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2012-08-01 11:32:20 AM
He invited Riley down to a barbeque at the group's compound in Florida

That one sentence contains so much information, much of it stereotypical but still.

Go back to jacking each other off on stormfront.com and STFU.
 
2012-08-01 11:34:50 AM
I'll give 10 to 1 odds that the investigation is dropped without charges, or if charges are filed, quietly reduced, or dropped altogether, in the next 12 to 24 months. That's been the pattern lately, where the government goes after groups like the Huttaree, only to find that it's not illegal to be a racist asshole, or to talk big about opposing the government (so long as it's just talk).
 
2012-08-01 11:35:20 AM
Hey, you guys remember when Obama received the report that Bush asked for from the FBI about how some military veterans were a high risk for recruitment by domestic terrorism?

And the right wing went insane?

You guys, you remember that?
 
2012-08-01 12:02:14 PM

what_now: Hey, you guys remember when Obama received the report that Bush asked for from the FBI about how some military veterans were a high risk for recruitment by domestic terrorism?

And the right wing went insane?

You guys, you remember that?


To be fair, Right Wing militia groups have been investigated fair often since 9/11, and the FBI and Homeland Security AND ATF have put several on their watchlists. It's not about "sides" but who is gathering up weapons and before 9/11, it was these folks that had committed the largest attack on US soil for quite some time...
 
2012-08-01 12:58:42 PM
HE JES' WAWNTS HIZ COUNTREE BAK!!!
 
2012-08-01 12:59:42 PM
He told investigators he grew frustrated with "racial hypocrisies" in U.S. society and the military while he was serving in Iraq in 2008.

"Waaah! I want to be able to say the N word in public too!"
 
2012-08-01 01:02:30 PM
It's all on how you define a "clear and present danger."
In World War I, when the Supreme Court defined that limit on free speech, leftists telling people not to comply with draft laws was enough. Today you can amass arsenals and millions of rounds of ammo, practice combat tactics in the woods and blab on about states' rights and white power and you probably won't be prosecuted until you pull a trigger.
 
2012-08-01 01:05:56 PM
B-b-b-but foreignislamoterrorshariafascism!!!
 
2012-08-01 01:11:38 PM
FTA: "Riley told investigators he talked to others in his unit about his racist beliefs, but he never met any other skinheads, at least not while serving in the Missouri National Guard."

Really?

FTA: "Faella also wanted to utilize Riley for firearms, survival and medical training," the report said. "Riley believed Faella wanted this training because AF believed the U.S. was going to collapse, and they wanted to be prepared for the ensuing chaos."

All I can think of when i see this is

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-08-01 01:14:03 PM
With so many members of the Tea Party doing typical wingnut shennanigans, why single out Ryan Riley for a story?
 
2012-08-01 01:15:11 PM
They're a bunch of splitters.

/Front of America
 
2012-08-01 01:19:01 PM

hubiestubert: what_now: Hey, you guys remember when Obama received the report that Bush asked for from the FBI about how some military veterans were a high risk for recruitment by domestic terrorism?

And the right wing went insane?

You guys, you remember that?

To be fair, Right Wing militia groups have been investigated fair often since 9/11, and the FBI and Homeland Security AND ATF have put several on their watchlists. It's not about "sides" but who is gathering up weapons and before 9/11, it was these folks that had committed the largest attack on US soil for quite some time...


That is true but a democrat/liberal saying it gets attacked as the second coming of the antichrist while republicans/conservatives will not mention anything. Political discourse in this country has gone downhill with the medias refusal to call politicians out on their lies, innuendos and half truths.
 
2012-08-01 01:23:33 PM

dittybopper: I'll give 10 to 1 odds that the investigation is dropped without charges, or if charges are filed, quietly reduced, or dropped altogether, in the next 12 to 24 months. That's been the pattern lately, where the government goes after groups like the Huttaree, only to find that it's not illegal to be a racist asshole, or to talk big about opposing the government (so long as it's just talk).


Sounded like they were in the planning phase. Conspiracy charges would stick.
 
2012-08-01 01:23:54 PM

Nezorf: All I can think of when i see this is



upload.wikimedia.org

"I know all about free enterprise and the American way, I fought a war for all that. What war? The big one: Korea. Well, it was big to me."
 
Ant
2012-08-01 01:29:16 PM
Known as American Front, the white supremacist organization was snared in a joint terrorism investigation by the FBI and Florida authorities earlier this year. Its leader, Marcus Faella

Faella? That don't sound like no white man's name to me.
 
2012-08-01 01:34:43 PM

Ant: Known as American Front, the white supremacist organization was snared in a joint terrorism investigation by the FBI and Florida authorities earlier this year. Its leader, Marcus Faella

Faella? That don't sound like no white man's name to me.


Proly Portuguese. Which means he's proly got that gene. Cuz the moors, they did so much farking, they changed the whole bloodline forever.
 
2012-08-01 01:47:24 PM
FTFA:

"Its leader, Marcus Faella, and 12 of his associates were arrested and charged with a variety of crimes, including training of a paramilitary group and hate crimes."

There's a law against that?
 
2012-08-01 01:50:26 PM
quizilla.teennick.com

R.I.P. Ryan O'Reily
 
2012-08-01 01:57:30 PM
that headline was terrible. I expected an interesting tale of how a soldier had perhaps accidentally trained them, or they tricked him, or he was some sort of double agent or something. the whole story was "racist soldier shows racist non soldiers some military tactics at a racist picnic."
 
2012-08-01 02:03:40 PM
Camp Striker was Fobbitville. It was mostly a support area and layover for soldiers coming or going via Baghdad International Airport, so I doubt they'd get much training or combat experience out of this putz.
 
2012-08-01 02:09:11 PM

HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: I'll give 10 to 1 odds that the investigation is dropped without charges, or if charges are filed, quietly reduced, or dropped altogether, in the next 12 to 24 months. That's been the pattern lately, where the government goes after groups like the Huttaree, only to find that it's not illegal to be a racist asshole, or to talk big about opposing the government (so long as it's just talk).

Sounded like they were in the planning phase. Conspiracy charges would stick.


Like they did with the Hutaree? Oh, that's right, they didn't.
 
2012-08-01 02:25:03 PM

Click Click D'oh: FTFA:

"Its leader, Marcus Faella, and 12 of his associates were arrested and charged with a variety of crimes, including training of a paramilitary group and hate crimes."

There's a law against that?


Training terrorists should be okay?
 
2012-08-01 02:34:16 PM

Click Click D'oh: FTFA:"Its leader, Marcus Faella, and 12 of his associates were arrested and charged with a variety of crimes, including training of a paramilitary group and hate crimes."

There's a law against that?


Someone should tell these guys:

i.usatoday.net
 
2012-08-01 02:36:16 PM

dittybopper: HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: I'll give 10 to 1 odds that the investigation is dropped without charges, or if charges are filed, quietly reduced, or dropped altogether, in the next 12 to 24 months. That's been the pattern lately, where the government goes after groups like the Huttaree, only to find that it's not illegal to be a racist asshole, or to talk big about opposing the government (so long as it's just talk).

Sounded like they were in the planning phase. Conspiracy charges would stick.

Like they did with the Hutaree? Oh, that's right, they didn't.


I doubt the cases are identical. Just because those particular violent right wing racists walked doesn't mean they all will.
 
2012-08-01 02:40:33 PM

Krieghund: Click Click D'oh: FTFA:"Its leader, Marcus Faella, and 12 of his associates were arrested and charged with a variety of crimes, including training of a paramilitary group and hate crimes."

There's a law against that?

Someone should tell these guys:

[i.usatoday.net image 490x360]


i148.photobucket.com

Member of an elite paramilitary group: Eagle Scouts.
 
2012-08-01 03:19:16 PM

jodaveki: Ant: Known as American Front, the white supremacist organization was snared in a joint terrorism investigation by the FBI and Florida authorities earlier this year. Its leader, Marcus Faella

Faella? That don't sound like no white man's name to me.

Proly Portuguese. Which means he's proly got that gene. Cuz the moors, they did so much farking, they changed the whole bloodline forever.


so is he a liar?
www.gmanreviews.com
 
2012-08-01 03:21:18 PM

HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: I'll give 10 to 1 odds that the investigation is dropped without charges, or if charges are filed, quietly reduced, or dropped altogether, in the next 12 to 24 months. That's been the pattern lately, where the government goes after groups like the Huttaree, only to find that it's not illegal to be a racist asshole, or to talk big about opposing the government (so long as it's just talk).

Sounded like they were in the planning phase. Conspiracy charges would stick.

Like they did with the Hutaree? Oh, that's right, they didn't.

I doubt the cases are identical. Just because those particular violent right wing racists walked doesn't mean they all will.


Yeah, it's not like there is a pattern of this sort of thing happening.

That's assuming, of course, that it wasn't wholly directed and funded by the federal government itself. The FBI likes to find losers with big mouths and no possible means of committing an attack themselves, pumping them up, providing them the money, training, and fake "explosives" or inoperable Stinger missiles, or disabled machine guns, whatever, then arresting them for something they couldn't have possibly accomplished on their own.
 
2012-08-01 04:55:16 PM
How A Military Veteran Found His Way Into A Domestic 'Terror' Group

wait, a white supremacy group is considered a domestic terror group?

I wonder if the black panthers have the same federal 'tag'
 
2012-08-01 06:45:56 PM

Sgt Otter: I doubt they'd get much training or combat experience out of this putz.


A speedy-four (with prior active experience, according to an article TFA links to) in the Mizzou guard?

If they couldn't find an individual in Florida with equal or better qualifications... I'm just not concerned with the threat of right-wing militias in America today. If that's the best they can do, I'm actually more afraid of the Boy Scout troop pictured above.
 
2012-08-01 07:10:02 PM

HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: I'll give 10 to 1 odds that the investigation is dropped without charges, or if charges are filed, quietly reduced, or dropped altogether, in the next 12 to 24 months. That's been the pattern lately, where the government goes after groups like the Huttaree, only to find that it's not illegal to be a racist asshole, or to talk big about opposing the government (so long as it's just talk).

Sounded like they were in the planning phase. Conspiracy charges would stick.


Conspiracy to survive the collapse of a country?

Will you be going after Burpee seeds and water purification tablet manufacturers next?
 
2012-08-01 08:05:43 PM

Gonz: Sgt Otter: I doubt they'd get much training or combat experience out of this putz.

A speedy-four (with prior active experience, according to an article TFA links to) in the Mizzou guard?

If they couldn't find an individual in Florida with equal or better qualifications... I'm just not concerned with the threat of right-wing militias in America today. If that's the best they can do, I'm actually more afraid of the Boy Scout troop pictured above.


See, you had to invite to Godwin, didn't you...


After all, Hitler made it to the equivalent rank.

So, you know, everyone panic?

/Got Nothin'
 
2012-08-01 08:27:56 PM
Why is it such a "mystery" how an ex-soldier would wind up with a paramilitary militia group that hates America? These guys think Timothy McVeigh was just some kind of aberration?

I'm guessing the woods are full of guys like Reilly who by his own words : he continue[s] to embrace the Skinhead ideology and considered himself a 'lone wolf' Skinhead."

....just like McVeigh. Hope this fool is still on the FBI watch lists.
 
2012-08-01 08:38:36 PM

Gonz: Sgt Otter: I doubt they'd get much training or combat experience out of this putz.

A speedy-four (with prior active experience, according to an article TFA links to) in the Mizzou guard?

If they couldn't find an individual in Florida with equal or better qualifications... I'm just not concerned with the threat of right-wing militias in America today. If that's the best they can do, I'm actually more afraid of the Boy Scout troop pictured above.


I looked that up. Seven years prior service, two tours in Iraq, and STILL rocking a Sham Shield, and couldn't teach these dildos anything more complex that shiat you learn in Red Phase. I really wish it listed his MOS.
 
2012-08-01 08:46:59 PM

Gonz: Sgt Otter: I doubt they'd get much training or combat experience out of this putz.

A speedy-four (with prior active experience, according to an article TFA links to) in the Mizzou guard?

If they couldn't find an individual in Florida with equal or better qualifications... I'm just not concerned with the threat of right-wing militias in America today. If that's the best they can do, I'm actually more afraid of the Boy Scout troop pictured above.


Lots of people forgetting the Oklahoma City bombing today, I see...
 
2012-08-01 08:53:29 PM
"Riley advised that he was no longer affiliated with any white supremacist groups," the report said, "although he continued to embrace the Skinhead ideology and considered himself a 'lone wolf' Skinhead."

...why am I not reassured in even the smallest iota?
 
2012-08-01 08:59:03 PM

Gyrfalcon: Lots of people forgetting the Oklahoma City bombing today, I see...


SGT McVeigh was a Silver Star recipient, and had qualified as the top Bradley gunner in 2/16 Infantry. He also aspired to an SF career.

This guy's not nearly as good of a Soldier as McVeigh was.
 
2012-08-01 08:59:44 PM

Gyrfalcon: Gonz: Sgt Otter: I doubt they'd get much training or combat experience out of this putz.

A speedy-four (with prior active experience, according to an article TFA links to) in the Mizzou guard?

If they couldn't find an individual in Florida with equal or better qualifications... I'm just not concerned with the threat of right-wing militias in America today. If that's the best they can do, I'm actually more afraid of the Boy Scout troop pictured above.

Lots of people forgetting the Oklahoma City bombing today, I see...


It was a different era, a time where government tried to sweep foreign nationals involvement under the rug.

If there was one aircraft involved on 9/11 it would have been pilot error. Think of what a PR coup it was for the terrorist when all those cameras were focused on the one buring tower....and then another plane hits......
 
2012-08-01 09:00:01 PM

Gyrfalcon: Gonz: Sgt Otter: I doubt they'd get much training or combat experience out of this putz.

A speedy-four (with prior active experience, according to an article TFA links to) in the Mizzou guard?

If they couldn't find an individual in Florida with equal or better qualifications... I'm just not concerned with the threat of right-wing militias in America today. If that's the best they can do, I'm actually more afraid of the Boy Scout troop pictured above.

Lots of people forgetting the Oklahoma City bombing today, I see...


Sgt. Timothy McVeigh was an experienced mechanized infantryman, who quickly rose through the ranks and earned a Combat Infantryman's Badge and a Bronze Star with Valor. He saw extensive combat with the 1st Infantry Division in the Gulf War as a gunner on an M2 Bradley Fighting Vehicle, and had been hand-picked by his commander to attend the Special Forces Selection course (he did not advance to the Qualification course, however).

He was dangerous. This guy? I'm not seeing anything in this guy's record to indicate he was capable of operating a potato gun.
 
2012-08-01 09:02:21 PM
That was 58 seconds away from being an awesome simulpost. And Otter's correct- Bronze rather than Silver Star. I should have used the Googles.
 
2012-08-01 09:02:21 PM

abb3w: "Riley advised that he was no longer affiliated with any white supremacist groups," the report said, "although he continued to embrace the Skinhead ideology and considered himself a 'lone wolf' Skinhead."

...why am I not reassured in even the smallest iota?


a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com

Depends on how you are programmed to react to the word "skinhead".
 
2012-08-02 12:45:49 AM

Sgt Otter: Gyrfalcon: Gonz: Sgt Otter: I doubt they'd get much training or combat experience out of this putz.

A speedy-four (with prior active experience, according to an article TFA links to) in the Mizzou guard?

If they couldn't find an individual in Florida with equal or better qualifications... I'm just not concerned with the threat of right-wing militias in America today. If that's the best they can do, I'm actually more afraid of the Boy Scout troop pictured above.

Lots of people forgetting the Oklahoma City bombing today, I see...

Sgt. Timothy McVeigh was an experienced mechanized infantryman, who quickly rose through the ranks and earned a Combat Infantryman's Badge and a Bronze Star with Valor. He saw extensive combat with the 1st Infantry Division in the Gulf War as a gunner on an M2 Bradley Fighting Vehicle, and had been hand-picked by his commander to attend the Special Forces Selection course (he did not advance to the Qualification course, however).

He was dangerous. This guy? I'm not seeing anything in this guy's record to indicate he was capable of operating a potato gun.


My only reference was that anybody can build an ANFO bomb. I was more concerned about his considering himself to be a "skinhead lone wolf," not his training any wannabe militias.
 
2012-08-02 05:02:45 AM
I'm really not that surprised. There are a lot of these type of groups around Missouri. I'm sure there are a lot that the government just doesn't even know about. These are the ones that ought to worry everyone.
 
2012-08-02 05:51:20 AM

Mugato: He invited Riley down to a barbeque at the group's compound in Florida

That one sentence contains so much information, much of it stereotypical but still.


And they never tell you how to get your own compound, which is vital to my interests.
 
2012-08-02 10:40:43 AM

dittybopper: I'll give 10 to 1 odds that the investigation is dropped without charges, or if charges are filed, quietly reduced, or dropped altogether, in the next 12 to 24 months. That's been the pattern lately, where the government goes after groups like the Huttaree, only to find that it's not illegal to be a racist asshole, or to talk big about opposing the government (so long as it's just talk).


I can plan and prepare for the fall of the government all day long and the government can't (legally) do jack about it; as long as I'm not planning on being an instigator of said downfall. If I think that the government is going to implode from all the forces arraigned against it(China, debt, liberals, abortion being allowed, lack of education in schools, prison population, war on drugs, take your pick) without my assistance, that's fine.

The moment I start planning on helping it along, then you're looking at trouble. I plan on stockpiling 10 years of food, including seed for crops, fuel, building supplies, and shelters on remote land? Legal. Could I collect 100k rounds of ammo and 100 various firearms, including a military pattern(but legal) semi-auto rifle, hunting/sniper rifle, shotgun, and handgun for each 'member' of my 'militia'? Yep, Legal. Stockpiling medicine, fertilizer, and such starts getting more complicated, especially if I'm collecting chemical textbooks that allow me to put it together into a bomb, but can still be done legally(though at this point I'd want to watch what I say).

On record planning to attack, bomb, poison, manufacture bombs or poison(intended for humans)? Now we have trouble.

I had some sympothy for the dude until I read 'lone wold skinhead'.

/LIkes keeping ~3 months of food in the house, family habit. Can be worried about getting snowed in.
 
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