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(The Hill)   Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah): "This cyber-security bill is good. But, the only way we can really make the Internet safe is through outlawing abortion"   (thehill.com) divider line 184
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2012-08-01 08:12:11 PM
i'm not usually one for outlawing things, but internet videos of abortions is kinda extreme... especially the late-term videos with the endoscopic cameras. i don't think they should be outlawed, but if you're gonna be outlawing anything, i wouldn't complain much about that.
 
2012-08-01 08:16:10 PM

sinschild: Is this not the same legislation that some pandering shiathead was trying to amend to include online ammo purchases? I guess its ok when they are protecting us from stuff that scares *you* right?


1. Everybody in this thread is just as against Lautenberg's amendment as we are Lee's amendment.

2. Did you just say that you're scared of abortion?
 
2012-08-01 08:17:45 PM

whidbey: Cybersecurity Act Of 2012 Might Actually End Up Being Pro-Privacy


Well I'll be damned.

/thanks for the link
 
2012-08-01 08:20:37 PM

propasaurus: jigger: You know what would stop bullshiat like this?

"One Subject at a Time Act" (OSTA)

That is a great idea. I would just add an amendment mandating abortions and gay marriage.


I love you guys.
 
2012-08-01 08:22:46 PM

TV's Vinnie: At least it wasn't about giving more tax breaks to the rich this time.


Or trying vainly to repeal ADA for the umpteenth time.
 
2012-08-01 08:24:24 PM
Where are all the "run government like a business" folks at a time like this? If any private corporation I've ever worked with was as endemic with scope creep as Congress seems to be, nothing would ever get accomplished. I realize that riders and amendments are blunt political instruments and the first recourse for private dealing, but this is getting way out of hand.


/and won't ever change
//until someone comes up with a way to make it hurt more
 
2012-08-01 08:24:56 PM

whidbey: Wow, farking 21st century and we're still "debating" abortion.

Amazing.


Hell, we're still "debating" birth control and health care access for everyone. These people are an embarrassment to the entire human race.
 
2012-08-01 08:26:13 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: GreenAdder: Reminds me of the other day. Some jerkface cut me off, ran a red light, and then made a left turn through five lanes of busy traffic, nearly causing a pile-up. My first thought was, "if only we could get a law passed defining marriage as one man and one woman, people wouldn't drive like that."

Also, when I finally got to the store, they were all out of 2% milk. Thanks, Obama.

You see? Pretty soon we'll all be forced to drink homo milk.


Technically it is lesbo milk.
 
2012-08-01 08:26:44 PM

tlchwi02: we really need a rule where you can't submit amendments that have fark-all to do with the bill in question. Yes, we get it, you want to raise awareness and foster debate of a pet issue. But other than the press corp, the 7 still living people watching CSPAN and Chris Matthews giant forehead, americans don't give a crap about this sort of posturing.

if you want to discuss abortion or gun control submit new bills and discuss them. if you want to try and tank/tie up legislation forever either rally the votes in one of the houses, read the phonebook to congress for a week or become president. enough with this idiocy


The problem of course being the entire US political system is based on bribery/graft being inserted into unrelated bills to get support to get them past. Without this corruption being allowed the entire US political system would break down and need to be reinvented - how would bills get implemented without being able to bribe all the other politicians?
 
2012-08-01 08:28:09 PM

trivial use of my dark powers: Hell, we're still "debating" birth control and health care access for everyone. These people are an embarrassment to the entire human race.


Your right it is atrocious that we have so many people who think babby murder should be legal. And these same people think doctors should work for free and that we should just ignore morality. Awful.
 
2012-08-01 08:29:57 PM

Shaggy_C: babby murder


[OHYOU.jpg]
 
2012-08-01 08:35:35 PM

Shaggy_C: Your right it is atrocious that we have so many people who think babby murder should be legal. And these same people think doctors should work for free and that we should just ignore morality. Awful.


Look, I know you're a troll and probably don't actually believe the stuff you post, and I'll posit you have the intelligence to understand what a strawman fallacy is, but I will bite on one bit of that past-pull-date troll bait. Physicians can follow any moral compass they need that helps them sleep at night. I do expect them to have good ethics, which most folks mistakenly tend to conflate with one another. An ethical physician would support the greatest good for the greatest number, which is what providing accessible healthcare is all about.
 
2012-08-01 08:39:24 PM

Shaggy_C: trivial use of my dark powers: Hell, we're still "debating" birth control and health care access for everyone. These people are an embarrassment to the entire human race.

Your right it is atrocious that we have so many people who think babby murder should be legal. And these same people think doctors should work for free and that we should just ignore morality. Awful.


5/10. The misspelling of "you're" was a tasty touch. Babby was a bit over the top.
 
2012-08-01 08:42:29 PM

meow said the dog: So if you were to get rid of the abortion then these individuals would focus on new things that do not involve the issue of abortion but would instead involve things such as the world peace or furry conventions.



Interestingly, I find that the more meow I read, the easier it is to understand.
 
2012-08-01 08:42:50 PM

GreenAdder: Reminds me of the other day. Some jerkface cut me off, ran a red light, and then made a left turn through five lanes of busy traffic, nearly causing a pile-up. My first thought was, "if only we could get a law passed defining marriage as one man and one woman, people wouldn't drive like that."

Also, when I finally got to the store, they were all out of 2% milk. Thanks, Obama.


you sound fat

gave yourself away with the 2% milk.
 
2012-08-01 08:44:03 PM
Alongside Steve King's pro-animal-cruelty stance, his comments about Obama's birth cert and that guy who thinks free birth control is just like murdering thousands by crashing an airplane into a busy commerce building, this actually seems rather normal....
 
2012-08-01 08:44:23 PM
This sort of thing is why many in the past wanted the President to be granted the Line-Item Veto that many State Governors enjoy. But I've long stated that I prefer banning such unrelated riders in the first place. OSTA looks like a good method.

If the Constitutional system of Checks and Balances is out-of-balance because one Branch of the Government has too much power, then the proper solution is not to give more power to another Branch, but rather to remove the excess power of the too strong Branch!

Both the Line-Item Veto and something like OSTA would mitigate the problem, but OSTA would do it properly, without giving the Executive Branch a power that may subsequently be abused even worse.

Remember NDAA? Righties all over the Internet blame Obama for signing that and authorizing spying on U.S. citizens due to one rider amendment, but his only choice was to either sign the whole bill, veto the whole bill, or hold onto it. He couldn't pick-and-choose. And without an NDAA (National Defense Authorization Act) being passed every year, once the previous one expires, we have no authorization to even have a National Defense, to spend even 1¢ on it!

That was, of course, the intent of that spying-on-citizens NDAA amendment: to make Obama out to be a villain whether he signed or vetoed it. It was like one of those Catch-22 "gotcha" questions the scribes, Pharisees, and Sadducees loved to ask Jesus, until He smacked them down, but unlike Jesus, President of the USA is Constitutionally bound to pick one or the other choice.
 
2012-08-01 08:47:58 PM

praxcelis: Physicians can follow any moral compass they need that helps them sleep at night. I do expect them to have good ethics, which most folks mistakenly tend to conflate with one another. An ethical physician would support the greatest good for the greatest number, which is what providing accessible healthcare is all about.


You sidestepped the issue - you don't want an ethical person to be a doctor, you want completely selfless people to be doctors. Good luck getting people to go to school for over a decade when you drive down their wages to a point where they can't survive. The best and brightest will either study something else or, if they do become doctors, will take their skills to a country that properly compensates them for the abilities. The net result is that America will become like the Britain/Socialist NHS where medical professionals are all terrible at their jobs (just look at Brit teeth) and make you wait 6 months for appointment. And as far as your comment about morals, you have essentially said that belief in Christ and a strong understanding of right and wrong are not important to you when selecting a professional who holds your life in their hands. That's your perogative but I would rather have a moral doctor than a Joseph Mangela.
 
2012-08-01 08:50:39 PM
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"Please don't attach any non-germane amendments to my bill."
 
2012-08-01 08:55:45 PM

Shaggy_C: You sidestepped the issue - you don't want an ethical person to be a doctor, you want completely selfless people to be doctors.


Actually, I want to be able to get my abortion at McDonald's. In the Drive-thru.

Top that.
 
2012-08-01 08:58:47 PM
Fetuses aren't people until they're born. Get over it anti-choicers. You may biatch and complain about 'where life begins' bullshiat but unfortunately for you, this country uses a legal definition that will never change and for good reason.
 
2012-08-01 09:00:18 PM

tlchwi02: we really need a rule where you can't submit amendments that have fark-all to do with the bill in question. Yes, we get it, you want to raise awareness and foster debate of a pet issue. But other than the press corp, the 7 still living people watching CSPAN and Chris Matthews giant forehead, americans don't give a crap about this sort of posturing.

if you want to discuss abortion or gun control submit new bills and discuss them. if you want to try and tank/tie up legislation forever either rally the votes in one of the houses, read the phonebook to congress for a week or become president. enough with this idiocy


So much THIS.

Can't we push for an amendment to stop billjacking?
 
2012-08-01 09:00:53 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: Fetuses aren't people until they're born. Get over it anti-choicers. You may biatch and complain about 'where life begins' bullshiat but unfortunately for you, this country uses a legal definition that will never change and for good reason.


Kevin Nealon said it's all a question of when life begins... some believe life begins at 40.
 
2012-08-01 09:19:36 PM
How about why have free mandatory abortions of brown people. That way libs get their blood sacrifice their atheist cults demand and conservatives can finally provide a meaningful fight on the war on drugs. Both sides are happy.
 
2012-08-01 09:20:05 PM

jigger: You know what would stop bullshiat like this?

"One Subject at a Time Act" (OSTA)


Except that no Congress can bind a future Congress, so it wouldn't actually stop anything.

You know what WOULD stop bullshiat like this? An active, informed, and non-retarded electorate. Not that that will ever happen, of course.
 
2012-08-01 09:22:39 PM

Emposter: jigger: You know what would stop bullshiat like this?

"One Subject at a Time Act" (OSTA)

Except that no Congress can bind a future Congress, so it wouldn't actually stop anything.

You know what WOULD stop bullshiat like this? An active, informed, and non-retarded electorate. Not that that will ever happen, of course.


Romney. He's going to win, you know. All that business acumen...and no sitting President has ever recovered from a limp-wristed economy...
 
2012-08-01 09:24:01 PM

lockers: How about why have free mandatory abortions of brown people. That way libs get their blood sacrifice their atheist cults demand and conservatives can finally provide a meaningful fight on the war on drugs. Both sides are happy.


weknowmemes.com
 
2012-08-01 09:24:06 PM

lockers: How about why have free mandatory abortions of brown people. That way libs get their blood sacrifice their atheist cults demand and conservatives can finally provide a meaningful fight on the war on drugs. Both sides are happy.


You are being sarcastic, right? With so many blithering morons around it's hard to tell.
 
2012-08-01 09:25:12 PM

COMALite J: If the Constitutional system of Checks and Balances is out-of-balance because one Branch of the Government has too much power, then the proper solution is not to give more power to another Branch, but rather to remove the excess power of the too strong Branch!


This.
The parliamentarians are gaming the system and adding another tier to that will only mean its abused in ever more creative ways.
There needs to be some truth in advertising with these bills. No sneaking in riders or poison pills on entirely unrelated legislation. No hidnig crap we don't want in tons of legalese. Break up the omnibus crap into clearly directed spending so each politician can be held more accountable.
They need to get back to doing their jobs rather than trying to cheat everyone.

/In my ideal world: Anything that isn't under the direct topic of the law in question should either be tossed out or sunset at the end of that session.
/Every passage should be written and read by the author, in full, on the sponsors time.
/Not the politician who sponsored it. The actual clerk, lawyer, or lobbyist that wrote it.
/Make them hand write the damn thing if you need accountability. It was good enough for pre-typewriter politicians.
 
2012-08-01 09:34:05 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: lockers: How about why have free mandatory abortions of brown people. That way libs get their blood sacrifice their atheist cults demand and conservatives can finally provide a meaningful fight on the war on drugs. Both sides are happy.

You are being sarcastic, right? With so many blithering morons around it's hard to tell.


That wasn't over the top enough? Geez, the politics tab really makes you farkers dead inside.
 
2012-08-01 09:34:17 PM

lockers: How about why have free mandatory abortions of brown people. That way libs get their blood sacrifice their atheist cults demand and conservatives can finally provide a meaningful fight on the war on drugs. Both sides are happy.


2/10 too obvious, not enough dog whistles and misspellings, no references to Jesus or Reagan.
 
2012-08-01 09:37:47 PM
It's sad when a political party that has created their own base to be reactionary, violent, and stupid ideologues has to keep pandering to these assholes to keep them going to the polls. Seriously, isn't that NOT the way it was supposed to work?
 
2012-08-01 09:37:59 PM

lockers: That wasn't over the top enough? Geez, the politics tab really makes you farkers dead inside.


Poe's Law, dude. I've seen a good dozen people say that sort of thing earnestly just this morning. :P
 
2012-08-01 09:40:03 PM

lockers: Fluorescent Testicle: lockers: How about why have free mandatory abortions of brown people. That way libs get their blood sacrifice their atheist cults demand and conservatives can finally provide a meaningful fight on the war on drugs. Both sides are happy.

You are being sarcastic, right? With so many blithering morons around it's hard to tell.

That wasn't over the top enough? Geez, the politics tab really makes you farkers dead inside.


I like to think that we come here because we're dead inside :P
 
2012-08-01 09:41:36 PM

MurphyMurphy: lockers: Fluorescent Testicle: lockers: How about why have free mandatory abortions of brown people. That way libs get their blood sacrifice their atheist cults demand and conservatives can finally provide a meaningful fight on the war on drugs. Both sides are happy.

You are being sarcastic, right? With so many blithering morons around it's hard to tell.

That wasn't over the top enough? Geez, the politics tab really makes you farkers dead inside.

I like to think that we come here because we're dead inside :P


It is a vicious cycle.
 
2012-08-01 09:46:47 PM

KiltedBastich: lockers: How about why have free mandatory abortions of brown people. That way libs get their blood sacrifice their atheist cults demand and conservatives can finally provide a meaningful fight on the war on drugs. Both sides are happy.

2/10 too obvious, not enough dog whistles and misspellings, no references to Jesus or Reagan.


Oh come on, it had it all. I labeled liberals as godless savages, suggested minorities cause the drug problem and left it unsaid that conservatives wouldn't mind ethnic cleansing. It had a little for everyone. There is no pleasing you!
 
2012-08-01 09:47:31 PM
F*ck you, Rand Paul.
 
2012-08-01 09:48:10 PM

lockers: KiltedBastich: lockers: How about why have free mandatory abortions of brown people. That way libs get their blood sacrifice their atheist cults demand and conservatives can finally provide a meaningful fight on the war on drugs. Both sides are happy.

2/10 too obvious, not enough dog whistles and misspellings, no references to Jesus or Reagan.

Oh come on, it had it all. I labeled liberals as godless savages, suggested minorities cause the drug problem and left it unsaid that conservatives wouldn't mind ethnic cleansing. It had a little for everyone. There is no pleasing you!


You RINO.
 
2012-08-01 09:51:29 PM

lockers: Fluorescent Testicle: lockers: How about why have free mandatory abortions of brown people. That way libs get their blood sacrifice their atheist cults demand and conservatives can finally provide a meaningful fight on the war on drugs. Both sides are happy.

You are being sarcastic, right? With so many blithering morons around it's hard to tell.

That wasn't over the top enough? Geez, the politics tab really makes you farkers dead inside.


I'm still not so sure it was satire. Does that go for all your posts, too?
 
2012-08-01 09:54:36 PM
But how is babby formed?
 
2012-08-01 09:55:38 PM

Shaggy_C: trivial use of my dark powers: Hell, we're still "debating" birth control and health care access for everyone. These people are an embarrassment to the entire human race.

Your right it is atrocious that we have so many people who think babby murder should be legal. And these same people think doctors should work for free and that we should just ignore morality. Awful.


Trolling: http://www.trollquotes.org

Being a dumbass: Saying things you know are retarded, but that other people believe, and that yet other people will correct you on when they could be spelling it out to people who actually do need it spelled out. Invoking Poe's law isn't trolling and it isn't clever. It's just knowingly being part of the problem for kicks.

So when it comes to posts like this, I don't care if you're 'trolling' or really believe it. You're an idiot either way, and you deserve to be called out on it. Don't pat yourself on the back for it, you didn't 'win' anything for getting a 'bite'

/tired of so called trolling
//yes, yes, "welcome to fark"
 
2012-08-01 09:58:04 PM
I got an abortion over the internet. I had to click the button that asked if I was male or female. I lied, like I do on all the lesbian sites.
 
2012-08-01 09:58:24 PM

whidbey: lockers: Fluorescent Testicle: lockers: How about why have free mandatory abortions of brown people. That way libs get their blood sacrifice their atheist cults demand and conservatives can finally provide a meaningful fight on the war on drugs. Both sides are happy.

You are being sarcastic, right? With so many blithering morons around it's hard to tell.

That wasn't over the top enough? Geez, the politics tab really makes you farkers dead inside.

I'm still not so sure it was satire. Does that go for all your posts, too?


I'm not Pocket Ninja, sorry. Is there a rule in the FAQ that says your either always serious, always sarcastic or a lame troll?
 
2012-08-01 10:01:03 PM

lockers: Is there a rule in the FAQ that says your either always serious, always sarcastic or a lame troll?


I sure hope not. I'd be screwed.
 
2012-08-01 10:05:19 PM

lockers: KiltedBastich: lockers: How about why have free mandatory abortions of brown people. That way libs get their blood sacrifice their atheist cults demand and conservatives can finally provide a meaningful fight on the war on drugs. Both sides are happy.

2/10 too obvious, not enough dog whistles and misspellings, no references to Jesus or Reagan.

Oh come on, it had it all. I labeled liberals as godless savages, suggested minorities cause the drug problem and left it unsaid that conservatives wouldn't mind ethnic cleansing. It had a little for everyone. There is no pleasing you!


You used big words that denote education, you had no direct references to either Jesus or Reagan, your callouts were not blatant dogwhistles. I stand by my score.
 
2012-08-01 10:05:20 PM
Women avoiding 18 years of slavery by having a medical procedure that removes a little glob of cells? God will destroy America!

Sending a Sky-Net robot to kill a a whole family at a wedding? Babies and all? Awesome!
 
2012-08-01 10:27:28 PM
Yeah, because the Democrats have NEVER tried to add things they want to unrelated bills.

Selective outrage is selective.
 
2012-08-01 10:29:11 PM

lockers: How about why have free mandatory abortions of brown people. That way libs get their blood sacrifice their atheist cults demand and conservatives can finally provide a meaningful fight on the war on drugs. Both sides are happy.


8/10. Best of the day.
 
2012-08-01 10:35:14 PM

Guntram Shatterhand: It's sad when a political party that has created their own base to be reactionary, violent, and stupid ideologues has to keep pandering to these assholes to keep them going to the polls. Seriously, isn't that NOT the way it was supposed to work?


Correct, however billion dollar propaganda is a powerful tool.

Case in point. Below is the main headline listed. Keep in mind they neglect to say that the House is controlled entirely by Republicans. They pose it as though it's a bipartisan measure when it's not.

House Backs GOP Plan on Tax Rates

It's not news in the least considering the volume of bills the House has passed knowing full well they are unrealistic, extreme and will not become law. It's an extension of propaganda so they can make claims and lay blame, nothing more. It's not realistic in any sense yet they continue their repetitive cycle. This is the same group that wants to eliminate Medicare, Social Security and Food Stamps at a cost of $52 billion yet turns a blind eye to $90 + billion in Corporate welfare each year. Politics is politics but Republicans are the worst of the worst of the worst.

Factual information shows American citizens are worse off under Republican rule and it only gets worse each time. They project their lies, fraud and schemes on anyone who dares confront and or oppose them and viciously attack the messenger to no end. Their play book hasn't changed over the years in the least it's only adapted to "current" technology. I'm not saying Democrats haven't done this, because they can both kma, but it's like comparing a teenager robbing a store of a Soda and chips to Whitey Bulger. Of course they don't like it and get extremely defensive, they are on the defense 24/7 to protect and hide their extreme wrong doings live Voter Fraud (take a look and see who has actually committed extensive voter fraud over history and recent history. Hint: "Republicans"). These people are not even Republicans by definition, they are Extreme Right Wing Neocons with a wild agenda not in line with American interests, values, morals or ethics.

How many Executive Cabinet members from the Republican party work/worked for and/or endorsed Fox "News"? A LOT. A real lot. Cheney, Palin, Rove, Rice, Snow, Rumsfeld awee fark, I'm not naming them all.. Way to many to call yourself "fair" or "balanced" and total bullshiat from the perspective of anyone with a some what normal IQ. Won't make a difference to their fans though, they are Hook, Line, Sinker, Rod, Reel, Handle and half the left arm. IE; phreezen, mfl, bfb, tpos and many more.

Right-wing authoritarianism (RWA) is a personality and ideological variable studied in political, social, and personality psychology. Right-wing authoritarians are people who have a high degree of willingness to submit to authorities they perceive as established and legitimate, who adhere to societal conventions and norms, and who are hostile and punitive in their attitudes towards people who don't adhere to them. They value uniformity and are in favor of using group authority, including coercion, to achieve it.
 
2012-08-01 10:35:32 PM
@shotglasss: If it makes you feel any better I'm pissed off at both parties bullshiat.

/vote Democrat!
 
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