I don't care if a white man marries a white woman....it doesn't affect me or my life at all. I don't care if a black man marries a black woman. I don't care if a white guy marries an asian woman. I don't care if a white man marries a black woman. None of those scenarios will affect my life, at all, ever. I also don't care if two gay people marry each other.....it will not, under any circumstances, affect my life. The relationship between me and my wife will not be affected....we won't pay more in taxes, the sky will still be blue, my salary won't change, and my neighbor's motorcycle will continue to be just as noisy as before. God will not strike me down just because I refuse to treat a fellow human being like trash just because that person is gay, and I will also refuse to treat YOU like trash just because your opinions do not align with my own. I say live and let live. Be happy with your own life, and leave the lives of others to be lived as they see fit. Why would you want to live your life constantly getting worked up about what someone else is doing? Don't you have something else to do?

LineNoise: Because People in power are Stupid: Oh yes, the cherry picking of "biblical principles"

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They are obviously engaged in following the bible and not just playing into some right wing screed.

Not to defend chik-fil-a, but whomever made that poster understands less about theology than the guys who run chik-fil-a.

Stuff like jewish dietary restrictions imposed by the old testament don't apply to Christians. Jesus was pretty clear on that.

Exactly. When you're trying to attract new customers, you've got to improve your value proposition. Jesus marketed his religion as a path to heaven. Mohammed upped the deal by filling the place with virgins so you can do 72 chicks... at the same time, man. Joseph Smith didn't even make you wait for Heaven. He said you could get all the hos you wanted right now on Earth.

propasaurus:

Look, I know you're trolling, but seriously, you think nobody is using Leviticus 20:13 as the Biblical basis for anti-gay sentiments?

FailTat:



Leviticus 18:22: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 19:28: Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.

LineNoise: uhh, because if you are christian, Jesus IS god, and is allowed to change the rules if he wants.

Why would an all-knowing God need to change the rules? Wouldn't he get the rules right from the beginning?

LineNoise: Prevailing Wind: LineNoise: Because People in power are Stupid: Oh yes, the cherry picking of "biblical principles"

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They are obviously engaged in following the bible and not just playing into some right wing screed.

Not to defend chik-fil-a, but whomever made that poster understands less about theology than the guys who run chik-fil-a.

Stuff like jewish dietary restrictions imposed by the old testament don't apply to Christians. Jesus was pretty clear on that.

And where did he get real clear on the "gheys must not eat chicken" bit?

He didn't. And as far as I know chik-fil-a isn't refusing to serve or hire or anything else the gays. Just that their owner gives to a cause that is anti-gay marriage.

Jesus himself never directly spells out his thoughts on stuff like gay marriage in the bible, so most of the christian thinking comes from other books of the bible outside of the gospel. Mainly the letters of paul, who was clearly not a big fan of the fabulous people.

Again, the guy who runs chik-fil-a is a douche, but people trying to counter his view by pointing out "how he is wrong" and how much smarter they are by using things like dragging up jewish dietary or marriage laws make themselves look dumb as well and hurt the argument.

Stuff like rules in Leviticus was only meant to apply to a very select group of people. The bible, both old and new testament, is very clear on that.


Ummmm no.

Jewish Dietary Laws - Old Testament Crap.
Hatin on the Homos - Old Testament Crap.

They're pretty much the same bunch of derp.

Jesus never even mentioned homosexuality. Paul did three times, but only in his capacity as a former pharisee, not as epistolary for the Big J.

i.e. His comments reflected his old testament education and not ANYTHING mentioned by Jesus.

The bible is very clear on that.

or possibly this...

sweetmelissa31: This picture alone should make you want to avoid Chick-Fil-A:

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Because of... the cars? The beige facade? The blue sky? The two older people?

Seriously -- what exactly do you see wrong there? That picture is about as inoffensively bland as it gets.

It's funny how I, a bisexual athiest, show more love, caring, tolerance, and compassion than a supposedly omnipotent being, his supposedly infalliable book, and his supposedly dedicated followers.

It's sad how people keep spouting off about "freedom of speech" when there's been money given to hate groups actively trying to keep American citizens in second-class status.

It's ironic to see people that applaud boycotting a theme park for something it doesn't control screaming about others boycotting a food franchise whose owner actively contributes to hate and bigotry.

It's terrifying that there are still people, in this supposedly most powerful, most advanced, and most first-class nation on Earth, who still demand that others be discriminated against for being slightly different than they are.

Maybe one day we'll finally grow up, stop fighting over trivial things, realize that two consenting adults who love each other harms no one in any way, and allow everyone to share the same rights and freedoms in ths "land of the free", "where all men are created equal".

Clemkadidlefark: Because of Hate and Intolerance Chick Fil a is enjoying the single greatest day of sales ever

Thanks Haters!

/wow should see the traffic backup
//wowow should see the lines out the door

I am very happy to see it.

Chik--Fil--A's owner has just as much right to his opinion as anyone else in the world, and when the haters try to shut down his business because he excercises his right to free speech, decent people who believe in freedom are obligated to support his rights.

\\\ and they make a good sandwich.

Uncle Tractor: LineNoise: here does the Bible say that?

the old rules were part of the covenant between jesus and the original tribes of israel. Jesus was pretty clear that his purpose was to form a new covenant between him and all of mankind.

OK. So where does the Bible say that?

Matthew 5: 17
New International Version (©1984)
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

New Living Translation (©2007)
"Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose.

English Standard Version (©2001)
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

International Standard Version (©2008)
"Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I didn't come to destroy them, but to fulfill them,

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
Do not think that I have come to revoke The Written Law or The Prophets; I am not come to revoke but to fulfill.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
"Don't ever think that I came to set aside Moses' Teachings or the Prophets. I didn't come to set them aside but to make them come true.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

American King James Version
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

American Standard Version
Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Do not think that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

Darby Bible Translation
Think not that I am come to make void the law or the prophets; I am not come to make void, but to fulfil.

English Revised Version
Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfill.

Webster's Bible Translation
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

Weymouth New Testament
"Do not for a moment suppose that I have come to abrogate the Law or the Prophets: I have not come to abrogate them but to give them their completion.

World English Bible
"Don't think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn't come to destroy, but to fulfill.

Young's Literal Translation
'Do not suppose that I came to throw down the law or the prophets -- I did not come to throw down, but to fulfil;

Rush's_pills: Sid_the_sadist: What most of you ignorant farks don't understand is that this CFA thing has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH GAY MARRIAGE!. I don't give a fark who wants to get married, do it, I don't care. This is about Freedom of Speech. One person says they don't agree with gay marriage, and that person is the CEO of a big chicken sandwich store, "OH NO! You can't say that! you're intolerant! Boycott the chicken store!!"

Millions of people are eating there today to show support. This is America, we can say what we want. if you don't agree, don't buy the farking sandwich! Otherwise, shut the fark up and get on with your life.
Death threats against the Christian CEO of a Christian Company that operates under Christian values (ever tried to get Chik-Fil-A on a Sunday?) because he has Christian views on marriage in the name of tolerance? Really? Fail

Wrong. Freedom of speech is protection from THE GOVERNMENT punishing you for what you say. It does not mean that you say whatever you want with no response from others.

This has nothing to do with free speech. It has everything to do with individuals deciding that they will not give a dime to a company that funds anti-gay organizations. I thought the use of pickles on a chicken sandwich was enough to stay away from their sandwiches, but the support arcane anti-gay groups has sealed the deal.

If that is the case, it would appear that millions of uninformed individuals support the rights of the CEO because that's what they believe this whole thing to be about.

And what about the mayors of Chicago, San Francisco, Boston and Washington, D.C. that said they wouldn't allow a CFA to be built? Isn't that the "Government punishing them for what they said"?

Void_Beavis: This whole thing is getting rediculosly out of hand.

Want to eat chicken sandwiches at a business run by conservative Christians? Fine.

Don't want to? Fine.

Want to be gay and get married? Fine.

I have a brilliant idea. How about people do whatever they want and mind their own farking business?

This is why people are PO'd with the chicken hawker. The fact that he is anti-gay marriage is his own deal. However, he and his company donate millions of dollars to organizations that actively fight against legalizing gay marriage.

To be clear...
Having beliefs=FINE
Actively engaging the political process in order to discriminate=BULLSHIATE

Bruce Campbell: You will [pay more taxes]. FICA will have to go up to account for an influx of survivorship benefits for previous unrecognized partners.

Taxes won't go up. Heterosexuals will just lose the special subsidies they awarded themselves and their families at the expense of gays and their families.

kukukupo: Person 1: I believe marriage is defined as one man and one woman.
Gay Person: OMG YOU HATE US!

Bullshiat.

What gay people have been saying -- if you'd ever bothered to listen -- is this:

Gay Person: You can believe whatever you like. However, the right to a civil marriage with the partner of one's choice is a fundamental right. A fundamental right is a right possessed by virtue of being human, and is the sort of right our foundational documents call "inalienable" -- which means they cannot be taken away; not by statute, not by amendment, not by "majority rules."

When you deny us our fundamental rights, you are denying that we are even humans, worthy of rights. That is incredibly offensive.

Moreover, to deny us our rights on the basis of your religious beliefs is a violation of the First Amendment's Establishment Clause, the Fourteenth Amendment's Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses, and also denies us our Constitutional guarantee to enjoy the legal Privileges and Immunities of the several states. Whatever the Bible says, it doesn't legally trump the Constitution. Really. It doesn't.

We are not demanding access to sacramental marriage. We are demanding access to civil marriage. Your religion remains free to be as bigoted as it wants. Nothing changes with regard to the free exercise of religion. However, for the same reason the government may not determine who is worthy of a religion's sacraments, religion may not determine who is worthy of a civil marriage.

So get your theocratic authoritarian boot off my neck now. Please.

Person 2: I believe I have a right to be generally free from religious harassment, nuisance and intimidation. If I want to hear about your religion, I'll visit your church.
Religious person: OMG YOU HATE US!

The problem is that religious people claim "persecution!" every time they can't have everything on their terms.

Not that I imagine a rational argument will dissuade you from your commitment to believing this false equivalency.

StoPPeRmobile: groppet: Jeez people never learn. This is like when you see Fox news ranting about some TV show,movie, video game, anything and the right gets all up in arms to boycott it and the product gets a shiat ton of free advertising and makes a mint. If you dont like it just dont go, you dont have to make a huge public statement about it.

Justifying your chikfila fatness, I see.

Nope I dont eat there. I support gay rights. If you dont like it dont go, vote with your dollars.

LineNoise: My point is there are better arguments to use if you are trying to approach this from a theological perspective.

This "Theology" bullshiat is an utter waste of humanity's time. It has around the same level of basis in fact as Astrology. The main difference being that whereas Astrology only results in a few morans reading their horoscopes in the newspaper over breakfast, "Theology" and religion in general results in billions of man-hours wasted every farking week.

Every time some idiot bows in the direction of Mecca or sings a hymn in church, that's a farking waste of time that is detrimental to the human condition.

We'd have cured cancer or put a man on Mars by now if it wasn't for this "Theology" crap.

Jeez people never learn. This is like when you see Fox news ranting about some TV show,movie, video game, anything and the right gets all up in arms to boycott it and the product gets a shiat ton of free advertising and makes a mint. If you dont like it just dont go, you dont have to make a huge public statement about it.

sweetmelissa31: gerrymander: Seriously -- what exactly do you see wrong there? That picture is about as inoffensively bland as it gets.

There is an obese person waddling away with her food. The joke is that if you eat at Chick-fil-A you will become obese. Because the food is unhealthful.

I see! This is why everyone should listen to you -- you're so much better a person, what with the not passing judgement on how other people live their lives, especially when their lifestyles don't affect you personally at all. Not at all like that horrible, terrible president of Chick-fil-A. Go, you!

LineNoise: Again though, that was the whole point of jesus, who, if you are christian, is god. His entire message was, "Here is a new agreement between us, that works for everyone, not just the jews". like someone said above, he was upping his marketing and launching a new brand. He kept some of the principles and rules from the old one, sure, but he was pretty clear as to which, if you believe the new testament to be the inspired word of god.

Have you even read The Bible?

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
Matt 5:17 (KJV)

Dude didn't even MENTION gay marriage or talk about homosexuality at all and made some rather conciliatory statements, actually, and the left just went UNHINGED. Just besides themselves with hate!

I'll be eating there today just to spite THOSE guys.

LineNoise: Stuff like rules in Leviticus was only meant to apply to a very select group of people. The bible, both old and new testament, is very clear on that.



If God was willing to compel that very select group of people to murder/exile their neighbors for those actions, don't you think that same God may still not be down with those actions in general?

It annoys me when new-agey Christians blow off the brutality of Old Testament God ... you know, the one that killed Egyptian babies and kinda killed every living thing on the face of the planet (save the ark) on a do-over, and more.

If you believe the Bible is the Word of God, deal with it and accept it all, don't cherry-pick for convenience and progressive modern sensibilities.

/agnostic
//whee!

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I can't see this going as well as they're planning it.

This.

You know it. I know it.

Also I have to wonder what is the hopeful outcome of all this. I know Huckabee called for a "Chik-fil-A appreciation day", and no doubt many Republicans and True Believers will follow suit. But this won't win hearts and minds, even if the lesbians are hot. If it's to stick it to the bigots, this will only reinforce their bigotry against gays. I'm not siding with Chik-fil-A, but I just don't see this protest as being the least bit productive.

LineNoise: Because People in power are Stupid: Oh yes, the cherry picking of "biblical principles"

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They are obviously engaged in following the bible and not just playing into some right wing screed.

Not to defend chik-fil-a, but whomever made that poster understands less about theology than the guys who run chik-fil-a.

Stuff like jewish dietary restrictions imposed by the old testament don't apply to Christians. Jesus was pretty clear on that.

Hence the "disposable when inconvenient for us". It's almost as if... the gospels were written decades after his death, by those who never knew him, but had an agenda.

LineNoise: Not to defend chik-fil-a, but whomever made that poster understands less about theology than the guys who run chik-fil-a.

Stuff like jewish dietary restrictions imposed by the old testament don't apply to Christians. Jesus was pretty clear on that.

I know you're right about what the Bible says, but why is it that the divine, unerring Word of God can be dismissed by other statements in the same Bible? I know Christians tend to dismiss the OT, but it just doesn't seem logical to do so. It's the most holy book that can ever exist in Christianity, and half of it is ignored. What is the rationale?

It's an honest question, if there are any takers.

Aaaaaw yeaaaah.

So, in other words, 2 competing groups of attention whores are going to effectively reduce the dialogue about a serious issue to a bad reality-tv show. Awesome.

Fun fact: Nowhere in the Bible does it say that lesbianism is sinful.

Because People in power are Stupid: Oh yes, the cherry picking of "biblical principles"

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They are obviously engaged in following the bible and not just playing into some right wing screed.

Christian, not Jewish. The Bible does actually say that you don't have to follow the old rules any more because, you know, Jesus.

Or perhaps this

gerrymander: sweetmelissa31: This picture alone should make you want to avoid Chick-Fil-A:

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Because of... the cars? The beige facade? The blue sky? The two older people?

Seriously -- what exactly do you see wrong there? That picture is about as inoffensively bland as it gets.

Probably the obese midwestern American waddling away.

It's become so common-place, it doesn't even stick out anymore.

/the kissing protest at another fast food joint is a fantastic idea and what they should've done