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2012-08-01 11:54:24 PM  
Harley-Davidson shares skid after sales miss

Thats not half bad, its all bad

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2012-08-01 11:56:51 PM  

mightymike82: Harley-Davidson shares skid after sales miss

Thats not half bad, its all bad

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HAHAHA!
 
2012-08-01 11:59:45 PM  
I used to want a Harley because it was symbolic of being a rebel

/now it's symbolic of being a pretentious boomer assclown
//do not want
 
2012-08-02 12:11:07 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk:
/now it's symbolic of being a pretentious boomer assclown
//do not want


I'd have thought the desperate aging-badly-and-insecurely retiring boomer wave would keep Harley Davidson afloat, especially given the increasing number of fat, old, suburbanites I've seen riding them.
 
2012-08-02 12:27:15 AM  

kmmontandon: MaudlinMutantMollusk:
/now it's symbolic of being a pretentious boomer assclown
//do not want

I'd have thought the desperate aging-badly-and-insecurely retiring boomer wave would keep Harley Davidson afloat, especially given the increasing number of fat, old, suburbanites I've seen riding them.


I think that's what's kept them going this long. I have friends that not only own Harleys, but they also own every bit of gear and apparel available. As usual with things like this, people wind up demonstrating their individuality by being exactly like everyone else

/If I were going to buy a bike now, I'd be looking at a Hayabusa
//out of my way, old guys
///old guy
 
2012-08-02 12:35:29 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk:
I think that's what's kept them going this long. I have friends that not only own Harleys, but they also own every bit of gear and apparel available. As usual with things like this, people wind up demonstrating their individuality by being exactly like everyone else



See, I grew up in a household where my father had been riding since the early '70s, and built the bikes himself. Our living room was frequently a "put the engine together" shop with lots of newspaper laid down, and the garage was used for paint-jobs. He was a part of the sub-culture for decades, until he sold his last bike in '94, because things had just changed too much - too many yuppies who couldn't name four parts on their bike if you spotted them the handlebars.

He just couldn't deal with people who couldn't tell the difference between a panhead and a shovelhead, and most of his biker friends were nearing retirement age anyways.

Me, I couldn't stay upright on a motorcycle if my life depended on it ... and I'm definitely not a member of the Cult of Engine Noise.
 
2012-08-02 12:40:15 AM  
Investing in Harley-Davidson means buying a bike, accessories, tools, manuals, black t-shirts and such. Not actually buying stocks and bonds. That's been a given since before the AMF days.

//Yeah, I have some shares, but for kicks, not for profit.
 
2012-08-02 12:40:55 AM  

kmmontandon: MaudlinMutantMollusk:
I think that's what's kept them going this long. I have friends that not only own Harleys, but they also own every bit of gear and apparel available. As usual with things like this, people wind up demonstrating their individuality by being exactly like everyone else


See, I grew up in a household where my father had been riding since the early '70s, and built the bikes himself. Our living room was frequently a "put the engine together" shop with lots of newspaper laid down, and the garage was used for paint-jobs. He was a part of the sub-culture for decades, until he sold his last bike in '94, because things had just changed too much - too many yuppies who couldn't name four parts on their bike if you spotted them the handlebars.

He just couldn't deal with people who couldn't tell the difference between a panhead and a shovelhead, and most of his biker friends were nearing retirement age anyways.

Me, I couldn't stay upright on a motorcycle if my life depended on it ... and I'm definitely not a member of the Cult of Engine Noise.


Props to your father; he and I are of a similar vintage

/I'd also like to develop a noise seeking missile that would lock onto and destroy unmuffled engines
//and hyper-bass stereos
///and car alarms
////get off my lawn
 
2012-08-02 12:41:59 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I used to want a Harley because it was symbolic of being a rebel

/now it's symbolic of being a pretentious boomer assclown
//do not want


I worked at a Harley-Davidson dealership in college. You never knew if the guy coming in the door was a Hell's Angel or a proctologist, but you could tell after talking to them a bit. The Hell's Angels types were much nicer.

I fell in love with the Softails, though. I still want a Fat Boy from the mid-90s. That low saddle and solid wheel are gorgeous, and it's a fun ride.
 
2012-08-02 12:44:58 AM  
Maybe if they hadn't kicked Erik Buell to the curb a few years back things might be better now.
 
2012-08-02 12:45:19 AM  
Maybe if they made reasonably priced, good quality vehicles they wouldn't have this problem.
 
2012-08-02 01:16:12 AM  
They don't make a bike I'm interested in riding, but I own some stock, so folks...if you're not going to buy a Harley, then at least stock up on HD t-shirts and bandannas and shot glasses and tank tops and refrigerator magnets and mouse pads and coffee mugs and barbeque aprons and bumper stickers and thongs.
 
2012-08-02 02:18:18 AM  
Harley = $26000 vibrator.
 
2012-08-02 02:20:24 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I have friends that not only own Harleys, but they also own every bit of gear and apparel available. As usual with things like this, people wind up demonstrating their individuality by being exactly like everyone else


Bingo. If you sample 100 riders of every other brand, you will find a diverse collection of gear, riding style/class, etc. With Harley, there's just one: Wear no helmet (or minimal novelty skull cap as required state-by-state) + $1000 in stupid fashion-weight, branded 'gear' that offers little to zero protection in the event of an accident.

I'm sorry to troll you guys, but Harley riders are, as a percentage, the biggest morons on the road. And that would be fine if you dolts weren't trying to tell me that loud pipes are a safety feature while fumbling through second gear out of the Hooters happy hour parking lot with a farking bandanna and some tassels to protect you.

Seriously, you guys are a joke, and you're not replenishing your rapidly aging fanbase with younger riders. Even Gen-Xers (like myself) who are approaching their 40s think you're lame. You are the Republican party of motorcycles.

/Triumph Speed Triple
//daily urban commuter for nearly 20 years
///by all means, come on in and defend HD as a company that does anything but sell an image
 
2012-08-02 02:28:43 AM  

dickfreckle: ///by all means, come on in and defend HD as a company that does anything but sell an image


What's funny is that Harley is doing what all the business and marketing wonks say is the most important thing, extending the brand, building the brand etc. As Harley shows, perhaps the obsession with brands is not well founded.
 
2012-08-02 02:34:44 AM  

WhyteRaven74: dickfreckle: ///by all means, come on in and defend HD as a company that does anything but sell an image

What's funny is that Harley is doing what all the business and marketing wonks say is the most important thing, extending the brand, building the brand etc. As Harley shows, perhaps the obsession with brands is not well founded.


i224.photobucket.com

(You knew it was coming.)
 
2012-08-02 02:35:30 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: (You knew it was coming.)


yeah I did :)
 
2012-08-02 02:42:23 AM  
As a general rule I'm rather indifferent to the Harley aesthetic. The faux-rebel "billet barge" thing just doesn't do it for me.

But I do have to say that the Sportster XR1200X is kind of intriguing. Probably the least "Harley" of their motorcycles. Not in the market for a new bike at the moment, but I'd at least give it a test drive if I were.
 
2012-08-02 02:46:17 AM  
H-D had better start building a line of less expensive, lighter, good-handling bikes. Their only hope is to get young riders hooked by winning at the racetrack... somehow.
 
2012-08-02 02:50:52 AM  

Robo Beat: But I do have to say that the Sportster XR1200X is kind of intriguing


Too bad they discontinued it, at least for the American market.
 
2012-08-02 02:52:02 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: (You knew it was coming.)


My post was already so douchetastic (though I meant every word) that using Apple as a comparison would have set it on full fanboy fire. But yeah, I knew it was coming.

Personally, I think that Craigslist should combine Apple and Harley posts.

"MacbookPro, Intel Core Duo, 2 GBs RAM! 250GB HDD! It's made of aluminum, so $700." Because it doesn't really differ much from:

"Grossly overweight pushrod V-twin with some chrome bolted on, and most people laugh at your presumably small dick - $12,000."
 
2012-08-02 02:56:21 AM  

CoonAce: Their only hope is to get young riders hooked by winning at the racetrack... somehow.


Well there are forms of motorcycle racing they do well at. Granted they'd be doing better in road racing if they hadn't shoved Erik Buell out the door. Now he's building his own racing bikes and starting to sell street bikes. Granted it doesn't help they're married to the V-twin engine design.
 
2012-08-02 02:57:07 AM  
This was my dream bike when I first started riding
4.bp.blogspot.com
Yeah, yeah, I know....
 
2012-08-02 03:07:16 AM  

Robo Beat: But I do have to say that the Sportster XR1200X is kind of intriguing. Probably the least "Harley" of their motorcycles.


For all my bashing, I'm actually a fan of this bike. The Sportster represented a kind of James Dean age of sporty motorcycles. A friend of mine rides a 1200C, which I also kinda dig. The 1200 Sporties are, in my opinion, the only decent machines HD makes. I would ride one with stock pipes and not feel like a tool. Hell, I'm dying for America to produce more motorcycles that are actually fun and even challenging to ride, because in the end I'd rather my money go to Wisconsin (and their worldwide suppliers, but still) than England or Germany as I've been doing for the past many years.

www.motorcyclenews.com

A better angle showing streetfighter cred

4.bp.blogspot.com

Looks an awful lot like a Speed Triple or Monster (I worship naked bikes). And I would totally ride that if I thought the company would stand behind it long-term. But given HD's history of gutting every project that puts function in front of form, why should I buy it? You guys all saw what happened to Erik Buell.
 
2012-08-02 03:13:11 AM  
thumbs.anyclip.com
 
2012-08-02 03:15:20 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: This was my dream bike when I first started riding


Bronson was a cool mofo.
 
2012-08-02 03:19:23 AM  

Warchild: MaudlinMutantMollusk: This was my dream bike when I first started riding

Bronson was a cool mofo.


*fistbump*
 
2012-08-02 03:40:36 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I used to want a Harley because it was symbolic of being a rebel

/now it's symbolic of being a pretentious boomer assclown
//do not want


When I first started riding I wanted to buy a Sportster, for logical reasons...I was young, had no money, and could pick one up used for cheap. I was promptly told it was a "chick" bike, and no one would respect me if I rode one. Harley guys were talking about me dropping 15-20k, at least, if I wanted to fit in with other riders.

It was shortly after that I realized HD was a "lifestyle" company geared towards boomers with too much money. A lot of it is classic "keeping up with the Joneses" type stuff. My neighborhood is full of old guys who bought their bikes at around the same time, and now they collect dust in garages. Every once in a while -- on the warmest, driest day of the year -- I'll see one in head to toe leather, potato-potato-potatoing down to the local bar.

HD has had some genius marketing over the years, but they're toast if they can't attract younger blood. Hell, I might still buy one if they didn't cost more than my car.
 
2012-08-02 05:03:52 AM  

CoonAce: H-D had better start building a line of less expensive, lighter, good-handling bikes. Their only hope is to get young riders hooked by winning at the racetrack... somehow.


Not even the track, man. I've been a huge Triumph triple fan (1050) for years, despite them not being designed to race competitively. You get a bunch of the top-end from a Japanese four and most of the torque from a twin, all in a city-friendly, badass package. I don't need to race; I just want real-world usability. So here we are.

Man, you can grab a handful at 4k and the jezebel just launches through whatever is annoying you. If you're not careful it's like hell splitting open the Earth. Not technically on par with pure superikes, but the very definition of usable streetfighter you can commute on.

/how farking often do I go 190 mph? Well, never, because my bike won't but still:
//how often do I even go 120?...it's all in the linear power curve you can use in the city
 
2012-08-02 05:23:48 AM  
BIKE THREAD
 
2012-08-02 05:29:52 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-02 06:08:39 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I used to want a Harley because it was symbolic of being a rebel

/now it's symbolic of being a pretentious boomer assclown
//do not want


Buy an older Ducati... Buy a grinder and welder and a decent set of tools, cut, chop, and customize it till you can step back and call it your own. Buy the service manual and learn how to do your own work, never take it to a shop for repair or service... Fix it yourself. Ride the piss out of it...

gallery.moike.net

You'll be a much happier individual in the end without having to plunk down 30 grand for an 'image'. And you'll have some awesome stories along the way.

/bought new in 1996
//it's been a wild crazy ride that H.s.T would be proud of
 
2012-08-02 06:11:26 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: now it's symbolic of being a pretentious boomer assclown


One day children in this country will ask, "Daddy daddy, where are a;; the jobs?"
And the Boomer Spawn will have to say, "Sorry Son, Sorry Daughter, we spent them all away on foreign products"
"Now finish your boot soup, we're a 3rd world country now."
 
2012-08-02 06:16:22 AM  
Have a friend who owns an '04-ish Harley. Nice-looking, but it seems like every time we go to their house, something's wrong with that damned bike.
 
2012-08-02 06:34:14 AM  

RickyWilliams'sBong: Have a friend who owns an '04-ish Harley. Nice-looking, but it seems like every time we go to their house, something's wrong with that damned bike.


That's likely because the owner doesn't understand the concept of maintenance. For all the sh*t I dish about HD, reliability really isn't their issue these days.

People forget that motorcycles aren't Accords that you just drive into the ground while getting groceries. They need very specific care on a regular basis. So, for the one pro-Harley post you'll ever hear me utter: Maybe your friend is derelict in duty, or a not cut out to own a bike.

moike: Buy an older Ducati...



I knew you'd show up with that pic! I love your bike.

Had a 900SS for just a couple of months. It was a fling. Nothing - and I mean nothing, son - sounds like a Ducati twin when provoked. And that's coming from a long-time Eurotard. It's better than sex.
 
2012-08-02 06:48:13 AM  

dickfreckle:
I knew you'd show up with that pic! I love your bike.

Had a 900SS for just a couple of months. It was a fling. Nothing - and I mean nothing, son - sounds like a Ducati twin when provoked. And that's coming from a long-time Eurotard. It's better than sex.


Non motorcyclists always ask me what it's like to ride my Monster, what the appeal is... What makes the risk of death worth the reward... I tell them, "Imagine you're buck naked, straddling the cowling of a P51-D Mustang as it's flying wide-farking-open at triple-digit-speeds ten feet off the deck... A bottle of whiskey in one hand, and Van Halen's 'Panama' blaring in the background... You'll get somewhere close to what I feel ripping around on this Ducati every single time I take it out for a spin."

Every time I take it out... I grin like a lunatic.
 
hej
2012-08-02 06:59:54 AM  
The other day I was in the bathroom taking a dump, and I let loose with some rather impressive sputtering mixed in with all the poo. Which left me to wonder; Is it that my flatulence sounds like a Harley, or do Harley's just sound like flatulence?
 
2012-08-02 07:06:56 AM  
HD is a clothing company that sells a few bikes on the side.
 
2012-08-02 07:24:31 AM  

moike: dickfreckle:
I knew you'd show up with that pic! I love your bike.

Had a 900SS for just a couple of months. It was a fling. Nothing - and I mean nothing, son - sounds like a Ducati twin when provoked. And that's coming from a long-time Eurotard. It's better than sex.

Non motorcyclists always ask me what it's like to ride my Monster, what the appeal is... What makes the risk of death worth the reward... I tell them, "Imagine you're buck naked, straddling the cowling of a P51-D Mustang as it's flying wide-farking-open at triple-digit-speeds ten feet off the deck... A bottle of whiskey in one hand, and Van Halen's 'Panama' blaring in the background... You'll get somewhere close to what I feel ripping around on this Ducati every single time I take it out for a spin."

Every time I take it out... I grin like a lunatic.


You had me at "Panama." You know my motor. You probably know the horrible things I've done while Panama piped in my helmet in the middle of nowhere.

She's runnin', I'm flyin'
Right behind in the rearview mirror now
Got the fearin', power steerin'
Pistons poppin', ain't no stoppin' now....


But nothing beats that intro. Once traffic is gone I blare it and I can feel the bike warming up with the song. You know what? You don't even want to know just how much Roth-era VH makes me peel what's left of the paint from old barns. I sour the milk of cows I pass. That's a Sunday afternoon.

And why I can't ride a cruiser with a straight face. Sorry, folks.
 
2012-08-02 07:54:03 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think that's what's kept them going this long. I have friends that not only own Harleys, but they also own every bit of gear and apparel available. As usual with things like this, people wind up demonstrating their individuality by being exactly like everyone else


Harley Davidson stores sell a standardized "non-conformist uniform".

They should also administer Steve Martin's non-conformist oath.
 
2012-08-02 07:56:19 AM  

RickyWilliams'sBong: Have a friend who owns an '04-ish Harley. Nice-looking, but it seems like every time we go to their house, something's wrong with that damned bike.



98% of all Harley's ever made are still on the road.

The other 2% made it home.
 
2012-08-02 07:58:00 AM  
Q: Why don't Harley riders wave back?
A: They are affraid to let go with even one hand.

Q: Why are Harley's so expensive?
A: The price includes the EPA fee for all the oil it will leak.

I heard the new Harley's come with a dog to keep you company while you are sitting on the side of the road.


/i keed
 
2012-08-02 07:59:45 AM  
About 15 years ago I attended a technical conference where the VP of Engineering for Harley was the key note speaker. He came out in a suit but took his jacket off and put on a black leather vest before speaking. He shouted at us "if you don't understand Harley then you just don't get us." It was obvious at the time and more so since that Harley was selling an image. This is why people not only by the bike but every bottle opener and door mat they can, for a brief time while sitting on that bike they are rebel free rogues like Marlon Brando in The Wild One.* Harleys aren't so much a means of transportation but a prop in adult dress up and cosplay.

/* Brando rode a Triumph
 
2012-08-02 08:03:04 AM  

CoonAce: H-D had better start building a line of less expensive, lighter, good-handling bikes. Their only hope is to get young riders hooked by winning at the racetrack... somehow.


Here in their backyard younger riders aren't the issue. Every putz with a room temperature IQ and that can show he makes $10/hr can get credit for a lower end HD to go cruising for white trash bimbos. So it devolves into the guys riding the hell out of them because they could get repo'ed at any moment and the jackasses in the suburbs who can't get to third without a manual.
 
2012-08-02 08:10:15 AM  
While we're talking bikes and playing dress up I'm starting to see a lot of scooters that are styled like Moto GP bikes.

And,

Triumph is selling a Steve McQueen Bonneville for those who want to play Great Escape at home.
 
2012-08-02 08:20:36 AM  
How do I know nobody RTFA?

Revenue was up. Earnings are up. Projections are up. The stock should have been up.

But then this last line...

The stock was among 140 stocks that the New York Stock Exchange was looking at in light of a series of bizarre trading moves that occurred during early trading due to "a technology issue" at Knight Capital Group (KCG).

Yes, it was the victim of an HFT pushing the stock down. A broken one at that.

/It was 106 yesterday, looking at 110 today
//Superman wouldn't fly in this weather.
 
kab
2012-08-02 08:23:56 AM  
Panictm brought to you by the folks who think that if a company's growth isn't limitless, they're a failure.
 
2012-08-02 08:23:58 AM  

teto85: Investing in Harley-Davidson means buying a bike, accessories, tools, manuals, black t-shirts and such. Not actually buying stocks and bonds. That's been a given since before the AMF days.

//Yeah, I have some shares, but for kicks, not for profit.


You're a rebel.
 
kab
2012-08-02 08:32:04 AM  

moike: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I used to want a Harley because it was symbolic of being a rebel

/now it's symbolic of being a pretentious boomer assclown
//do not want

Buy an older Ducati... Buy a grinder and welder and a decent set of tools, cut, chop, and customize it till you can step back and call it your own. Buy the service manual and learn how to do your own work, never take it to a shop for repair or service... Fix it yourself. Ride the piss out of it...

[gallery.moike.net image 800x600]

You'll be a much happier individual in the end without having to plunk down 30 grand for an 'image'. And you'll have some awesome stories along the way.

/bought new in 1996
//it's been a wild crazy ride that H.s.T would be proud of


I dig it, the mounting of the rear turn signals is quite clever.

I had aspirations of turning my old TL1000 into a streetfighter back when I owned it, finding someplace clever to put the radiator overflow can sort of stopped me however.
 
2012-08-02 08:39:14 AM  

kmmontandon


I'd have thought the desperate aging-badly-and-insecurely retiring boomer wave would keep Harley Davidson afloat, especially given the increasing number of fat, old, suburbanites I've seen riding them.


They're moving on to the Can-Am tricycles.
 
2012-08-02 08:41:44 AM  
I, unfortunately, live near Sturgis and let me tell you, what most of you say about H-D riders is about to come true in goddamn spades. They drive between 10 and and 15 mph below the speed limit in the hills. They clog up the roads. Many of these badass hog riders have their bikes trucked in to the local hotel. The closest I've ever gotten was watching "Full Throttle Saloon" on TLC while drunk, and that's as close as I want to get. These people would probably make fun of SDCC attendees. This event is pretty much the same thing, less sci-fi, more leather. People pretending to be "badass hog riders" for a week as retreive their bike from the semi transporter at the Ramada. They are, for the most part, boomers trying to act "badass". My personal favorites are the ones who ride Hondas but are fully decked out in H-D clothing.

I am desperately trying to get a new job to leave this terrible place but I will not have any luck this year as Sturgis begins this week.
 
2012-08-02 08:51:20 AM  
Maybe their sales are falling because the bikes cost more than a compact car and get half the mileage?
 
2012-08-02 09:03:51 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I used to want a Harley because it was symbolic of being a rebel

/now it's symbolic of being a pretentious boomer assclown
//do not want


Earlier this year I saw a man riding a Harley...while wearing sweatpants. Rather a mixed message.
 
2012-08-02 09:04:14 AM  
James Dean rode his Harley right into a ditch
 
2012-08-02 09:04:48 AM  

trotsky: I, unfortunately, live near Sturgis and let me tell you, what most of you say about H-D riders is about to come true in goddamn spades. They drive between 10 and and 15 mph below the speed limit in the hills. They clog up the roads. Many of these badass hog riders have their bikes trucked in to the local hotel. The closest I've ever gotten was watching "Full Throttle Saloon" on TLC while drunk, and that's as close as I want to get. These people would probably make fun of SDCC attendees. This event is pretty much the same thing, less sci-fi, more leather. People pretending to be "badass hog riders" for a week as retreive their bike from the semi transporter at the Ramada. They are, for the most part, boomers trying to act "badass". My personal favorites are the ones who ride Hondas but are fully decked out in H-D clothing.

I am desperately trying to get a new job to leave this terrible place but I will not have any luck this year as Sturgis begins this week.


That's always been my complaint with harley riders. Here in new england, as soon as they get off the main roads, they are out of their element. That big 600 lb pig just can't handle the twisty little roads here. 15-20 mph is about all they can do without going into the weeds.

/ex dirt bike rider. The only place I ever felt safe on a bike was in the woods.
 
2012-08-02 09:04:52 AM  
I like Victory's more, or heck even the Suzuki Boulevard series is awfully nice. Harley's are less power for more money with an aging ascetic.
 
2012-08-02 09:09:42 AM  

Station


I like Victory's more, or heck even the Suzuki Boulevard series is awfully nice. Harley's are less power for more money with an aging ascetic.


They have an aging person who is keen on austerity?

Or did you mean 'aesthetic'?


Someone else can tackle the apostrophe abuse.
 
2012-08-02 09:11:32 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: kmmontandon: MaudlinMutantMollusk:
/now it's symbolic of being a pretentious boomer assclown
//do not want

I'd have thought the desperate aging-badly-and-insecurely retiring boomer wave would keep Harley Davidson afloat, especially given the increasing number of fat, old, suburbanites I've seen riding them.

I think that's what's kept them going this long. I have friends that not only own Harleys, but they also own every bit of gear and apparel available. As usual with things like this, people wind up demonstrating their individuality by being exactly like everyone else

/If I were going to buy a bike now, I'd be looking at a Hayabusa
//out of my way, old guys
///old guy


maybe harley-davidson needs to start making hover-rounds
 
2012-08-02 09:23:01 AM  

trotsky: I, unfortunately, live near Sturgis and let me tell you, what most of you say about H-D riders is about to come true in goddamn spades. They drive between 10 and and 15 mph below the speed limit in the hills. They clog up the roads. Many of these badass hog riders have their bikes trucked in to the local hotel. The closest I've ever gotten was watching "Full Throttle Saloon" on TLC while drunk, and that's as close as I want to get. These people would probably make fun of SDCC attendees. This event is pretty much the same thing, less sci-fi, more leather. People pretending to be "badass hog riders" for a week as retreive their bike from the semi transporter at the Ramada. They are, for the most part, boomers trying to act "badass". My personal favorites are the ones who ride Hondas but are fully decked out in H-D clothing.

I am desperately trying to get a new job to leave this terrible place but I will not have any luck this year as Sturgis begins this week.



Living in Milwaukee, your post made me chuckle, because it's true. Many of the riders are white collar folks who will tell you that its the freedom of the open road that they like the most. But then you realize about 80% of them consider the 'open road' to be driving up and down the busiest streets in the summer, because that's where they can show off their stuff. People complain about teenagers cruising, but they're okay with boomers riding up and down Water St., North Ave, Brady and Lincoln Memorial all weekend. It doesn't bother me, just makes me laugh a little.

Despite that, I really hope HD starts doing well. It frustrates me that all these companies are basically doing poorly because they're not meeting the street's expectations. So their net income jumped 30% and revenue was up 17%, but OMG-not-as-much-as-analysts-expected! so the stock takes a crap (although it looks like it bounced back already). Yeah, yeah, I know it's more complicated than that, but it just seems that many companies have been in the habit of seeing slow and steady growth while convincing everyone that we're still in the deepest throes of the recession.
 
2012-08-02 09:29:16 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Station

I like Victory's more, or heck even the Suzuki Boulevard series is awfully nice. Harley's are less power for more money with an aging ascetic.


They have an aging person who is keen on austerity?

Or did you mean 'aesthetic'?


Someone else can tackle the apostrophe abuse.


It "autocorrected" my correct spelling on my phone. Sorry to offend your sensibilities. But keep adding valuable information to this post.
 
2012-08-02 09:43:13 AM  

SpectroBoy: Q: Why don't Harley riders wave back?
A: They are affraid to let go with even one hand.


i.imgur.com
 
hej
2012-08-02 09:49:00 AM  

Cheron: He shouted at us "if you don't understand Harley then you just don't get us."


Seems like a pretty self evident statement.
 
2012-08-02 09:53:56 AM  

Station


It "autocorrected" my correct spelling on my phone. Sorry to offend your sensibilities. But keep adding valuable information to this post.


I shall.

Keeping one's automobile tires properly inflated will help to optimize handling and fuel mileage.

The Socratic Method is a useful teaching tool.

Using apostrophes to create plurals is incorrect.
 
2012-08-02 09:53:59 AM  
I got a Harley-Davidson. Does that turn you on... Harley-Davidson?
www.badweatherbikers.com
 
2012-08-02 09:56:12 AM  

Buckney Gurre: SpectroBoy: Q: Why don't Harley riders wave back?
A: They are affraid to let go with even one hand.

[i.imgur.com image 809x670]


That seems perfectly safe...

I would never wear shorts on a bike. Knew someone who lost his leg and fought for months against a nasty infection because of a motorcycle accident.... It wasn't even because it was severed, it was the loss of tissue and other damage sustained from it being scraped across the road.

/of course, I would wear a helmet....and real shoes....that probably makes me a pussy but read above again and come talk to me.
 
2012-08-02 09:58:01 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: This was my dream bike when I first started riding
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 750x516]
Yeah, yeah, I know....


OMG! I haven't thought of that show in ages.
 
2012-08-02 10:05:02 AM  
As fun as it is to hate on Harleys they do make rather nice cruisers. I'd rather buy a Yamaha V-Star myself but Harley knows their market.
 
2012-08-02 10:07:31 AM  
They're moving on to the Can-Am tricycles.

Now there's a vehicle that's truly,truly embarassing. All the disadvantages of a bike, but it's the width of a car! So you too can sit stuck in traffic, yet be exposed to the weather at the same time! Genius!
 
2012-08-02 10:09:20 AM  
All the middle-aged guys who need a big motorcycle (so they don't look like top-heavy buffoons on account of being a fatass) already have them.
 
2012-08-02 10:35:26 AM  

drewogatory: They're moving on to the Can-Am tricycles.

Now there's a vehicle that's truly,truly embarassing. All the disadvantages of a bike, but it's the width of a car! So you too can sit stuck in traffic, yet be exposed to the weather at the same time! Genius!


1.bp.blogspot.com
Puh-leeze! It's a snowmobile that you can ride in the summer!
 
2012-08-02 10:41:00 AM  
Bike Thread!

Picked up this last year, and im convinced it's the best all around bike made till now!

www.smartcycleshopper.com
 
2012-08-02 10:42:32 AM  

oldfarthenry: drewogatory: They're moving on to the Can-Am tricycles.

Now there's a vehicle that's truly,truly embarassing. All the disadvantages of a bike, but it's the width of a car! So you too can sit stuck in traffic, yet be exposed to the weather at the same time! Genius!

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 776x554]
Puh-leeze! It's a snowmobile that you can ride in the summer!


hahahahahaha. Seriously, those things should come with free testicular removal. You'd better be paralyzed from the waist down if you're on one of those.
 
2012-08-02 10:44:20 AM  

dickfreckle: Robo Beat: But I do have to say that the Sportster XR1200X is kind of intriguing. Probably the least "Harley" of their motorcycles.

For all my bashing, I'm actually a fan of this bike. The Sportster represented a kind of James Dean age of sporty motorcycles. A friend of mine rides a 1200C, which I also kinda dig. The 1200 Sporties are, in my opinion, the only decent machines HD makes. I would ride one with stock pipes and not feel like a tool. Hell, I'm dying for America to produce more motorcycles that are actually fun and even challenging to ride, because in the end I'd rather my money go to Wisconsin (and their worldwide suppliers, but still) than England or Germany as I've been doing for the past many years.

[www.motorcyclenews.com image 800x595]

A better angle showing streetfighter cred

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 400x267]

Looks an awful lot like a Speed Triple or Monster (I worship naked bikes). And I would totally ride that if I thought the company would stand behind it long-term. But given HD's history of gutting every project that puts function in front of form, why should I buy it? You guys all saw what happened to Erik Buell.


This....this....this...and....well this.

/just slapped a new tire on my R1150R last night
 
2012-08-02 10:56:12 AM  
Thanks. This thread has me lusting after a ducati monster now, damn. Granted I'm 32, don't ride, fat, and a damned idiot.... but still. Damn...
 
2012-08-02 10:58:54 AM  

angry_scientist: Thanks. This thread has me lusting after a ducati monster now, damn. Granted I'm 32, don't ride, fat, and a damned idiot.... but still. Damn...


Go take the Motorcycle safety Course and get yourself a used 600cc-750cc bike on craigslist and see how you like it! Some people fall in love with it, like me and some people end up not getting into it.
 
2012-08-02 11:01:45 AM  

oldfarthenry: drewogatory: They're moving on to the Can-Am tricycles.

Now there's a vehicle that's truly,truly embarassing. All the disadvantages of a bike, but it's the width of a car! So you too can sit stuck in traffic, yet be exposed to the weather at the same time! Genius!

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 776x554]
Puh-leeze! It's a snowmobile that you can ride in the summer!


This is quickly becoming a Stugis Staple. Don't believe me? Come and see for yourself. They still drive like 90 year olds though. Plus these damn things cost as much as a decent car.
 
2012-08-02 11:08:39 AM  

trotsky: oldfarthenry: drewogatory: They're moving on to the Can-Am tricycles.

Now there's a vehicle that's truly,truly embarassing. All the disadvantages of a bike, but it's the width of a car! So you too can sit stuck in traffic, yet be exposed to the weather at the same time! Genius!

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 776x554]
Puh-leeze! It's a snowmobile that you can ride in the summer!

This is quickly becoming a Stugis Staple. Don't believe me? Come and see for yourself. They still drive like 90 year olds though. Plus these damn things cost as much as a decent car.


The only way I'm visiting Sturgis is at the controls of a B-52 loaded with daisy cutters.
 
2012-08-02 11:10:03 AM  
Thank god. Fewer douchebags riding around in leather jackets annoying the piss out of people with their loud pipes. Just go back to driving your Miatas and Sebring convertibles.
 
2012-08-02 11:10:34 AM  

Cuyose: Go take the Motorcycle safety Course and get yourself a used 600cc-750cc bike on craigslist


Good idea... project cars are getting pricey, and a project bike would fit in the garage better too...
 
2012-08-02 11:12:45 AM  

drewogatory: trotsky: oldfarthenry: drewogatory: They're moving on to the Can-Am tricycles.

Now there's a vehicle that's truly,truly embarassing. All the disadvantages of a bike, but it's the width of a car! So you too can sit stuck in traffic, yet be exposed to the weather at the same time! Genius!

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 776x554]
Puh-leeze! It's a snowmobile that you can ride in the summer!

This is quickly becoming a Stugis Staple. Don't believe me? Come and see for yourself. They still drive like 90 year olds though. Plus these damn things cost as much as a decent car.

The only way I'm visiting Sturgis is at the controls of a B-52 loaded with daisy cutters.


I like you. I'll subscribe to your newsletter. If you need a co-pilot, don't hesitate to PM.
 
2012-08-02 11:17:06 AM  

trotsky: drewogatory: trotsky: oldfarthenry: drewogatory: They're moving on to the Can-Am tricycles.

Now there's a vehicle that's truly,truly embarassing. All the disadvantages of a bike, but it's the width of a car! So you too can sit stuck in traffic, yet be exposed to the weather at the same time! Genius!

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 776x554]
Puh-leeze! It's a snowmobile that you can ride in the summer!

This is quickly becoming a Stugis Staple. Don't believe me? Come and see for yourself. They still drive like 90 year olds though. Plus these damn things cost as much as a decent car.

The only way I'm visiting Sturgis is at the controls of a B-52 loaded with daisy cutters.

I like you. I'll subscribe to your newsletter. If you need a co-pilot, don't hesitate to PM.


Nice, and if it goes well, we'll nuke Burning Man into a giant slab of radioactive glass.
 
2012-08-02 11:22:02 AM  

drewogatory: trotsky: drewogatory: trotsky: oldfarthenry: drewogatory: They're moving on to the Can-Am tricycles.

Now there's a vehicle that's truly,truly embarassing. All the disadvantages of a bike, but it's the width of a car! So you too can sit stuck in traffic, yet be exposed to the weather at the same time! Genius!

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 776x554]
Puh-leeze! It's a snowmobile that you can ride in the summer!

This is quickly becoming a Stugis Staple. Don't believe me? Come and see for yourself. They still drive like 90 year olds though. Plus these damn things cost as much as a decent car.

The only way I'm visiting Sturgis is at the controls of a B-52 loaded with daisy cutters.

I like you. I'll subscribe to your newsletter. If you need a co-pilot, don't hesitate to PM.

Nice, and if it goes well, we'll nuke Burning Man into a giant slab of radioactive glass.


I think the Burning Man commission or whatever they call themselves already did that. The amount of rules and regs and the cost has robbed me of any desire I had to go there. Well, that, and the fact that it isn't the mid 90's anymore and I have a life.
 
2012-08-02 11:27:58 AM  
I want to make it clear up front that I am not a bike guy. They have never appealed to me. However, can someone actually make a reasonable argument that those obnoxious, loud ass pipes are "safer" when you're sitting dead stopped on I-35 in the middle of rush hour traffic?

By that logic, wouldn't putting straight dumps on my Torino make me "safer" as well?
 
2012-08-02 11:30:32 AM  
I don't know a Harley rider that's not a tool. I know motorcycle riders that aren't tools, but all the Harley riders are know are tools.

One thing I've never understood: Why the hell would you buy the heaviest most unreliable motorcycle you can find for "the freedom of the open road" anyway?

It's like saying you love driving and buying a '78 cadillac convertible. That's not driving, that's just cruising. Oh I get it now. They just want to cruise. They want the equivalent of a '78 cadillac convertible, but with 2 wheels. I've never thought of it that way before. They're the guys who'd rather have a '78 caddy than a performance car. That explains the slow driving too!
 
2012-08-02 11:32:08 AM  

dickfreckle: RickyWilliams'sBong: Have a friend who owns an '04-ish Harley. Nice-looking, but it seems like every time we go to their house, something's wrong with that damned bike.

That's likely because the owner doesn't understand the concept of maintenance. For all the sh*t I dish about HD, reliability really isn't their issue these days.

People forget that motorcycles aren't Accords that you just drive into the ground while getting groceries. They need very specific care on a regular basis. So, for the one pro-Harley post you'll ever hear me utter: Maybe your friend is derelict in duty, or a not cut out to own a bike.


Nope. He's been around bikes for a long time. It's not a maintenance issue.
 
2012-08-02 11:34:00 AM  

Caelistis: I want to make it clear up front that I am not a bike guy. They have never appealed to me. However, can someone actually make a reasonable argument that those obnoxious, loud ass pipes are "safer" when you're sitting dead stopped on I-35 in the middle of rush hour traffic?

By that logic, wouldn't putting straight dumps on my Torino make me "safer" as well?


The reasoning is that if they're so obnoxiously loud that you'll hear them no matter what happens and you'll not run into them because you know that they're there. It has the side effect of making everyone want to run them off the road though.
 
2012-08-02 11:34:44 AM  

Caelistis: By that logic, wouldn't putting straight dumps on my Torino make me "safer" as well?


Absolutely. When I was 17 I had a '82 Camaro T-top project with an old old 283 with headers into a dynomax ceramic straight 'muffler' with dual resonators for tone. Idling it around on my early paper route it'd still set off motion lights a good distance away. More light = safer.

/not really...
 
2012-08-02 11:34:59 AM  

SpectroBoy: 98% of all Harley's ever made are still on the road.

The other 2% made it home.


The local trade papers are full of busted imports, no thanks.
 
2012-08-02 11:35:06 AM  
My first two bikes were Yamaha V-stars. Full face helmet and leathers which still costs less than your HD gear.
 
2012-08-02 11:38:02 AM  
Bollock Brothers approves of subby

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XakxWmXu8bw
 
2012-08-02 11:38:17 AM  
Posting this again from another HD thread:

I love this bike. She's been quiet, GREAT handling, reliable, comfortable, and most importantly FUN. You can pick up one of the older models for a pretty good price.

The haters can eat a bag of dicks.

i48.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-02 11:56:30 AM  
Nobody can truthfully say that HD bikes aren't the best. But another fact is that 2/3 of all riders have no business on a bike. I'm 57 years old and one of the saddest sights is that of a friend or contemporary of mine getting a new bike. I go to alot of the charities sponsored by local clubs, and I'm tired of seeing over-age women in leather that is waaaay too tight with a husband hobbling around with a walker or a cane from a motorcycle accident. Here's a simple fact. A four wheeled vehicle cannot fall over when left alone. Most bikers are trying to find a youth that they never had. The heyday of motorcycles is coming to an end, and after losing a half a dozen friends in 5 years, it can't come soon enough.
 
2012-08-02 12:01:40 PM  

drewogatory: trotsky: oldfarthenry: drewogatory: They're moving on to the Can-Am tricycles.

Now there's a vehicle that's truly,truly embarassing. All the disadvantages of a bike, but it's the width of a car! So you too can sit stuck in traffic, yet be exposed to the weather at the same time! Genius!

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 776x554]
Puh-leeze! It's a snowmobile that you can ride in the summer!

This is quickly becoming a Stugis Staple. Don't believe me? Come and see for yourself. They still drive like 90 year olds though. Plus these damn things cost as much as a decent car.

The only way I'm visiting Sturgis is at the controls of a B-52 loaded with daisy cutters.


Uggggh, Sturgis. I live on the other side of the state but we still get TONS of bikers coming through on I-90/I-29 and staying in Sioux Falls overnight. Pretty decent mix of hardcore types and complete tools.
 
2012-08-02 12:02:58 PM  

assjuice: James Dean rode his Harley right into a ditch


Came looking for the Bollock Brothers. Leaving satisfied.
 
2012-08-02 12:08:12 PM  
meh, I ride a road king (07) because I like it. As for gear, Joe Rocket mesh jacket and basic steel toes, among the other stuff.

Rode it to Florida as well last year and ride it to work at least 3 times a week.

I will say that, yes, most HD riders are douchebags.

/would have a Yama statoliner if not for the rk.
 
2012-08-02 12:08:17 PM  

drewogatory: oldfarthenry: drewogatory: They're moving on to the Can-Am tricycles.

Now there's a vehicle that's truly,truly embarassing. All the disadvantages of a bike, but it's the width of a car! So you too can sit stuck in traffic, yet be exposed to the weather at the same time! Genius!

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 776x554]
Puh-leeze! It's a snowmobile that you can ride in the summer!

hahahahahaha. Seriously, those things should come with free testicular removal. You'd better be paralyzed from the waist down if you're on one of those.


28.media.tumblr.com

Kenny Powers disapproves
 
2012-08-02 12:08:18 PM  

Kurmudgeon: SpectroBoy: 98% of all Harley's ever made are still on the road.

The other 2% made it home.

The local trade papers are full of busted imports, no thanks.


Crashed (or neglected) imports most likely, not ones that failed mechanically. Major failures are pretty rare among the big 4 Japanese makers and BMW. Ducati's have a little higher failure rate,but I think that's down to the ridiculously expensive maintenance requirements. Harleys on the other hand... You'd better own stock in Loctite or absolutely love safety wire. shiat would vibrate loose and fall off all the farking time. I could spend farking hours re-torquing fasteners during a service.
 
2012-08-02 12:10:40 PM  
Did a paper on Harley Davidson in college. The owners are very stubborn about their brand and that will be it's down fall. They are unwilling to attract younger customers with pricing and bike styles that would appeal to them. HD thought it would cheapen the brand to do this.
 
2012-08-02 12:12:06 PM  

Asako: As fun as it is to hate on Harleys they do make rather nice cruisers. I'd rather buy a Yamaha V-Star myself but Harley knows their market.


My wife owns a V-Star and it is a great bike.
 
2012-08-02 12:14:07 PM  

drewogatory: oldfarthenry: drewogatory: They're moving on to the Can-Am tricycles.

Now there's a vehicle that's truly,truly embarassing. All the disadvantages of a bike, but it's the width of a car! So you too can sit stuck in traffic, yet be exposed to the weather at the same time! Genius!

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 776x554]
Puh-leeze! It's a snowmobile that you can ride in the summer!

hahahahahaha. Seriously, those things should come with free testicular removal. You'd better be paralyzed from the waist down if you're on one of those.


One of the neatest things I have ever seen is just that about a month ago. Guy on a can-am, with a wheel chair hanging on a swivel hook behind it.
 
2012-08-02 12:22:48 PM  

HeathenHealer: drewogatory: trotsky: oldfarthenry: drewogatory: They're moving on to the Can-Am tricycles.

Now there's a vehicle that's truly,truly embarassing. All the disadvantages of a bike, but it's the width of a car! So you too can sit stuck in traffic, yet be exposed to the weather at the same time! Genius!

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 776x554]
Puh-leeze! It's a snowmobile that you can ride in the summer!

This is quickly becoming a Stugis Staple. Don't believe me? Come and see for yourself. They still drive like 90 year olds though. Plus these damn things cost as much as a decent car.

The only way I'm visiting Sturgis is at the controls of a B-52 loaded with daisy cutters.

Uggggh, Sturgis. I live on the other side of the state but we still get TONS of bikers coming through on I-90/I-29 and staying in Sioux Falls overnight. Pretty decent mix of hardcore types and complete tools.


They had the Hell's Angels convention up here last week because they're not welcomed at Sturgis anymore. There is a chapter of a club in Rapid shiatty, I forget who, maybe the Mongols? So the hardcore folks were pretty much already here and left. We went to Sturgis last week to see Old Fort Meade, which was cool. They were already setting up for the week. My SDCC=Sturgis comparison, I think, is dead on. They even had massive Sons of Anarchy promo banners.

I want to start some sort of beer delivery service to the rubes in the campgrounds. I only need three choices and a van. There is serious money to be made with the tools on Harleys.
 
2012-08-02 12:23:38 PM  

Major Broca: assjuice: James Dean rode his Harley right into a ditch

Came looking for the Bollock Brothers. Leaving satisfied.


I was disappointed it took so long.

/subby
 
2012-08-02 12:28:55 PM  
i1181.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-02 12:31:05 PM  
FTA: "Overall, revenue generated by motorcycles and related products rose 17%to $1.57 billion during the third quarter. But that missed analysts' targets for revenue of $1.63 billion. Harley-Davidson's profit jumped 30% to $247.3 million, or $1.07 per share, beating forecasts by 2 cents."

Won the game but didn't beat the spread.
 
2012-08-02 12:31:45 PM  
HD is basically a cult here in Quebec. On the way to Burlington the other day, I spotted some guy in a HD T-shirt polishing his bike next to his freshly washed HD edition F150 in front of his black and orange garage. Pretty run of the mill here.
 
2012-08-02 12:39:45 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think that's what's kept them going this long. I have friends that not only own Harleys, but they also own every bit of gear and apparel available. As usual with things like this, people wind up demonstrating their individuality by being exactly like everyone else


That raises another point - I wonder what percentage of people sporting "West Coast Choppers" gear has ever ridden a motorcycle, let alone owns one of their choppers? I'm guessing the percentages for both are pretty low.

/ I don't own or a motorcycle
// I don't wear biker gear
 
2012-08-02 12:40:54 PM  

drewogatory: hahahahahaha. Seriously, those things should come with free testicular removal. You'd better be paralyzed from the waist down if you're on one of those.


blog.cycleworld.com

"What's that you're saying, boy?"
 
2012-08-02 12:42:45 PM  
Another company faultering because it doesn't have a share of generation Y. Which is broke as shiat.
 
2012-08-02 12:46:46 PM  

cryinoutloud: drewogatory: hahahahahaha. Seriously, those things should come with free testicular removal. You'd better be paralyzed from the waist down if you're on one of those.

[blog.cycleworld.com image 620x465]

"What's that you're saying, boy?"


But that's Putin. Putin could wear women's clothes and carry a cheap katana from a flea market and still be sinister. When a fat mong rides one, those things are less than threatening.
 
2012-08-02 12:48:42 PM  

Jclark666: Major Broca: assjuice: James Dean rode his Harley right into a ditch

Came looking for the Bollock Brothers. Leaving satisfied.

I was disappointed it took so long.

/subby


You and me both.
 
2012-08-02 12:55:20 PM  
A trike I like:
images.gizmag.com
 
2012-08-02 12:57:39 PM  

Explodo: I don't know a Harley rider that's not a tool. I know motorcycle riders that aren't tools, but all the Harley riders are know are tools.

One thing I've never understood: Why the hell would you buy the heaviest most unreliable motorcycle you can find for "the freedom of the open road" anyway?

It's like saying you love driving and buying a '78 cadillac convertible. That's not driving, that's just cruising. Oh I get it now. They just want to cruise. They want the equivalent of a '78 cadillac convertible, but with 2 wheels. I've never thought of it that way before. They're the guys who'd rather have a '78 caddy than a performance car. That explains the slow driving too!


Not a bike guy either, but this makes sense. I've been looking for a project car and looking at all the dream cars of my youth. Every time I see an old 911 Targa, a 968 or a nice old Corvette, I think "Man, I'm going to start looking for one of those. On the weekends I can take it out and just drive.....I wonder if the seats are comfy. I spend most of my driving going from red light to red light. You know, they do ride kind of rough, that's going to be a pain. Not likely a week of groceried for a family of 5 is going to fit in it, so trips to the store are out. No good mountain roads around here either. Maybe I'll find an old Lincoln or Caddy."
 
2012-08-02 01:05:17 PM  
Well imagine that...people aren't willing to spend their money on an overpriced name and noise anymore.
 
2012-08-02 01:07:04 PM  
Q: What's the difference between a Harley and a Hoover?


A: The location of the dirt bag.
 
2012-08-02 01:15:19 PM  
That's what you get for assassinating Buell, you farking bastards.

/die!
//die die die!
///and take those 1000-mile-per-year posers with you!
 
2012-08-02 01:16:33 PM  
Can. not. go. bankrupt. fast. enough.

Every loud-piped Harley rider is an abject douche-nozzle.

Here is a bike that is too much for your typical Harley-riding nancy-puss:

www.theworldofmotorcycles.com
 
2012-08-02 01:18:55 PM  

Cuyose: Bike Thread!

Picked up this last year, and im convinced it's the best all around bike made till now!

[www.smartcycleshopper.com image 500x332]


At least Ducati fixed the horrible styling of the Multistrada.

Multistrada:
dayerses.com

Multipla:
carinstance.com
 
2012-08-02 01:19:32 PM  

SevenizGud: Can. not. go. bankrupt. fast. enough.

Every loud-piped Harley rider is an abject douche-nozzle.

Here is a bike that is too much for your typical Harley-riding nancy-puss:

[www.theworldofmotorcycles.com image 468x310]


I would kill a guy for a Vincent.
 
2012-08-02 01:24:39 PM  

assjuice: James Dean rode his harley right in the ditch


Harley David you son-of-a-biatch.
 
2012-08-02 01:24:50 PM  

Kuroshin: Cuyose: Bike Thread!

Picked up this last year, and im convinced it's the best all around bike made till now!

[www.smartcycleshopper.com image 500x332]

At least Ducati fixed the horrible styling of the Multistrada.

Multistrada:
[dayerses.com image 640x480]

Multipla:
[carinstance.com image 460x345]


Which means the older 1000s should be cheaper. I've often regretted buying a Sport Classic over a 'strada, maybe I can rectify that.
 
2012-08-02 01:26:45 PM  
I can haz bike pron thread?

i50.tinypic.com

My baby...2008 Yamaha V-Star 1100 Custom. Bought brand new from the showroom floor. I've done all the mechanical and body work, including a fresh paint job this past spring. The only time she goes into the shop is for inspection. Added a fairing and stereo system over winter for touring. Despite the extra weight, she's still pretty nimble, but I'm definitely more of a touring cruiser than anything else. I love the long trips, riding sun-up to sundown. Last year did a trip from western NY to the Outer Banks, year before that was to Acadia National Park.

As for Harley, the bikes are nice, always had a thing for the Street glides personally, but almost every Harley Rider I've ever run into has turned out to be a dick who gives me the stink eye cause I had the audacity to buy a different brand.
 
2012-08-02 01:35:17 PM  

Kuroshin: At least Ducati fixed the horrible styling of the Multistrada.


Hey, they took a leap. I actually admire that. The Ducati - HD comparison is interesting, because Ducati is so much more vibrant of a company. Fewer people and less money, they still build bikes that get serious buzz in just about every niche of motorcycling. If HD stepped up and tried something out of their comfort zone, I for one would applaud them. To me, their bikes fail on core motorcycle-y things like acceleration and handling, but excel at being a "brand" - and I want a motorcycle, not a brand.

/Honda VFR 2002
//60,000 or so miles
 
2012-08-02 01:42:23 PM  

Cheron: About 15 years ago I attended a technical conference where the VP of Engineering for Harley was the key note speaker.


I call BS. Harley-Davidson doesn't have an engineering department. He may have been "VP of Engineer" though.
 
2012-08-02 01:45:55 PM  

Hyjamon: MaudlinMutantMollusk: kmmontandon: MaudlinMutantMollusk:
/now it's symbolic of being a pretentious boomer assclown
//do not want

I'd have thought the desperate aging-badly-and-insecurely retiring boomer wave would keep Harley Davidson afloat, especially given the increasing number of fat, old, suburbanites I've seen riding them.

I think that's what's kept them going this long. I have friends that not only own Harleys, but they also own every bit of gear and apparel available. As usual with things like this, people wind up demonstrating their individuality by being exactly like everyone else

/If I were going to buy a bike now, I'd be looking at a Hayabusa
//out of my way, old guys
///old guy

maybe harley-davidson needs to start making hover-rounds


ROFL
 
2012-08-02 01:52:12 PM  

Kuroshin: SevenizGud: Can. not. go. bankrupt. fast. enough.

Every loud-piped Harley rider is an abject douche-nozzle.

Here is a bike that is too much for your typical Harley-riding nancy-puss:

[www.theworldofmotorcycles.com image 468x310]

I would kill a guy for a Vincent.


I wouldn't kill a guy, but I'd rob many a man.
 
2012-08-02 01:56:20 PM  

Robo Beat: As a general rule I'm rather indifferent to the Harley aesthetic. The faux-rebel "billet barge" thing just doesn't do it for me.

But I do have to say that the Sportster XR1200X is kind of intriguing. Probably the least "Harley" of their motorcycles. Not in the market for a new bike at the moment, but I'd at least give it a test drive if I were.


That too is the only Harley I'm interested in, it is at the moment my desktop wall paper. They rotate between the XR1200, a new Bonneville, a new Royal Enfield and the new Nortan prototype.
If they ever made a VRod Full Dresser I might be interested if I could ever afford a long range crusier.
 
2012-08-02 01:58:01 PM  

drewogatory: Kuroshin: Cuyose: Bike Thread!

Picked up this last year, and im convinced it's the best all around bike made till now!

[www.smartcycleshopper.com image 500x332]

At least Ducati fixed the horrible styling of the Multistrada.

Multistrada:
[dayerses.com image 640x480]

Multipla:
[carinstance.com image 460x345]

Which means the older 1000s should be cheaper. I've often regretted buying a Sport Classic over a 'strada, maybe I can rectify that.


Okay, explain yourself. I barely decided to go with a Monster S2R 1000 over a Sport 1000 biposto. I can't imagine regretting purchasing such a lovely bike.


But to get back to the bike porn:

i796.photobucket.com
i796.photobucket.com
i796.photobucket.com
i796.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-02 01:58:17 PM  

angry_scientist: Cuyose: Go take the Motorcycle safety Course and get yourself a used 600cc-750cc bike on craigslist

Good idea... project cars are getting pricey, and a project bike would fit in the garage better too...


I did the MSF course at 28 and got a 650 Yamaha V-star used. I was excited about the bike for about 2 months before it started limiting me in canyons and on the freeway. Now I ride an 09 Vstar 950 (first year of production replacing the old Vstar 1100 which had the best engine in class by far) and I'm very happy with it. Put about 10k miles in a year and a half and love riding it to work and in the Malibu canyons on weekends.
 
2012-08-02 01:58:31 PM  
Everyone's said it. Their market is fat old guys. Those fat old guys are dying off.

Until they come up with a line geared towards urbanites who want to find parking spaces and use less fuel, they're doomed.
 
2012-08-02 01:59:15 PM  
You mean like this, aka_mrcam? It's custom, but totally do-able.

i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-02 02:09:00 PM  
Okay, explain yourself. I barely decided to go with a Monster S2R 1000 over a Sport 1000 biposto. I can't imagine regretting purchasing such a lovely bike.

Can't see it when you're on it. I just think the 'strada is 1000 times more comfortable, and given they are pretty much the same otherwise...Even though I put a cycle-cat 916 bar set and the comfort seat on my Classic (I have the 06 yellow mono) it still forces me to put too much weight on my wrists, jacking my throttle control and braking inputs. I might try moving the bars above the triple clamp and see if that helps.
 
2012-08-02 02:14:05 PM  

dickfreckle: [i.imgur.com image 500x367]


Speed Triple is a great bike. Looked at one of those before getting my Monster. Only Harley I like isn't really a Harley:

www.danddexhaust.com
 
2012-08-02 02:38:35 PM  

YodaBlues: I can haz bike pron thread?

[i50.tinypic.com image 639x382]

My baby...2008 Yamaha V-Star 1100 Custom. Bought brand new from the showroom floor. I've done all the mechanical and body work, including a fresh paint job this past spring. The only time she goes into the shop is for inspection. Added a fairing and stereo system over winter for touring. Despite the extra weight, she's still pretty nimble, but I'm definitely more of a touring cruiser than anything else. I love the long trips, riding sun-up to sundown. Last year did a trip from western NY to the Outer Banks, year before that was to Acadia National Park.

As for Harley, the bikes are nice, always had a thing for the Street glides personally, but almost every Harley Rider I've ever run into has turned out to be a dick who gives me the stink eye cause I had the audacity to buy a different brand.


Nice bike, as mentioned, my wife rides a V-Star Silverado (04) and I like it as much as my road king. Guess I'm not one that would give the stink eye :o)
 
2012-08-02 02:41:23 PM  

socodog: You mean like this, aka_mrcam? It's custom, but totally do-able.

[i47.tinypic.com image 599x445]


I like that, I could never understand HD. We have this large powerful water-cooled engine that we spent tons of money and years to develop lets only use it in one bike. And that one bike will be of a class of bike that we sell that doesn't have the highest markup.
 
2012-08-02 02:56:51 PM  

drewogatory: Okay, explain yourself. I barely decided to go with a Monster S2R 1000 over a Sport 1000 biposto. I can't imagine regretting purchasing such a lovely bike.

Can't see it when you're on it. I just think the 'strada is 1000 times more comfortable, and given they are pretty much the same otherwise...Even though I put a cycle-cat 916 bar set and the comfort seat on my Classic (I have the 06 yellow mono) it still forces me to put too much weight on my wrists, jacking my throttle control and braking inputs. I might try moving the bars above the triple clamp and see if that helps.


You're riding wrong. You are never supposed to put weight on your wrists. Support your upper body with your core. Back, abs and legs. At all times - even under heavy braking - you should be able to flap your arms like a chicken, or even let go entirely (need a throttle lock for that though).

Ride a supersport sometime. ;D
 
2012-08-02 03:07:18 PM  

Kuroshin: drewogatory: Okay, explain yourself. I barely decided to go with a Monster S2R 1000 over a Sport 1000 biposto. I can't imagine regretting purchasing such a lovely bike.

Can't see it when you're on it. I just think the 'strada is 1000 times more comfortable, and given they are pretty much the same otherwise...Even though I put a cycle-cat 916 bar set and the comfort seat on my Classic (I have the 06 yellow mono) it still forces me to put too much weight on my wrists, jacking my throttle control and braking inputs. I might try moving the bars above the triple clamp and see if that helps.

You're riding wrong. You are never supposed to put weight on your wrists. Support your upper body with your core. Back, abs and legs. At all times - even under heavy braking - you should be able to flap your arms like a chicken, or even let go entirely (need a throttle lock for that though).

Ride a supersport sometime. ;D


Nah, I just have repetitive stress injuries and I just need/prefer a more upright riding position now that I'm old. I'm street riding, my racing days are over.
 
2012-08-02 03:11:28 PM  
Not to mention, unless you've ridden a Sport Classic, you'd be hard pressed to explain how bad the ergo's are. And I worked at a multi-line dealer for over 10 years, and have ridden damn near every production bike from about '67-93 and a not too shabby selection of the newer models as well.
 
kab
2012-08-02 03:20:34 PM  

YodaBlues: As for Harley, the bikes are nice, always had a thing for the Street glides personally, but almost every Harley Rider I've ever run into has turned out to be a dick who gives me the stink eye cause I had the audacity to buy a different brand.


Bring a japanese bike to a BMW bikefest, and let us know if you still think HD riders are the worst.

Speaking of bike porn?

www.motorcycle-usa.com

*drool*
 
2012-08-02 03:31:38 PM  

wildcardjack: How do I know nobody RTFA?

Revenue was up. Earnings are up. Projections are up. The stock should have been up.

But then this last line...

The stock was among 140 stocks that the New York Stock Exchange was looking at in light of a series of bizarre trading moves that occurred during early trading due to "a technology issue" at Knight Capital Group (KCG).

Yes, it was the victim of an HFT pushing the stock down. A broken one at that.

/It was 106 yesterday, looking at 110 today
//Superman wouldn't fly in this weather.


Yep the whole market is in a twirl because of Knight's software bugs. They lost a tone of money today and will spend tons more fixing the glitches.
 
2012-08-02 03:34:37 PM  
I've gone back and forth about a bike for a while. I live in the Midwest so I can get a good, 4-6 mos. a year use out of it, weather permitting. I'm looking at it from a "save on gas money, have something lighter and easier to park" perspective though.

What I'd like to have:
upload.wikimedia.org

What I'd probably buy:
www.a2zcarsinfo.com
 
2012-08-02 03:54:12 PM  
I want an Ural

stylecrave.frsucrave.netdna-cdn.com

zprepared.com
 
2012-08-02 03:58:51 PM  

socodog: Posting this again from another HD thread:

I love this bike. She's been quiet, GREAT handling, reliable, comfortable, and most importantly FUN. You can pick up one of the older models for a pretty good price.

The haters can eat a bag of dicks.

[i48.tinypic.com image 585x391]



Great handling?
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha......hahahah
*cough*
Bwahahahahahahahahaha.

Handling means the way it handles corners. Usually infers that a bike can actually get round a corner without grinding grooves into the tarmac.

My old Honda went to the Isle of Man TT, then the day after it finished I took it across Europe to the Med and back, through the Alps etc. Without a spanner, without a pre-service, without breakdown cover. Because breakdowns were not an issue.

/ Oh yes, with a passenger and camping gear all the way.

Yes, I have ridden a Harley. At one third the price it might have been awesome, with chrome that stayed in the same post-code it would have been acceptable.
 
2012-08-02 04:28:14 PM  
I would not mind of of the 800cc high pipe Sporters, but that is only for looks.

Once when I was shopping, I was told by many people, including the salesman, that 800c was just chick level bike. It was not enough to haul a 'man' around. I pointed out that I rode in a 72 CL350 that gets me around town just great. The old bike has more than enough acceleration to move around traffic and is light enought to use your body weight to help move it around. If that gets a 190lb guy around town fine, why the fark is an 800cc Harley not enough? I guess they either want to shame idiots out of more money, the engines just really suck worse than a 40 year Jap bike or both.
 
2012-08-02 04:36:58 PM  

wingnut396: I would not mind of of the 800cc high pipe Sporters, but that is only for looks.

Once when I was shopping, I was told by many people, including the salesman, that 800c was just chick level bike. It was not enough to haul a 'man' around. I pointed out that I rode in a 72 CL350 that gets me around town just great. The old bike has more than enough acceleration to move around traffic and is light enought to use your body weight to help move it around. If that gets a 190lb guy around town fine, why the fark is an 800cc Harley not enough? I guess they either want to shame idiots out of more money, the engines just really suck worse than a 40 year Jap bike or both.


This. When I was considering buying a bike, I was looking at old honda cb350s. I test drove one, and it had more than enough power to get me around and still be fun. Meanwhile, overweight boners kept telling me I needed a 'real mans bike'.

Ended up getting an mr2 instead, but might still buy an old honda. I love the styling on the dream.
 
2012-08-02 04:38:17 PM  

WhyteRaven74: CoonAce: Their only hope is to get young riders hooked by winning at the racetrack... somehow.

Well there are forms of motorcycle racing they do well at.



"Free fall from a passing aircraft" being one of them.
 
2012-08-02 04:42:35 PM  

Explodo: Caelistis: I want to make it clear up front that I am not a bike guy. They have never appealed to me. However, can someone actually make a reasonable argument that those obnoxious, loud ass pipes are "safer" when you're sitting dead stopped on I-35 in the middle of rush hour traffic?

By that logic, wouldn't putting straight dumps on my Torino make me "safer" as well?

The reasoning is that if they're so obnoxiously loud that you'll hear them no matter what happens and you'll not run into them because you know that they're there. It has the side effect of making everyone want to run them off the road though.


That said, you really should straight pipe your Torino...or put cut-outs on the headers...or backwards install a couple blue-bottles.
 
2012-08-02 04:47:12 PM  

Lusiphur: This. When I was considering buying a bike, I was looking at old honda cb350s. I test drove one, and it had more than enough power to get me around and still be fun. Meanwhile, overweight boners kept telling me I needed a 'real mans bike'.


I had an experience like that back in my sportbike days. CSB time. Two women walk by and see my GSX-R600. "My boyfriend has a bike just like that......oh....it's ONLY a 600...."

Yeah, 100+hp pushing ~400# (sans rider)...what a POS! lol Oddly enough, I had a lot of 'Vettes want to "race," especially the LT4 CE versions.

/I use the term "race" loosely
//Because really, even a "lowly" 600 had no problem dispatching them
///The newer 1L bikes (and, of course, the 'Busa) are just insane
 
2012-08-02 04:52:11 PM  

dickfreckle: BIKE THREAD


BOOBS AND BIKE THREAD
FTFY
 
2012-08-02 04:55:33 PM  
movies.unrealitytv.com
RIP TOPPER HARLEY
 
2012-08-02 05:20:09 PM  

lunkhed: socodog: Posting this again from another HD thread:

I love this bike. She's been quiet, GREAT handling, reliable, comfortable, and most importantly FUN. You can pick up one of the older models for a pretty good price.

The haters can eat a bag of dicks.

[i48.tinypic.com image 585x391]


Great handling?
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha......hahahah
*cough*
Bwahahahahahahahahaha.

Handling means the way it handles corners. Usually infers that a bike can actually get round a corner without grinding grooves into the tarmac.

My old Honda went to the Isle of Man TT, then the day after it finished I took it across Europe to the Med and back, through the Alps etc. Without a spanner, without a pre-service, without breakdown cover. Because breakdowns were not an issue.

/ Oh yes, with a passenger and camping gear all the way.

Yes, I have ridden a Harley. At one third the price it might have been awesome, with chrome that stayed in the same post-code it would have been acceptable.


Cool story, bro. Ok, so I'm to assume you've put a bunch of miles on a VRSCD or are you just talking about your experience with OTHER HD products?
 
2012-08-02 06:05:02 PM  

wingnut396: I would not mind of of the 800cc high pipe Sporters, but that is only for looks.

Once when I was shopping, I was told by many people, including the salesman, that 800c was just chick level bike. It was not enough to haul a 'man' around. I pointed out that I rode in a 72 CL350 that gets me around town just great. The old bike has more than enough acceleration to move around traffic and is light enought to use your body weight to help move it around. If that gets a 190lb guy around town fine, why the fark is an 800cc Harley not enough? I guess they either want to shame idiots out of more money, the engines just really suck worse than a 40 year Jap bike or both.


Yeah, never trust a salesperson or Harley riders when it comes to engine size. They too concerned with comparing their dick size to engine displacement. They are the reason why 1300cc is now the "mid-size" bike range. I started on a Yamaha Virago 700 and it had plenty of power. The only reason I traded up to an 1100 was to get something with more physical room so I could stretch out on long rides. And I'm a big dude, 5'10" 270.
 
2012-08-02 06:06:11 PM  

drewogatory: Crashed (or neglected) imports most likely, not ones that failed mechanically


What color is the sun on your planet? Are you in another dimension where physics are different?
If no, then don't fool yourself.
 
2012-08-02 06:09:12 PM  
No big fan of Harley culture here. In Wisconsin, they get a free pass in many ways: all the noisy "tributes" and "fundraisers" and "poker runs," and then ticketing lack of seat belt as a primary offense, but having no helmet law.

On a personal note: I rode a 1970 Triumph just like this back in the day, and get tempted to get back on a bike now and then, but I too damned old to be doing it, I realize. But, what memories they were!

Link
 
2012-08-02 06:12:39 PM  
^^^^^Trying once again with 1970 Triumph Daytona pic:

Link
 
2012-08-02 06:41:04 PM  

WhyteRaven74: dickfreckle: ///by all means, come on in and defend HD as a company that does anything but sell an image

What's funny is that Harley is doing what all the business and marketing wonks say is the most important thing, extending the brand, building the brand etc. As Harley shows, perhaps the obsession with brands is not well founded.


Credit appears to be the strongest brand and they exist in a market requiring consumers using credit. How many overpriced motorcycles did Malcolm Forbes own?
 
2012-08-02 06:41:18 PM  

verbaltoxin: I've gone back and forth about a bike for a while. I live in the Midwest so I can get a good, 4-6 mos. a year use out of it, weather permitting. I'm looking at it from a "save on gas money, have something lighter and easier to park" perspective though.

What I'd like to have:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 750x536]

What I'd probably buy:
[www.a2zcarsinfo.com image 600x498]


Get used to working on bikes then. NOT because they are a bad bike, but because the laundry list of modifications that can be done to the KLR is almost endless.

Here is mine, taken last April on my way out to see the parents.

img824.imageshack.us
 
2012-08-02 07:46:31 PM  

YodaBlues: wingnut396: I would not mind of of the 800cc high pipe Sporters, but that is only for looks.

Once when I was shopping, I was told by many people, including the salesman, that 800c was just chick level bike. It was not enough to haul a 'man' around. I pointed out that I rode in a 72 CL350 that gets me around town just great. The old bike has more than enough acceleration to move around traffic and is light enought to use your body weight to help move it around. If that gets a 190lb guy around town fine, why the fark is an 800cc Harley not enough? I guess they either want to shame idiots out of more money, the engines just really suck worse than a 40 year Jap bike or both.

Yeah, never trust a salesperson or Harley riders when it comes to engine size. They too concerned with comparing their dick size to engine displacement. They are the reason why 1300cc is now the "mid-size" bike range. I started on a Yamaha Virago 700 and it had plenty of power. The only reason I traded up to an 1100 was to get something with more physical room so I could stretch out on long rides. And I'm a big dude, 5'10" 270.


Hardley engines aren't real high output. The reason you're going to want 1300 cc is because that's about the minimum that will make a machine that heavy get out of its own way with alacrity, and get you a moderately alarming top speed. Sportsters do get something of a bad rap. That "girl bike" shiat is retarded. It's actually easier to ride the Big Twins. At least until they rubber-mounted the engines and added 50 lbs. to them in the process, a Sportster would smoke any big twin. The 883 just didn't have an especially high top speed. Maybe 100 mph, with a tailwind. They do have other deficiencies as motorcycles, though, which is why I won't ever buy another one.
 
2012-08-02 08:43:53 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Maybe if they made reasonably priced, good quality vehicles they wouldn't have this problem.


Bingo. A Harley is the worlds most efficient way to turn gasoline and money into noise. If you like to work on your bike, buy a Harley. If you like to ride your bike, get a Honda.
 
2012-08-02 08:47:15 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: Maybe their sales are falling because the bikes cost more than a compact car and get half the mileage?


The cost, yes. The gas mileage, no. They get about the same gas mileage as a compact car. Actually slightly better than most Honda or Yamaha street bikes. The pistons are big, but there are only 2, and they don't cycle very fast. The sales are weak because money is tight, and their product is priced too high for what you get. They shut down Buell and sold MV Augusta for a buck or something like that, not because they couldn't sell any, but because they didn't like the lower margins they made selling sportbikes.
 
2012-08-02 08:57:16 PM  

drewogatory: They're moving on to the Can-Am tricycles.

Now there's a vehicle that's truly,truly embarassing. All the disadvantages of a bike, but it's the width of a car! So you too can sit stuck in traffic, yet be exposed to the weather at the same time! Genius!


Plus, they get shiatty mileage...
 
2012-08-02 09:02:33 PM  

dallylamma: I want an Ural

[stylecrave.frsucrave.netdna-cdn.com image 570x438]

[zprepared.com image 520x420]


There's a Ural dealer in Lubbock and I went to go check them out not too long ago.

Do yourself a favor and don't go, definitely don't go sit on one. If you do, it's all you'll think about. They're built like tanks, and even cooler in person than you think they would be.
 
2012-08-02 09:11:00 PM  
CSB time - I own a '06 Shadow 750. I live in an area that has annual "bike weeks". I pulled into a local dive parking lot a few weeks back to check out some of the hardware in the parking lot & have a beer. This kinda drunk pot-bellied RUB looked at my ride and said "Pffft...why don't you get a real bike?". I was floored. These people actually exist? This was a first. Most riders are pretty cool, regardless of what they ride.

I quickly glanced at his gleaming, mostly un-ridden Road King. My response - "Um, my bike has 2 carbs & a chain...and no payment. Yours has fuel injection & a rubber belt. Wanna compare odometers instead?" His equally fat buddy just kind looked down & shook his head. Fat RUB said "Farkin' rice burner!", lumbered off to the cornhole area & proceeded to play red neck horseshoes with his Harley-attired fat woman.

FWIW, most everyone that rides regularly doesn't give a shiat about what you ride - except those BMW pricks. They're in a pretentious league all of their own.

Harley makes good bikes. They're just way too expensive. And Victory? Same engine & tranny with different makeup applied. Overpriced, massively depreciating American-made stuff. Buy used.
 
2012-08-02 09:50:18 PM  
I'm happy with my CBR 250.

//Not a "real" bike.
 
2012-08-02 10:29:18 PM  

Asako: I'm happy with my CBR 250.

//Not a "real" bike.


My commuter is a CBR250... It's an excellent bike. Enough power to be fun, agile, easy to ride and I average 65-70 mpg.
 
2012-08-02 11:16:04 PM  

forgotmydamnusername:

Hardley engines aren't real high output. The reason you're going to want 1300 cc is because that's about the minimum that will make a machine that heavy get out of its own way with alacrity, and get you a moderately alarming top speed. Sportsters do get something of a bad rap. That "girl bike" shiat is retarded. It's actually easier to ride the Big Twins. At least until they rubber-mounted the engines and added 50 lbs. to them in the process, a Sportster would smoke any big twin. The 883 just didn't have an especially high top speed. Maybe 100 mph, with a tailwind. They do have other deficiencies as motorcycles, though, which is why I won't ever buy another one.


True, but I was more referring to how the other manufacturer's are pushing big engine bikes in order to compete with Harley, like Honda and Yamaha. They did away away with their liter bikes a few years back, so instead of an entry level (500-750cc), mid-range (1100-1300cc) and high-end (1500+), mid-level starts at 1300cc's. They push the 750-950cc now for your first bike, which is kind of ridiculous for someone whose never ridden before. When I started looking a few years back, I went with a 700 cause it was perfect to learn on (took the MSF, so I was familiar) and still had enough that I wouldn't get bored within 6 months.

I may just be bitter cause I was originally going to get the Honda Sabre 1100, but they had discontinued the model when I was looking. I love my Yammie though, don't get me wrong, but those Sabre's were pretty sick...liquid cooled, single carb and they had the some damn nice styling. Always wanted to try to see if I could get a set of their wheels put on my V-Star.

images.craigslist.org

Slayinit:
FWIW, most everyone that rides regularly doesn't give a shiat about what you ride - except those BMW pricks. They're in a pretentious league all of their own.

Harley makes good bikes. They're just way too expensive. And Victory? Same engine & tranny with different makeup applied. Overpriced, massively depreciating American-made stuff. Buy used.


That's pretty much my philosophy. I've never really cared what anyone rode, sport, standard, cruiser, make or model, just ride and enjoy yourself.

Unless you're going to give me shiat for owning for "Jap bike". Then you can go fark yourself.
 
2012-08-02 11:19:27 PM  

socodog: lunkhed: socodog: Posting this again from another HD thread:

I love this bike. She's been quiet, GREAT handling, reliable, comfortable, and most importantly FUN. You can pick up one of the older models for a pretty good price.

The haters can eat a bag of dicks.

[i48.tinypic.com image 585x391]


Great handling?
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha......hahahah
*cough*
Bwahahahahahahahahaha.

Handling means the way it handles corners. Usually infers that a bike can actually get round a corner without grinding grooves into the tarmac.

My old Honda went to the Isle of Man TT, then the day after it finished I took it across Europe to the Med and back, through the Alps etc. Without a spanner, without a pre-service, without breakdown cover. Because breakdowns were not an issue.

/ Oh yes, with a passenger and camping gear all the way.

Yes, I have ridden a Harley. At one third the price it might have been awesome, with chrome that stayed in the same post-code it would have been acceptable.

Cool story, bro. Ok, so I'm to assume you've put a bunch of miles on a VRSCD or are you just talking about your experience with OTHER HD products?


Dude, seriously. The VRod is one of only two half-decent bikes H-D makes, but it still isn't even half the bike of any sport-tourer on the market. Hell, something as mundane as a Multistrada beats it in absolutely every category. Want to keep it along cruisers? Fine. VTX1800 or Rune tears the pants off it.

H-D makes bikes for people who want only an H-D. They do not compare or compete against anything else, because literally everything else is superior. They sell image, not bikes.
 
2012-08-02 11:38:27 PM  

Slayinit: CSB time - I own a '06 Shadow 750. I live in an area that has annual "bike weeks". I pulled into a local dive parking lot a few weeks back to check out some of the hardware in the parking lot & have a beer. This kinda drunk pot-bellied RUB looked at my ride and said "Pffft...why don't you get a real bike?". I was floored. These people actually exist? This was a first. Most riders are pretty cool, regardless of what they ride.

I quickly glanced at his gleaming, mostly un-ridden Road King. My response - "Um, my bike has 2 carbs & a chain...and no payment. Yours has fuel injection & a rubber belt. Wanna compare odometers instead?" His equally fat buddy just kind looked down & shook his head. Fat RUB said "Farkin' rice burner!", lumbered off to the cornhole area & proceeded to play red neck horseshoes with his Harley-attired fat woman.

FWIW, most everyone that rides regularly doesn't give a shiat about what you ride - except those BMW pricks. They're in a pretentious league all of their own.

Harley makes good bikes. They're just way too expensive. And Victory? Same engine & tranny with different makeup applied. Overpriced, massively depreciating American-made stuff. Buy used.


If its a Harley, definitely buy used to avoid the "Harley tax". When you buy a new Harley, you are getting a blank slate, they deliberately design them to either be really expensive, or you have to put another $2500 in it. Buy used, like i did wi my road king. Got it used low mileage, with all the good shiat already done. The only thing I've added is a set of grips (and about 10000 miles on it in the last 11 months).
 
2012-08-03 12:02:47 AM  

forgotmydamnusername: Guntram Shatterhand: Maybe their sales are falling because the bikes cost more than a compact car and get half the mileage?

The cost, yes. The gas mileage, no. They get about the same gas mileage as a compact car. Actually slightly better than most Honda or Yamaha street bikes. The pistons are big, but there are only 2, and they don't cycle very fast. The sales are weak because money is tight, and their product is priced too high for what you get. They shut down Buell and sold MV Augusta for a buck or something like that, not because they couldn't sell any, but because they didn't like the lower margins they made selling sportbikes.


Please tell me what your Harley gets for gas mileage. I own a CBR929RR and a GoldWing, and would happily be willing to prove you wrong with either one.
 
2012-08-03 12:56:03 AM  

Do the needful: forgotmydamnusername: Guntram Shatterhand: Maybe their sales are falling because the bikes cost more than a compact car and get half the mileage?

The cost, yes. The gas mileage, no. They get about the same gas mileage as a compact car. Actually slightly better than most Honda or Yamaha street bikes. The pistons are big, but there are only 2, and they don't cycle very fast. The sales are weak because money is tight, and their product is priced too high for what you get. They shut down Buell and sold MV Augusta for a buck or something like that, not because they couldn't sell any, but because they didn't like the lower margins they made selling sportbikes.

Please tell me what your Harley gets for gas mileage. I own a CBR929RR and a GoldWing, and would happily be willing to prove you wrong with either one.


Currently, 39 MPG. Stock, it got 45. I didn't go real radical with my cam. IIRC, your CBR929 RR is getting about 35.
 
2012-08-03 01:23:42 AM  

forgotmydamnusername: Do the needful: forgotmydamnusername: Guntram Shatterhand: Maybe their sales are falling because the bikes cost more than a compact car and get half the mileage?

The cost, yes. The gas mileage, no. They get about the same gas mileage as a compact car. Actually slightly better than most Honda or Yamaha street bikes. The pistons are big, but there are only 2, and they don't cycle very fast. The sales are weak because money is tight, and their product is priced too high for what you get. They shut down Buell and sold MV Augusta for a buck or something like that, not because they couldn't sell any, but because they didn't like the lower margins they made selling sportbikes.

Please tell me what your Harley gets for gas mileage. I own a CBR929RR and a GoldWing, and would happily be willing to prove you wrong with either one.

Currently, 39 MPG. Stock, it got 45. I didn't go real radical with my cam. IIRC, your CBR929 RR is getting about 35.


Well my CBR is bone stock, and gets right about 40 around town as long as I am not goofing off. On the highway it's mid to upper 40's. My Goldwing is about 5 mpg less so about 35+ in town, and about 40 on the slab. My dad's GL1800 on the other hand is consistently mid 40's.
 
2012-08-03 10:24:49 AM  

dickfreckle: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I have friends that not only own Harleys, but they also own every bit of gear and apparel available. As usual with things like this, people wind up demonstrating their individuality by being exactly like everyone else

Bingo. If you sample 100 riders of every other brand, you will find a diverse collection of gear, riding style/class, etc. With Harley, there's just one: Wear no helmet (or minimal novelty skull cap as required state-by-state) + $1000 in stupid fashion-weight, branded 'gear' that offers little to zero protection in the event of an accident.

I'm sorry to troll you guys, but Harley riders are, as a percentage, the biggest morons on the road. And that would be fine if you dolts weren't trying to tell me that loud pipes are a safety feature while fumbling through second gear out of the Hooters happy hour parking lot with a farking bandanna and some tassels to protect you.

Seriously, you guys are a joke, and you're not replenishing your rapidly aging fanbase with younger riders. Even Gen-Xers (like myself) who are approaching their 40s think you're lame. You are the Republican party of motorcycles.

/Triumph Speed Triple
//daily urban commuter for nearly 20 years
///by all means, come on in and defend HD as a company that does anything but sell an image


Nice bike.

/street trip r myself. Mean little buggers
 
2012-08-03 11:50:27 AM  

Ontos: Asako: I'm happy with my CBR 250.

//Not a "real" bike.

My commuter is a CBR250... It's an excellent bike. Enough power to be fun, agile, easy to ride and I average 65-70 mpg.


I commute on mine and I've done a bit of touring on it. They definitely are nice bikes but you'll constantly get shiat from people about having such a "small" bike.
 
2012-08-03 11:56:49 AM  

forgotmydamnusername: Do the needful: forgotmydamnusername: Guntram Shatterhand: Maybe their sales are falling because the bikes cost more than a compact car and get half the mileage?

The cost, yes. The gas mileage, no. They get about the same gas mileage as a compact car. Actually slightly better than most Honda or Yamaha street bikes. The pistons are big, but there are only 2, and they don't cycle very fast. The sales are weak because money is tight, and their product is priced too high for what you get. They shut down Buell and sold MV Augusta for a buck or something like that, not because they couldn't sell any, but because they didn't like the lower margins they made selling sportbikes.

Please tell me what your Harley gets for gas mileage. I own a CBR929RR and a GoldWing, and would happily be willing to prove you wrong with either one.

Currently, 39 MPG. Stock, it got 45. I didn't go real radical with my cam. IIRC, your CBR929 RR is getting about 35.


If I weren't a bit of a hooligan, my R6 and S2R would both be over 45mpg. I average 42mpg with my riding habits on both bikes. Most Yammies and Hondas are either around or above my current average for typical MPG.

/surprised at the MPG of the Ducati
 
2012-08-03 12:30:44 PM  

Asako: Ontos: Asako: I'm happy with my CBR 250.

//Not a "real" bike.

My commuter is a CBR250... It's an excellent bike. Enough power to be fun, agile, easy to ride and I average 65-70 mpg.

I commute on mine and I've done a bit of touring on it. They definitely are nice bikes but you'll constantly get shiat from people about having such a "small" bike.


I'll never get why folks hate on small bikes. Current superbikes are overpowered to the point of uselessness for 95% of riders. When folks like Eddie Lawson and Kevin Schwantz flat out say they couldn't ride the current bikes anywhere near their potential on the street I tend to listen to them, not squidley down at the Rock Store. I'd far,far rather have a lighter,nimbler street bike and a dedicated race bike than a daily driver I take to track days. Considering the depreciation and the expense of fixing bodywork, you can easily grab a 4 or 5 year old GSXR or R1 or CBR for less than half of new. That way you aren't paying the insane running costs like insurance and rear tires that you would be using a supersport for a daily driver. I'll say it again: Much,much more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow. And cheaper too.
 
2012-08-03 01:06:28 PM  
My Honda Aero 750 gets me around pretty well. The only complaint I have is when I go on road trips, then it is a bit underpowered. Around town it's fantastic, and I get great gas mileage with it.

I admit that I've wanted to get a Harley since I was a kid. Mainly due to my uncles having them, and how bad ass they were. When I bought my Honda it was the full intention of upgrading in a few years. But I've looked at a lot of Harleys, and I can't say I'm all that eager to drop 20k on one. I'll probably end up getting a Honda Interstate or Sabre in stead at almost 60% of what I'd spend on a HD.

And yeah, the attitude of some HD riders I've met hasn't helped. Many are cool, and some have even gone so far as to compliment my bike, but you do run into the occasional asshats that are HD snobs to the extreme.
 
2012-08-03 01:37:47 PM  

Kuroshin: If I weren't a bit of a hooligan, my R6 and S2R would both be over 45mpg. I average 42mpg with my riding habits on both bikes. Most Yammies and Hondas are either around or above my current average for typical MPG.

/surprised at the MPG of the Ducati


That's impressive for an S2R, even the 800.
 
2012-08-03 01:58:43 PM  

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Kuroshin: If I weren't a bit of a hooligan, my R6 and S2R would both be over 45mpg. I average 42mpg with my riding habits on both bikes. Most Yammies and Hondas are either around or above my current average for typical MPG.

/surprised at the MPG of the Ducati

That's impressive for an S2R, even the 800.


Huh, 'cause my SC1000 gets maybe 28. And has an insanely small tank. It's really kind of annoying.
 
2012-08-03 02:30:18 PM  
I have a '97 883. This is my second summer with it and I've had 0 problems in 15k miles so far. It was cheap,
I also have a yamaha wr250x for local fun.

I dream of the day I can buy a monster 1100 with termis. I'd trade a kidney for one if they'd take it.
 
2012-08-03 05:37:45 PM  
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V-4 represent!
 
2012-08-03 07:51:27 PM  
retrowonderland.com

Propz to the subby for the reference.

/I like the girls with big big teets!!!
 
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