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(The Hill)   Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah): "This cyber-security bill is good. But, the only way we can really make the Internet safe is through outlawing abortion"   (thehill.com) divider line 61
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2012-08-01 02:58:30 PM  
14 votes:
we really need a rule where you can't submit amendments that have fark-all to do with the bill in question. Yes, we get it, you want to raise awareness and foster debate of a pet issue. But other than the press corp, the 7 still living people watching CSPAN and Chris Matthews giant forehead, americans don't give a crap about this sort of posturing.

if you want to discuss abortion or gun control submit new bills and discuss them. if you want to try and tank/tie up legislation forever either rally the votes in one of the houses, read the phonebook to congress for a week or become president. enough with this idiocy
2012-08-01 02:59:19 PM  
8 votes:
Reminds me of the other day. Some jerkface cut me off, ran a red light, and then made a left turn through five lanes of busy traffic, nearly causing a pile-up. My first thought was, "if only we could get a law passed defining marriage as one man and one woman, people wouldn't drive like that."

Also, when I finally got to the store, they were all out of 2% milk. Thanks, Obama.
2012-08-01 07:16:47 PM  
4 votes:
I'll just leave this here...

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2012-08-01 05:49:23 PM  
4 votes:
The original bill made a lot of sense, as it would have required power plants and the like to have standards on their cyber security and require them to be operated offline. The utility industries that it effected decided they hated it since it would be regulation and publicly said that they were against it. Then through sheer coincidence I'm sure, all sorts of shady riders start getting attached to it, all but killing the bill. I'm just piecing that together from Googling about it for a minute, but it seems pretty likely that is what is happening.
2012-08-01 06:13:41 PM  
3 votes:
I propose an amendment to the bill which requires all amendments considered unrelated to the bill be printed with a 48 font size on 100lbs card stock, rolled up, and inserted in its entirety into the anus of the politician who proposed the amendment.
2012-08-01 03:22:30 PM  
3 votes:
a cybersecurity bill authored by Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.).

Well, I don't know anything about it, but I'm against it.
2012-08-01 02:55:51 PM  
3 votes:
Guess he REALLY doesn't want cyber-security...
2012-08-01 11:55:33 PM  
2 votes:

shotglasss: Keizer_Ghidorah: shotglasss: Yeah, because the Democrats have NEVER tried to add things they want to unrelated bills.

Selective outrage is selective.

I recall many times that BOTH sides have been groused at for doing this shiat. But you continue on with your "US VS THEM ARGH RAAAR" idiocy.

Because it IS us vs. them. Always has been, always will be. That's human nature and not changeable in a free society.


I'm glad stupidity like your's isn't human nature, and that many of us haven't been conditioned by people like Rush, Hannity, Larson, and Savage to treat their fellow humans and Americans as enemies who need to be chased out and destroyed without mercy or conscience.

The economy collapsed before Obama came in. Everything he's tried to to to fix it has been opposed by the right, no matter what it is or what it does, because they're so immature and eptty that they'd rather let America self-destruct than allow that "filthy secret Muslim foreigner Negro" to have any kind of positive event occur. "If I can't have it, NO ONE CAN!!" is their de-facto mindset right now, and it's both sad and terrifying.
2012-08-01 11:29:50 PM  
2 votes:

tlchwi02: we really need a rule where you can't submit amendments that have fark-all to do with the bill in question.


Fun fact. The Constitution of the Confederate States of America had such a rule. Article I, Section 9, Clause 20:

Every law or resolution having the force of law, shall relate to but one subject, and that shall be expressed in the title.
2012-08-01 07:11:19 PM  
2 votes:
The statement came after Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) proposed submitting an amendment to repeal healthcare reform, and after Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) filed an amendment to limit the purchase of high-capacity gun magazines.

These people are farking pathetic...
2012-08-01 06:33:30 PM  
2 votes:
"Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) filed an amendment to pending cybersecurity legislation that would outlaw some abortions in the District of Columbia. [...] The statement came after Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) proposed submitting an amendment to repeal healthcare reform, and after Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) filed an amendment to limit the purchase of high-capacity gun magazines."

All of you, stop trying to put stuff in Bills that doesn't have anything to do with those Bills, assholes.
2012-08-01 06:32:55 PM  
2 votes:
Damnit, these clowns (in both parties) managed to make Joe Farking Lieberman seem like the same one.

Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) filed an amendment to pending cybersecurity legislation that would outlaw some abortions in the District of Columbia.

The measure matched a bill from Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz.) that the House considered Tuesday. Both efforts would ban abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy in D.C. except when the mother's life is threatened, and imprison or fine doctors who disobey.

Lee's amendment comes as senators wrap up work on a cybersecurity bill authored by Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.).

Lieberman asked his colleagues Tuesday afternoon not to file any more non-germane amendment to his bill.

The statement came after Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) proposed submitting an amendment to repeal healthcare reform, and after Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) filed an amendment to limit the purchase of high-capacity gun magazines.

"We can get this bill done and protect our security," Lieberman said Tuesday. "Nobody believes we're going to repeal ObamaCare this week or we're going to adopt gun control legislation."
2012-08-01 06:27:55 PM  
2 votes:
Enough with these bullshiat rider bills. They should either be outlawed entirely, or required to be somehow related to the primary bill.
2012-08-01 06:27:28 PM  
2 votes:

Mikey1969: Lee's amendment comes as senators wrap up work on a cybersecurity bill authored by Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.).

Lieberman asked his colleagues Tuesday afternoon not to file any more non-germane amendment to his bill.

THIS shiat needs to happen more, this amending non-related shiat to things like defense spending andf 'give the poor children blankets' bills is bullshiat, and it's the source of 99% of our bullshiat leegislation. There is absolutely NO reason to allow it.


How much pork do you suppose has gotten through over the years because of this practice? Outside of maybe eliminating lobbying or real, meaningful limits on campaign donations, I'm hard pressed to think of a single reform that would do more to clean up Washington.
2012-08-01 06:06:07 PM  
2 votes:

jigger: You know what would stop bullshiat like this?

"One Subject at a Time Act" (OSTA)


That bill has more than one subject. My irony meter exploded.

That said, something similar to that should be added to the farking Constitution.
2012-08-01 05:49:57 PM  
2 votes:
The more Republicans talk, the more convinced I become that some people SHOULD be pulled from the safety and warmth of the womb with a pair of tongs and chucked in a dumpster before they ever get a chance to get started.
2012-08-01 05:48:36 PM  
2 votes:
You know what would stop bullshiat like this?

"One Subject at a Time Act" (OSTA)
2012-08-01 05:44:30 PM  
2 votes:
Wow, farking 21st century and we're still "debating" abortion.

Amazing.
2012-08-01 04:22:24 PM  
2 votes:

vernonFL: Krieghund: a cybersecurity bill authored by Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.).

Well, I don't know anything about it, but I'm against it.

THIS


Reactionary willful ignorance: It's not just for teabaggers!
2012-08-02 09:52:47 AM  
1 votes:

fusillade762: TV's Vinnie: At least it wasn't about giving more tax breaks to the rich this time.

Or trying vainly to repeal ADA for the umpteenth time.


Yeah, about that.....

FTA:

"The statement came after Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) proposed submitting an amendment to repeal healthcare reform"

/right next to the advertisement in the middle
//facepalm (not at you, fusillade762)
2012-08-02 07:32:09 AM  
1 votes:
Both efforts would ban abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy in D.C. except when the mother's life is threatened, and imprison or fine doctors who disobey.

This is part of the problem. Lack of voting representation for DC. You can bet the asshole who filed this amendment would never stand for letting someone from DC try to pass laws affecting his constituents, but he doesn't think twice about screwing with the lives of DC citizens.
2012-08-02 12:59:39 AM  
1 votes:
The GOP jihad against abortion trumps all else.
2012-08-02 12:10:09 AM  
1 votes:
Oh, holy friggin' crap...

112th CONGRESS

2d Session

H. R. 3806

To end the practice of including more than one subject in a single bill by requiring that each bill enacted by Congress be limited to only one subject, and for other purposes.


"and for other purposes"?

My brain asplode.
2012-08-02 12:02:48 AM  
1 votes:
I think anyone who introduces a bill which includes the description "and for other purposes" in the summary, or causes a bill to be amended to do so, they should be made available for public ridicule, censure, and taunting.

"And for other punishments."

/to be snuck in when nobody's looking
//possibly with a hot poker.
2012-08-01 11:40:06 PM  
1 votes:

elchip: tlchwi02: we really need a rule where you can't submit amendments that have fark-all to do with the bill in question.

Fun fact. The Constitution of the Confederate States of America had such a rule. Article I, Section 9, Clause 20:

Every law or resolution having the force of law, shall relate to but one subject, and that shall be expressed in the title.


See also Indiana Constitution Article 4, Section 19. Effectively meaningless.
2012-08-01 11:13:07 PM  
1 votes:

shotglasss: Lanadapter: @shotglasss: If it makes you feel any better I'm pissed off at both parties bullshiat.

/vote Democrat!

That happened 4 years ago. The economy is now in a shambles.

Vote Republican, let's get that car of Obama's out of the ditch.


Wow, that is cluelessness defined. The car was in the ditch. Obama has been working hard to get it out, while the guys that drove it into the ditch have been doing their best to thwart him at every turn.

The Republicans said from day one that they would burn America to the ground if it would prevent that Negroid from getting another term. They haven't even bothered to lie about it.

Unless you were being satirical. If so, sorry.
2012-08-01 10:46:50 PM  
1 votes:

shotglasss: Yeah, because the Democrats have NEVER tried to add things they want to unrelated bills.

Selective outrage is selective.


I recall many times that BOTH sides have been groused at for doing this shiat. But you continue on with your "US VS THEM ARGH RAAAR" idiocy.
2012-08-01 09:54:36 PM  
1 votes:
But how is babby formed?
2012-08-01 09:51:29 PM  
1 votes:

lockers: Fluorescent Testicle: lockers: How about why have free mandatory abortions of brown people. That way libs get their blood sacrifice their atheist cults demand and conservatives can finally provide a meaningful fight on the war on drugs. Both sides are happy.

You are being sarcastic, right? With so many blithering morons around it's hard to tell.

That wasn't over the top enough? Geez, the politics tab really makes you farkers dead inside.


I'm still not so sure it was satire. Does that go for all your posts, too?
2012-08-01 09:25:12 PM  
1 votes:

COMALite J: If the Constitutional system of Checks and Balances is out-of-balance because one Branch of the Government has too much power, then the proper solution is not to give more power to another Branch, but rather to remove the excess power of the too strong Branch!


This.
The parliamentarians are gaming the system and adding another tier to that will only mean its abused in ever more creative ways.
There needs to be some truth in advertising with these bills. No sneaking in riders or poison pills on entirely unrelated legislation. No hidnig crap we don't want in tons of legalese. Break up the omnibus crap into clearly directed spending so each politician can be held more accountable.
They need to get back to doing their jobs rather than trying to cheat everyone.

/In my ideal world: Anything that isn't under the direct topic of the law in question should either be tossed out or sunset at the end of that session.
/Every passage should be written and read by the author, in full, on the sponsors time.
/Not the politician who sponsored it. The actual clerk, lawyer, or lobbyist that wrote it.
/Make them hand write the damn thing if you need accountability. It was good enough for pre-typewriter politicians.
2012-08-01 08:55:45 PM  
1 votes:

Shaggy_C: You sidestepped the issue - you don't want an ethical person to be a doctor, you want completely selfless people to be doctors.


Actually, I want to be able to get my abortion at McDonald's. In the Drive-thru.

Top that.
2012-08-01 08:44:23 PM  
1 votes:
This sort of thing is why many in the past wanted the President to be granted the Line-Item Veto that many State Governors enjoy. But I've long stated that I prefer banning such unrelated riders in the first place. OSTA looks like a good method.

If the Constitutional system of Checks and Balances is out-of-balance because one Branch of the Government has too much power, then the proper solution is not to give more power to another Branch, but rather to remove the excess power of the too strong Branch!

Both the Line-Item Veto and something like OSTA would mitigate the problem, but OSTA would do it properly, without giving the Executive Branch a power that may subsequently be abused even worse.

Remember NDAA? Righties all over the Internet blame Obama for signing that and authorizing spying on U.S. citizens due to one rider amendment, but his only choice was to either sign the whole bill, veto the whole bill, or hold onto it. He couldn't pick-and-choose. And without an NDAA (National Defense Authorization Act) being passed every year, once the previous one expires, we have no authorization to even have a National Defense, to spend even 1¢ on it!

That was, of course, the intent of that spying-on-citizens NDAA amendment: to make Obama out to be a villain whether he signed or vetoed it. It was like one of those Catch-22 "gotcha" questions the scribes, Pharisees, and Sadducees loved to ask Jesus, until He smacked them down, but unlike Jesus, President of the USA is Constitutionally bound to pick one or the other choice.
2012-08-01 08:22:46 PM  
1 votes:

TV's Vinnie: At least it wasn't about giving more tax breaks to the rich this time.


Or trying vainly to repeal ADA for the umpteenth time.
2012-08-01 08:10:43 PM  
1 votes:

Wyalt Derp: "Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) filed an amendment to pending cybersecurity legislation that would outlaw some abortions in the District of Columbia. [...] The statement came after Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) proposed submitting an amendment to repeal healthcare reform, and after Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) filed an amendment to limit the purchase of high-capacity gun magazines."

All of you, stop trying to put stuff in Bills that doesn't have anything to do with those Bills, assholes.


Lautenberg's excuse is that it's a "security" question, which is img.fark.neting stupid. He might have a better chance if he made it narrower; it's a cybersecurity bill, so limit it to banning the on-line purchase.

In contrast, Lee doesn't even have a tenuous connection to give a fig-leaf excuse.
2012-08-01 08:07:48 PM  
1 votes:

OgreMagi: He's doing us a favor.


You don't hijack the Congressional process to stop a bill from becoming law.

Odds are, the bill is yet another "let's fark over peoples rights in the name of national security" piece of crap. By adding an anti-abortion rider to it, he guarantees the bill will fail. We win.

/I have not read the bill
//just basing my assumption on the recent history of Congress

Cybersecurity Act Of 2012 Might Actually End Up Being Pro-Privacy
2012-08-01 08:03:28 PM  
1 votes:
To be fair, intentionally killing the cybersecurity bill might not be an entirely bad thing in the long run.
2012-08-01 07:12:05 PM  
1 votes:

fusillade762: So let me see if I have this straight: a Senator from UTAH wants to limit abortions in WASHINGTON DC in a bill about CYBER-SECURITY?


Well, it was Utahns that got gay marriage banned in California.
2012-08-01 07:07:22 PM  
1 votes:
So let me see if I have this straight: a Senator from UTAH wants to limit abortions in WASHINGTON DC in a bill about CYBER-SECURITY?

My brain asplode.
2012-08-01 07:03:14 PM  
1 votes:

Curious: having been introduced in january and we are a day or so away from the august recces, yeah it's dead.


Two can play the political game - somebody needs to reintroduce it (or a similar bill) with a better name.

"Eliminate Antonymous Gainless Legislation Edits."

Nobody would ever vote against the EAGLE Act, no matter how big a corrupt asshole they are.
2012-08-01 07:00:45 PM  
1 votes:
SPEAKER
Then it is unanimous, we are going to approve the bill to evacuate the town of Springfield in the great state of--

CONGRESSMAN
Wait a second, I want to tack on a rider to that bill - $30 million of taxpayer money to support the perverted arts.

SPEAKER
All in favor of the amended Springfield-slash-pervert bill?

FLOOR
Boo!

SPEAKER
Bill defeated.

KENT BROCKMAN
I've said it before and I'll say it again: democracy simply doesn't work.
2012-08-01 06:50:10 PM  
1 votes:
What Publicans actually believe:

1) Gosh darn them gosh darn ni*BONG*s welfare queens, always popping out babies that they can't support.

2) Defund Planned Parenthood.
2012-08-01 06:35:33 PM  
1 votes:
Is there any other country on Earth that allows these ridiculous riders? Even a third-world one?
2012-08-01 06:33:28 PM  
1 votes:

sendtodave: tlchwi02: we really need a rule where you can't submit amendments that have fark-all to do with the bill in question.

Someone should attach a rider on their pay-raise vote that disallows non-pertinent riders.


Just make a rule that only the sponsor(s) of the bill can offer amendments to it. Then you don't have to worry about whether it's pertinent.
2012-08-01 06:30:17 PM  
1 votes:

tlchwi02: we really need a rule where you can't submit amendments that have fark-all to do with the bill in question.


Someone should attach a rider on their pay-raise vote that disallows non-pertinent riders.
2012-08-01 06:22:00 PM  
1 votes:
Sen. Mike Lee deserves a swift cockpunch.
2012-08-01 06:14:37 PM  
1 votes:
Lee's amendment comes as senators wrap up work on a cybersecurity bill authored by Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.).

Lieberman asked his colleagues Tuesday afternoon not to file any more non-germane amendment to his bill.


THIS shiat needs to happen more, this amending non-related shiat to things like defense spending andf 'give the poor children blankets' bills is bullshiat, and it's the source of 99% of our bullshiat leegislation. There is absolutely NO reason to allow it.
2012-08-01 06:07:04 PM  
1 votes:
You know what these idiots remind me of? People like Chris-Chan, the internet moron. He insists on putting his shiatty cartoon everywhere. On everything. And yet he wonders why people troll him.

This is what I am reminded of with idiots like this.
2012-08-01 06:04:07 PM  
1 votes:
Man, those Republicans really are laser-focused on the economy, huh?
2012-08-01 06:03:23 PM  
1 votes:
Republicans are congenital farktards. I am now convinced of it.

There can be no more doubt or debate. It's just true.
2012-08-01 05:37:41 PM  
1 votes:
I should attach an amendment to the cybersecurity bill that mandates I get blowjobs from any (wo)man I find to be really freaking hot.

You know, to protect America from those godless commienazis.
2012-08-01 05:37:10 PM  
1 votes:

Aarontology: Krieghund: You're the guy that smells your buddy's finger every single time he comes back from the can, aren't you?

/it might not smell like shiat THIS time!

I can't hear you over the sound of Lieberman writing the legislation that repealed Don't Ask Don't Tell.


How many bad bills does that give him cover for?
2012-08-01 05:36:33 PM  
1 votes:

meow said the dog: Fine, vintage, derp


That melted my brain. Thou art Favorited.
2012-08-01 04:35:45 PM  
1 votes:
Like military personnel and federal civilian employees, DC residents have to deal with hick politicians in Congress holding them hostage to whatever goes in one ear and out the other.
2012-08-01 04:00:02 PM  
1 votes:
It will work. If there are no abortions there will be so many people online in a few years that downloading even the grainiest shaved midget porn will take HOURS. Soon, we'll all be back outside playing stickball and dancing 'round the maypole.

Not only is this not germane to the original language, it's not even Tito or Marlon.
2012-08-01 03:57:12 PM  
1 votes:
Watch what happens when you delete two instances of "the" and change two others to "a/an":

Meow: No the issue here is that 99% of all hackers on the planet are doing this in order to cause a disturbance to the pro-abortion lobby. You see all of the chaos upon which they can muster is just to cause an annoyance to the pro-choice individuals and the other individuals are merely collateral on the loan. So if you were to get rid of abortion then these individuals would focus on new things that do not involve the issue of abortion but would instead involve things such as world peace or furry conventions.

Oh my, someone can type quite proficiently after all ;)
2012-08-01 03:37:38 PM  
1 votes:

Krieghund: a cybersecurity bill authored by Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.).

Well, I don't know anything about it, but I'm against it.


THIS
2012-08-01 03:28:46 PM  
1 votes:

meow said the dog: If I can beg the indulgence of you for the second I am thinking that perhaps this will be the thread which is from the beginning to the end full of nothing but the rational statements.


Jesus was an extraterrestrial.
2012-08-01 03:25:40 PM  
1 votes:

meow said the dog: If I can beg the indulgence of you for the second I am thinking that perhaps this will be the thread which is from the beginning to the end full of nothing but the rational statements....


www.whosawesome.com
2012-08-01 03:22:57 PM  
1 votes:

hubiestubert: Guess he REALLY doesn't want cyber-security...


Chuck the bill. Then loudly point the finger in their faces and say "you helped this happen."
2012-08-01 03:18:03 PM  
1 votes:
If I can beg the indulgence of you for the second I am thinking that perhaps this will be the thread which is from the beginning to the end full of nothing but the rational statements. However I wish to start the conversation of this doing what it is that is done by me which is seeing the issues from two sides. There are two sides of the issue upon which we are speaking. One of these is that the Internet would not be the safer place if the abortion ban was the enacted issue. The other side of this is the opinion of Mister Senatorium Michael E. Lee of the state of Utah which is the statement that there would not be the Internet security without the abortion being the illegal thing.

Okay now the first side of this would probably attempt to make the easier argument of claiming OH MICHAEL E LEE THESE ARE THE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE ISSUES. Well this is the route if you have the mental challenging. You see these are the potentially related things. So this side might wish to consider the role of the abortions on the Internet security over the long term rather than to see this for the day or tomorrow day. Imagine if the individual upon who receives the abortion removes the fetus who would grow up to be the hacker who would steal the credit card of you from the computer of you. So perhaps this is why you would wish to NOT ban the abortions and continue to maintain the cyber-security of the country.

For the other side of this which is that abortion must be the banned thing to engage in the cyber security this is what I will state to you. First you probably are thinking OH MEOW YOU WILL CHOOSE THE ISSUE OF THINKING MAYBE THE ABORTED INDIVIDUAL WOULD HAVE BEEN THE MASTER CYBERSECURITY LEADER. Well this is the excellent point but no this was not where I was going. Give the self of you the patting on the back however for this excellent idea. No the issue here is that 99% of all hackers on the planet are doing this in order to cause the disturbance to the pro-abortion lobby. You see all of the chaos upon which they can muster is just to cause the annoyance to the pro-choice individuals and the other individuals are merely the collateral on the loan. So if you were to get rid of the abortion then these individuals would focus on new things that do not involve the issue of abortion but would instead involve things such as the world peace or furry conventions.

So listen maybe you do not agree with the point of Mister Michael E. Lee because you wish to do the rolling of the dice to see if maybe perhaps the hackers will be those who are the aborted. However if you wish to consider the alternative argument of the hacker agenda then perhaps you will see this side and have the agreement. For me I do not think we should do the placating of those who wish to terrorize us. Also if we had the better cyber-security there would not be the HBGary LAUGHTER OLS in the future.

I would like the opinion of you on this issue the Fark.com website.

You are welcome for this.
2012-08-01 03:09:36 PM  
1 votes:

hubiestubert: Guess he REALLY doesn't want cyber-security...


pretty much this. Best way to kill a bill.
 
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