. Seriously, those things should come with free testicular removal. You'd better be paralyzed from the waist down if you're on one of those.


blog.cycleworld.com

"What's that you're saying, boy?"
 
2012-08-02 12:42:45 PM  
Another company faultering because it doesn't have a share of generation Y. Which is broke as shiat.
 
2012-08-02 12:46:46 PM  

cryinoutloud: drewogatory: hahahahahaha. Seriously, those things should come with free testicular removal. You'd better be paralyzed from the waist down if you're on one of those.

[blog.cycleworld.com image 620x465]

"What's that you're saying, boy?"


But that's Putin. Putin could wear women's clothes and carry a cheap katana from a flea market and still be sinister. When a fat mong rides one, those things are less than threatening.
 
2012-08-02 12:48:42 PM  

Jclark666: Major Broca: assjuice: James Dean rode his Harley right into a ditch

Came looking for the Bollock Brothers. Leaving satisfied.

I was disappointed it took so long.

/subby


You and me both.
 
2012-08-02 12:55:20 PM  
A trike I like:
images.gizmag.com
 
2012-08-02 12:57:39 PM  

Explodo: I don't know a Harley rider that's not a tool. I know motorcycle riders that aren't tools, but all the Harley riders are know are tools.

One thing I've never understood: Why the hell would you buy the heaviest most unreliable motorcycle you can find for "the freedom of the open road" anyway?

It's like saying you love driving and buying a '78 cadillac convertible. That's not driving, that's just cruising. Oh I get it now. They just want to cruise. They want the equivalent of a '78 cadillac convertible, but with 2 wheels. I've never thought of it that way before. They're the guys who'd rather have a '78 caddy than a performance car. That explains the slow driving too!


Not a bike guy either, but this makes sense. I've been looking for a project car and looking at all the dream cars of my youth. Every time I see an old 911 Targa, a 968 or a nice old Corvette, I think "Man, I'm going to start looking for one of those. On the weekends I can take it out and just drive.....I wonder if the seats are comfy. I spend most of my driving going from red light to red light. You know, they do ride kind of rough, that's going to be a pain. Not likely a week of groceried for a family of 5 is going to fit in it, so trips to the store are out. No good mountain roads around here either. Maybe I'll find an old Lincoln or Caddy."
 
2012-08-02 01:05:17 PM  
Well imagine that...people aren't willing to spend their money on an overpriced name and noise anymore.
 
2012-08-02 01:07:04 PM  
Q: What's the difference between a Harley and a Hoover?


A: The location of the dirt bag.
 
2012-08-02 01:15:19 PM  
That's what you get for assassinating Buell, you farking bastards.

/die!
//die die die!
///and take those 1000-mile-per-year posers with you!
 
2012-08-02 01:16:33 PM  
Can. not. go. bankrupt. fast. enough.

Every loud-piped Harley rider is an abject douche-nozzle.

Here is a bike that is too much for your typical Harley-riding nancy-puss:

www.theworldofmotorcycles.com
 
2012-08-02 01:18:55 PM  

Cuyose: Bike Thread!

Picked up this last year, and im convinced it's the best all around bike made till now!

[www.smartcycleshopper.com image 500x332]


At least Ducati fixed the horrible styling of the Multistrada.

Multistrada:
dayerses.com

Multipla:
carinstance.com
 
2012-08-02 01:19:32 PM  

SevenizGud: Can. not. go. bankrupt. fast. enough.

Every loud-piped Harley rider is an abject douche-nozzle.

Here is a bike that is too much for your typical Harley-riding nancy-puss:

[www.theworldofmotorcycles.com image 468x310]


I would kill a guy for a Vincent.
 
2012-08-02 01:24:39 PM  

assjuice: James Dean rode his harley right in the ditch


Harley David you son-of-a-biatch.
 
2012-08-02 01:24:50 PM  

Kuroshin: Cuyose: Bike Thread!

Picked up this last year, and im convinced it's the best all around bike made till now!

[www.smartcycleshopper.com image 500x332]

At least Ducati fixed the horrible styling of the Multistrada.

Multistrada:
[dayerses.com image 640x480]

Multipla:
[carinstance.com image 460x345]


Which means the older 1000s should be cheaper. I've often regretted buying a Sport Classic over a 'strada, maybe I can rectify that.
 
2012-08-02 01:26:45 PM  
I can haz bike pron thread?

i50.tinypic.com

My baby...2008 Yamaha V-Star 1100 Custom. Bought brand new from the showroom floor. I've done all the mechanical and body work, including a fresh paint job this past spring. The only time she goes into the shop is for inspection. Added a fairing and stereo system over winter for touring. Despite the extra weight, she's still pretty nimble, but I'm definitely more of a touring cruiser than anything else. I love the long trips, riding sun-up to sundown. Last year did a trip from western NY to the Outer Banks, year before that was to Acadia National Park.

As for Harley, the bikes are nice, always had a thing for the Street glides personally, but almost every Harley Rider I've ever run into has turned out to be a dick who gives me the stink eye cause I had the audacity to buy a different brand.
 
2012-08-02 01:35:17 PM  

Kuroshin: At least Ducati fixed the horrible styling of the Multistrada.


Hey, they took a leap. I actually admire that. The Ducati - HD comparison is interesting, because Ducati is so much more vibrant of a company. Fewer people and less money, they still build bikes that get serious buzz in just about every niche of motorcycling. If HD stepped up and tried something out of their comfort zone, I for one would applaud them. To me, their bikes fail on core motorcycle-y things like acceleration and handling, but excel at being a "brand" - and I want a motorcycle, not a brand.

/Honda VFR 2002
//60,000 or so miles
 
2012-08-02 01:42:23 PM  

Cheron: About 15 years ago I attended a technical conference where the VP of Engineering for Harley was the key note speaker.


I call BS. Harley-Davidson doesn't have an engineering department. He may have been "VP of Engineer" though.
 
2012-08-02 01:45:55 PM  

Hyjamon: MaudlinMutantMollusk: kmmontandon: MaudlinMutantMollusk:
/now it's symbolic of being a pretentious boomer assclown
//do not want

I'd have thought the desperate aging-badly-and-insecurely retiring boomer wave would keep Harley Davidson afloat, especially given the increasing number of fat, old, suburbanites I've seen riding them.

I think that's what's kept them going this long. I have friends that not only own Harleys, but they also own every bit of gear and apparel available. As usual with things like this, people wind up demonstrating their individuality by being exactly like everyone else

/If I were going to buy a bike now, I'd be looking at a Hayabusa
//out of my way, old guys
///old guy

maybe harley-davidson needs to start making hover-rounds


ROFL
 
2012-08-02 01:52:12 PM  

Kuroshin: SevenizGud: Can. not. go. bankrupt. fast. enough.

Every loud-piped Harley rider is an abject douche-nozzle.

Here is a bike that is too much for your typical Harley-riding nancy-puss:

[www.theworldofmotorcycles.com image 468x310]

I would kill a guy for a Vincent.


I wouldn't kill a guy, but I'd rob many a man.
 
2012-08-02 01:56:20 PM  

Robo Beat: As a general rule I'm rather indifferent to the Harley aesthetic. The faux-rebel "billet barge" thing just doesn't do it for me.

But I do have to say that the Sportster XR1200X is kind of intriguing. Probably the least "Harley" of their motorcycles. Not in the market for a new bike at the moment, but I'd at least give it a test drive if I were.


That too is the only Harley I'm interested in, it is at the moment my desktop wall paper. They rotate between the XR1200, a new Bonneville, a new Royal Enfield and the new Nortan prototype.
If they ever made a VRod Full Dresser I might be interested if I could ever afford a long range crusier.
 
2012-08-02 01:58:01 PM  

drewogatory: Kuroshin: Cuyose: Bike Thread!

Picked up this last year, and im convinced it's the best all around bike made till now!

[www.smartcycleshopper.com image 500x332]

At least Ducati fixed the horrible styling of the Multistrada.

Multistrada:
[dayerses.com image 640x480]

Multipla:
[carinstance.com image 460x345]

Which means the older 1000s should be cheaper. I've often regretted buying a Sport Classic over a 'strada, maybe I can rectify that.


Okay, explain yourself. I barely decided to go with a Monster S2R 1000 over a Sport 1000 biposto. I can't imagine regretting purchasing such a lovely bike.


But to get back to the bike porn:

i796.photobucket.com
i796.photobucket.com
i796.photobucket.com
i796.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-02 01:58:17 PM  

angry_scientist: Cuyose: Go take the Motorcycle safety Course and get yourself a used 600cc-750cc bike on craigslist

Good idea... project cars are getting pricey, and a project bike would fit in the garage better too...


I did the MSF course at 28 and got a 650 Yamaha V-star used. I was excited about the bike for about 2 months before it started limiting me in canyons and on the freeway. Now I ride an 09 Vstar 950 (first year of production replacing the old Vstar 1100 which had the best engine in class by far) and I'm very happy with it. Put about 10k miles in a year and a half and love riding it to work and in the Malibu canyons on weekends.
 
2012-08-02 01:58:31 PM  
Everyone's said it. Their market is fat old guys. Those fat old guys are dying off.

Until they come up with a line geared towards urbanites who want to find parking spaces and use less fuel, they're doomed.
 
2012-08-02 01:59:15 PM  
You mean like this, aka_mrcam? It's custom, but totally do-able.

i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-02 02:09:00 PM  
Okay, explain yourself. I barely decided to go with a Monster S2R 1000 over a Sport 1000 biposto. I can't imagine regretting purchasing such a lovely bike.

Can't see it when you're on it. I just think the 'strada is 1000 times more comfortable, and given they are pretty much the same otherwise...Even though I put a cycle-cat 916 bar set and the comfort seat on my Classic (I have the 06 yellow mono) it still forces me to put too much weight on my wrists, jacking my throttle control and braking inputs. I might try moving the bars above the triple clamp and see if that helps.
 
2012-08-02 02:14:05 PM  

dickfreckle: [i.imgur.com image 500x367]


Speed Triple is a great bike. Looked at one of those before getting my Monster. Only Harley I like isn't really a Harley:

www.danddexhaust.com
 
2012-08-02 02:38:35 PM  

YodaBlues: I can haz bike pron thread?

[i50.tinypic.com image 639x382]

My baby...2008 Yamaha V-Star 1100 Custom. Bought brand new from the showroom floor. I've done all the mechanical and body work, including a fresh paint job this past spring. The only time she goes into the shop is for inspection. Added a fairing and stereo system over winter for touring. Despite the extra weight, she's still pretty nimble, but I'm definitely more of a touring cruiser than anything else. I love the long trips, riding sun-up to sundown. Last year did a trip from western NY to the Outer Banks, year before that was to Acadia National Park.

As for Harley, the bikes are nice, always had a thing for the Street glides personally, but almost every Harley Rider I've ever run into has turned out to be a dick who gives me the stink eye cause I had the audacity to buy a different brand.


Nice bike, as mentioned, my wife rides a V-Star Silverado (04) and I like it as much as my road king. Guess I'm not one that would give the stink eye :o)
 
2012-08-02 02:41:23 PM  

socodog: You mean like this, aka_mrcam? It's custom, but totally do-able.

[i47.tinypic.com image 599x445]


I like that, I could never understand HD. We have this large powerful water-cooled engine that we spent tons of money and years to develop lets only use it in one bike. And that one bike will be of a class of bike that we sell that doesn't have the highest markup.
 
2012-08-02 02:56:51 PM  

drewogatory: Okay, explain yourself. I barely decided to go with a Monster S2R 1000 over a Sport 1000 biposto. I can't imagine regretting purchasing such a lovely bike.

Can't see it when you're on it. I just think the 'strada is 1000 times more comfortable, and given they are pretty much the same otherwise...Even though I put a cycle-cat 916 bar set and the comfort seat on my Classic (I have the 06 yellow mono) it still forces me to put too much weight on my wrists, jacking my throttle control and braking inputs. I might try moving the bars above the triple clamp and see if that helps.


You're riding wrong. You are never supposed to put weight on your wrists. Support your upper body with your core. Back, abs and legs. At all times - even under heavy braking - you should be able to flap your arms like a chicken, or even let go entirely (need a throttle lock for that though).

Ride a supersport sometime. ;D
 
2012-08-02 03:07:18 PM  

Kuroshin: drewogatory: Okay, explain yourself. I barely decided to go with a Monster S2R 1000 over a Sport 1000 biposto. I can't imagine regretting purchasing such a lovely bike.

Can't see it when you're on it. I just think the 'strada is 1000 times more comfortable, and given they are pretty much the same otherwise...Even though I put a cycle-cat 916 bar set and the comfort seat on my Classic (I have the 06 yellow mono) it still forces me to put too much weight on my wrists, jacking my throttle control and braking inputs. I might try moving the bars above the triple clamp and see if that helps.

You're riding wrong. You are never supposed to put weight on your wrists. Support your upper body with your core. Back, abs and legs. At all times - even under heavy braking - you should be able to flap your arms like a chicken, or even let go entirely (need a throttle lock for that though).

Ride a supersport sometime. ;D


Nah, I just have repetitive stress injuries and I just need/prefer a more upright riding position now that I'm old. I'm street riding, my racing days are over.
 
2012-08-02 03:11:28 PM  
Not to mention, unless you've ridden a Sport Classic, you'd be hard pressed to explain how bad the ergo's are. And I worked at a multi-line dealer for over 10 years, and have ridden damn near every production bike from about '67-93 and a not too shabby selection of the newer models as well.
 
kab
2012-08-02 03:20:34 PM  

YodaBlues: As for Harley, the bikes are nice, always had a thing for the Street glides personally, but almost every Harley Rider I've ever run into has turned out to be a dick who gives me the stink eye cause I had the audacity to buy a different brand.


Bring a japanese bike to a BMW bikefest, and let us know if you still think HD riders are the worst.

Speaking of bike porn?

www.motorcycle-usa.com

*drool*
 
2012-08-02 03:31:38 PM  

wildcardjack: How do I know nobody RTFA?

Revenue was up. Earnings are up. Projections are up. The stock should have been up.

But then this last line...

The stock was among 140 stocks that the New York Stock Exchange was looking at in light of a series of bizarre trading moves that occurred during early trading due to "a technology issue" at Knight Capital Group (KCG).

Yes, it was the victim of an HFT pushing the stock down. A broken one at that.

/It was 106 yesterday, looking at 110 today
//Superman wouldn't fly in this weather.


Yep the whole market is in a twirl because of Knight's software bugs. They lost a tone of money today and will spend tons more fixing the glitches.
 
2012-08-02 03:34:37 PM  
I've gone back and forth about a bike for a while. I live in the Midwest so I can get a good, 4-6 mos. a year use out of it, weather permitting. I'm looking at it from a "save on gas money, have something lighter and easier to park" perspective though.

What I'd like to have:
upload.wikimedia.org

What I'd probably buy:
www.a2zcarsinfo.com
 
2012-08-02 03:54:12 PM  
I want an Ural

stylecrave.frsucrave.netdna-cdn.com

zprepared.com
 
2012-08-02 03:58:51 PM  

socodog: Posting this again from another HD thread:

I love this bike. She's been quiet, GREAT handling, reliable, comfortable, and most importantly FUN. You can pick up one of the older models for a pretty good price.

The haters can eat a bag of dicks.

[i48.tinypic.com image 585x391]



Great handling?
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha......hahahah
*cough*
Bwahahahahahahahahaha.

Handling means the way it handles corners. Usually infers that a bike can actually get round a corner without grinding grooves into the tarmac.

My old Honda went to the Isle of Man TT, then the day after it finished I took it across Europe to the Med and back, through the Alps etc. Without a spanner, without a pre-service, without breakdown cover. Because breakdowns were not an issue.

/ Oh yes, with a passenger and camping gear all the way.

Yes, I have ridden a Harley. At one third the price it might have been awesome, with chrome that stayed in the same post-code it would have been acceptable.
 
2012-08-02 04:28:14 PM  
I would not mind of of the 800cc high pipe Sporters, but that is only for looks.

Once when I was shopping, I was told by many people, including the salesman, that 800c was just chick level bike. It was not enough to haul a 'man' around. I pointed out that I rode in a 72 CL350 that gets me around town just great. The old bike has more than enough acceleration to move around traffic and is light enought to use your body weight to help move it around. If that gets a 190lb guy around town fine, why the fark is an 800cc Harley not enough? I guess they either want to shame idiots out of more money, the engines just really suck worse than a 40 year Jap bike or both.
 
2012-08-02 04:36:58 PM  

wingnut396: I would not mind of of the 800cc high pipe Sporters, but that is only for looks.

Once when I was shopping, I was told by many people, including the salesman, that 800c was just chick level bike. It was not enough to haul a 'man' around. I pointed out that I rode in a 72 CL350 that gets me around town just great. The old bike has more than enough acceleration to move around traffic and is light enought to use your body weight to help move it around. If that gets a 190lb guy around town fine, why the fark is an 800cc Harley not enough? I guess they either want to shame idiots out of more money, the engines just really suck worse than a 40 year Jap bike or both.


This. When I was considering buying a bike, I was looking at old honda cb350s. I test drove one, and it had more than enough power to get me around and still be fun. Meanwhile, overweight boners kept telling me I needed a 'real mans bike'.

Ended up getting an mr2 instead, but might still buy an old honda. I love the styling on the dream.
 
2012-08-02 04:38:17 PM  

WhyteRaven74: CoonAce: Their only hope is to get young riders hooked by winning at the racetrack... somehow.

Well there are forms of motorcycle racing they do well at.



"Free fall from a passing aircraft" being one of them.
 
2012-08-02 04:42:35 PM  

Explodo: Caelistis: I want to make it clear up front that I am not a bike guy. They have never appealed to me. However, can someone actually make a reasonable argument that those obnoxious, loud ass pipes are "safer" when you're sitting dead stopped on I-35 in the middle of rush hour traffic?

By that logic, wouldn't putting straight dumps on my Torino make me "safer" as well?

The reasoning is that if they're so obnoxiously loud that you'll hear them no matter what happens and you'll not run into them because you know that they're there. It has the side effect of making everyone want to run them off the road though.


That said, you really should straight pipe your Torino...or put cut-outs on the headers...or backwards install a couple blue-bottles.
 
2012-08-02 04:47:12 PM  

Lusiphur: This. When I was considering buying a bike, I was looking at old honda cb350s. I test drove one, and it had more than enough power to get me around and still be fun. Meanwhile, overweight boners kept telling me I needed a 'real mans bike'.


I had an experience like that back in my sportbike days. CSB time. Two women walk by and see my GSX-R600. "My boyfriend has a bike just like that......oh....it's ONLY a 600...."

Yeah, 100+hp pushing ~400# (sans rider)...what a POS! lol Oddly enough, I had a lot of 'Vettes want to "race," especially the LT4 CE versions.

/I use the term "race" loosely
//Because really, even a "lowly" 600 had no problem dispatching them
///The newer 1L bikes (and, of course, the 'Busa) are just insane
 
2012-08-02 04:52:11 PM  

dickfreckle: BIKE THREAD


BOOBS AND BIKE THREAD
FTFY
 
2012-08-02 04:55:33 PM  
movies.unrealitytv.com
RIP TOPPER HARLEY
 
2012-08-02 05:20:09 PM  

lunkhed: socodog: Posting this again from another HD thread:

I love this bike. She's been quiet, GREAT handling, reliable, comfortable, and most importantly FUN. You can pick up one of the older models for a pretty good price.

The haters can eat a bag of dicks.

[i48.tinypic.com image 585x391]


Great handling?
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha......hahahah
*cough*
Bwahahahahahahahahaha.

Handling means the way it handles corners. Usually infers that a bike can actually get round a corner without grinding grooves into the tarmac.

My old Honda went to the Isle of Man TT, then the day after it finished I took it across Europe to the Med and back, through the Alps etc. Without a spanner, without a pre-service, without breakdown cover. Because breakdowns were not an issue.

/ Oh yes, with a passenger and camping gear all the way.

Yes, I have ridden a Harley. At one third the price it might have been awesome, with chrome that stayed in the same post-code it would have been acceptable.


Cool story, bro. Ok, so I'm to assume you've put a bunch of miles on a VRSCD or are you just talking about your experience with OTHER HD products?
 
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