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(Yahoo)   Chinese officials very upset that people are accusing their 15-year old female swimmer, who swam laps in the 400m freestyle faster than Michael Phelps or Ryan Lochte did in the same event, of using performance-enhancing drugs   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 222
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2012-08-01 12:05:17 PM
Since she hasn't tested positive for performance enhancing drugs, perhaps they should be upset.
 
2012-08-01 12:08:20 PM

cmunic8r99: Since she hasn't tested positive for performance enhancing drugs, perhaps they should be upset.


Perhaps, but considering this girl has shaved 5 seconds off her personal best in 1 YEAR, AND broke the world record by more than 1 second, the first woman to break a world record set with those "special" swinsuits that were used in Beijing let's just say the more likely outcome is the chinese have developed a new undetectable form of doping.
 
2012-08-01 12:14:15 PM

cmunic8r99: Since she hasn't tested positive for performance enhancing drugs, perhaps they should be upset.


Yes, it might just be possible that, you know, she's a faster swimmer.
 
2012-08-01 12:18:08 PM
and also

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ftfa: "If there are suspicions, then please lay them out using facts and data. Don't use your own suspicions to knock down others. "-Nice
 
2012-08-01 12:29:45 PM
Is she as hairy as an East German female athlete? No. Then she's as innocent as old one ball Armstrong.
 
2012-08-01 12:38:55 PM

I_C_Weener: Is she as hairy as an East German female athlete? No. Then she's as innocent as old one ball Armstrong.


No but she does look like a distant relative of Arnold Schwarzenegger and that "lantern jaw" is a tell when it comes to steriod use
 
2012-08-01 12:49:26 PM
Guilty until proven innocent IS the whiny-American way.
 
2012-08-01 12:57:30 PM
Personally I think she is clean. China is working very hard on its image as one of the greatest countries in the world. I don't think their leadership would be willing to risk doping their athletes and getting caught at it.
Just one or two cases would ruin it for every Chinese athlete for years to come.
 
2012-08-01 12:59:14 PM

Magorn: cmunic8r99: Since she hasn't tested positive for performance enhancing drugs, perhaps they should be upset.

Perhaps, but considering this girl has shaved 5 seconds off her personal best in 1 YEAR, AND broke the world record by more than 1 second, the first woman to break a world record set with those "special" swinsuits that were used in Beijing let's just say the more likely outcome is the chinese have developed a new undetectable form of doping.


BATH SALTS!!!

Or, as the Chinese call it, "sour grapes."
 
2012-08-01 01:02:19 PM

Slives: Personally I think she is clean. China is working very hard on its image as one of the greatest countries in the world. I don't think their leadership would be willing to risk doping their athletes and getting caught at it.
Just one or two cases would ruin it for every Chinese athlete for years to come.


They would definitely risk doping their athletes. They are smug enough to think they can get away with it.
 
2012-08-01 01:04:19 PM
I don't care about her or this story (but I'll agree that shaving 5 second off in a year is insane), I'm just glad that Phelps beat that little twit Clary in Butterfly. I wish he got the gold, but at least he showed Clary that talking shiat does nothing but make the other guy work harder.
 
2012-08-01 01:15:59 PM
Yeah, prove that she cheated or STFU. Records are made to be broken.
 
2012-08-01 01:26:08 PM
When I was a kid in the 70s, I remember Bob Beamon's world record was an awesome thing. I don't remember any controversy, it was just cool that a human did that.
Strange things happen. It doesn't mean anyone cheated. There are people who are paid to suspect cheaters and root them out. I'm not one of them, so I'm just going to think it was an awesome swim until someone tells me otherwise, who has more evidence than "I thought about this really hard, and I decided she cheated."
 
2012-08-01 01:27:35 PM
"Dihydrotestosterone, anabolic steroids, erythropoietin and human growth hormones. All banned substances. All used by various members of the Chinese national swim team in the last 15 years.

Over 40 Chinese swimmers since 1990 have failed drug tests. That's triple the amount of any other swimming country during the same period of time."

So yes, give her a fair trial. But people acting like the only reason to be suspicious of this is jealousy or motivated by any anti-china sentiment need to consider that in the past 20 years, china are the biggest cheaters in olympic swimming by great leaps and bounds. So it sucks for her, but China made their bed by allowing cheating to go on for so long, and now they have to sleep in it
 
2012-08-01 01:28:56 PM
The article mentioned she wasn't always a swimmer. One of her teachers suggested it after observing she had large hands and feet for a girl her size.
Simple physics tells us she should be naturally faster than most other competitors. It is entirely believable this girl hit her peak at the right time....and is perhaps the greatest swimmer of all time. Unfortunately, the Chinese record of doping puts a foul smell on on otherwise remarkable athletic performance.
 
2012-08-01 01:58:10 PM

Bonkthat_Again: The article mentioned she wasn't always a swimmer. One of her teachers suggested it after observing she had large hands and feet for a girl her size.
Simple physics tells us she should be naturally faster than most other competitors. It is entirely believable this girl hit her peak at the right time....and is perhaps the greatest swimmer of all time. Unfortunately, the Chinese record of doping puts a foul smell on on otherwise remarkable athletic performance.


Michael Phelps says, "Pass the bong, dude." When she wins 8 gold medals or more in a single Olympic games, and when she has 19 or more Olympic medals, then maybe we can call her the greatest swimmer of all time. Until such a feat occurs, that title belongs to him. I don't discount that what she did, provided it wasn't through doping, was impressive.....just not anywhere near as impressive as what Phelps has managed to do in his career.
 
2012-08-01 02:21:45 PM

Magorn: Perhaps, but considering this girl has shaved 5 seconds off her personal best in 1 YEAR


Is it really so unbelievable that a girl can shave 5 seconds off their best in 1 year? I mean, last year, she was 15. I don't know if you remember when you were that age, but I gained a lot of inches in height between 15 and 16 as well as a lot more muscle.
 
2012-08-01 02:23:50 PM

RexTalionis: Magorn: Perhaps, but considering this girl has shaved 5 seconds off her personal best in 1 YEAR

Is it really so unbelievable that a girl can shave 5 seconds off their best in 1 year? I mean, last year, she was 15. I don't know if you remember when you were that age, but I gained a lot of inches in height between 15 and 16 as well as a lot more muscle.


In swimming, shaving a second off in a year is amazing. I don't know much about it but at this level, that would be extraordinary. Not impossible, or even unprecedented, but extraordinary.
 
2012-08-01 02:31:09 PM

RexTalionis: Magorn: Perhaps, but considering this girl has shaved 5 seconds off her personal best in 1 YEAR

Is it really so unbelievable that a girl can shave 5 seconds off their best in 1 year? I mean, last year, she was 15. I don't know if you remember when you were that age, but I gained a lot of inches in height between 15 and 16 as well as a lot more muscle.


For a man? no. For a woman? Yes. Puberty could explain a performance jump like that but 15 is awfully late to go through puberty for a woman, and the post-pubescent muscle mass change males get is one thing, but women don't get nearly as much, given that its largely testosterone based..
 
2012-08-01 02:38:29 PM

Bonkthat_Again: The article mentioned she wasn't always a swimmer. One of her teachers suggested it after observing she had large hands and feet for a girl her size.
Simple physics tells us she should be naturally faster than most other competitors. It is entirely believable this girl hit her peak at the right time....and is perhaps the greatest swimmer of all time. Unfortunately, the Chinese record of doping puts a foul smell on on otherwise remarkable athletic performance.


she could have been doping for YEARS ahead of beginning her training or before any of her testing.
If only there were some way to have monthly test for every year of her life. LOL
 
2012-08-01 02:40:12 PM

Magorn: For a man? no. For a woman? Yes. Puberty could explain a performance jump like that but 15 is awfully late to go through puberty for a woman, and the post-pubescent muscle mass change males get is one thing, but women don't get nearly as much, given that its largely testosterone based..


right
because there are no conditions which cause women to go through late puberty.
LOLOLOLOLOL

I know TONS of women who went through puberty late in life. from pituitary tumors to extreme athletes.
whatever
 
2012-08-01 03:10:29 PM
Show me some stats of the female gold medal winner's final 50 split vs the top 5 men in the same olympics/championship and we'll see if it's ever been done before.
 
2012-08-01 03:12:26 PM
It's China, we HAVE to believe what they say.

/because they own us.
 
2012-08-01 03:13:58 PM
Phelps shaved 3-4 seconds off his best times during those same ages. I'm just saying.
 
2012-08-01 03:15:18 PM

I_C_Weener: RexTalionis: Magorn: Perhaps, but considering this girl has shaved 5 seconds off her personal best in 1 YEAR

Is it really so unbelievable that a girl can shave 5 seconds off their best in 1 year? I mean, last year, she was 15. I don't know if you remember when you were that age, but I gained a lot of inches in height between 15 and 16 as well as a lot more muscle.

In swimming, shaving a second off in a year is amazing. I don't know much about it but at this level, that would be extraordinary. Not impossible, or even unprecedented, but extraordinary.


I believe that from my sophomore year to my junior year in high school, I dropped about 15 seconds in my 500 free. That said, I was nowhere near world-class ability at that time, but it is still possible.
 
2012-08-01 03:17:12 PM

I_C_Weener: Is she as hairy as an East German female athlete? No. Then she's as innocent as old one ball Armstrong.


maybe it's not drugs, but a secret chinese program of selective breeding and gene manipulation. OMG!! the rise of the frankenpeople!!!
 
2012-08-01 03:17:52 PM
I swam in high school. At 14, my best time in the 50 free was 45 seconds. At 15, I got it down to 38 seconds. Lots of changes going on in your teen years. Of course, I went from about 5'6" to 5'11" in that year.
 
2012-08-01 03:19:33 PM

A Fark Handle: I_C_Weener: Is she as hairy as an East German female athlete? No. Then she's as innocent as old one ball Armstrong.

maybe it's not drugs, but a secret chinese program of selective breeding and gene manipulation. OMG!! the rise of the frankenpeople!!!


I still think we should have continued our Thalidomide Flipper program. But noooo, Mark Spitz showed us we didn't need penguin children to win in swimming.
 
2012-08-01 03:20:31 PM
I'm more concerned about the outboard motor attached to her swimsuit.
 
2012-08-01 03:20:39 PM

Yukon Cornelius: I swam in high school. At 14, my best time in the 50 free was 45 seconds. At 15, I got it down to 38 seconds. Lots of changes going on in your teen years. Of course, I went from about 5'6" to 5'11" in that year.


The difference is those 5 seconds she shaved off made it a world record. Yes, everyone shaves off time as they grow and train, but when yoou shave off 5 seconds in one year, and that qualifies it for a world record, that is insane. Not impossible, but freakin insane.
 
2012-08-01 03:22:37 PM
Of course someone can swim in China, there is like 4 trillion people over there.........geeez people
 
2012-08-01 03:23:01 PM
Fark China. Kissinger should never have cut the deal to give them Haber-Bosch, should've let them starve. Shop Wal-Mart!
 
2012-08-01 03:24:02 PM

scottydoesntknow: Yukon Cornelius: I swam in high school. At 14, my best time in the 50 free was 45 seconds. At 15, I got it down to 38 seconds. Lots of changes going on in your teen years. Of course, I went from about 5'6" to 5'11" in that year.

The difference is those 5 seconds she shaved off made it a world record. Yes, everyone shaves off time as they grow and train, but when yoou shave off 5 seconds in one year, and that qualifies it for a world record, that is insane. Not impossible, but freakin insane.


She was bob beamon for a lap. Who cares. Her other spits have not been nearly as amazing.
 
2012-08-01 03:24:41 PM
I think the big stat is she broke the WR by a full second and the WR was set when the high-tech suits were being used a few years back and it's the only female WR to fall since.

It most of the events I've seen, nobody is really close to WR time this olympics when last olympics they were crushing WRs due to the suits.
 
2012-08-01 03:25:01 PM

Magorn: cmunic8r99: Since she hasn't tested positive for performance enhancing drugs, perhaps they should be upset.

Perhaps, but considering this girl has shaved 5 seconds off her personal best in 1 YEAR, AND broke the world record by more than 1 second, the first woman to break a world record set with those "special" swinsuits that were used in Beijing let's just say the more likely outcome is the chinese have developed a new undetectable form of doping.


I think they clone their athletes in some farm underneath the mountains.
 
2012-08-01 03:25:09 PM
She didn't take drugs, but she hasn't passed her gender test yet
 
2012-08-01 03:25:37 PM

Slives: Personally I think she is clean. China is working very hard on its image as one of the greatest countries in the world. I don't think their leadership would be willing to risk doping their athletes and getting caught at it.
Just one or two cases would ruin it for every Chinese athlete for years to come.


They already caught one of their swimmers doping, so there goes that theory.

FTFA: after world champion Li Zhesi tested positive in June and was banned from competing in London.
 
2012-08-01 03:25:49 PM

scottydoesntknow: Yukon Cornelius: I swam in high school. At 14, my best time in the 50 free was 45 seconds. At 15, I got it down to 38 seconds. Lots of changes going on in your teen years. Of course, I went from about 5'6" to 5'11" in that year.

The difference is those 5 seconds she shaved off made it a world record. Yes, everyone shaves off time as they grow and train, but when yoou shave off 5 seconds in one year, and that qualifies it for a world record, that is insane. Not impossible, but freakin insane.


At the 2002 Pan Pacific Games, Michael Phelps went 1:59.70 in the 200 IM to win the race. Less than a year later, he had broken the world record in that race four times and lowered it to 1:55.94.
 
2012-08-01 03:26:00 PM

Slives: Personally I think she is clean. China is working very hard on its image as one of the greatest countries in the world. I don't think their leadership would be willing to risk doping their athletes and getting caught at it.
Just one or two cases would ruin it for every Chinese athlete for years to come.


Indeed. I think it's very honorable that they lovingly craft false birth certificates for their gymnastics teams.
 
2012-08-01 03:26:46 PM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: Phelps shaved 3-4 seconds off his best times during those same ages. I'm just saying.


Phelps is a dude, and puberty in guys includes tons of testosterone, muscle growth, growth spurts, etc. Females.....not so much. Sure, they improve, but I still call bs on such drastic improvement at such a young age. 15 year old girls don't look like Arnold Schwarzenegger naturally.
 
2012-08-01 03:26:51 PM
 
2012-08-01 03:27:18 PM

Serious Black: scottydoesntknow: Yukon Cornelius: I swam in high school. At 14, my best time in the 50 free was 45 seconds. At 15, I got it down to 38 seconds. Lots of changes going on in your teen years. Of course, I went from about 5'6" to 5'11" in that year.

The difference is those 5 seconds she shaved off made it a world record. Yes, everyone shaves off time as they grow and train, but when yoou shave off 5 seconds in one year, and that qualifies it for a world record, that is insane. Not impossible, but freakin insane.

At the 2002 Pan Pacific Games, Michael Phelps went 1:59.70 in the 200 IM to win the race. Less than a year later, he had broken the world record in that race four times and lowered it to 1:55.94.


Are we entirely sure that he is not....Chinese?
 
2012-08-01 03:27:40 PM
Article shows her above the waist, maybe she is half shark like that sharktapuss movie.
 
2012-08-01 03:27:58 PM

Serious Black: scottydoesntknow: Yukon Cornelius: I swam in high school. At 14, my best time in the 50 free was 45 seconds. At 15, I got it down to 38 seconds. Lots of changes going on in your teen years. Of course, I went from about 5'6" to 5'11" in that year.

The difference is those 5 seconds she shaved off made it a world record. Yes, everyone shaves off time as they grow and train, but when yoou shave off 5 seconds in one year, and that qualifies it for a world record, that is insane. Not impossible, but freakin insane.

At the 2002 Pan Pacific Games, Michael Phelps went 1:59.70 in the 200 IM to win the race. Less than a year later, he had broken the world record in that race four times and lowered it to 1:55.94.


He doesn't want to hear that. Someone posted a list of Intl level 4 second improvements in the last 4 years the other day. People say it doesn't happen -they are simply incorrect.
 
2012-08-01 03:28:09 PM
Are there stories in other countries every olympics about how we only win because we cheat too? Anytime China does well, there are stories about how they are probably cheating.
 
2012-08-01 03:28:09 PM
FWIW, this is an interesting take on the matter: Link
 
2012-08-01 03:29:35 PM

MugzyBrown: I think the big stat is she broke the WR by a full second and the WR was set when the high-tech suits were being used a few years back and it's the only female WR to fall since.

It most of the events I've seen, nobody is really close to WR time this olympics when last olympics they were crushing WRs due to the suits.


Actually, there have been a number of world records set. Through yesterday, other than the Chinese girl's 400 IM, Dana Vollmer got the 100 fly record, and Cameron van der Burgh got the 100 breast record. I'd bet there will be at least two or three more by the end of the meet.
 
2012-08-01 03:30:19 PM
Good. Time to dump womens events and just have swimming events. Run with whatever genitalia youve got.
 
2012-08-01 03:31:01 PM

A Fark Handle: maybe it's not drugs, but a secret chinese program of selective breeding and gene manipulation. OMG!! the rise of the frankenpeople!!!


Not exactly off base. Yao Ming's parents were national basketball players. Their marriage was arranged because it was thought that their children would also be superior basketball players.
 
2012-08-01 03:32:21 PM

I_C_Weener: A Fark Handle: I_C_Weener: Is she as hairy as an East German female athlete? No. Then she's as innocent as old one ball Armstrong.

maybe it's not drugs, but a secret chinese program of selective breeding and gene manipulation. OMG!! the rise of the frankenpeople!!!

I still think we should have continued our Thalidomide Flipper program. But noooo, Mark Spitz showed us we didn't need penguin children to win in swimming.


yeah, but most of those only had one flipper and just swam in circles. and that's not going to get the job done in the olympics.
 
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