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2012-08-02 08:41:44 AM
I, unfortunately, live near Sturgis and let me tell you, what most of you say about H-D riders is about to come true in goddamn spades. They drive between 10 and and 15 mph below the speed limit in the hills. They clog up the roads. Many of these badass hog riders have their bikes trucked in to the local hotel. The closest I've ever gotten was watching "Full Throttle Saloon" on TLC while drunk, and that's as close as I want to get. These people would probably make fun of SDCC attendees. This event is pretty much the same thing, less sci-fi, more leather. People pretending to be "badass hog riders" for a week as retreive their bike from the semi transporter at the Ramada. They are, for the most part, boomers trying to act "badass". My personal favorites are the ones who ride Hondas but are fully decked out in H-D clothing.

I am desperately trying to get a new job to leave this terrible place but I will not have any luck this year as Sturgis begins this week.
 
2012-08-02 08:51:20 AM
Maybe their sales are falling because the bikes cost more than a compact car and get half the mileage?
 
2012-08-02 09:03:51 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I used to want a Harley because it was symbolic of being a rebel

/now it's symbolic of being a pretentious boomer assclown
//do not want


Earlier this year I saw a man riding a Harley...while wearing sweatpants. Rather a mixed message.
 
2012-08-02 09:04:14 AM
James Dean rode his Harley right into a ditch
 
2012-08-02 09:04:48 AM

trotsky: I, unfortunately, live near Sturgis and let me tell you, what most of you say about H-D riders is about to come true in goddamn spades. They drive between 10 and and 15 mph below the speed limit in the hills. They clog up the roads. Many of these badass hog riders have their bikes trucked in to the local hotel. The closest I've ever gotten was watching "Full Throttle Saloon" on TLC while drunk, and that's as close as I want to get. These people would probably make fun of SDCC attendees. This event is pretty much the same thing, less sci-fi, more leather. People pretending to be "badass hog riders" for a week as retreive their bike from the semi transporter at the Ramada. They are, for the most part, boomers trying to act "badass". My personal favorites are the ones who ride Hondas but are fully decked out in H-D clothing.

I am desperately trying to get a new job to leave this terrible place but I will not have any luck this year as Sturgis begins this week.


That's always been my complaint with harley riders. Here in new england, as soon as they get off the main roads, they are out of their element. That big 600 lb pig just can't handle the twisty little roads here. 15-20 mph is about all they can do without going into the weeds.

/ex dirt bike rider. The only place I ever felt safe on a bike was in the woods.
 
2012-08-02 09:04:52 AM
I like Victory's more, or heck even the Suzuki Boulevard series is awfully nice. Harley's are less power for more money with an aging ascetic.
 
2012-08-02 09:09:42 AM

Station


I like Victory's more, or heck even the Suzuki Boulevard series is awfully nice. Harley's are less power for more money with an aging ascetic.


They have an aging person who is keen on austerity?

Or did you mean 'aesthetic'?


Someone else can tackle the apostrophe abuse.
 
2012-08-02 09:11:32 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: kmmontandon: MaudlinMutantMollusk:
/now it's symbolic of being a pretentious boomer assclown
//do not want

I'd have thought the desperate aging-badly-and-insecurely retiring boomer wave would keep Harley Davidson afloat, especially given the increasing number of fat, old, suburbanites I've seen riding them.

I think that's what's kept them going this long. I have friends that not only own Harleys, but they also own every bit of gear and apparel available. As usual with things like this, people wind up demonstrating their individuality by being exactly like everyone else

/If I were going to buy a bike now, I'd be looking at a Hayabusa
//out of my way, old guys
///old guy


maybe harley-davidson needs to start making hover-rounds
 
2012-08-02 09:23:01 AM

trotsky: I, unfortunately, live near Sturgis and let me tell you, what most of you say about H-D riders is about to come true in goddamn spades. They drive between 10 and and 15 mph below the speed limit in the hills. They clog up the roads. Many of these badass hog riders have their bikes trucked in to the local hotel. The closest I've ever gotten was watching "Full Throttle Saloon" on TLC while drunk, and that's as close as I want to get. These people would probably make fun of SDCC attendees. This event is pretty much the same thing, less sci-fi, more leather. People pretending to be "badass hog riders" for a week as retreive their bike from the semi transporter at the Ramada. They are, for the most part, boomers trying to act "badass". My personal favorites are the ones who ride Hondas but are fully decked out in H-D clothing.

I am desperately trying to get a new job to leave this terrible place but I will not have any luck this year as Sturgis begins this week.



Living in Milwaukee, your post made me chuckle, because it's true. Many of the riders are white collar folks who will tell you that its the freedom of the open road that they like the most. But then you realize about 80% of them consider the 'open road' to be driving up and down the busiest streets in the summer, because that's where they can show off their stuff. People complain about teenagers cruising, but they're okay with boomers riding up and down Water St., North Ave, Brady and Lincoln Memorial all weekend. It doesn't bother me, just makes me laugh a little.

Despite that, I really hope HD starts doing well. It frustrates me that all these companies are basically doing poorly because they're not meeting the street's expectations. So their net income jumped 30% and revenue was up 17%, but OMG-not-as-much-as-analysts-expected! so the stock takes a crap (although it looks like it bounced back already). Yeah, yeah, I know it's more complicated than that, but it just seems that many companies have been in the habit of seeing slow and steady growth while convincing everyone that we're still in the deepest throes of the recession.
 
2012-08-02 09:29:16 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: Station

I like Victory's more, or heck even the Suzuki Boulevard series is awfully nice. Harley's are less power for more money with an aging ascetic.


They have an aging person who is keen on austerity?

Or did you mean 'aesthetic'?


Someone else can tackle the apostrophe abuse.


It "autocorrected" my correct spelling on my phone. Sorry to offend your sensibilities. But keep adding valuable information to this post.
 
2012-08-02 09:43:13 AM

SpectroBoy: Q: Why don't Harley riders wave back?
A: They are affraid to let go with even one hand.


i.imgur.com
 
hej
2012-08-02 09:49:00 AM

Cheron: He shouted at us "if you don't understand Harley then you just don't get us."


Seems like a pretty self evident statement.
 
2012-08-02 09:53:56 AM

Station


It "autocorrected" my correct spelling on my phone. Sorry to offend your sensibilities. But keep adding valuable information to this post.


I shall.

Keeping one's automobile tires properly inflated will help to optimize handling and fuel mileage.

The Socratic Method is a useful teaching tool.

Using apostrophes to create plurals is incorrect.
 
2012-08-02 09:53:59 AM
I got a Harley-Davidson. Does that turn you on... Harley-Davidson?
www.badweatherbikers.com
 
2012-08-02 09:56:12 AM

Buckney Gurre: SpectroBoy: Q: Why don't Harley riders wave back?
A: They are affraid to let go with even one hand.

[i.imgur.com image 809x670]


That seems perfectly safe...

I would never wear shorts on a bike. Knew someone who lost his leg and fought for months against a nasty infection because of a motorcycle accident.... It wasn't even because it was severed, it was the loss of tissue and other damage sustained from it being scraped across the road.

/of course, I would wear a helmet....and real shoes....that probably makes me a pussy but read above again and come talk to me.
 
2012-08-02 09:58:01 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: This was my dream bike when I first started riding
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 750x516]
Yeah, yeah, I know....


OMG! I haven't thought of that show in ages.
 
2012-08-02 10:05:02 AM
As fun as it is to hate on Harleys they do make rather nice cruisers. I'd rather buy a Yamaha V-Star myself but Harley knows their market.
 
2012-08-02 10:07:31 AM
They're moving on to the Can-Am tricycles.

Now there's a vehicle that's truly,truly embarassing. All the disadvantages of a bike, but it's the width of a car! So you too can sit stuck in traffic, yet be exposed to the weather at the same time! Genius!
 
2012-08-02 10:09:20 AM
All the middle-aged guys who need a big motorcycle (so they don't look like top-heavy buffoons on account of being a fatass) already have them.
 
2012-08-02 10:35:26 AM

drewogatory: They're moving on to the Can-Am tricycles.

Now there's a vehicle that's truly,truly embarassing. All the disadvantages of a bike, but it's the width of a car! So you too can sit stuck in traffic, yet be exposed to the weather at the same time! Genius!


1.bp.blogspot.com
Puh-leeze! It's a snowmobile that you can ride in the summer!
 
2012-08-02 10:41:00 AM
Bike Thread!

Picked up this last year, and im convinced it's the best all around bike made till now!

www.smartcycleshopper.com
 
2012-08-02 10:42:32 AM

oldfarthenry: drewogatory: They're moving on to the Can-Am tricycles.

Now there's a vehicle that's truly,truly embarassing. All the disadvantages of a bike, but it's the width of a car! So you too can sit stuck in traffic, yet be exposed to the weather at the same time! Genius!

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 776x554]
Puh-leeze! It's a snowmobile that you can ride in the summer!


hahahahahaha. Seriously, those things should come with free testicular removal. You'd better be paralyzed from the waist down if you're on one of those.
 
2012-08-02 10:44:20 AM

dickfreckle: Robo Beat: But I do have to say that the Sportster XR1200X is kind of intriguing. Probably the least "Harley" of their motorcycles.

For all my bashing, I'm actually a fan of this bike. The Sportster represented a kind of James Dean age of sporty motorcycles. A friend of mine rides a 1200C, which I also kinda dig. The 1200 Sporties are, in my opinion, the only decent machines HD makes. I would ride one with stock pipes and not feel like a tool. Hell, I'm dying for America to produce more motorcycles that are actually fun and even challenging to ride, because in the end I'd rather my money go to Wisconsin (and their worldwide suppliers, but still) than England or Germany as I've been doing for the past many years.

[www.motorcyclenews.com image 800x595]

A better angle showing streetfighter cred

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 400x267]

Looks an awful lot like a Speed Triple or Monster (I worship naked bikes). And I would totally ride that if I thought the company would stand behind it long-term. But given HD's history of gutting every project that puts function in front of form, why should I buy it? You guys all saw what happened to Erik Buell.


This....this....this...and....well this.

/just slapped a new tire on my R1150R last night
 
2012-08-02 10:56:12 AM
Thanks. This thread has me lusting after a ducati monster now, damn. Granted I'm 32, don't ride, fat, and a damned idiot.... but still. Damn...
 
2012-08-02 10:58:54 AM

angry_scientist: Thanks. This thread has me lusting after a ducati monster now, damn. Granted I'm 32, don't ride, fat, and a damned idiot.... but still. Damn...


Go take the Motorcycle safety Course and get yourself a used 600cc-750cc bike on craigslist and see how you like it! Some people fall in love with it, like me and some people end up not getting into it.
 
2012-08-02 11:01:45 AM

oldfarthenry: drewogatory: They're moving on to the Can-Am tricycles.

Now there's a vehicle that's truly,truly embarassing. All the disadvantages of a bike, but it's the width of a car! So you too can sit stuck in traffic, yet be exposed to the weather at the same time! Genius!

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 776x554]
Puh-leeze! It's a snowmobile that you can ride in the summer!


This is quickly becoming a Stugis Staple. Don't believe me? Come and see for yourself. They still drive like 90 year olds though. Plus these damn things cost as much as a decent car.
 
2012-08-02 11:08:39 AM

trotsky: oldfarthenry: drewogatory: They're moving on to the Can-Am tricycles.

Now there's a vehicle that's truly,truly embarassing. All the disadvantages of a bike, but it's the width of a car! So you too can sit stuck in traffic, yet be exposed to the weather at the same time! Genius!

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 776x554]
Puh-leeze! It's a snowmobile that you can ride in the summer!

This is quickly becoming a Stugis Staple. Don't believe me? Come and see for yourself. They still drive like 90 year olds though. Plus these damn things cost as much as a decent car.


The only way I'm visiting Sturgis is at the controls of a B-52 loaded with daisy cutters.
 
2012-08-02 11:10:03 AM
Thank god. Fewer douchebags riding around in leather jackets annoying the piss out of people with their loud pipes. Just go back to driving your Miatas and Sebring convertibles.
 
2012-08-02 11:10:34 AM

Cuyose: Go take the Motorcycle safety Course and get yourself a used 600cc-750cc bike on craigslist


Good idea... project cars are getting pricey, and a project bike would fit in the garage better too...
 
2012-08-02 11:12:45 AM

drewogatory: trotsky: oldfarthenry: drewogatory: They're moving on to the Can-Am tricycles.

Now there's a vehicle that's truly,truly embarassing. All the disadvantages of a bike, but it's the width of a car! So you too can sit stuck in traffic, yet be exposed to the weather at the same time! Genius!

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 776x554]
Puh-leeze! It's a snowmobile that you can ride in the summer!

This is quickly becoming a Stugis Staple. Don't believe me? Come and see for yourself. They still drive like 90 year olds though. Plus these damn things cost as much as a decent car.

The only way I'm visiting Sturgis is at the controls of a B-52 loaded with daisy cutters.


I like you. I'll subscribe to your newsletter. If you need a co-pilot, don't hesitate to PM.
 
2012-08-02 11:17:06 AM

trotsky: drewogatory: trotsky: oldfarthenry: drewogatory: They're moving on to the Can-Am tricycles.

Now there's a vehicle that's truly,truly embarassing. All the disadvantages of a bike, but it's the width of a car! So you too can sit stuck in traffic, yet be exposed to the weather at the same time! Genius!

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 776x554]
Puh-leeze! It's a snowmobile that you can ride in the summer!

This is quickly becoming a Stugis Staple. Don't believe me? Come and see for yourself. They still drive like 90 year olds though. Plus these damn things cost as much as a decent car.

The only way I'm visiting Sturgis is at the controls of a B-52 loaded with daisy cutters.

I like you. I'll subscribe to your newsletter. If you need a co-pilot, don't hesitate to PM.


Nice, and if it goes well, we'll nuke Burning Man into a giant slab of radioactive glass.
 
2012-08-02 11:22:02 AM

drewogatory: trotsky: drewogatory: trotsky: oldfarthenry: drewogatory: They're moving on to the Can-Am tricycles.

Now there's a vehicle that's truly,truly embarassing. All the disadvantages of a bike, but it's the width of a car! So you too can sit stuck in traffic, yet be exposed to the weather at the same time! Genius!

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 776x554]
Puh-leeze! It's a snowmobile that you can ride in the summer!

This is quickly becoming a Stugis Staple. Don't believe me? Come and see for yourself. They still drive like 90 year olds though. Plus these damn things cost as much as a decent car.

The only way I'm visiting Sturgis is at the controls of a B-52 loaded with daisy cutters.

I like you. I'll subscribe to your newsletter. If you need a co-pilot, don't hesitate to PM.

Nice, and if it goes well, we'll nuke Burning Man into a giant slab of radioactive glass.


I think the Burning Man commission or whatever they call themselves already did that. The amount of rules and regs and the cost has robbed me of any desire I had to go there. Well, that, and the fact that it isn't the mid 90's anymore and I have a life.
 
2012-08-02 11:27:58 AM
I want to make it clear up front that I am not a bike guy. They have never appealed to me. However, can someone actually make a reasonable argument that those obnoxious, loud ass pipes are "safer" when you're sitting dead stopped on I-35 in the middle of rush hour traffic?

By that logic, wouldn't putting straight dumps on my Torino make me "safer" as well?
 
2012-08-02 11:30:32 AM
I don't know a Harley rider that's not a tool. I know motorcycle riders that aren't tools, but all the Harley riders are know are tools.

One thing I've never understood: Why the hell would you buy the heaviest most unreliable motorcycle you can find for "the freedom of the open road" anyway?

It's like saying you love driving and buying a '78 cadillac convertible. That's not driving, that's just cruising. Oh I get it now. They just want to cruise. They want the equivalent of a '78 cadillac convertible, but with 2 wheels. I've never thought of it that way before. They're the guys who'd rather have a '78 caddy than a performance car. That explains the slow driving too!
 
2012-08-02 11:32:08 AM

dickfreckle: RickyWilliams'sBong: Have a friend who owns an '04-ish Harley. Nice-looking, but it seems like every time we go to their house, something's wrong with that damned bike.

That's likely because the owner doesn't understand the concept of maintenance. For all the sh*t I dish about HD, reliability really isn't their issue these days.

People forget that motorcycles aren't Accords that you just drive into the ground while getting groceries. They need very specific care on a regular basis. So, for the one pro-Harley post you'll ever hear me utter: Maybe your friend is derelict in duty, or a not cut out to own a bike.


Nope. He's been around bikes for a long time. It's not a maintenance issue.
 
2012-08-02 11:34:00 AM

Caelistis: I want to make it clear up front that I am not a bike guy. They have never appealed to me. However, can someone actually make a reasonable argument that those obnoxious, loud ass pipes are "safer" when you're sitting dead stopped on I-35 in the middle of rush hour traffic?

By that logic, wouldn't putting straight dumps on my Torino make me "safer" as well?


The reasoning is that if they're so obnoxiously loud that you'll hear them no matter what happens and you'll not run into them because you know that they're there. It has the side effect of making everyone want to run them off the road though.
 
2012-08-02 11:34:44 AM

Caelistis: By that logic, wouldn't putting straight dumps on my Torino make me "safer" as well?


Absolutely. When I was 17 I had a '82 Camaro T-top project with an old old 283 with headers into a dynomax ceramic straight 'muffler' with dual resonators for tone. Idling it around on my early paper route it'd still set off motion lights a good distance away. More light = safer.

/not really...
 
2012-08-02 11:34:59 AM

SpectroBoy: 98% of all Harley's ever made are still on the road.

The other 2% made it home.


The local trade papers are full of busted imports, no thanks.
 
2012-08-02 11:35:06 AM
My first two bikes were Yamaha V-stars. Full face helmet and leathers which still costs less than your HD gear.
 
2012-08-02 11:38:02 AM
Bollock Brothers approves of subby

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XakxWmXu8bw
 
2012-08-02 11:38:17 AM
Posting this again from another HD thread:

I love this bike. She's been quiet, GREAT handling, reliable, comfortable, and most importantly FUN. You can pick up one of the older models for a pretty good price.

The haters can eat a bag of dicks.

i48.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-02 11:56:30 AM
Nobody can truthfully say that HD bikes aren't the best. But another fact is that 2/3 of all riders have no business on a bike. I'm 57 years old and one of the saddest sights is that of a friend or contemporary of mine getting a new bike. I go to alot of the charities sponsored by local clubs, and I'm tired of seeing over-age women in leather that is waaaay too tight with a husband hobbling around with a walker or a cane from a motorcycle accident. Here's a simple fact. A four wheeled vehicle cannot fall over when left alone. Most bikers are trying to find a youth that they never had. The heyday of motorcycles is coming to an end, and after losing a half a dozen friends in 5 years, it can't come soon enough.
 
2012-08-02 12:01:40 PM

drewogatory: trotsky: oldfarthenry: drewogatory: They're moving on to the Can-Am tricycles.

Now there's a vehicle that's truly,truly embarassing. All the disadvantages of a bike, but it's the width of a car! So you too can sit stuck in traffic, yet be exposed to the weather at the same time! Genius!

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 776x554]
Puh-leeze! It's a snowmobile that you can ride in the summer!

This is quickly becoming a Stugis Staple. Don't believe me? Come and see for yourself. They still drive like 90 year olds though. Plus these damn things cost as much as a decent car.

The only way I'm visiting Sturgis is at the controls of a B-52 loaded with daisy cutters.


Uggggh, Sturgis. I live on the other side of the state but we still get TONS of bikers coming through on I-90/I-29 and staying in Sioux Falls overnight. Pretty decent mix of hardcore types and complete tools.
 
2012-08-02 12:02:58 PM

assjuice: James Dean rode his Harley right into a ditch


Came looking for the Bollock Brothers. Leaving satisfied.
 
2012-08-02 12:08:12 PM
meh, I ride a road king (07) because I like it. As for gear, Joe Rocket mesh jacket and basic steel toes, among the other stuff.

Rode it to Florida as well last year and ride it to work at least 3 times a week.

I will say that, yes, most HD riders are douchebags.

/would have a Yama statoliner if not for the rk.
 
2012-08-02 12:08:17 PM

drewogatory: oldfarthenry: drewogatory: They're moving on to the Can-Am tricycles.

Now there's a vehicle that's truly,truly embarassing. All the disadvantages of a bike, but it's the width of a car! So you too can sit stuck in traffic, yet be exposed to the weather at the same time! Genius!

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 776x554]
Puh-leeze! It's a snowmobile that you can ride in the summer!

hahahahahaha. Seriously, those things should come with free testicular removal. You'd better be paralyzed from the waist down if you're on one of those.


28.media.tumblr.com

Kenny Powers disapproves
 
2012-08-02 12:08:18 PM

Kurmudgeon: SpectroBoy: 98% of all Harley's ever made are still on the road.

The other 2% made it home.

The local trade papers are full of busted imports, no thanks.


Crashed (or neglected) imports most likely, not ones that failed mechanically. Major failures are pretty rare among the big 4 Japanese makers and BMW. Ducati's have a little higher failure rate,but I think that's down to the ridiculously expensive maintenance requirements. Harleys on the other hand... You'd better own stock in Loctite or absolutely love safety wire. shiat would vibrate loose and fall off all the farking time. I could spend farking hours re-torquing fasteners during a service.
 
2012-08-02 12:10:40 PM
Did a paper on Harley Davidson in college. The owners are very stubborn about their brand and that will be it's down fall. They are unwilling to attract younger customers with pricing and bike styles that would appeal to them. HD thought it would cheapen the brand to do this.
 
2012-08-02 12:12:06 PM

Asako: As fun as it is to hate on Harleys they do make rather nice cruisers. I'd rather buy a Yamaha V-Star myself but Harley knows their market.


My wife owns a V-Star and it is a great bike.
 
2012-08-02 12:14:07 PM

drewogatory: oldfarthenry: drewogatory: They're moving on to the Can-Am tricycles.

Now there's a vehicle that's truly,truly embarassing. All the disadvantages of a bike, but it's the width of a car! So you too can sit stuck in traffic, yet be exposed to the weather at the same time! Genius!

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 776x554]
Puh-leeze! It's a snowmobile that you can ride in the summer!

hahahahahaha. Seriously, those things should come with free testicular removal. You'd better be paralyzed from the waist down if you're on one of those.


One of the neatest things I have ever seen is just that about a month ago. Guy on a can-am, with a wheel chair hanging on a swivel hook behind it.
 
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