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2012-08-02 07:28:18 AM

shotglasss: And this is just another attempt by Obama to create a tough guy image, just in time for the election.


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"Well, I'm convinced."

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"Ditto."
 
2012-08-02 07:29:58 AM
... And now the GOP , which has been screaming that Obama is ignoring Syria will seamlessly switch to calling him a warmonger.

These people have no shame, no morals, and no common sense.
 
2012-08-02 07:40:13 AM
I'd like to know how much money this is costing us. And the end game? Getting the brotherhood in there? Or is this a pregame to Iran?

Where have all the anti-war people gone?

Money!!!!
 
2012-08-02 07:42:05 AM

keylock71: .. And now the GOP , which has been screaming that Obama is ignoring Syria will seamlessly switch to calling him a warmonger.


It's the Gingrich/Libya shuck and jive.

"We would do the opposite of Obama! What did he do today? Yes, the opposite of that. And if that changes tomorrow, we would do the opposite of whatever that is."
 
2012-08-02 07:52:12 AM
You don't win Peace Prizes by keeping the peace
 
2012-08-02 07:54:57 AM

HotWingConspiracy: keylock71: .. And now the GOP , which has been screaming that Obama is ignoring Syria will seamlessly switch to calling him a warmonger.

It's the Gingrich/Libya shuck and jive.

"We would do the opposite of Obama! What did he do today? Yes, the opposite of that. And if that changes tomorrow, we would do the opposite of whatever that is."


Heh... Obama just needs to come out against drinking bleach and we'll probably raise the collective IQ of the country in a few minutes.

"0bama doesn't want me to drink bleach!!!!! Goddamn Socialists ain't gonna tell me what to do!!!!"

*Chug*

*Thud*
 
2012-08-02 07:56:15 AM
The problem is that if you start with the assumption that Obama can't do anything right you'll never be able to understand why he makes the choices he makes.

I've said this before, Obama has a devious Syria strategy. He's been keeping us out of the limelight, so that Assad can't use our involvement to rally support. At the same time, we've had people on the ground building relationships, advising, and feeding equipment to key groups (and figuring out who's who in the opposition).

The fact that this has finally come out publicly is deliberate, and it's not for the benefit of Obama's electoral reputation. It's a sign that they think Assad is almost gone. This way, as Assad falls from power, we'll be able to remind the Syrians that the US has been helping them continuously for the past year.
 
2012-08-02 07:56:33 AM
dont-tread-on.me

Jack Ryan: I didn't sign up for this. This is someone's bullshiat political agenda. Who authorized this? Cutter?
Ritter: Cutter couldn't tie his own shoes without permission.
Jack Ryan: If I go down you're coming with me.
Ritter: Wrong again. I have an *autographed get-out-of-jail-free card*! "The President of the United States authorizes Deputy Director of the CIA Robert Ritter to conduct 'Operation Reciprocity' including all necessary funding and support. This action is deemed important to the national security of the United States etcetera, etcetera, etcetera." You don't *have* one of these, do you Jack?
[as Ryan walks away]
Ritter: Gray! The world is gray, Jack!
 
2012-08-02 08:00:07 AM

keylock71: HotWingConspiracy: keylock71: .. And now the GOP , which has been screaming that Obama is ignoring Syria will seamlessly switch to calling him a warmonger.

It's the Gingrich/Libya shuck and jive.

"We would do the opposite of Obama! What did he do today? Yes, the opposite of that. And if that changes tomorrow, we would do the opposite of whatever that is."

Heh... Obama just needs to come out against drinking bleach and we'll probably raise the collective IQ of the country in a few minutes.

"0bama doesn't want me to drink bleach!!!!! Goddamn Socialists ain't gonna tell me what to do!!!!"

*Chug*

*Thud*


Wait, let me establish a Christian bleach factory first. I want to be prepped to profit when the president suggests we boycott drinking it.
 
2012-08-02 08:05:52 AM

keylock71: ... And now the GOP , which has been screaming that Obama is ignoring Syria will seamlessly switch to calling him a warmonger.

These people have no shame, no morals, and no common sense.


And they constantly get away with it.
 
2012-08-02 08:09:52 AM

Onkel Buck: You don't win Peace Prizes by keeping the peace


What peace are you talking about? This thread is about Syria, right?
 
2012-08-02 08:12:28 AM
I love it when news gets posted here before Limbaugh has a chance to tell his listeners what to think about it.
 
2012-08-02 08:15:41 AM

Team Coors Light: cc_rider: Misleading news headline is misleading.

Eh...not really.



I am not saying that I agree or disagree with the "actions taken" to this point


ok great, I'll put you down for 'has no opinion'...super

...but who are we kidding here...the thousands of people killed there thus far make no difference to you...as long as you can FARK.

right, while all those GOPers are out there protesting against war again...jeeez give it a rest hippies freedom isn't free.
 
2012-08-02 08:19:47 AM
Gee I'm so surprised obama is looking out for people in another country. That's totally unexpected after he decided to legalize a million illegal immigrants.
 
2012-08-02 08:25:27 AM

Bob16: That's totally unexpected after he decided to legalize a million illegal immigrants.


When did that happen?
 
2012-08-02 08:26:47 AM

Skleenar: Onkel Buck: You don't win Peace Prizes by keeping the peace

What peace are you talking about? This thread is about Syria, right?


Looks peaceful and friendly to me
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2012-08-02 08:26:55 AM
I'm glad Obama is keeping us out of wars that are not in our interest, just like he promised in 2008.

Go Hopey McChange!
 
2012-08-02 08:29:37 AM
So after 30+ years of lectures about the US involving themselves in civil wars in Afghanistan, in Chile, in Nicaragua and El Salvador, in Iran, etc, etc. Now it's a good idea?

No consequences of these actions in Libya and now Syria?

Will President Malia Obama in 30 years will be giving a speach in Egypt apologizing for our past like her father did?
 
2012-08-02 08:33:02 AM

LewDux: Skleenar: Onkel Buck: You don't win Peace Prizes by keeping the peace

What peace are you talking about? This thread is about Syria, right?

Looks peaceful and friendly to me
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Who's the hottie with Balki?
 
2012-08-02 08:33:06 AM

MugzyBrown: Will President Malia Obama in 30 years will be giving a speach in Egypt apologizing for our past like her father did?


Barack Obama's father had something to do with Hosni Mubarak?
 
2012-08-02 08:33:40 AM

beta_plus: I'm glad Obama is keeping us out of wars that are not in our interest, just like he promised in 2008.

Go Hopey McChange!


your comment would make sense if Obama was putting troops in Syria for regime change.
but he's not, and I'm glad.

aid to native rebels, and tactical drone strikes are a much better way to handle our troubles in the ME than full on government take overs wouldn't you say?

go ahead guy, tell us all what Obama should be doing...
 
2012-08-02 08:34:48 AM

EyeballKid: Barack Obama's father had something to do with Hosni Mubarak?


Do you need me to diagram the sentence for you?

That would be apologizing for her father, not apologizing for our past
 
2012-08-02 08:35:12 AM
Patience, my dear conservatives.

Limbaugh will tell you what to think in just a few hours. I suggest you wait until then and get your argument together.

You're just confusing us now.
 
2012-08-02 08:35:45 AM

MugzyBrown: So after 30+ years of lectures about the US involving themselves in civil wars in Afghanistan, in Chile, in Nicaragua and El Salvador, in Iran, etc, etc. Now it's a good idea?

No consequences of these actions in Libya and now Syria?

Will President Malia Obama in 30 years will be giving a speach in Egypt apologizing for our past like her father did?


I'll put you down for, 'Do nothing about Syria'...got it.
 
2012-08-02 08:36:15 AM

unexplained bacon: your comment would make sense if Obama was putting troops in Syria for regime change.
but he's not, and I'm glad.

aid to native rebels, and tactical drone strikes are a much better way to handle our troubles in the ME than full on government take overs wouldn't you say?


So you would support the use of US drones to strike targets in China?

Why is it more acceptable to help overthrow a government if you don't use ground troops?
 
2012-08-02 08:38:26 AM

unexplained bacon: I'll put you down for, 'Do nothing about Syria'...got it.


Why should the US do something about Syria?
 
2012-08-02 08:43:13 AM

MugzyBrown: unexplained bacon: I'll put you down for, 'Do nothing about Syria'...got it.

Why should the US do something about Syria?


because we think that eventually the rebels will win and we want to be on the good side of those who take power?
we want to be able to influence their direction? to be able to put in pro-Israel pro-US people in power and lessen Iran's influence?
 
2012-08-02 08:44:56 AM

MugzyBrown: Why is it more acceptable to help overthrow a government if you don't use ground troops?


Not sure if trolling or actually retarted.
 
2012-08-02 08:45:14 AM

MugzyBrown: unexplained bacon: your comment would make sense if Obama was putting troops in Syria for regime change.
but he's not, and I'm glad.

aid to native rebels, and tactical drone strikes are a much better way to handle our troubles in the ME than full on government take overs wouldn't you say?

So you would support the use of US drones to strike targets in China?

Why is it more acceptable to help overthrow a government if you don't use ground troops?


China? settle down

So you suggest we do nothing about Syria?
seriously, I have no doubt your objections here are purely partisan but I'd like to know what you want to see happen.
 
2012-08-02 08:48:32 AM

randomjsa: Oh wait you mean they might actually win? Obama can now swoop in to offer them support so he can once again take credit for something he doesn't deserve.


It's not clear they'll win now. Do you believe it was MORE clear months ago when the order was signed? Or that American CIA assistance mad the rebels LESS likely to succeed?
 
2012-08-02 08:49:02 AM

Hobodeluxe: MugzyBrown: unexplained bacon: I'll put you down for, 'Do nothing about Syria'...got it.

Why should the US do something about Syria?

because we think that eventually the rebels will win and we want to be on the good side of those who take power?
we want to be able to influence their direction? to be able to put in pro-Israel pro-US people in power and lessen Iran's influence?


^^^this

it's silly to even explain this, these guys know this. Their objections are only because it's Obama, that's it.

clearly the GOPers around here aren't a bunch of doves, they cheered on invading and occupying Iraq just a few years ago.

Now they're pretending they have a point when they whine about how Obama is helping Syrian rebels against a regime we've been at odds with for years. they're ridiculous.
 
2012-08-02 08:49:11 AM
Non-lethal aid is just as good as lethal aid; intelligence, food/water, medicine, communications equipment - all things that are vital to any form of campaign.

In fact from a political perspective it's worth even more because we don't look like complete ass-holes (Oliver North, et al).

Obama is just the check signer in this situation. The technicians and analysts who run this show essentially just tell him what they are going to do and he just rubber stamps it.

The real story is the source of this leak.
 
2012-08-02 08:49:22 AM
Obama is involving us in another civil war? Gat dammit! Where is the outrage?! If a Republican had done this there would be a sea of accusations about being a war monger, funding the war machine and how the President was personally benefiting from defense contracts. Fncking hypocrites.
 
2012-08-02 08:51:31 AM
So you suggest we do nothing about Syria?
seriously, I have no doubt your objections here are purely partisan but I'd like to know what you want to see happen.


I'd like to see the Syrian people figure out what they want. Who are we to decide who rules their country? What if we help the rebels and the rebels are worse than Assad? I mean there's never been atrocities committed by victorious rebels before. But that's cool because there were no American soldiers in harms way.

Wyalt Derp: Not sure if trolling or actually retarted.


You're the retard who think being involved in a war is fine as long as there are no American lives at stake.

Hobodeluxe: because we think that eventually the rebels will win and we want to be on the good side of those who take power?
we want to be able to influence their direction? to be able to put in pro-Israel pro-US people in power and lessen Iran's influence?


So you want a puppet regime in Syria. That worked well in Iran and Chile.
 
2012-08-02 08:53:21 AM

penetrating_virga: Obama is involving us in another civil war? Gat dammit! Where is the outrage?! If a Republican had done this there would be a sea of accusations about being a war monger, funding the war machine and how the President was personally benefiting from defense contracts. Fncking hypocrites.


And which company that Obama worked at previously as CEO is getting no-bid contracts into Syria?

I know this may come as a shock to you, but both sides aren't the same. Grab some smelling salts, and be sure to fall near the fainting couch.
 
2012-08-02 08:55:23 AM

penetrating_virga: Obama is involving us in another civil war? Gat dammit! Where is the outrage?! If a Republican had done this there would be a sea of accusations about being a war monger, funding the war machine and how the President was personally benefiting from defense contracts. Fncking hypocrites.


well tell us, IS the president benefiting from the defense contracts? 'cause in the case of Cheney that was an actual fact. back it up or admit there's a difference.

Aid to rebels fighting Assad isn't the same thing as invading Iraq, there's a difference.
Aid to rebels and tactical strikes is the way we should be doing things and I've been saying that for years.

this invasion/country building neocon crap was idiotic and the people crying about this were all for that. I have no respect for the opinion of someone who would cheer the iraq invasion yet cry about aid to anti-assad rebels, you've all gone mad.
 
2012-08-02 08:56:42 AM

penetrating_virga: Obama is involving us in another civil war? Gat dammit! Where is the outrage?! If a Republican had done this there would be a sea of accusations about being a war monger, funding the war machine and how the President was personally benefiting from defense contracts. Fncking hypocrites.


You poor, poor Republicans.

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The silliness of your concern is no excuse for the fact that some LIBERAL might have done something hurtful in another reality. When will you ever get JUSTICE?
 
2012-08-02 08:58:07 AM

beta_plus: I'm glad Obama is keeping us out of wars that are not in our interest, just like he promised in 2008.

Go Hopey McChange!


I must have missed the involvement of American armed forces in hostile actions. When did that happen?

I support Obama, but I'd be against an open war with Syria.

Not entirely against providing the rebels TD same kind of intel tools the Russians have been supplying Assad with for years though.
 
2012-08-02 08:59:30 AM

EyeballKid: penetrating_virga: Obama is involving us in another civil war? Gat dammit! Where is the outrage?! If a Republican had done this there would be a sea of accusations about being a war monger, funding the war machine and how the President was personally benefiting from defense contracts. Fncking hypocrites.

And which company that Obama worked at previously as CEO is getting no-bid contracts into Syria?

I know this may come as a shock to you, but both sides aren't the same. Grab some smelling salts, and be sure to fall near the fainting couch.


This stinks of the same smell as our other military conflicts over the last decade. Fainting couch? clever Cletus, you need to wake the fnck up.
 
2012-08-02 08:59:32 AM
MugzyBrown:


I seriously want to know, were you in favor of invading Iraq?

I bet you were, and if so that would make your comments now look like complete partisan hackery of the highest order...and I'd be soooo surprised.
 
2012-08-02 09:00:51 AM

MugzyBrown: You're the retard who think being involved in a war is fine as long as there are no American lives at stake.


Except that's not what I said and you know it. You're rubbish at this.
 
2012-08-02 09:01:32 AM

penetrating_virga: This stinks of the same smell as our other military conflicts over the last decade. Fainting couch? clever Cletus, you need to wake the fnck up.


Like you did, I guess. And let me surmise when that happened...was it around the same time you became a deficit hawk, say, around January 2009? Total coincidence, I'm certain.
 
2012-08-02 09:02:32 AM

penetrating_virga: This stinks of the same smell as our other military conflicts over the last decade. Fainting couch? clever Cletus, you need to wake the fnck up.


I know. Except for the part about it being one of our military conflicts.

Other than that detail, ITS EXACTLY THE SAME!
 
2012-08-02 09:03:10 AM

EyeballKid: penetrating_virga: This stinks of the same smell as our other military conflicts over the last decade. Fainting couch? clever Cletus, you need to wake the fnck up.

Like you did, I guess. And let me surmise when that happened...was it around the same time you became a deficit hawk, say, around January 2009? Total coincidence, I'm certain.


Wrong dumbass.
 
2012-08-02 09:03:44 AM

penetrating_virga: EyeballKid: penetrating_virga: Obama is involving us in another civil war? Gat dammit! Where is the outrage?! If a Republican had done this there would be a sea of accusations about being a war monger, funding the war machine and how the President was personally benefiting from defense contracts. Fncking hypocrites.

And which company that Obama worked at previously as CEO is getting no-bid contracts into Syria?

I know this may come as a shock to you, but both sides aren't the same. Grab some smelling salts, and be sure to fall near the fainting couch.

This stinks of the same smell as our other military conflicts over the last decade. Fainting couch? clever Cletus, you need to wake the fnck up.



well tell us, IS the president benefiting from the defense contracts? 'cause in the case of Cheney that was an actual fact. back it up or admit there's a difference.
 
2012-08-02 09:03:45 AM

Hobodeluxe: MugzyBrown: unexplained bacon: I'll put you down for, 'Do nothing about Syria'...got it.

Why should the US do something about Syria?

because we think that eventually the rebels will win and we want to be on the good side of those who take power?
we want to be able to influence their direction? to be able to put in pro-Israel pro-US people in power and lessen Iran's influence?



We're just paying it forward.
 
2012-08-02 09:05:22 AM
I seriously want to know, were you in favor of invading Iraq?

I bet you were, and if so that would make your comments now look like complete partisan hackery of the highest order...and I'd be soooo surprised.


I was in favor of invading Iraq and now realise it was stupid. There are differences here. At least we were sold our involvement was security threat to the US via chemical weapons and possible terrorism links. That was obviously fabricated, exagerated, and/or misinterpreted, depending who you ask. I voted for Bush in '00 but not in '04.

I am willing to admit something I supported was wrong. I'm sure you're willing to admit that if McCain were in office today involving us in Lybia and Syria you'd be yelling about PNAC and such.
 
2012-08-02 09:08:17 AM

MugzyBrown: I am willing to admit something I supported was wrong. I'm sure you're willing to admit that if McCain were in office today involving us in Lybia and Syria you'd be yelling about PNAC and such.


It totally seems fair and reasonable to ask someone to admit a moral failing for doing something in an imaginary reality because you admitted to being proven incorrect in the real world.
 
2012-08-02 09:08:29 AM
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I ain't gonna tell nobody else.
 
2012-08-02 09:08:39 AM
Except that's not what I said and you know it. You're rubbish at this.

Then please explain the difference between the US putting troops on the ground with rebels to kill pro Assad forces and using a drone as CAS for rebels to kill pro Assad forces and using a spy satelite to tell rebels how to kill pro Assad forces.

They are all acts of war against pro Assad forces.
 
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