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(Huffington Post)   Finally, it's socially acceptable to admit Citizen Kane is not, in fact, the best movie ever made   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 29
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2012-08-01 11:07:56 PM
4 votes:
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2012-08-02 01:41:49 AM
3 votes:
It's Casablanca. Everybody knows it's Casablanca. No one ever says "Hey, let's watch Citizen Kane again tonight."

That list was a pretentious pile of crap. Sunrise: a Song for Two Humans? Blow me.
2012-08-02 01:56:17 AM
2 votes:
I am going with this movie...

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2012-08-02 01:45:56 AM
2 votes:

simplicimus: Ambivalence: It can't be the best, I haven't seen it.

Duh.

Mel Brooks did it better in "High Anxiety".


Faith No More did it pretty well.
2012-08-02 01:13:21 AM
2 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: Eh, Citizen Kane suffers from two things... it's been #1 for years, and it's no longer the hipster critic darling the way it was when it was first made #1, back when the film was relegated to TV airings and was still considered to be a failure because it didn't do too well at the box office upon its initial release.


It also suffers because the sublities of B&W film escapes modern viewers.
2012-08-02 12:38:04 AM
2 votes:
All Quiet On The Western Front deserves consideration somewhere.
2012-08-01 11:20:42 PM
2 votes:

Ambivalence: It can't be the best, I haven't seen it.

Duh.


Mel Brooks did it better in "High Anxiety".
2012-08-04 07:09:34 AM
1 votes:
And:

Get Carter (1971)
Scarlet Street
Monsters, Inc.
Pixar's "Up"
Fantasia
Blood Simple
Miller's Crossing
The 7th Victim

Screw it, nobody's reading this.
2012-08-02 02:28:26 PM
1 votes:
Here's 20 that aren't necessarily in any order

Seven Samurai

The Bicycle Thief

The 400 Blows

The Seventh Seal

Aguirre: The Wrath of God

Rashomon

The Third Man

2001: A Space Odyssey

Citizen Kane

The Godfather

The Magnificent Ambersons

La Grande Illusion

Metropolis

Triumph of the Will (I feel icky putting this one here but it's an extraordinarily well made propaganda film and Leni Riefenstahl is rightly lauded for her artistic and technical innovations in filming it)

Casablanca

Brazil

The Wild Bunch

Grave of the Fireflies

Wings of Desire

Solaris
2012-08-02 10:49:45 AM
1 votes:

Snapper Carr: It's not the best film ever made (I'd lean towards Rashomon or The Seven Samurai, possibly the Bicycle Thief), but certainly the most influential. Welles basically created the modern art of filmmaking with the film (largely because he had no idea how other people made films - he relied primarily on his radio and theater background to guide him)- major innovations in cinematography, effects, use of soundtrack to not only evoke a mood but also to smooth edits, the first film to use an L cut to transition between scenes, the first film to rely heavily on flashbacks and use a non-linear narrative, the use of an audience surrogate (the reporter) which was extremely rare at the time and so on.


Also the film holds up extremely well for its age since many of the techniques it uses are still used today so it comes of as a very modern film (and I still find the journey Kane takes from idealistic young reformer to wealthy, corrupt powerbroker - the very thing he spoke out so passionately against in his youth to be fascinating).

So, best film ever made? Of course not - the film is 7 decades old and filmmakers just as brilliant and inventive as he was have built on what he did. However, it is a film that anyone with any sort of interest in film should see repeatedly (preferably with Ebert's commentary) and if you can't recognize its importance then you really shouldn't be talking about movies to begin with.


A voice of reason in a thread full of nonsense.
2012-08-02 09:45:23 AM
1 votes:
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2012-08-02 08:32:54 AM
1 votes:
Any 'Best Ever' list that doesn't have Terry Gilliam represented is suspect. The Fisher King makes the mundane magical.
Imginarium of Dr Parnassus
Brazil
12 Monkeys
2012-08-02 08:13:27 AM
1 votes:

Dr.Zom: It's Casablanca. Everybody knows it's Casablanca. No one ever says "Hey, let's watch Citizen Kane again tonight."

That list was a pretentious pile of crap. Sunrise: a Song for Two Humans? Blow me.


LOVE "Casablanca," and there are many other great suggestions. "Vertigo" is a pretty great film, but I wouldn't put it in my Top 10. Of course, I wouldn't have put "Citizen Kane" in there, either.

Hell, "Vertigo" isn't even Hitchcock's best movie. ("North By Northwest," for those wondering.)

If I'm in the mood for an older movie, I'll go for any of these:

Casablanca
The Maltese Falcon
North By Northwest
The Seven Samurai
Rashomon
Dr. Strangelove
Touch Of Evil (another great movie by Welles, and I think superior to "Citizen Kane" in many ways)
The Good, The Bad & The Ugly
The African Queen -- (want to see two great actors carry a movie on their shoulders? -- this is the movie to see)
Abbot & Costello Meet Frankenstein -- (don't judge me, but this was a perfect blending of two huge movie franchises)
It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World
2012-08-02 07:27:28 AM
1 votes:
nomorepopcorn.files.wordpress.com

/that is all.
2012-08-02 06:37:07 AM
1 votes:
I tried to overcome the chronological bias of this poll by picking one film from each decade, 1910-2009. Reading this thread reminded me that people look for different things in movies--beautiful pictures, good stories, funny lines, mind-blowing sfx--and that, honestly, I myself like different things about different films. So I've come up with three lists--I've got a lot of time on my hands.

Beautiful
1915. Intolerance (Griffith)
1927 Sunrise (Murnau)
1939 The Rules of the Game (Renoir)
1945 Les Enfants du Paradis (Carne)
1958 Vertigo (Hitchcock)
1963 8 1/2 (Fellini)
1976 Nashville (Altman)
1988 The Moderns (Rudolph)-an idiosyncratic choice, I admit.
1990 Goodfellas (Scorcese)
2008 Synechdoche, New York (Kaufman)

Fun
1914 Les Vampires (Feuillade)
1924 Sherlock Jr (Keaton)
1938 Holiday (Cukor)
1942 The Palm Beach Story (Sturges)
1952 Singin' in the Rain (Kelly/Donen)
1964 Bande a Part (Godard)
1979 Manhattan (Allen)
1980 The Shining (Kubrick)
1998 The Big Lebowski (Coen)
2005 The Squid and the Whale (Baumbach)

Kickass
1919 The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (Wiene)
1928 Un chien andalou (Dali/Bunuel)
1932 The Old Dark House (Whale)
1941 Citizen Kane (Welles)
1957 Sweet Smell of Success (MacKendrick)
1968 2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick)
1972 Aguirre, The Wrath of God (Herzog)
1982 Blade Runner (Scott)
1994 Ed Wood (Burton)
2008 My Winnipeg (Madden)

...and I still had to leave out a bunch of my favorites.
2012-08-02 06:21:26 AM
1 votes:
I think this is as much a vindication of Jimmy Stewart as one of the greatest actors in history as it is
recognizing Hitchcock as a director. A lesser actor would have probably wanted to show that Scottie
Ferguson still had a core of decency and strength and portray him as a hero. Stewart realized that
the whole point Hitch was trying to make was that no matter how good and strong a person is, as a
human they are prey to their own emotions, desires and demons and that in the end they will get
you, either by making you become evil or by clouding your mind to the point where you don't see
things clearly.

I also always found an eerie parallel between this movie and PSYCHO, inasmuchas the rooming
house (The McKitrick Hotel) where Scottie finds Madeline looks an awful lot like the Bates house, and
Ellen Corby (the manager of said hotel) \would have been a great choice to play a live version of
Mrs. Bates. I'm sure the parallel is purely accidental, but it is striking to me nevertheless.
2012-08-02 05:36:05 AM
1 votes:
It might not be the 'best movie ever made', but it certainly is right up there on the list.
2012-08-02 03:07:48 AM
1 votes:

Strongbeerrules: A rich old man died.

nobody cared.


Everybody runs around trying to find the secret of his dying word. Except. No one was with him when he died. Slightly more than a minor plot flaw.
2012-08-02 02:11:38 AM
1 votes:
You can't rank art. Is there a list of the ten best paintings of all time? (Probably on some shiat stain of a blog, but it would be wrong.)

These movies are influential and still worth watching if you like cinema, but the best of all time? Have we not learned anything and refined the craft of movie making in the last 44 years to bump one off the list?
2012-08-02 01:56:59 AM
1 votes:
Kane was the prototype for a ton of modern film techniques, both camera and story telling. Flash backs, half frame shots, and dozens of other factors never done before first appeared in the film.

But I don't think it deserves the best ever spot just because it was so innovative. It earned it's spot in history for what it was at the time, but so many other movies have used the same elements so much better since. And, quite frankly, it hasn't aged that well. As someone mentioned above, the dialogue deliveries were kind of weird back then, very much reminiscent of stage acting where they were being intentionally obvious with their voices and faces to play to the cheap seats.
2012-08-02 01:56:07 AM
1 votes:
Still the most groundbreaking.
2012-08-02 01:46:36 AM
1 votes:

Dr.Zom: It's Casablanca. Everybody knows it's Casablanca. No one ever says "Hey, let's watch Citizen Kane again tonight."

That list was a pretentious pile of crap. Sunrise: a Song for Two Humans? Blow me.


Casablanca is just insanely great. A bunch of contract actors and a B level script turned out to be so much more.
2012-08-02 01:43:29 AM
1 votes:

Solid Muldoon: The Maltese Falcon


No Star Wars sequels belong in the list, please.
2012-08-02 01:42:35 AM
1 votes:

underwhere: Why did the writer of that article go out of his way to post the spoiler about Rosebud?


Rosebud was calling from inside the house.
2012-08-02 01:35:32 AM
1 votes:
Why did the writer of that article go out of his way to post the spoiler about Rosebud?
2012-08-02 01:34:45 AM
1 votes:
After all these years I feel vindicated in my love of Vertigo!

/Citizen Kane is the greatest film in history
//Rear Window is also an excellent film
2012-08-02 01:08:12 AM
1 votes:
Eh, Citizen Kane suffers from two things... it's been #1 for years, and it's no longer the hipster critic darling the way it was when it was first made #1, back when the film was relegated to TV airings and was still considered to be a failure because it didn't do too well at the box office upon its initial release.
2012-08-01 11:37:18 PM
1 votes:

ourbigdumbmouth: No film past 1968 is in the top 10.

I guess these guys never heard of a little movie called The Empire Strikes Back?

Hogwash.


Ah, C'mon. It's not that great a film. I'd put "Dr. Strangelove" above it.
2012-08-01 11:32:50 PM
1 votes:
No film past 1968 is in the top 10.

I guess these guys never heard of a little movie called The Empire Strikes Back?

Hogwash.
 
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