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2012-08-02 10:07:19 AM

robertus: Pocket Ninja: My feelings for this show have evolved from being really excited about it and counting the days until it premiered, to being entertained by it but mildly annoyed by its faults, to being mostly irritated by it but willing to give it one more viewing in the hopes that it would redeem itself, to hating every single person involved in it.

I feel the same way about Animal Practice.


Also, if I see one more cheesy Olympic-themed ad for The New Normal, I'm going to start feeling the same way about that show too.
 
2012-08-02 10:12:44 AM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: There were other writing staff? I figured Sorkin was doing a JMS and writing them all himself.

On the other hand, I've got a number of non-American friends who really like Newsroom. So, eh.


He usually does. There was a "writing staff" credited on the West Wing, but they really just acted as technical advisors and Sorkin wrote and took credit for all the episodes himself.

Which made it all the more surprising to see a co-writer credited on one of the last couple Newsroom episodes.
 
2012-08-02 10:16:09 AM
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The Newsroom is awesome. It's funny, entertaining, and it takes on a subject matter that was long overdue.

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2012-08-02 10:17:01 AM
I have an off topic question - what the hell ever happened to Stephen Botchco? Nuvo has been running Hill Street Blues and NYPD Blue back to back and, remembering how brilliant they were, why doesn't he have a show right now?
 
2012-08-02 10:18:18 AM
My biggest gripe with Sorkin is that he just keeps preaching to the choir, over and over again. He makes no attempt to balance his views, or even provide any intelligent opposing discourse, which makes it impossible for anyone who isn't of a like mind politically to enjoy his shows at all. Given his lack of effort to, you know, actually try and change the viewpoints of folks he disagrees with (or, God forbid, change his own opinion) , he's perfectly content to engage in what amounts to jacking off in front of a mirror.
 
2012-08-02 10:28:33 AM
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At least Jeff Daniels has another career to fall back on.
 
2012-08-02 10:28:47 AM

rynthetyn: thornhill: The fundamental problem with the show is that the overarching story line is just Sorkin's commentary on recent news events, which is neither original nor insightful (he gives us the same commentary Jon Stewart and others gave us over a year ago, but without any of the wit). When you take that away, all that remains is a perfunctory TV workplace drama with stock characters and plots.

Add to that the fact that he's doing stories that are one or two years old and it feels like an Old News Is SO Exciting! rehashing. It seems like he's writing the history of the last few years as he would have liked it to happen, or at least how he'd have liked the media to report on that history.


Not to mention the timeline they're on.

They're already at April, 2011. I know HBO has already renewed them for a second season but at some point they're going to either catch up with current events or run out of "old news".

I feel like they wrote themselves in to a corner with that.
 
2012-08-02 10:33:48 AM

LandOfChocolate: rynthetyn: thornhill: The fundamental problem with the show is that the overarching story line is just Sorkin's commentary on recent news events, which is neither original nor insightful (he gives us the same commentary Jon Stewart and others gave us over a year ago, but without any of the wit). When you take that away, all that remains is a perfunctory TV workplace drama with stock characters and plots.

Add to that the fact that he's doing stories that are one or two years old and it feels like an Old News Is SO Exciting! rehashing. It seems like he's writing the history of the last few years as he would have liked it to happen, or at least how he'd have liked the media to report on that history.

Not to mention the timeline they're on.

They're already at April, 2011. I know HBO has already renewed them for a second season but at some point they're going to either catch up with current events or run out of "old news".

I feel like they wrote themselves in to a corner with that.


If they stay on long enough, it will have to turn into M*A*S*H, and they'll delve more into the personal lives of the characters. Very few of them seem to have much depth, though.
 
2012-08-02 10:34:12 AM
If you've ever worked with a bunch of self-important, unlikable, neurotic douchbags your thirst for watching this show has already been sated.
 
2012-08-02 10:35:13 AM

Crewmannumber6: I have an off topic question - what the hell ever happened to Stephen Botchco? Nuvo has been running Hill Street Blues and NYPD Blue back to back and, remembering how brilliant they were, why doesn't he have a show right now?


See wikipedia

After a series of flops on network TV:

According to an interview with Bochco published in September 2007, he is now winding down his involvement with network television, feeling that his tastes and current fashions in TV drama no longer coincide.[3] "The network executives stay the same age and I keep getting older and it creates a different kind of relationship. When I was doing my stuff at NBC with Brandon (Tartikoff) and Hill Street, we were contemporaries," says Bochco.[9] "When I sit down (now), they're sitting in a room with someone who's old enough to be their father and I'm not sure they want to sit in a room with their fathers."[9]

In 2008 Bochco argued that the new home for quality prime time drama is cable, where "the atmosphere is far friendlier and the creative environment more conducive to doing original work", and that "most of what's passing for primetime drama these days isn't very good.
 
2012-08-02 10:37:04 AM
It's comforting to know I can always turn to a Sorkin drama to reinforce Male-dominated workplace stereotypes.
 
2012-08-02 10:38:36 AM
West Wing 2: Obama Boogaloo
 
2012-08-02 10:40:15 AM
If they are filing for unemployment then they probably weren't fired.
 
2012-08-02 10:42:05 AM

LandOfChocolate: Crewmannumber6: I have an off topic question - what the hell ever happened to Stephen Botchco? Nuvo has been running Hill Street Blues and NYPD Blue back to back and, remembering how brilliant they were, why doesn't he have a show right now?

See wikipedia

After a series of flops on network TV...
In 2008 Bochco argued that the new home for quality prime time drama is cable, where "the atmosphere is far friendlier and the creative environment more conducive to doing original work", and that "most of what's passing for primetime drama these days isn't very good.


A quick news search says he's working with TNT on a series.
 
2012-08-02 10:43:33 AM

Lost Thought 00: It's comforting to know I can always turn to a Sorkin drama to reinforce Male-dominated workplace stereotypes.


Nancy McNally and fake Flotus think you should put down the pipe
 
2012-08-02 10:48:11 AM

PYROY


If they are filing for unemployment then they probably weren't fired.


How did you arrive at that conclusion?

Generally people who quit are not eligible for unemployment. People who are terminated/laid off/let go/fired (not for cause) are eligible.
 
2012-08-02 10:48:56 AM
I kind of like the show, but I have never watched his other stuff so recycled plots are new to me.
 
2012-08-02 10:49:37 AM

drewogatory: My biggest gripe with Sorkin is that he just keeps preaching to the choir, over and over again. He makes no attempt to balance his views, or even provide any intelligent opposing discourse, which makes it impossible for anyone who isn't of a like mind politically to enjoy his shows at all. Given his lack of effort to, you know, actually try and change the viewpoints of folks he disagrees with (or, God forbid, change his own opinion) , he's perfectly content to engage in what amounts to jacking off in front of a mirror.


That's pretty much why I'm okay with the show. Sure, it's a handjob for liberal viewpoints but it's not like there's a line of people who want to take a pull.
 
2012-08-02 11:04:37 AM

Lost Thought 00: It's comforting to know I can always turn to a Sorkin drama to reinforce Male-dominated workplace stereotypes.


You know, if you're going to troll, at least TRY to make your trolls somehow related to the topic at hand.
 
2012-08-02 11:08:44 AM

LandOfChocolate: Not to mention the timeline they're on.

They're already at April, 2011. I know HBO has already renewed them for a second season but at some point they're going to either catch up with current events or run out of "old news".

I feel like they wrote themselves in to a corner with that


I imagine they will have all next season covering this years election. Imagine reliving the political sillyness that is the presidential campaigns just when you get over the political hangover.... not going to fly.
 
2012-08-02 11:09:39 AM

RexTalionis: Hey, didn't Matt Albie on Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip also fire a bunch of the writing staff when he took over as head writer?


And they all quit on Will Bailey in West Wing. I'm sensing a theme.
 
2012-08-02 11:20:59 AM

soporific: That's why it didn't last more than a season because 30 Rock showed them that if your setting is a comedy show, it needs to be a comedy.


And also, it needs to not be just terrible in every way.
 
2012-08-02 11:21:10 AM
I got caught up in Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip mostly because of the interaction of Matthew Perry and Bradley Whitford's characters. The "Big Three" on there weren't believable and looking back I have to agree that the show within the show wasn't believable as an SNL type show.

It could've worked given enough time I believe. I hope the people in charge give Newsroom time enough to get its legs under it.

/haven't watched Newsroom.
 
2012-08-02 11:28:05 AM
Yet another reminder that West Wing really needs to be on Netflix Instant....
 
2012-08-02 11:31:27 AM
Given that the last two episodes have been the best of the series so far... Good riddance?
 
2012-08-02 11:35:09 AM
This show went from "Woot!" to "Meh" in about three episodes.
 
2012-08-02 11:36:22 AM

Ashtrey: I kind of like the show, but I have never watched his other stuff so recycled plots are new to me.


Same here. I happily agree with everyone's complaints, but those complaints aren't necessarily dealbreakers for me.
 
2012-08-02 11:38:09 AM

chocolate covered poop: I watched 2 episodes and called it quits. For me it was the use of pretty unrealistic coincidences to further the plot ie

*spoilerish*

BP oil spil: "Oh snap, my big sister is an engineer at BP and my brah from college is totally like an exective VP at Halliburton, lemme just text em and I'll totes get all the juicy info"

some shiat with AZ governor: "I forgot to tell you the governor's PR person was a guy who I was hooking up with in college and then he farked his ex girlfriend while I hid under the bed, oops, I blew it, now you have to interview some tea bag shiatheads"

How small is the newsroom world, its like everyone has a personal history with everyone


And here is our Economic reporter who just so happens to be fluent in Japanese covering a Japanese reactor issue! The luck we have!
 
2012-08-02 11:48:00 AM

thornhill: The fundamental problem with the show is that the overarching story line is just Sorkin's commentary on recent news events, which is neither original nor insightful (he gives us the same commentary Jon Stewart and others gave us over a year ago, but without any of the wit). When you take that away, all that remains is a perfunctory TV workplace drama with stock characters and plots.


Thanks for that tidbit. I had been thinking about checking it out based on good things I've heard.

But I been led to believe this show was a dramatic fake news counterpart to what comedy central does with TDS and Colbert.

If it's old news, then it's...well, old news.

Has Sorkin not watched any television in the last decade? LnO 'ripped for the headlines' episodes come out within a few weeks. South Park had their Saddam and the spider hole episode air in what seemed like days after his capture.

If you're going to work with news, you'd best do it while it's still news.

As another poster said, there's no interest in the presidential campaign after the election.
 
2012-08-02 11:53:50 AM

mcmnky: As another poster said, there's no interest in the presidential campaign after the election.


I would question whether there is any interest before the election as well.
 
2012-08-02 11:59:12 AM

Mugato: soporific: It was a serious political drama about the inner workings of SNL. That's why it didn't last more than a season because 30 Rock showed them that if your setting is a comedy show, it needs to be a comedy

Then when they did show some of the sketches, they weren't funny at all. And Matthew Perry's character was supposed to be this genius writer that they pulled out of retirement like Batman.


I would love to watch a comedy show written by Batman.
 
2012-08-02 12:06:41 PM
The people who hate it already have their own real fake news network.
 
2012-08-02 12:17:53 PM

RexTalionis: Hey, didn't Matt Albie on Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip also fire a bunch of the writing staff when he took over as head writer?


Yes and I enjoyed that. :)
 
2012-08-02 12:22:08 PM
I really enjoyed the West Wing so I brought high expectations to the Newsroom. They are not being met. But the show is better than most of what passes for entertainment on TV so there's that.
 
2012-08-02 12:22:33 PM

mcmnky: thornhill: The fundamental problem with the show is that the overarching story line is just Sorkin's commentary on recent news events, which is neither original nor insightful (he gives us the same commentary Jon Stewart and others gave us over a year ago, but without any of the wit). When you take that away, all that remains is a perfunctory TV workplace drama with stock characters and plots.

Thanks for that tidbit. I had been thinking about checking it out based on good things I've heard.

But I been led to believe this show was a dramatic fake news counterpart to what comedy central does with TDS and Colbert.

If it's old news, then it's...well, old news.

Has Sorkin not watched any television in the last decade? LnO 'ripped for the headlines' episodes come out within a few weeks. South Park had their Saddam and the spider hole episode air in what seemed like days after his capture.

If you're going to work with news, you'd best do it while it's still news.

As another poster said, there's no interest in the presidential campaign after the election.


To be fair, South Park is incredibly easy to produce. I think I remember an article where they mentioned they can create an episode in less than a week. I imagine something with sets, live actors, camera/sound equipment takes a little more time.

But I agree with most of the opinions shared. I was liking the show in the start but it has fallen flat in my opinion. Maybe because I watch the daily show, I have already heard quips and comments on how the news story should have been covered when it happened.

I was hoping Newsroom would delve a little deeper into what it takes to put on a news show. That and a lot of the characters are unlikeable. Also, I think the "will they, won't they" between the blonde with the odd face (Maggie) and the-guy-who-looks-like-Jim-from-The-Office(Jim) I feel will become annoying.

And I want to like Olivia Munn, she is attractive and doesn't look like every other attractive actress out there, but she just can't seem to find a role that suits her.
 
2012-08-02 12:27:06 PM

Hyjamon: And I want to like Olivia Munn, she is attractive and doesn't look like every other attractive actress out there, but she just can't seem to find a role that suits her.


That's a nice way of saying she doesn't have the talent to match her ambition. But I think we all want to believe.
 
2012-08-02 12:32:15 PM
IMHO, the show blew it's wad for the entire season with the first 8 minutes of the pilot. The whole "American is not the greatest country in the world anymore" speech was riveting and powerful, but the denouement for the rest of the episode was weak sauce. They broke the story on the BP oil spill and saved the team. The Grinch's ex comes back and his heard grows to the size of ten Grinches, plus three. Meh.
 
2012-08-02 12:46:54 PM

Mugato: People are going t tell me to go back to my Two and a Half Men DVDs for saying this but it has to be said. Sorkin is a preachy, insufferable douchebag and his shows are full of preachy, insufferable douchebag characters. I don't see how entertainment can be derived from his crap.

...although I liked Sports Night.


I'm going to shake your hand actually.
 
2012-08-02 01:17:02 PM
am i the only one who thought 'bullies' was the worst episode so far?

even though i didnt watch west wing, it did seem too formulaic.
 
2012-08-02 01:45:05 PM
It's following the Studio 60 script. Panned to all hell by the ciritics, the first episode was actually really good, and we all claimed that the critics didn't know what they were talking about.

By the middle of the third episode, I had turned it off forever, never to tune in again. I'd be shocked if this thing makes it past season 2. Or even to the end of it.
 
2012-08-02 01:58:35 PM

palelizard: RexTalionis: Hey, didn't Matt Albie on Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip also fire a bunch of the writing staff when he took over as head writer?

And they all quit on Will Bailey in West Wing. I'm sensing a theme.


Wasn't Sorkin kicked out by the time Will Bailey took over for Sam?
 
2012-08-02 02:00:58 PM

Phil Ken Sebben: chocolate covered poop: I watched 2 episodes and called it quits. For me it was the use of pretty unrealistic coincidences to further the plot ie

*spoilerish*

BP oil spil: "Oh snap, my big sister is an engineer at BP and my brah from college is totally like an exective VP at Halliburton, lemme just text em and I'll totes get all the juicy info"

some shiat with AZ governor: "I forgot to tell you the governor's PR person was a guy who I was hooking up with in college and then he farked his ex girlfriend while I hid under the bed, oops, I blew it, now you have to interview some tea bag shiatheads"

How small is the newsroom world, its like everyone has a personal history with everyone

And here is our Economic reporter who just so happens to be fluent in Japanese covering a Japanese reactor issue! The luck we have!


Not only is she fluent in Japanese, she has/had a personal relationship with TEPCO's spokesman.

I'm still watching simply because Aaron Sorkin on his worst day writes better than most on their best.
 
2012-08-02 02:40:51 PM

chocolate covered poop: I watched 2 episodes and called it quits. For me it was the use of pretty unrealistic coincidences to further the plot ie

*spoilerish*

BP oil spil: "Oh snap, my big sister is an engineer at BP and my brah from college is totally like an exective VP at Halliburton, lemme just text em and I'll totes get all the juicy info"

some shiat with AZ governor: "I forgot to tell you the governor's PR person was a guy who I was hooking up with in college and then he farked his ex girlfriend while I hid under the bed, oops, I blew it, now you have to interview some tea bag shiatheads"

How small is the newsroom world, its like everyone has a personal history with everyone


I was forced to watch the first episode because I'd be blown away. In the first 5 minutes I predicted exactly what would happen (It's not, but it can be!) and the ensuing tirade. When ion one minute you predict the outcome of something and they spend an entire episode tryiong to make that the payoff, it's game over. I'm pretty sure me and a room full of monkeys could beat Sorkins' next attempt at a fast paced drama. (Difficulty: no typewriter)
 
2012-08-02 02:43:04 PM

PluckYew: I'm still watching simply because Aaron Sorkin on his worst day writes better than most on their best.


After watching some of his stuff, he takes a situation we're all familiar with, then writes some glorified diatribe about it, whilst everyone around that monologue speaker sits and listens quietly. Many times, it seems like he's using the show as a voice for viewpoints he wants to get out. Mind you, the viewpoints are well informed and thought out, but that's not how real life works.
 
2012-08-02 02:44:58 PM
Louis CK's take on Studio 60 made me lol.

Link
 
2012-08-02 03:08:47 PM

PluckYew: palelizard: RexTalionis: Hey, didn't Matt Albie on Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip also fire a bunch of the writing staff when he took over as head writer?

And they all quit on Will Bailey in West Wing. I'm sensing a theme.

Wasn't Sorkin kicked out by the time Will Bailey took over for Sam?


No, but it was the end of that season.
 
2012-08-02 03:12:29 PM

Nana's Vibrator: I was forced to watch the first episode because I'd be blown away. In the first 5 minutes I predicted exactly what would happen (It's not, but it can be!) and the ensuing tirade. When ion one minute you predict the outcome of something and they spend an entire episode tryiong to make that the payoff, it's game over. I'm pretty sure me and a room full of monkeys could beat Sorkins' next attempt at a fast paced drama. (Difficulty: no typewriter)


Sorkin does two things well: arrogant, smart dialogue and grandstanding speeches. His plots and characters are schlock.
 
2012-08-02 03:26:46 PM

theurge14: Hyjamon: And I want to like Olivia Munn, she is attractive and doesn't look like every other attractive actress out there, but she just can't seem to find a role that suits her.

That's a nice way of saying she doesn't have the talent to match her ambition. But I think we all want to believe.




I'd fark the shiat out of her Amerasian ass, but it's actually painful watching her try to act.
 
2012-08-02 03:38:05 PM

Bag of Hammers: theurge14: Hyjamon: And I want to like Olivia Munn, she is attractive and doesn't look like every other attractive actress out there, but she just can't seem to find a role that suits her.

That's a nice way of saying she doesn't have the talent to match her ambition. But I think we all want to believe.



I'd fark the shiat out of her Amerasian ass, but it's actually painful watching her try to act.


I'm not sure we're watching the same person. Olivia Munn plays the only female character on that show who's not more concerned with what the men are thinking and doing than doing her job well.

I think she is one of the best actresses on that show.
 
2012-08-02 04:34:34 PM

Lolthien: Olivia Munn plays the only female character on that show who's not more concerned with what the men are thinking and doing than doing her job well.



Agreed.


I think she is one of the best actresses on that show.


Agree to disagree I guess.
 
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