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2012-08-02 11:13:25 AM

Lord Dimwit: /// Barton Fink was better than Miller's Crossing


I'm a huge Coen Brothers fan, but I hated Barton Fink. If any of their other films rates above Miller's Crossing it's The MAn Who Wasn't There
 
2012-08-02 11:14:26 AM

Crewmannumber6: LOOOOOOVED The Guard! It's easy to see the writer/director is the writer/director of In Bruges (that must have been some house growing up).Haven't see The Good The Bad and The Weird but must check it out.


I'll check out The Guard then. If you're interested, the director also did a really good short film called Six Shooter that is well worth seeing.
 
2012-08-02 11:15:17 AM
Came for Ricky Bobby reference. Leaving satisfied.

/I'm a simpleton.
 
2012-08-02 11:17:36 AM

phyrkrakr: The Lion in Winter


Words cannot express how much I love that film - objectively I have to admit that there are many better films but Lion in Winter is probably my personal favorite film.

"My life, when it is written, will read better than it lived. Henry Fitz-Empress, first Plantagenet, a king at twenty-one, the ablest soldier of an able time. He led men well, he cared for justice when he could and ruled, for thirty years, a state as great as Charlemagne's. He married out of love, a woman out of legend. Not in Alexandria, or Rome, or Camelot has there been such a queen. She bore him many children. But no sons. King Henry had no sons. He had three whiskered things but he disowned them "


"He's here. He'll get no satisfaction out of me. He isn't going to see me beg. "

"My you chivalric fool... as if the way one fell down mattered. "

"When the fall is all there is, it matters."
 
2012-08-02 11:18:02 AM
List fails without AssBlasters 15

The way the camera zooms to the freshly farked fart box in the second scene is what cinema is all about!
 
2012-08-02 11:18:42 AM

Crewmannumber6: phyrkrakr: And somebody upthread mentioned Katharine Hepburn in The African Queen, but her best role by far is as Eleanor in The Lion in Winter - another incredible film.

And it had Richard Harris in it, too


Are you farking with me? Peter O'Toole is not Richard Harris. Peter O'Toole pisses from great heights on Richard Harris, who stands meekly at the foothills of his greatness, with Ollie Reed and Richard Burton. They were all great, but O'Toole was the best of them.

Oh, and Anthony Hopkins and a very young Timothy Dalton were in The Lion in Winter, too.

As far as Richard Harris, I finally watched The Wild Geese the other day. Richard Burton, Richard Harris, and Roger Moore are all mercenaries going down to Africa to rescue some guy. SPOILERS FOR A THIRTY YEAR OLD MOVIE When they get screwed by their boss, Harris tries to talk the other two into a revolution. Mrs. Phyrkrakr leans over and says "King Arthur, James Bond, and Julius Ceasar conquer Africa" and I about died.
 
2012-08-02 11:20:52 AM

mikemoto: I finally saw Vertigo a few months back and not only would I not place it number one, I wouldn't even say it'shiatchcock's best. North by Northwest and Psycho are far superior movies.


They are at least more-imitated. North by Northwest is the prototype action-hero movie and Psycho spawned the slasher genre.
 
2012-08-02 11:21:23 AM
Only 10 does no justice, but these are the top 10 RIGHT now, though 1-5 will always be the list

Amadeus- Just amazing, all natural lighting, and when the orchestra is playing the instrumentation matches what is heard.

Brazil- 1984 thorough a comedic lens, and assuming you watch the directors cut, just as terrifying.

Robocop- IMO the perfect mix of action, comedy, and satire. Frighting how accurate it's predictions were.

Millers Crossing- Everything just works, and Gabriel Byrne is wonderful, all the actors play off each other perfectly.

Seven Samurai- The angles, the message, the acting. It's just amazing. To me the movie feels like it's trying to boil over, but manages to contain its self.

and the others that shift in and out

Castle of Cagliostro (favorite Miyazaki film)
Princess Mononoke
The Adventures of Baron Munchasen
Fantasia
Dawn of the Dead (original of course)
 
2012-08-02 11:23:35 AM

phyrkrakr: Crewmannumber6: phyrkrakr: And somebody upthread mentioned Katharine Hepburn in The African Queen, but her best role by far is as Eleanor in The Lion in Winter - another incredible film.

And it had Richard Harris in it, too

Are you farking with me? Peter O'Toole is not Richard Harris. Peter O'Toole pisses from great heights on Richard Harris, who stands meekly at the foothills of his greatness, with Ollie Reed and Richard Burton. They were all great, but O'Toole was the best of them.

Oh, and Anthony Hopkins and a very young Timothy Dalton were in The Lion in Winter, too.

As far as Richard Harris, I finally watched The Wild Geese the other day. Richard Burton, Richard Harris, and Roger Moore are all mercenaries going down to Africa to rescue some guy. SPOILERS FOR A THIRTY YEAR OLD MOVIE When they get screwed by their boss, Harris tries to talk the other two into a revolution. Mrs. Phyrkrakr leans over and says "King Arthur, James Bond, and Julius Ceasar conquer Africa" and I about died.


My bad, sorry
 
2012-08-02 11:24:26 AM

Crewmannumber6: Lord Dimwit: /// Barton Fink was better than Miller's Crossing

I'm a huge Coen Brothers fan, but I hated Barton Fink. If any of their other films rates above Miller's Crossing it's The MAn Who Wasn't There


The Man Who Wasn't There was by far my least favorite Coen Brothers film.

Funny story, though - the first time we watched that film (TMWWT), it was at a friend's house who had his VCR routed through his X-box and from there to his TV. That was enough to have the signal issues caused by Macrovision copy protection. These issues cause the image to fade in and out at regular intervals (about ten seconds from almost invisible to normal brightness). None of us had ever seen Macrovision kick in before, so we just thought it was something wrong with the tape or something.

SPOILER ALERT

Anyway, at the end when he goes to the electric chair, we're all like "whoa, the picture is doing that because it's like it's his point of view while he was dying in the chair! That's so avant garde (we were 19).

Later we read about Macrovision and realized we were just idiots.
 
2012-08-02 11:28:46 AM

Lord Dimwit: Crewmannumber6: Lord Dimwit: /// Barton Fink was better than Miller's Crossing

I'm a huge Coen Brothers fan, but I hated Barton Fink. If any of their other films rates above Miller's Crossing it's The MAn Who Wasn't There

The Man Who Wasn't There was by far my least favorite Coen Brothers film.

Funny story, though - the first time we watched that film (TMWWT), it was at a friend's house who had his VCR routed through his X-box and from there to his TV. That was enough to have the signal issues caused by Macrovision copy protection. These issues cause the image to fade in and out at regular intervals (about ten seconds from almost invisible to normal brightness). None of us had ever seen Macrovision kick in before, so we just thought it was something wrong with the tape or something.

SPOILER ALERT

Anyway, at the end when he goes to the electric chair, we're all like "whoa, the picture is doing that because it's like it's his point of view while he was dying in the chair! That's so avant garde (we were 19).

Later we read about Macrovision and realized we were just idiots.


That may be the best ending to the worst story I ever heard
 
2012-08-02 11:29:54 AM
simplicimus
It also suffers because the sublities of B&W film escapes modern viewers.

It didn't have sublities. It was filmed in English.
 
2012-08-02 11:36:27 AM
blog.truffleshuffle.co.uk

End of discussion.
 
2012-08-02 11:39:25 AM
The thing with Citizen Kane is that people oft forget that it really standardized much of the modern movie format. That is why it was so renowned. It's really hard to appreciate that in hindsight when it has become the standard.



/Also, The Guard is a friggin' fantastic movie and one of the most entertaining I have seen in years.
 
2012-08-02 11:39:27 AM

SharkTrager: GentlemanJ: Seems clear to me that it's "The Godfather."

Two is better.


Two is more than one.
 
2012-08-02 11:40:09 AM

Snapper Carr: phyrkrakr: The Lion in Winter

Words cannot express how much I love that film - objectively I have to admit that there are many better films but Lion in Winter is probably my personal favorite film.

"My life, when it is written, will read better than it lived. Henry Fitz-Empress, first Plantagenet, a king at twenty-one, the ablest soldier of an able time. He led men well, he cared for justice when he could and ruled, for thirty years, a state as great as Charlemagne's. He married out of love, a woman out of legend. Not in Alexandria, or Rome, or Camelot has there been such a queen. She bore him many children. But no sons. King Henry had no sons. He had three whiskered things but he disowned them "


"He's here. He'll get no satisfaction out of me. He isn't going to see me beg. "

"My you chivalric fool... as if the way one fell down mattered. "

"When the fall is all there is, it matters."


My personal favorite: Eleanor [to her earrings] "I'd hang you from the nipples, but you'd shock the children."
 
2012-08-02 11:40:53 AM
Yay top # list thread! It's just like IMDB!
Here's my Top 22, in no particular order

Last Life in the Universe
Key Largo
The French Lieutenant's Woman
Goodfellas
Blade Runner
The Conversation
Apocalypse Now
Amadeus
Unforgiven
The Remains of the Day
Paper Moon
The Lion in Winter
City of God
Lost in Translation
Dr. Strangelove
Little Miss Sunshine
Citizen Kane
Annie Hall
The Best Years of Our lives
Bridge on the River Kwai
All About Eve
It Happened One Night
 
2012-08-02 11:42:03 AM

Palooka_Joe: If it weren't for the last scene, I'd consider this film for consideration.



Is that like suggesting this film for suggestion?

Or recommending this film for recommendation?

My list has The Shawshank Redemption, The Godfather, Dangerous Lisasons, Aliens, Inception, It's a Wonderful Life, Braveheart, American Beauty, the Avengers, the Lord Of The Rings trilogy and the Wizard of Oz.
 
2012-08-02 11:43:19 AM
The Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind was tremendous too.
 
2012-08-02 11:46:14 AM

someonelse: Snapper Carr: phyrkrakr: The Lion in Winter

Words cannot express how much I love that film - objectively I have to admit that there are many better films but Lion in Winter is probably my personal favorite film.

"My life, when it is written, will read better than it lived. Henry Fitz-Empress, first Plantagenet, a king at twenty-one, the ablest soldier of an able time. He led men well, he cared for justice when he could and ruled, for thirty years, a state as great as Charlemagne's. He married out of love, a woman out of legend. Not in Alexandria, or Rome, or Camelot has there been such a queen. She bore him many children. But no sons. King Henry had no sons. He had three whiskered things but he disowned them "


"He's here. He'll get no satisfaction out of me. He isn't going to see me beg. "

"My you chivalric fool... as if the way one fell down mattered. "

"When the fall is all there is, it matters."

My personal favorite: Eleanor [to her earrings] "I'd hang you from the nipples, but you'd shock the children."


"I dressed my maids as Amazons and rode bare-breasted halfway to Damascus. Louis had a seizure and I damn near died of windburn...

...but the troops...were dazzled."

Something something "pork in the treetops before breakfast"

That movie is just incredibly quotable.
 
2012-08-02 11:47:45 AM

Freakin Rican: dude i was only kidding.


Yeah, I know, but Alien3 is one of a handful of films that I personally think is much better than its reputation. Another is Red Dawn, it's a much more balanced film than people give it credit for, and it's subtly anti-war. but that's a whole 'nother story.
 
2012-08-02 11:48:06 AM
Off the list, great movies I can rewatch NOW all the way through:

Seven Samurai
Searchers (though there was a time when I'd always fall asleep during it)
2001
L'Atalante
Metropolis
The General
Rules of the Game
Rashomon
Godfather
Rashomon
City Lights
Algiers
Apocalypse Now
Passion of Joan of Arc

Great films with at least that one damn part I can't....

Bicycle Thieves
8 1/2
Breathless
Kane
Persona
Some Like it Hot
Psycho
La Jetee
Pierrot (Spoiler: that boat scene near the end)
Taxi Driver
Singin' in the Rain

Okay to Great films watched all the way through that it might be better to not watch again:
Ugetsu
Mulholland
Sunrise
Ordet
Stalker
Au Hasard Balthazar
Andrei Rublev

Needs a rewatch for me to make up my mind:
Late Spring
Vertigo

Quite the drag, isn't it:
La Dolce Vita
Gertrud
400 Blows
Play Time
Man with a Movie Camera

"Forget it, I'm done," within the first 20 minutes:

Le Mepris
The Mirror
L'Avventura
Godfather Part II

Not seen those unnamed above.
 
2012-08-02 11:51:53 AM
There's a hell of a lot of hipster in this thread. As far as this:

Finally, it's socially acceptable to admit Citizen Kane is not, in fact, the best movie ever made

Good. I'm glad to see Ebony Ass Sluts VIII finally get its due.
 
2012-08-02 11:54:08 AM
Oops, forgot to add Potemkin to the second list and Tokyo Story to "Needs a rewatch."
 
2012-08-02 12:24:39 PM

dittybopper: Another is Red Dawn, it's a much more balanced film than people give it credit for, and it's subtly anti-war. but that's a whole 'nother story.


The closing monologue, about how Leah Thompson is the only person who still visits the monument to
the dead freedom fighters all those years later does have to rank as one of the most authentically
poignant moments in modern film, and makes it point very well.

I'd forgotten it until you mentioned it.
 
2012-08-02 12:25:43 PM
The Grapes of Wrath. Book it done.

Is there a book or movie about The Grapes of Wrath II: 1 Percenter Boogaloo?

I would love to see a movie about house after suburban house left abandoned with personal property like family photos, clothes, food just left behind. And their former residents living in tents in the middle of cities.

But, just like The Grapes of Wrath, that stuff never really happened. And it's all water under the bridge.
 
2012-08-02 12:48:17 PM
The cultural importance of Deep Throat far outweighs anything in Vertigo or Citizen Kane.
 
2012-08-02 12:57:52 PM
Who ever considered CK to be the "greatest film ever produced?" The cinematography was revolutionary, but greatest film? Hell naw.
 
2012-08-02 12:58:32 PM
List is heavy on the angst-ridden trophy bait stuff, and light on everything else.

As usual.
 
2012-08-02 01:03:25 PM
Godfather 1 and II
Goodfellas
Boogie Nights
La Confidential
Night of the Hunter
All the Presidents Men
Annie Hall
Lawrence of Arabia
Taxi Driver
 
2012-08-02 01:51:23 PM
What a real sled looks like:

img23.imageshack.us
 
2012-08-02 02:03:26 PM
To me, Dark Knight is the most perfect movie.
The music, the acting, the pacing, the FX, the camera shots, etc.
It may not be the best ever made, but it's darn near perfect to me.
Also, Raiders. Everything just comes together perfectly.

Of course, I also like Sucker Punch, so don't feel you have to tell me my taste is bad. I know it is.
 
2012-08-02 02:07:50 PM
I just finished Hellraiser: Bloodline and, hear me out, I'm fairly certain that is the greatest film ever made.
 
2012-08-02 02:18:36 PM

alowishus: I'm sure no one cares, but here are 10 of my favorite films

Seven Samurai (1954)
The Exterminating Angel (1962)
Dr. Strangelove (1964)
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
Eraserhead (1977)
Fanny and Alexander (1982)
Brazil (1985)
Goodfellas (1990)
Waiting For Guffman (1996)
There Will Be Blood (2007)

This list would probably be different if I made it a few weeks from now. 2001, Eraserhead, and Fanny and Alexander are the only ones solidly top ten material.


I care man, but only because you included Fanny and Alexander. Discovered this movie about 5 years ago. And since then the wife and I watch it each year around Christmas. It obviously not a cheery Christmas movie, but it is great to build a fire and have a nice wine while watching. I actually look forward to it every year. It's a great movie.
 
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2012-08-02 02:25:45 PM

Crewmannumber6: Lord Dimwit: /// Barton Fink was better than Miller's Crossing

I'm a huge Coen Brothers fan, but I hated Barton Fink. If any of their other films rates above Miller's Crossing it's The MAn Who Wasn't There


I love Miller's Crossing, but isn't it just a remake of a Kurosawa film?
 
2012-08-02 02:28:26 PM
Here's 20 that aren't necessarily in any order

Seven Samurai

The Bicycle Thief

The 400 Blows

The Seventh Seal

Aguirre: The Wrath of God

Rashomon

The Third Man

2001: A Space Odyssey

Citizen Kane

The Godfather

The Magnificent Ambersons

La Grande Illusion

Metropolis

Triumph of the Will (I feel icky putting this one here but it's an extraordinarily well made propaganda film and Leni Riefenstahl is rightly lauded for her artistic and technical innovations in filming it)

Casablanca

Brazil

The Wild Bunch

Grave of the Fireflies

Wings of Desire

Solaris
 
2012-08-02 02:40:44 PM

simplicimus: Dr.Zom: It's Casablanca. Everybody knows it's Casablanca. No one ever says "Hey, let's watch Citizen Kane again tonight."

That list was a pretentious pile of crap. Sunrise: a Song for Two Humans? Blow me.

Casablanca is just insanely great. A bunch of contract actors and a B level script turned out to be so much more.


This.
 
2012-08-02 02:41:30 PM

zez: Crewmannumber6: Lord Dimwit: /// Barton Fink was better than Miller's Crossing

I'm a huge Coen Brothers fan, but I hated Barton Fink. If any of their other films rates above Miller's Crossing it's The MAn Who Wasn't There

I love Miller's Crossing, but isn't it just a remake of a Kurosawa film?


Is it? I wouldn't know.
 
2012-08-02 02:46:00 PM

Crewmannumber6: zez: Crewmannumber6: Lord Dimwit: /// Barton Fink was better than Miller's Crossing

I'm a huge Coen Brothers fan, but I hated Barton Fink. If any of their other films rates above Miller's Crossing it's The MAn Who Wasn't There

I love Miller's Crossing, but isn't it just a remake of a Kurosawa film?

Is it? I wouldn't know.



No, it's extremely loosely based on Dashiel Hammet's Red Harvest (which was the basis for Yojimbo) and The Glass Key (which inspired The Big Sleep)
 
2012-08-02 02:55:10 PM
That was a weird list.

A good number of them were obligatory museum pieces. Clearly the meaning of "Great" != "Good", but rather, historically significant.

Can you imagine subjecting your friends to Man with a Movie Camera on movie night? They would never let you pick the movie again. The only people who ever see that film are students in a film history class.
 
2012-08-02 03:42:45 PM
Vertigo is definitely one of my favorite movies and I never really cared for Citizen Kane all that much, so this makes me happy. Strangers On a Train is probably my second favorite Hitchcock movie... But wait, Rear Window is really good... And am I the only one that liked The Birds, cheesy as it could be sometimes?

And someone mentioned Brick above... I also cannot suggest watching that movie enough. Like, tonight. It has such great, snappy dialogue and is really fun to watch.


Yay movies.
 
2012-08-02 03:50:54 PM

arghyematey: Vertigo is definitely one of my favorite movies and I never really cared for Citizen Kane all that much, so this makes me happy. Strangers On a Train is probably my second favorite Hitchcock movie... But wait, Rear Window is really good... And am I the only one that liked The Birds, cheesy as it could be sometimes?

And someone mentioned Brick above... I also cannot suggest watching that movie enough. Like, tonight. It has such great, snappy dialogue and is really fun to watch.


Yay movies.


There is soo much to love in that post. 10/10
 
2012-08-02 04:20:42 PM

DjangoStonereaver: dittybopper: Another is Red Dawn, it's a much more balanced film than people give it credit for, and it's subtly anti-war. but that's a whole 'nother story.

The closing monologue, about how Leah Thompson is the only person who still visits the monument to
the dead freedom fighters all those years later does have to rank as one of the most authentically
poignant moments in modern film, and makes it point very well.

I'd forgotten it until you mentioned it.


Yeah, but it was a tacked-on ending. Watch it without it next time, and you'll see what I mean about the film being, well, ambiguous.
 
2012-08-02 05:09:23 PM
Citizen Kane was revolutionary for its time I guess, but it's nowhere near as well directed, written and acted as Manos: The Hands of Fate.
 
2012-08-02 05:14:32 PM

El Freak: Citizen Kane was revolutionary for its time I guess, but it's nowhere near as well directed, written and acted as Manos: The Hands of Fate.


Well, Manos is the benchmark for films made for $1,000 or less.
 
2012-08-02 05:26:55 PM

Freakin Rican: dittybopper: Freakin Rican: i would think alien 3 & 4 would be the best movies ever

followed by AVP

Alien3 gets a lot of shiat that it doesn't deserve. It's a perfect capstone to the Ripley v. Xenomorph trilogy. It's actually quite a good film. People just don't like it because everyone of "worth" (Newt, Corporal Hicks, Dillon, and Ripley herself) dies. Hey, sometimes bad things happen to good people, or to people who don't deserve it. I think it rounds out that story arc quite nicely, and in keeping with the generally dark tone of the series.

Alien Resurrection, on the other hand, ain't that good. It's OK-ish, sort of, in a popcorn movie sort of way. AvP1 just sucked despite some decent ideas. AvP2 was better, but still seriously lacking.

dude i was only kidding.


Baryogenesis: loooongview1: Anybody that actually thinks they can rank the worthiness of one piece of art to another is full of shiat. But these sorts of things are fun.

Let's just progress to the end point: ranking all things.


#1 Arguing on the internet
#2 Boobs

#1 Boobs
#2 Arguing on Fark


I notice you corrected the list, but didn't post any boobs. The original ranking stands!
 
2012-08-02 05:41:29 PM

simplicimus: El Freak: Citizen Kane was revolutionary for its time I guess, but it's nowhere near as well directed, written and acted as Manos: The Hands of Fate.

Well, Manos is the benchmark for films made for $1,000 or less.


I know you're trolling, but I am still of the opinion that had it been made by an actual film maker, MANOS could have
been a very effective and creepy horror film. The ending, for all its inept execution, is still shocking even in this
day of over the top torture porn.

Still: it is the CITIZEN KANE of vanity productions by a Texas fertilizer salesman.
 
2012-08-02 05:42:10 PM

LonMead: Dr.Zom: Teufelaffe: underwhere: Why did the writer of that article go out of his way to post the spoiler about Rosebud?

Rosebud was calling from inside the house.

Rosebud killed Dumbledore.

Rosebud is actually Keyser Soze.


No, your mixing it up.
Kevin Spacey's character cuts off Rosebud's head and sends it to the detectives in a box.
 
2012-08-02 05:48:59 PM

DjangoStonereaver: simplicimus: El Freak: Citizen Kane was revolutionary for its time I guess, but it's nowhere near as well directed, written and acted as Manos: The Hands of Fate.

Well, Manos is the benchmark for films made for $1,000 or less.

I know you're trolling, but I am still of the opinion that had it been made by an actual film maker, MANOS could have
been a very effective and creepy horror film. The ending, for all its inept execution, is still shocking even in this
day of over the top torture porn.

Still: it is the CITIZEN KANE of vanity productions by a Texas fertilizer salesman.


The only things holding Manos back are plotting, acting, dialogue and continuity.
 
2012-08-02 06:10:48 PM

simplicimus: DjangoStonereaver: simplicimus: El Freak: Citizen Kane was revolutionary for its time I guess, but it's nowhere near as well directed, written and acted as Manos: The Hands of Fate.

Well, Manos is the benchmark for films made for $1,000 or less.

I know you're trolling, but I am still of the opinion that had it been made by an actual film maker, MANOS could have
been a very effective and creepy horror film. The ending, for all its inept execution, is still shocking even in this
day of over the top torture porn.

Still: it is the CITIZEN KANE of vanity productions by a Texas fertilizer salesman.

The only things holding Manos back are plotting, acting, dialogue and continuity.


Well, yeah.

But apart from those things... GENIUS!!!!!

/THe mAsTeR WOulD NoT ApPROve
 
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