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2012-08-01 02:49:05 PM
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2012-08-01 02:49:29 PM

glassgnost: meanmutton: Because People in power are Stupid: Oh yes, the cherry picking of "biblical principles"

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They are obviously engaged in following the bible and not just playing into some right wing screed.

Christian, not Jewish. The Bible does actually say that you don't have to follow the old rules any more because, you know, Jesus.

Then these Fundies turn around and say you do because, y'know, control fear


Power and greed motivate the hypocritical preachers.

They use fear to motivate their willfully ignorant followers.
 
2012-08-01 02:49:40 PM
blah blah, wall of text, blah blah, wall of text, blah blah... why isn't this thread full of hot girls kissing???? You can never have too many hot girls kissing!
 
2012-08-01 02:49:42 PM
LineNoise: Again though, that was the whole point of jesus, who, if you are christian, is god. His entire message was, "Here is a new agreement between us, that works for everyone, not just the jews". like someone said above, he was upping his marketing and launching a new brand. He kept some of the principles and rules from the old one, sure, but he was pretty clear as to which, if you believe the new testament to be the inspired word of god.

StoPPeRmobile: Have you even read The Bible?

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
Matt 5:17 (KJV)


Have you?

"Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith." --Galatians 3:23-26 English Standard Version (ESV)

Like with so many other issues, the Bible contradicts itself, or at least appears to. You can find a verse to back up almost any position. "The devil can cite scripture for his purpose" -- You should go see The Merchant of Venice sometime.
 
2012-08-01 02:51:36 PM

sammyk: Just how am I a bigot?


Imagine your neighbors voted you out of your constitution. Imagine yourself legally barred from enjoying a constellation of important legal protections. Imagine you are required to pay extra taxes at higher rates than other similarly situated people. Imagine your employer disqualifies you from most of the really valuable benefits that come with your job. Imagine yourself barred from adopting the child you love deeply. Imagine yourself barred from marrying the love of your life. Imagine them being deported because you have been singled out as a person who merits fewer rights than other people.

Now, imagine me not giving a shiat that you (and people like you) are getting screwed left and right coming and going...because y'know, even though I'm doing fine, I could be doing better and my priority is me. And yeah, I realize people like me created your predicament, but it's your problem to solve. But hey, best wishes and good luck with it.

If you really believe that that attitude is morally unassailable, you probably need to have your empathy reservoir checked. You're a bit low.
 
2012-08-01 02:52:03 PM
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2012-08-01 02:54:57 PM

Rush's_pills: psychicdeath99: tekmo: Void_Beavis: Want to eat chicken sandwiches at a business run by conservative Christians? Fine. I have a brilliant idea. How about people do whatever they want and mind their own farking business?

Fair enough.

How about conservative Christians like the CEO of CFA start minding their own business and stop financing religious fundamentalist political groups devoted to legally persecuting their fellow citizens who are, incidentally, gay?

Um, because it is their right as US citizens to support and contribute money to any political groups they care to, regardless of whether you like them or not?

If you don't like his politics, then you are free to write letters, organize boycotts, stage (peaceful and legal) protests and many other actions. Hell, you can even found your own fast food chicken chain and compete with Chick-Fil-A in the marketplace.

Pesky thing that First Amendment. It doesn't just protect you, but also people whose views you find repugnant.

Agreed. But the "It's OK to have an opinion" defense is also invalid. This company actively participates in the denial of rights to a segment of Americans.

It's OK not to care that a very small portion of your waffle-fry money goes to groups that seek to continue an ugly chapter of American bigotry. But don't get butthurt when lots of people are upset with these clowns and choose to do all that they can to make life hard for this company.


How about no. The marketplace of ideas (and in this case finances) will decide whether or not his opinions are valid or invalid. His company will suffer or prosper accordingly.

Any number of vile opinions are protected. The KKK, Black Panther Party, NAMBLA and many other organizations are perfectly legal. Just because I find the views they hold to be evil doesn't take away their right to espouse them.

As for making their lives hard, I assume you're talking about legal means, not vandalism or violence.
 
2012-08-01 02:55:44 PM

glassgnost: [img11.imageshack.us image 640x468]



Not sure if aroused or just hungry...
 
2012-08-01 02:56:40 PM

propasaurus: So, rules laid out in Leviticus regarding dietary restrictions are out because Jesus superseded the Old Testament. Rules laid out in Leviticus regarding man-on-man love are still in because the entire Bible is the inerrant infallible Word of God.


That is how some Christians think, yes.


imtheonlylp: serious questions here:
- If the people who show up friday to CFA to protest aren't buying anything, can't they be cited for loitering?
- If so, doesn't CFA win? If they go there and buy something instead, doesn't CFA win as well? So I'm not getting the point here.


I'm reasonably sure "Protesters arrested at Chik-Fil-A" in the headlines isn't what CFA wants. That said, I'm not sure that this form of protest is the smartest move on the part of my gay sistren.

/it's a word
//perfectly cromulent
 
2012-08-01 02:58:23 PM

Rapmaster2000: propasaurus:

Look, I know you're trolling, but seriously, you think nobody is using Leviticus 20:13 as the Biblical basis for anti-gay sentiments?

FailTat:

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Leviticus 18:22: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 19:28: Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.


I'm gonna get Leviticus 19:28 tattooed on my arm. It'll be totally meta.
 
2012-08-01 03:00:01 PM
I wonder how many chicken sandwiches you have to eat before you practically puke at the sight of chicken.
 
2012-08-01 03:00:27 PM

psychicdeath99: it is their right as US citizens to support and contribute money to any political groups they care to


Oh really?

Regardless, in your haste to pontificate, you've ignored the point of my post. Since it's somehow unclear, I'll explain in small words: "'mind your own business' necessarily implies 'stop attacking other people.'"
 
2012-08-01 03:00:46 PM
I'm going to take a stand here. I think it is okay for gays and lesbians to eat chicken sandwiches in the same restaurant as me.
 
2012-08-01 03:00:46 PM

Rapmaster2000: Leviticus 18:22: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.


...see, I take this to mean that it's perfectly ok to lie to women, just not to men. And who among us hasn't lied to women?

/why yes, I am a famous producer -- you can audition on this couch
 
2012-08-01 03:03:30 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Oh yes, the cherry picking of "biblical principles"

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They are obviously engaged in following the bible and not just playing into some right wing screed.


Mark 7:14-15: Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them."

If you're going to to attack "Christian principles" at least use the New Testament. You know, that whole Christ thing. Not Levitican law that only pertains to Jews. Thanks for playing though.
 
2012-08-01 03:06:04 PM

I_C_Weener: I'm going to take a stand here. I think it is okay for gays and lesbians to eat chicken sandwiches in the same restaurant as me.


Sweet! I'll take the legs. You can have the breasts and thighs. Then. maybe we can have some chicken!
 
2012-08-01 03:06:51 PM

TerminalEchoes: Mark 7:14-15: Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them."

If you're going to to attack "Christian principles" at least use the New Testament. You know, that whole Christ thing. Not Levitican law that only pertains to Jews. Thanks for playing though.



...so does that mean that only Jews should be against homosexuality, since the anti-gay bit is in Leviticus too?
 
2012-08-01 03:07:10 PM

Buttknuckle: I_C_Weener: I'm going to take a stand here. I think it is okay for gays and lesbians to eat chicken sandwiches in the same restaurant as me.

Sweet! I'll take the legs. You can have the breasts and thighs. Then. maybe we can have some chicken!


Yay! We can all get along. You can have the legs...that is dark meat. I don't want nothing dark near me.

/sarcasm people!!!
 
2012-08-01 03:07:55 PM

meanmutton: The Bible does actually say that you don't have to follow the old rules any more because, you know, Jesus.


Great so that part about coveting my neighbor's wife is now OK. Wait till my neighbor finds out.

And if my understanding of Biblical principle's is correct (it is) -it's not that the rules of the Old Testament are null and void it's that believers in JC are "forgiven" (Not to be confused with the "other gods" forbidden in the first commandment).
 
2012-08-01 03:08:05 PM
Bruce Campbell:

Oh I get it --- you're a petulant, whiny little child who isn't responsible for anything.

I see that my mistake was trying to explain something complicated to you.

You win!
 
2012-08-01 03:09:09 PM
You know who else liked delicious chicken? Not Jesus. He ate fish. He was a Long John Silver's man.
 
2012-08-01 03:09:29 PM

Mugato: LineNoise: Stuff like jewish dietary restrictions imposed by the old testament don't apply to Christians. Jesus was pretty clear on that.

Do you have any idea how farking retarded that sounds?


Why? Because it makes perfect sense? You lost. Deal with it.
 
2012-08-01 03:12:42 PM

tekmo: Persnickety: "Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood...

Observe at the context surrounding "sexual immorality" -- idol-worship, drinking blood, and certain types of animal sacrifice. Here, they're saying would-be Christians must refrain from engaging in specific religious practices. Among those religious practices is ritual sex, which was practiced variously in several popular first-century cults.

Thus, "ritual sex" is a far better translation than "sexual immorality" or the other far more deliberately homophobic mistranslations.


[citation needed]

I checked over a dozen translations and not one of them came up with anything close to "ritual sex". "Fornication" and "sexual sins" were the next most popular wordings after "sexual immorality".

Also, your contention that the entire passage relates only to religious practices does not seem to hold up with alternate translations. The dietary restrictions on not eating blood or strangled animals are stated simply and directly and without any tie in to rituals of any kind.


It most certainly doesn't say that gay people may not forge loving relationships with each other, nor does it say "God says America must ban gays from marriage."

Not even close.


How do mean? The issue being discussed was which parts of the old law are applicable to Christians and the judgment was that the above four categories were the only ones that still mattered. How is that not even close?
 
2012-08-01 03:12:47 PM

TerminalEchoes: Mark 7:14-15: Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them."

If you're going to to attack "Christian principles" at least use the New Testament. You know, that whole Christ thing. Not Levitican law that only pertains to Jews. Thanks for playing though.



Thanks liar.

The bible quote in context (you have handily removed the context from this quote) is about hand washing and does not permit the eating of delicious bacon.

7 The Pharisees and some of the teachers of the law who had come from Jerusalem gathered around Jesus 2 and saw some of his disciples eating food with hands that were defiled, that is, unwashed. 3 (The Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they give their hands a ceremonial washing, holding to the tradition of the elders. 4 When they come from the marketplace they do not eat unless they wash. And they observe many other traditions, such as the washing of cups, pitchers and kettles.[a])

5 So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, "Why don't your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with defiled hands?"

6 He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:

"'These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.'

8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions."


But hey, it's nice (and profitable) to be a fake Christian.
 
2012-08-01 03:13:52 PM
It's working. Folks are lined up all the way down the block to catch a glimpse of hot lesbian chicks kissing.

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2012-08-01 03:15:20 PM

jshine: TerminalEchoes: Mark 7:14-15: Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them."

If you're going to to attack "Christian principles" at least use the New Testament. You know, that whole Christ thing. Not Levitican law that only pertains to Jews. Thanks for playing though.


...so does that mean that only Jews should be against homosexuality, since the anti-gay bit is in Leviticus too?


You're trying to dodge the main point, predictably, but I'll bite. I'm one of those "weird" Christians, one who only follows what's written in red, ie: what Jesus says. Jesus does not discuss homosexuality so I don't understand why other Christians would try to speak for Jesus. While there are other passages in the New Testament that do speak against teh homosecks, they are not the words of Jesus and therefore should be dismissed or ignored entirely.

To answer your question more directly, religiously speaking, yes only Jews have a divine mandate to be against homosexuality. Christians can also be against it from a morale point of view but not a religious one, if they truly follow Jesus. Instead of hatred, they--myself included--should be practicing tolerance and love. That's what Jesus wants.
 
2012-08-01 03:16:10 PM
Jesus didn't say anything about pedofiles. I'm pretty sure he was ok with them. Oh and movie downloaders.
 
2012-08-01 03:17:50 PM

tekmo: Oh I get it --- you're a petulant, whiny little child who isn't responsible for anything.

I see that my mistake was trying to explain something complicated to you.


You got that backwards.
 
2012-08-01 03:18:31 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: TerminalEchoes: Mark 7:14-15: Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them."

If you're going to to attack "Christian principles" at least use the New Testament. You know, that whole Christ thing. Not Levitican law that only pertains to Jews. Thanks for playing though.


Thanks liar.

The bible quote in context (you have handily removed the context from this quote) is about hand washing and does not permit the eating of delicious bacon.

7 The Pharisees and some of the teachers of the law who had come from Jerusalem gathered around Jesus 2 and saw some of his disciples eating food with hands that were defiled, that is, unwashed. 3 (The Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they give their hands a ceremonial washing, holding to the tradition of the elders. 4 When they come from the marketplace they do not eat unless they wash. And they observe many other traditions, such as the washing of cups, pitchers and kettles.[a])

5 So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, "Why don't your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with defiled hands?"

6 He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:

"'These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.'

8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions."

But hey, it's nice (and profitable) to be a fake Christian.


Try harder. Please re-read verse 15. Nothing means nothing. You're adorable though.
 
2012-08-01 03:19:34 PM

tekmo: psychicdeath99: it is their right as US citizens to support and contribute money to any political groups they care to

Oh really?

Regardless, in your haste to pontificate, you've ignored the point of my post. Since it's somehow unclear, I'll explain in small words: "'mind your own business' necessarily implies 'stop attacking other people.'"


I didn't miss the point. My point is that he can attack other people, so long as he does it legally. So can you. He or you can lobby for any cause you like or against any cause you dislike. Telling him or you to mind your own business is pretty futile.

If you hate his views, I suggest working harder to sway people to your side might be more effective than trying to shut up the other side.
 
2012-08-01 03:20:32 PM

TerminalEchoes: You're trying to dodge the main point, predictably, but I'll bite. I'm one of those "weird" Christians, one who only follows what's written in red, ie: what Jesus says. Jesus does not discuss homosexuality so I don't understand why other Christians would try to speak for Jesus. While there are other passages in the New Testament that do speak against teh homosecks, they are not the words of Jesus and therefore should be dismissed or ignored entirely.

To answer your question more directly, religiously speaking, yes only Jews have a divine mandate to be against homosexuality. Christians can also be against it from a morale point of view but not a religious one, if they truly follow Jesus. Instead of hatred, they--myself included--should be practicing tolerance and love. That's what Jesus wants.



Makes sense.
 
2012-08-01 03:21:08 PM
I'm pretty sure Jesus would have hated waffle fries. I mean, they are pretty terrible.
 
2012-08-01 03:22:05 PM

TerminalEchoes: While there are other passages in the New Testament that do speak against teh homosecks, they are not the words of Jesus and therefore should be dismissed or ignored entirely.


That's the first time I've ever heard anyone say that, and I've been around a TON of BACs. It's an interesting take on whether the Bible is the divine word of God, I'll give you that. How did you determine that the book is infallible when it comes to a certain person speaking, but worthy of dismissal at all other times?
 
2012-08-01 03:22:11 PM

TerminalEchoes:

Try harder. Please re-read verse 15. Nothing means nothing. You're adorable though.


Shouldn't you be casting some stones at gays or something?
 
2012-08-01 03:22:31 PM

doubled99: SubBass49 SmartestFunniest 2012-08-01 02:16:51 PM


doubled99: SubBass49 SmartestFunniest 2012-08-01 02:06:53 PM


Someone I know on Facebook posted a photo from a Chic-Fil-A store with a line like you wouldn't believe...I guess it was linked from James Dobson's facebook page or something...lots of pro-Jesus comments & people support CFA...

so....

I posted this image in the comment thread:



No one cared the first time you posted it.
probably because it's not nearly as clever as you think it is.

Speaking of not being clever, I only posted it once.

Retard...you iz it.



Correction-it wan't you. But it's on page 1 of comments already.
Still not as clever as you think.


And I thought the last person was retarded...

Hey dipshiat, welcome to teh interwebs, where more than one person can post the same exact picture. Reading the name of the person that posted it the first time, and then reading MY name should help you, though that's assuming you know how to read...which I doubt.

Teh dumbs...you haz it in spadez...
 
2012-08-01 03:27:38 PM
Go to Chik Fil-A and Fil-A Chik!
 
2012-08-01 03:31:38 PM

Prevailing Wind: glassgnost: [img11.imageshack.us image 640x468]


Not sure if aroused or just hungry...


Why can't we have both?
 
2012-08-01 03:37:18 PM

midigod: TerminalEchoes: While there are other passages in the New Testament that do speak against teh homosecks, they are not the words of Jesus and therefore should be dismissed or ignored entirely.

That's the first time I've ever heard anyone say that, and I've been around a TON of BACs. It's an interesting take on whether the Bible is the divine word of God, I'll give you that. How did you determine that the book is infallible when it comes to a certain person speaking, but worthy of dismissal at all other times?


I don't think it's logically inconsistent, much like a reporter who reports an incorrect statement. E.g., "Bush says Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.". That statement can be factually accurate in the sense that Bush really did say that (or words to that effect). Whether or not Iraq actually has weapons is separate issue.

Similarly if the Bible reports that "King Bob says gays are bad.", that report may be 100% accurate -- even if "gays are bad" isn't actually what God thinks.

/disclaimer: i am not a religious scholar and don't even really believe in it
 
2012-08-01 03:38:34 PM
SubBass49 SmartestFunniest 2012-08-01 03:22:31 PM


doubled99: SubBass49 SmartestFunniest 2012-08-01 02:16:51 PM


doubled99: SubBass49 SmartestFunniest 2012-08-01 02:06:53 PM


Someone I know on Facebook posted a photo from a Chic-Fil-A store with a line like you wouldn't believe...I guess it was linked from James Dobson's facebook page or something...lots of pro-Jesus comments & people support CFA...

so....

I posted this image in the comment thread:



No one cared the first time you posted it.
probably because it's not nearly as clever as you think it is.

Speaking of not being clever, I only posted it once.

Retard...you iz it.



Correction-it wan't you. But it's on page 1 of comments already.
Still not as clever as you think.

And I thought the last person was retarded...

Hey dipshiat, welcome to teh interwebs, where more than one person can post the same exact picture. Reading the name of the person that posted it the first time, and then reading MY name should help you, though that's assuming you know how to read...which I doubt.

Teh dumbs...you haz it in spadez...




Talk about dumb. You can't even spell! What a retard.
 
2012-08-01 03:39:59 PM
Now I know why my Mom calls this place lick a chick.
 
2012-08-01 03:44:51 PM
When the gays conduct a kiss-in in front of a mosque I will pay attention, until then they are simple hypocrites for targeting only the Christians. They losing support with this childish action.
 
2012-08-01 03:47:42 PM
Well, I never have and never will eat at a Chik-Fil-A restaurant (mostly because I've never lived near one), but I gotta say the protest and counter-protest are the best PR they could ever hope for. I'd like to see their earnings for this quarter. I bet they're through the roof.

1. Start a company
2. Come out against gays
3. Profit off bigots/Christians
 
2012-08-01 03:48:45 PM

LineNoise: Uncle Tractor: LineNoise: Stuff like jewish dietary restrictions imposed by the old testament don't apply to Christians. Jesus was pretty clear on that.

Where does the Bible say that?

the old rules were part of the covenant between jesus and the original tribes of israel. Jesus was pretty clear that his purpose was to form a new covenant between him and all of mankind.


Protip: people who say shiat like that don't really care about the theology of food. They're just haters.
 
2012-08-01 03:50:01 PM
I like how they spell filet phonetically for the rednecks.
 
2012-08-01 03:57:42 PM
What most of you ignorant farks don't understand is that this CFA thing has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH GAY MARRIAGE!. I don't give a fark who wants to get married, do it, I don't care. This is about Freedom of Speech. One person says they don't agree with gay marriage, and that person is the CEO of a big chicken sandwich store, "OH NO! You can't say that! you're intolerant! Boycott the chicken store!!"

Millions of people are eating there today to show support. This is America, we can say what we want. if you don't agree, don't buy the farking sandwich! Otherwise, shut the fark up and get on with your life.
Death threats against the Christian CEO of a Christian Company that operates under Christian values (ever tried to get Chik-Fil-A on a Sunday?) because he has Christian views on marriage in the name of tolerance? Really? Fail
 
2012-08-01 04:01:38 PM

tom35749: When the gays conduct a kiss-in in front of a mosque I will pay attention, until then they are simple hypocrites for targeting only the Christians. They losing support with this childish action.


Dude, you do what you have to do to push progress. I'm all for it.
 
2012-08-01 04:01:56 PM

tekmo: sammyk: Just how am I a bigot?

Imagine your neighbors voted you out of your constitution. Imagine yourself legally barred from enjoying a constellation of important legal protections. Imagine you are required to pay extra taxes at higher rates than other similarly situated people. Imagine your employer disqualifies you from most of the really valuable benefits that come with your job. Imagine yourself barred from adopting the child you love deeply. Imagine yourself barred from marrying the love of your life. Imagine them being deported because you have been singled out as a person who merits fewer rights than other people.

Now, imagine me not giving a shiat that you (and people like you) are getting screwed left and right coming and going...because y'know, even though I'm doing fine, I could be doing better and my priority is me. And yeah, I realize people like me created your predicament, but it's your problem to solve. But hey, best wishes and good luck with it.

If you really believe that that attitude is morally unassailable, you probably need to have your empathy reservoir checked. You're a bit low.


Like I said. You do not know a thing about me. Let me tell you little about me. My wife is bi. I have known since the day I met her. I am obviously cool with this. Our wedding guests included 1 lesbian couple and a trans person and his girlfriend. Recently my wife and I attended the lesbian couples wedding. If you ever get invited to a jewish/lesbian wedding go! It was the best time I have had all summer. My trans friend is marrying his girlfriend in October. You bet your little judgemental arse my wife and I are going. There were only 25 of the very closest friends and family at our wedding. The LGBT community was well represented.

If you think I am a bigot because I do not think gay marriage should be a burning farking issue right now fine. I really don't give a fark.
 
2012-08-01 04:08:01 PM

sammyk: tekmo: sammyk: Just how am I a bigot?

Imagine your neighbors voted you out of your constitution. Imagine yourself legally barred from enjoying a constellation of important legal protections. Imagine you are required to pay extra taxes at higher rates than other similarly situated people. Imagine your employer disqualifies you from most of the really valuable benefits that come with your job. Imagine yourself barred from adopting the child you love deeply. Imagine yourself barred from marrying the love of your life. Imagine them being deported because you have been singled out as a person who merits fewer rights than other people.

Now, imagine me not giving a shiat that you (and people like you) are getting screwed left and right coming and going...because y'know, even though I'm doing fine, I could be doing better and my priority is me. And yeah, I realize people like me created your predicament, but it's your problem to solve. But hey, best wishes and good luck with it.

If you really believe that that attitude is morally unassailable, you probably need to have your empathy reservoir checked. You're a bit low.

Like I said. You do not know a thing about me. Let me tell you little about me. My wife is bi. I have known since the day I met her. I am obviously cool with this. Our wedding guests included 1 lesbian couple and a trans person and his girlfriend. Recently my wife and I attended the lesbian couples wedding. If you ever get invited to a jewish/lesbian wedding go! It was the best time I have had all summer. My trans friend is marrying his girlfriend in October. You bet your little judgemental arse my wife and I are going. There were only 25 of the very closest friends and family at our wedding. The LGBT community was well represented.

If you think I am a bigot because I do not think gay marriage should be a burning farking issue right now fine. I really don't give a fark.


Dude, you don't think it is a burning issue BECAUSE IT DOES NOT EFFECT YOU. How about a little empathy for those of us who are secondary citizens. We don't get the benefits of marriage - NONE of the benefits. It is a hot issue for us. If you don't care, that is fine, but don't act like you are our friend then.
 
2012-08-01 04:17:08 PM

Buttknuckle: Dude, you don't think it is a burning issue BECAUSE IT DOES NOT EFFECT YOU. How about a little empathy for those of us who are secondary citizens. We don't get the benefits of marriage - NONE of the benefits. It is a hot issue for us. If you don't care, that is fine, but don't act like you are our friend then.


Well, I get OPs intent -- there are a lot of big problems in the country that affect *everyone*, so, if priorities must be chosen:

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2012-08-01 04:20:58 PM

jshine: midigod: TerminalEchoes: While there are other passages in the New Testament that do speak against teh homosecks, they are not the words of Jesus and therefore should be dismissed or ignored entirely.

That's the first time I've ever heard anyone say that, and I've been around a TON of BACs. It's an interesting take on whether the Bible is the divine word of God, I'll give you that. How did you determine that the book is infallible when it comes to a certain person speaking, but worthy of dismissal at all other times?

I don't think it's logically inconsistent, much like a reporter who reports an incorrect statement. E.g., "Bush says Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.". That statement can be factually accurate in the sense that Bush really did say that (or words to that effect). Whether or not Iraq actually has weapons is separate issue.

Similarly if the Bible reports that "King Bob says gays are bad.", that report may be 100% accurate -- even if "gays are bad" isn't actually what God thinks.

/disclaimer: i am not a religious scholar and don't even really believe in it


In another context, it may not have been logically inconsistent. But we're talking about the Bible - a book whose sole claim to truth is its followers claim that it is the whole truth, the unerring, perfect, divinely inspired Word of God. I know most believers of any faith tend to cherry-pick, but to specifically dismiss the vast majority of that book, or even just the OT, flies in the very face of what it claims to be. That's what I'm not understanding. It's either perfectly correct, or it is hogwash. Since it claims to be perfectly correct, there can be no middle ground. It is its own context.
 
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