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2012-08-02 11:12:47 AM  

sprawl15: mrshowrules: Happy Hours: Skleenar: I wonder what Happy Hours thinks.

I think the US has involved itself in too many other countries using the excuse that we're not actually planning on sending in troops or getting into a war with them.

Thanks for wondering.

I wonder why some people want to reignite the cold war.

Wouldn't that be "refreeze" or "encolden" the cold war?

Undefrost.


Embiggen.
 
2012-08-02 11:13:15 AM  

unexplained bacon: I alone am best: We should just stop messing with other countries because it never works out in our favor.

I'd call that a fair point, but it's got a funny twist coming from the same people who shouted down opposition to the Iraq war with stuff like, 'Freedom isn't free!!'


Or who insist that we're currently not doing enough to aid the Syrian rebels.
 
2012-08-02 11:16:23 AM  

qorkfiend: unexplained bacon: I alone am best: We should just stop messing with other countries because it never works out in our favor.

I'd call that a fair point, but it's got a funny twist coming from the same people who shouted down opposition to the Iraq war with stuff like, 'Freedom isn't free!!'

Or who insist that we're currently not doing enough to aid the Syrian rebels.


it makes sense, if we can topple assad with just a little push then do it.
unless Obama is doing it, then it's the same thing as invading Iraq, and why the hell aren't the libs mad?
 
2012-08-02 11:17:10 AM  
The art of discourse is really lost, isn't it?
 
2012-08-02 11:18:20 AM  

Epoch_Zero: NBC said the shoulder-fired missiles, also known as MANPADs, had been delivered to the rebels via Turkey.


*snerk*


I would imagine they're either SA- models via countries like Saudi or Mistrals from France.
 
2012-08-02 11:19:11 AM  

sprawl15: Epoch_Zero: NBC said the shoulder-fired missiles, also known as MANPADs, had been delivered to the rebels via Turkey.


*snerk*

I would imagine they're either SA- models via countries like Saudi or Mistrals from France.


Let's give NBC some credit for not referring to them as AK-47s.
 
2012-08-02 11:20:09 AM  
It's looking more and more like the Syrian "uprising" is a Western scheme, like how the "KLA" was actually just a bunch of gangsters who were hired to create an excuse to intervene. The biggest clue is that every AP article in the corporate media is unflinchingly pro-rebels, particularly by trumpeting their every stupid little minor action as a humongous blow against Assad. Multiple sources are saying the rebels have been carrying out massacres in order to blame them on the government, including one case where there was a massacre in a town that was under total rebel control. I don't know for certain but this isn't even as clean-cut as the Libyan civil war, which was (and still is) itself a clusterfark.

I'm not pro-Assad (and it's pathetic that I even have to say that) but it doesn't look like we have a dog in this race. The rebels are almost certainly going to lose (barring direct Western military intervention) and that might be a good thing.
 
2012-08-02 11:21:51 AM  

RanDomino: Multiple sources are saying the rebels have been carrying out massacres in order to blame them on the government, including one case where there was a massacre in a town that was under total rebel control.


Surely with multiple sources you could provide one for our edification.
 
2012-08-02 11:22:10 AM  

unexplained bacon: Ned Stark: unexplained bacon: Ned Stark: "Hitting someone with a bat is pretty much much the same as hitting someone with a shovel"

"Nuh-uh! Your nose bled when I hit you with a bat but I hit Steve with a shovel and your nose didn't bleed."

telling your friend the best place to hit his enemy with a bat is the same as hitting your friend's enemy with a shock and awe campaign.

right?

That's a bit stretched, but I'm gonna go with "no."

if we're talking about the 'aid to rebels = invasion/occupy' silliness then your analogy is terrible.
my analogy was straight forward.

we are talking about 'aid to rebels = invasion/occupy' aren't we?
say it, say 'aid to rebels = invasion/occupy'

unless I misunderstood what your analogy was supposed to represent, in which case clear that up for me.


The point is that Vietnam was not, in fact, US territory. That even if aiding rebels is equivalent to invasion/occupation of territory The US would not react as if it had been invaded because the rebels are in farking Vietnam.
 
2012-08-02 11:23:35 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: And douchebag anything-Obama-does-sucks twits, the world is a complicated place. And Bush never did much to help the people of North Korea even after meeting with the author of Aquariums of Pyongyang, did he? And they were 1/3rd of the AXIS OF MOTHERF--KING EVIL!. This isn't a right vs wrong thing, this is a 'hold off lethal weapon support, but help out in any other way possible be it communications or tactical via Turkey". That's different. Christ.


While I think Obama's foreign policy here is an improvement of the Bush/Cheney approach, I still object to what's being done. It's taking sides, it's interventionist, and it creates new enemies when the US already has made plenty. Don't get me wrong, I think many of those tyrannical leaders ought to be overthrown, but I think it's a bad move for our government to meddle, covert or overtly. I'd rather look for ways to help them privately and voluntarily.
 
2012-08-02 11:26:19 AM  

Deftoons: and it creates new enemies when the US already has made plenty.


What new enemies has it created?

Deftoons: I'd rather look for ways to help them privately and voluntarily.


What does "privately and voluntarily" mean, in this case?
 
2012-08-02 11:26:51 AM  

TheGogmagog: Sergeant Grumbles: God dammit, Nappa. I read that as "Saiyan Rebels".

Better than those Symbian Rebels. *cough *GD*


Not as great as the Sybian Rebels. They'll splooge you to death.
 
2012-08-02 11:40:24 AM  
Chaos is stability

If Syria is in civil war, they won't be able to support anti-Israel interest.
Happy now Mr. Adelson?
 
2012-08-02 11:43:13 AM  

unexplained bacon: I alone am best: We should just stop messing with other countries because it never works out in our favor.

I'd call that a fair point, but it's got a funny twist coming from the same people who shouted down opposition to the Iraq war with stuff like, 'Freedom isn't free!!'


To tell you the truth I wasn't really politically active when that started and just supported it because I knew people going, personally I wasn't supporting the idea so much as I was supporting the troops that were tasked with it. Now that I know more, it was a pretty bad idea.
 
2012-08-02 11:46:53 AM  
I have a great idea!

Lets ask Republicans what is the best way to handle this, they have had an amazing record before!

/This is what Republicans actually believe!
 
2012-08-02 11:47:26 AM  

machoprogrammer: Reagan having the CIA help rebels: Democrats scream it is bad, Republicans scream it is good.

Obama having the CIA help rebels: Republicans scream it is bad, Democrats scream it is good.

Just more of the same shiat.


I know. It's EXACTLY the same. I mean, of course, if you ignore the whole "Executive branch providing funding to the rebels in direct contravention of duly enacted legislation" thing.

but, I mean, that's at the END of the first paragraph in the wiki. No one has that long of an attention span.
 
2012-08-02 11:47:59 AM  
Obama is on the wrong side of this. Syrian christians are protected by and supportive of Assad. the repubs can quickly pivot to "waring against Christians"

/watch it will happen
 
2012-08-02 11:51:15 AM  

TrollingForColumbine: Obama is on the wrong side of this. Syrian christians are protected by and supportive of Assad. the repubs can quickly pivot to "waring against Christians"

/watch it will happen


And you bigger right off too.

Syrian conflicts over Syrian leadership are none of your buisness. NONE. Hands off!
 
2012-08-02 11:54:11 AM  

I alone am best: someonelse: I alone am best: someonelse: I alone am best: One Iran wasn't enough for the Obama administration so they are looking to make a few more.

Did you think that made sense when you typed it, or were you just hoping it did?

Do you know how Iran got to its current state?

Why don't you just skip ahead to whatever point you're trying to make?

We should just stop messing with other countries because it never works out in our favor.


The cows have long ago left the barn on that. So long ago that the cows no longer remember what it was like to live in a barn. Closing the door now accomplishes nothing.
 
2012-08-02 11:55:09 AM  

Ned Stark: TrollingForColumbine: Obama is on the wrong side of this. Syrian christians are protected by and supportive of Assad. the repubs can quickly pivot to "waring against Christians"

/watch it will happen

And you bigger right off too.

Syrian conflicts over Syrian leadership are none of your buisness. NONE. Hands off!


You bet your ass they're Israel's business, and as we all know, Israel's business is our business.
 
2012-08-02 11:56:39 AM  

Epoch_Zero: sprawl15: mrshowrules: Happy Hours: Skleenar: I wonder what Happy Hours thinks.

I think the US has involved itself in too many other countries using the excuse that we're not actually planning on sending in troops or getting into a war with them.

Thanks for wondering.

I wonder why some people want to reignite the cold war.

Wouldn't that be "refreeze" or "encolden" the cold war?

Undefrost.

Embiggen.


I don't think that is a cromulent word
 
2012-08-02 11:58:20 AM  

NateGrey: I have a great idea!

Lets ask Republicans what is the best way to handle this, they have had an amazing record before!

/This is what Republicans actually believe!


The economy is just fine! Quick... look over at Syria!
 
2012-08-02 11:59:58 AM  

RanDomino: It's looking more and more like the Syrian "uprising" is a Western scheme, like how the "KLA" was actually just a bunch of gangsters who were hired to create an excuse to intervene. The biggest clue is that every AP article in the corporate media is unflinchingly pro-rebels, particularly by trumpeting their every stupid little minor action as a humongous blow against Assad. Multiple sources are saying the rebels have been carrying out massacres in order to blame them on the government, including one case where there was a massacre in a town that was under total rebel control. I don't know for certain but this isn't even as clean-cut as the Libyan civil war, which was (and still is) itself a clusterfark.

I'm not pro-Assad (and it's pathetic that I even have to say that) but it doesn't look like we have a dog in this race. The rebels are almost certainly going to lose (barring direct Western military intervention) and that might be a good thing.


Guess you missed the article last night reporting on condemnation they received for 20-some illegal executions the rebels carried out in the streets of Aleppo.

Deftoons: While I think Obama's foreign policy here is an improvement of the Bush/Cheney approach, I still object to what's being done. It's taking sides, it's interventionist, and it creates new enemies when the US already has made plenty. Don't get me wrong, I think many of those tyrannical leaders ought to be overthrown, but I think it's a bad move for our government to meddle, covert or overtly. I'd rather look for ways to help them privately and voluntarily.


There are no "new enemies" to be made. The Assad gov't is very hostile towards Israel, which unfortunately makes them unfriendly to the US. If he retained power, even if we did absolutely nothing, it wouldn't improve our relations. If the rebellion is successful however, our inaction would not be taken very well.

Here's the thing: shiat is going down with or without our involvement. If anything, our light touch is stemming heavier action by Turkey, and if not us, the Saudis are doing similar anyway. The whole situation is very delicate and complex, and quite frankly I think our current policy regarding Syria is the correct one.
 
2012-08-02 12:02:18 PM  

someonelse: The cows have long ago left the barn on that. So long ago that the cows no longer remember what it was like to live in a barn. Closing the door now accomplishes nothing.


qorkfiend: You bet your ass they're Israel's business, and as we all know, Israel's business is our business.


These are the unfortunate realities of the situation.
 
2012-08-02 12:02:27 PM  
qorkfiend
Surely with multiple sources you could provide one for our edification.

I don't know how reliable this is having myself not seen the article mentioned. (for me the page flips to a "page not found" so hit esc when it loads)
It doesn't do anything for this story's credibility that it's mostly copypasta'd on unreliable sites like globalresearch. But overall the stories out of Syria are either coming from the conspiracy-theory crowd or from known State propaganda organs, the latter generally written in a style that immediately sets off my bullshiat detector, such as this one- it's AP, which carries this mystique of being the dehumanized Voice of Truth, but uses phrases such as "fiercest fighting seen in the country's largest city, which has been a key bastion of support for President Bashar Assad" (implying that the support is weakening even though the plural of anecdote is not data) and "dozens of fighters from the rag-tag Free Syrian Army" ('rag-tag' is obviously supposed to engender sympathy; but, more importantly, even the AP admits there were only "dozens" of them, but it's being trumpeted as this major offensive) and quoting only one side.
 
2012-08-02 12:06:10 PM  

NateGrey: I have a great idea!

Lets ask Republicans what is the best way to handle this, they have had an amazing record before!


I'll bite.

The "best way to handle this" is to have an independent investigation into the leaks, followed by public hangings of the traitors in the White House.

//State Secrets aren't State Secrets any more when they are leaked by the Reds in the White House.
 
2012-08-02 12:07:07 PM  

Skleenar: Happy Hours: Skleenar: I wonder what Happy Hours thinks.

I think the US has involved itself in too many other countries using the excuse that we're not actually planning on sending in troops or getting into a war with them.

Thanks for wondering.

I wonder why some people want to reignite the cold war.

in what respect, Charlie?


Russia against the US - Russia helps Assad. US helps the rebels. Maybe this is just more of a proxy war which I suppose is better than the US and Russia fighting each other directly in a war....which is nice....so it's got that going for it.

I just really don't see the US interest in aiding the rebels. Sure, we don't like Assad or the way Syria operates today. If the rebels are crushed we still won't like it and it can only raise tensions between Syria and all of its current allies.

If the rebels win I don't think it's going to matter much whether or not we helped them. They're not going to just decide to ignore diplomatic relations with the US just because we didn't funnel aid to them and on the flip side, they're not going to decide to be friendly to Israel and stop being an ally to Iran solely on the basis that we did help them.

It's just more meddling around in the affairs of a Middle Easter country.
 
2012-08-02 12:07:24 PM  

Leeds: NateGrey: I have a great idea!

Lets ask Republicans what is the best way to handle this, they have had an amazing record before!

I'll bite.

The "best way to handle this" is to have an independent investigation into the leaks, followed by public hangings of the traitors in the White House.

//State Secrets aren't State Secrets any more when they are leaked by the Reds in the White House.


If you wanted to know where you lost the last shred of credibility you had, it was "Reds in the White House".
 
2012-08-02 12:11:31 PM  

qorkfiend: Ned Stark: TrollingForColumbine: Obama is on the wrong side of this. Syrian christians are protected by and supportive of Assad. the repubs can quickly pivot to "waring against Christians"

/watch it will happen

And you bigger right off too.

Syrian conflicts over Syrian leadership are none of your buisness. NONE. Hands off!

You bet your ass they're Israel's business, and as we all know, Israel's business is our business.


And Israel would rather have Assad. He is stable and predictable. They would have preferred Mubarak to stay as well. Better the devil you know.
 
2012-08-02 12:15:40 PM  

qorkfiend: Leeds: NateGrey: I have a great idea!

Lets ask Republicans what is the best way to handle this, they have had an amazing record before!

I'll bite.

The "best way to handle this" is to have an independent investigation into the leaks, followed by public hangings of the traitors in the White House.

//State Secrets aren't State Secrets any more when they are leaked by the Reds in the White House.

If you wanted to know where you lost the last shred of credibility you had, it was "Reds in the White House".


Wait when did this troll have any credibility?
 
2012-08-02 12:16:22 PM  

Leeds: the Reds in the White House.


Warren Beatty and Diane Keaton?
 
2012-08-02 12:17:02 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: And Israel would rather have Assad. He is stable and predictable. They would have preferred Mubarak to stay as well. Better the devil you know.


Mubarak wasn't nearly as hostile towards Israel as Assad is. Not in the slightest. That's not to say that they're pro-regime-change but I seriously doubt they'd shed a tear over Assad's departure.
 
2012-08-02 12:22:29 PM  

RanDomino: qorkfiend
Surely with multiple sources you could provide one for our edification.

I don't know how reliable this is having myself not seen the article mentioned. (for me the page flips to a "page not found" so hit esc when it loads)
It doesn't do anything for this story's credibility that it's mostly copypasta'd on unreliable sites like globalresearch. But overall the stories out of Syria are either coming from the conspiracy-theory crowd or from known State propaganda organs, the latter generally written in a style that immediately sets off my bullshiat detector, such as this one- it's AP, which carries this mystique of being the dehumanized Voice of Truth, but uses phrases such as "fiercest fighting seen in the country's largest city, which has been a key bastion of support for President Bashar Assad" (implying that the support is weakening even though the plural of anecdote is not data) and "dozens of fighters from the rag-tag Free Syrian Army" ('rag-tag' is obviously supposed to engender sympathy; but, more importantly, even the AP admits there were only "dozens" of them, but it's being trumpeted as this major offensive) and quoting only one side.


Seems reliable. Especially since people behind voltairenet claim that 9/11 was inside job
 
2012-08-02 12:25:57 PM  

Happy Hours: It's just more meddling around in the affairs of a Middle Easter country.


Yes. Surely this will re-ignite the cold war.

I mean, sure, the US and Russia often support different teams in regional conflicts, as do the US and China and the US and other international or regional powers for that matter.

But this, THIS is the straw that will break the camelbear's back!
 
2012-08-02 12:28:14 PM  

Skleenar: Happy Hours: It's just more meddling around in the affairs of a Middle Easter country.

Yes. Surely this will re-ignite the cold war.

I mean, sure, the US and Russia often support different teams in regional conflicts, as do the US and China and the US and other international or regional powers for that matter.

But this, THIS is the straw that will break the camelbear's back!


Sometimes the straw doesn't have to be too heavy. I bet if you told the Europeans in 1913 that in one year, they'd all be at each other's throats over the actions of the Serbians, they would have laughed in your face.
 
2012-08-02 12:32:08 PM  

Skleenar: Happy Hours: It's just more meddling around in the affairs of a Middle Easter country.

Yes. Surely this will re-ignite the cold war.

I mean, sure, the US and Russia often support different teams in regional conflicts, as do the US and China and the US and other international or regional powers for that matter.

But this, THIS is the straw that will break the camelbear's back!


Well, I brought up cold war to begin with because someone used the excuse that Russia is supporting Assad so why shouldn't we support the rebels? That's cold war thinking right there.

Funny you chose to quote that one line from my post though while not addressing our complete lack of national interest in supporting the rebels other than they're against Assad too.
 
2012-08-02 12:32:16 PM  

someonelse: I alone am best: someonelse: I alone am best: someonelse: I alone am best: One Iran wasn't enough for the Obama administration so they are looking to make a few more.

Did you think that made sense when you typed it, or were you just hoping it did?

Do you know how Iran got to its current state?

Why don't you just skip ahead to whatever point you're trying to make?

We should just stop messing with other countries because it never works out in our favor.

The cows have long ago left the barn on that. So long ago that the cows no longer remember what it was like to live in a barn. Closing the door now accomplishes nothing.


The cows no longer remember the barn because they left so long ago that they have been rounded up, transported, butchered, transported again, packaged, sold, transported yet again, grilled, served, eaten, digested, shiat out, and are currently residing in a sewage treatment plant or septic tank.
 
2012-08-02 12:33:20 PM  

Skleenar: Happy Hours: It's just more meddling around in the affairs of a Middle Easter country.

Yes. Surely this will re-ignite the cold war.

I mean, sure, the US and Russia often support different teams in regional conflicts, as do the US and China and the US and other international or regional powers for that matter.

But this, THIS is the straw that will break the camelbear's back!


Look.. it's in Russia's best interest to keep Assad in power, and they will do, and have done, everything they can diplomatically to prop him up. If things escalated to the point of foreign military intervention, however, they'll yell a lot but won't.. -can't- do anything about it militarily.
Syria is worth something to Russia, but not enough for active engagement even if they were able to.. which they aren't because there's a country that's a synonym for a tasty fowl that would pose a logistical impossibility for them.
 
2012-08-02 12:37:31 PM  

Skleenar: machoprogrammer: Reagan having the CIA help rebels: Democrats scream it is bad, Republicans scream it is good.

Obama having the CIA help rebels: Republicans scream it is bad, Democrats scream it is good.

Just more of the same shiat.

I know. It's EXACTLY the same. I mean, of course, if you ignore the whole "Executive branch providing funding to the rebels in direct contravention of duly enacted legislation" thing.

but, I mean, that's at the END of the first paragraph in the wiki. No one has that long of an attention span.


I was actually referring to the whole Central and South America things that were pulled during the 80s, but nice try. Iran-Contra was bad no matter how you pull it.
 
2012-08-02 12:39:31 PM  
LewDux
Seems reliable. Especially since people behind voltairenet claim that 9/11 was inside job

They're citing articles in mainstream German publications. If du kannst Deutsch lesen here's Hackensberger's blog.
 
2012-08-02 12:43:41 PM  

someonelse: I alone am best: someonelse: I alone am best: someonelse: I alone am best: One Iran wasn't enough for the Obama administration so they are looking to make a few more.

Did you think that made sense when you typed it, or were you just hoping it did?

Do you know how Iran got to its current state?

Why don't you just skip ahead to whatever point you're trying to make?

We should just stop messing with other countries because it never works out in our favor.

The cows have long ago left the barn on that. So long ago that the cows no longer remember what it was like to live in a barn. Closing the door now accomplishes nothing.


You have to start somewhere.
 
2012-08-02 12:45:16 PM  

I alone am best: You have to start somewhere.


That's not how the world, and the US's position in it, works.
 
2012-08-02 01:01:00 PM  

penetrating_virga: EyeballKid: penetrating_virga: Obama is involving us in another civil war? Gat dammit! Where is the outrage?! If a Republican had done this there would be a sea of accusations about being a war monger, funding the war machine and how the President was personally benefiting from defense contracts. Fncking hypocrites.

And which company that Obama worked at previously as CEO is getting no-bid contracts into Syria?

I know this may come as a shock to you, but both sides aren't the same. Grab some smelling salts, and be sure to fall near the fainting couch.

This stinks of the same smell as our other military conflicts over the last decade. Fainting couch? clever Cletus, you need to wake the fnck up.


I mean, you're absolutely right. That's exactly what this stinks like... if you have literally not read or heard a single thing about Syria lately.
 
2012-08-02 01:06:53 PM  

qorkfiend: Skleenar: Happy Hours: It's just more meddling around in the affairs of a Middle Easter country.

Yes. Surely this will re-ignite the cold war.

I mean, sure, the US and Russia often support different teams in regional conflicts, as do the US and China and the US and other international or regional powers for that matter.

But this, THIS is the straw that will break the camelbear's back!

Sometimes the straw doesn't have to be too heavy. I bet if you told the Europeans in 1913 that in one year, they'd all be at each other's throats over the actions of the Serbians, they would have laughed in your face.


To be fair, the Serbians would have laughed as well.
 
2012-08-02 01:08:34 PM  

BeesNuts: penetrating_virga: EyeballKid: penetrating_virga: Obama is involving us in another civil war? Gat dammit! Where is the outrage?! If a Republican had done this there would be a sea of accusations about being a war monger, funding the war machine and how the President was personally benefiting from defense contracts. Fncking hypocrites.

And which company that Obama worked at previously as CEO is getting no-bid contracts into Syria?

I know this may come as a shock to you, but both sides aren't the same. Grab some smelling salts, and be sure to fall near the fainting couch.

This stinks of the same smell as our other military conflicts over the last decade. Fainting couch? clever Cletus, you need to wake the fnck up.

I mean, you're absolutely right. That's exactly what this stinks like... if you have literally not read or heard a single thing about Syria lately.



oh sure.. saddam hussein was a benevolent leader.. and afghanistan wasn't brewing a civil war between sunni vs shia.. ...and you believe everything CNN reports right? Especially when the last line of the report is "this story could not be verified." Your ignorance is showing.
 
2012-08-02 01:11:14 PM  

Leeds: I'll bite.

The "best way to handle this" is to have an independent investigation into the leaks, followed by public hangings of the traitors in the White House.

//State Secrets aren't State Secrets any more when they are leaked by the Reds in the White House.



Like all Republicans you are a moron with nothing of value to add to any facet of international relations.

You guys broke the world from 2000-2008.

Thanks for nothing.
 
2012-08-02 01:17:20 PM  

The Bestest: There are no "new enemies" to be made. The Assad gov't is very hostile towards Israel, which unfortunately makes them unfriendly to the US.


We have to start asking ourselves why we must be so tied to one country.

If the US became non-interventionist, any enemy of Israel would, after time, no longer become an "enemy by association" of the US. Israel isn't the 51st state of the union, why must we treat them as such?
 
2012-08-02 01:18:35 PM  

NateGrey: Leeds: I'll bite.

The "best way to handle this" is to have an independent investigation into the leaks, followed by public hangings of the traitors in the White House.

//State Secrets aren't State Secrets any more when they are leaked by the Reds in the White House.


Like all Republicans you are a moron with nothing of value to add to any facet of international relations.

You guys broke the world from 2000-2008.

Thanks for nothing.


Oh yeah... all of the world's problems started in 2000.

Pot meet kettle.
 
2012-08-02 01:22:52 PM  

Deftoons: Israel isn't the 51st state of the union, why must we treat them as such?


Because the people we elect to represent us treat them as such.
 
2012-08-02 01:23:04 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: qorkfiend: Ned Stark: TrollingForColumbine: Obama is on the wrong side of this. Syrian christians are protected by and supportive of Assad. the repubs can quickly pivot to "waring against Christians"

/watch it will happen

And you bigger right off too.

Syrian conflicts over Syrian leadership are none of your buisness. NONE. Hands off!

You bet your ass they're Israel's business, and as we all know, Israel's business is our business.

And Israel would rather have Assad. He is stable and predictable. They would have preferred Mubarak to stay as well. Better the devil you know.


Israel doesn't like Assad, who has been heavily arming Lebanon and assasinating the more moderate leaders there.

However, this one is all about Turkey. Declared or not, there is a war going on between Syra and Turkey. We're supporting our allies, the Turks. This is completely appropriate.
 
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