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(Christian Science Monitor)   Protesters planning a Kiss Mor Chiks event at Chik Fil A today, encourging women to show up and kiss each other   (csmonitor.com) divider line 409
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2012-08-01 12:22:50 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Speaking of old rules, I sometimes wonder about the whole Sabbath thing. The bible doesn't mention anything about time zones. How does that work?


Jews use sundown. Not really any leeway for timezones there.
 
2012-08-01 12:22:55 PM  

Albert911emt: and I will also refuse to treat YOU like trash just because your opinions do not align with my own...


What if I were actively campaigning that your marriage to your wife was immoral and should be illegal? What if I was actually getting legislation passed to that effect? Other people's opinions can effect you and sometimes ignoring them isn't the best response.
 
2012-08-01 12:22:56 PM  

Pumpernickel bread: Should pick the battles that are worth fighting and this isn't one of them. He is a christian toeing the standard christian line. Particularly when you take into consideration that Chick-fil-A the company does not discriminate based on sexual preference, this all seems silly. If you want to protest a company, protest one that actually engages in evil....Apple using child/slave labor for instance, but no no no, we all love our iPhones too much for that.


Slavery is A-OK in The Bible. It even dictates how there ear should be pierced.

"Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him forever."
 
2012-08-01 12:24:13 PM  

Uncle Tractor: LineNoise: uhh, because if you are christian, Jesus IS god, and is allowed to change the rules if he wants.

Why would an all-knowing God need to change the rules? Wouldn't he get the rules right from the beginning?


now you just get into a pissing match about knowing what god wants and what his plan is, and thinking you can make him suddenly self destruct with some kind of logic paradox like a 1950s scifi robot.
 
2012-08-01 12:24:13 PM  

meanmutton: Because People in power are Stupid: Oh yes, the cherry picking of "biblical principles"

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 600x689]

They are obviously engaged in following the bible and not just playing into some right wing screed.

Christian, not Jewish. The Bible does actually say that you don't have to follow the old rules any more because, you know, Jesus.


So, rules laid out in Leviticus regarding dietary restrictions are out because Jesus superseded the Old Testament. Rules laid out in Leviticus regarding man-on-man love are still in because the entire Bible is the inerrant infallible Word of God.
 
2012-08-01 12:26:17 PM  

Buttknuckle: I'm texting all my guy friends asking for replies if they want to make out with me at Chik Fil A today. No takers thus far;-(

/My sister said to try her boyfriend. He would probably accept, but that is too wierd.


Dude....it sounds like your sister is trying to set up a three-way with you

/nttawwt
 
2012-08-01 12:26:37 PM  

LineNoise: Again though, that was the whole point of jesus, who, if you are christian, is god. His entire message was, "Here is a new agreement between us, that works for everyone, not just the jews". like someone said above, he was upping his marketing and launching a new brand. He kept some of the principles and rules from the old one, sure, but he was pretty clear as to which, if you believe the new testament to be the inspired word of god.


Have you even read The Bible?

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
Matt 5:17 (KJV)
 
2012-08-01 12:26:51 PM  

propasaurus: meanmutton: Because People in power are Stupid: Oh yes, the cherry picking of "biblical principles"

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 600x689]

They are obviously engaged in following the bible and not just playing into some right wing screed.

Christian, not Jewish. The Bible does actually say that you don't have to follow the old rules any more because, you know, Jesus.

So, rules laid out in Leviticus regarding dietary restrictions are out because Jesus superseded the Old Testament. Rules laid out in Leviticus regarding man-on-man love are still in because the entire Bible is the inerrant infallible Word of God.


Argh. Nobody is using leviticus as the basis for that. There are new testament writings that cover it. They are, however, not quite as clear and spelled out as the old testament stuff is, which is where the argument and debate should be focused on. There is plenty of stuff for people in the new testament that could be used for an argument that god would look favorably on gay marriage.

By going for the old testament stuff, people are just picking the low hanging fruit, which doesn't apply in a theological debate in it.
 
2012-08-01 12:27:01 PM  

Dantos: Dudes with boobs, gay for pay, and even dykes still love Chick-fil-a


Dude, that was a great find! It's on the way to everyone I know.
Thanks
 
2012-08-01 12:27:03 PM  

LineNoise: Mugato: LineNoise: Stuff like jewish dietary restrictions imposed by the old testament don't apply to Christians. Jesus was pretty clear on that.

Do you have any idea how farking retarded that sounds?

No. Care to enlighten me? I'm all for gay marriage and don't consider myself religious by any means. I did, however, go to catholic school most of my life, so managed to pick up a decent understanding of how the bible works from a christian perspective though.


So those specific things in the OT about food are null and void because God, who is omniscient and omnipotent and has been for at least billions of years as we know it, suddenly had a kid and changed his mind about shellfish. But not about the gay. Is that what they're selling?
 
2012-08-01 12:27:23 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: gerrymander: sweetmelissa31: This picture alone should make you want to avoid Chick-Fil-A:

[www.csmonitor.com image 600x400]

Because of... the cars? The beige facade? The blue sky? The two older people?

Seriously -- what exactly do you see wrong there? That picture is about as inoffensively bland as it gets.

You sound fat.


lol
 
2012-08-01 12:27:40 PM  

Crappopotamus: Going there on Saturday. Yum. Wife's dumb college friend pronounces it 'chick - FEEL - uh'

/we've told her many times.


Do people usually plan on eating fast food four days in advance? I generally reserve that for something more involved like going to a party or a show. Food is usually a "Hey, we're going for wings at 1 o'clock. You want to meet up and get some beers?"
 
2012-08-01 12:28:36 PM  

StoPPeRmobile:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
Matt 5:17 (KJV)


Yea, and? I can google up famous versus to back whatever views I have as well when taken out of context. But that wouldn't be an intelligent debate, now would it?
 
2012-08-01 12:30:09 PM  

LineNoise: Because People in power are Stupid: Oh yes, the cherry picking of "biblical principles"

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 600x689]

They are obviously engaged in following the bible and not just playing into some right wing screed.

Not to defend chik-fil-a, but whomever made that poster understands less about theology than the guys who run chik-fil-a.

Stuff like jewish dietary restrictions imposed by the old testament don't apply to Christians. Jesus was pretty clear on that.


He also said something about taking out that plank in your eye and said a pretty good speech on a hill.
 
2012-08-01 12:30:21 PM  

IrateShadow: StoPPeRmobile: Speaking of old rules, I sometimes wonder about the whole Sabbath thing. The bible doesn't mention anything about time zones. How does that work?

Jews use sundown. Not really any leeway for timezones there.


Do you realize that what appear to your eyes, while on earth, as sunset isn't actually the "true" sunset?

ChikfilA guys are Jewish?

What about the people at the space station?

I can go on.
 
2012-08-01 12:30:38 PM  

Mugato:
So those specific things in the OT about food are null and void because God, who is omniscient and omnipotent and has been for at least billions of years as we know it, suddenly had a kid and changed his mind about shellfish. But not about the gay. Is that what they're selling?


No. But I'm sure you are smarter than 2,000 years of some of our greatest philosophers and theologians who have debated this stuff ad nauseum, and disagree with the intended meaning that you came up with.
 
2012-08-01 12:31:00 PM  
Nothing like quoting random, out of context bible passages to make your point
 
2012-08-01 12:31:06 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Pumpernickel bread: Should pick the battles that are worth fighting and this isn't one of them. He is a christian toeing the standard christian line. Particularly when you take into consideration that Chick-fil-A the company does not discriminate based on sexual preference, this all seems silly. If you want to protest a company, protest one that actually engages in evil....Apple using child/slave labor for instance, but no no no, we all love our iPhones too much for that.

Slavery is A-OK in The Bible. It even dictates how there ear should be pierced.

"Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him forever."


I love how people take the entire bible and turn into a giant rule book.
It's a story, with guidelines and some rules written in. A story of a time thousands of years ago.

It's doesn't say in the year 2000, piece a bastards ears if he's your slave. And every white man is required to have no less than 3.

Way to twist it's words, nazi.
 
2012-08-01 12:32:22 PM  
Go order water from Chick-Fil-A today ...

Protest and Proverbs 25:21
 
2012-08-01 12:32:29 PM  

LineNoise: propasaurus: meanmutton: Because People in power are Stupid: Oh yes, the cherry picking of "biblical principles"

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 600x689]

They are obviously engaged in following the bible and not just playing into some right wing screed.

Christian, not Jewish. The Bible does actually say that you don't have to follow the old rules any more because, you know, Jesus.

So, rules laid out in Leviticus regarding dietary restrictions are out because Jesus superseded the Old Testament. Rules laid out in Leviticus regarding man-on-man love are still in because the entire Bible is the inerrant infallible Word of God.

Argh. Nobody is using leviticus as the basis for that. There are new testament writings that cover it. They are, however, not quite as clear and spelled out as the old testament stuff is, which is where the argument and debate should be focused on. There is plenty of stuff for people in the new testament that could be used for an argument that god would look favorably on gay marriage.

By going for the old testament stuff, people are just picking the low hanging fruit, which doesn't apply in a theological debate in it.


Look, I know you're trolling, but seriously, you think nobody is using Leviticus 20:13 as the Biblical basis for anti-gay sentiments?
 
2012-08-01 12:33:33 PM  
Why do the debates on this always turn into what looks like a 18 year old debating his first speeding ticket on the notion that the police officer who gave him a ticket crossed 4 feet over the county line, and therefore he can't be charged with doing 90 through a school zone.
 
2012-08-01 12:34:22 PM  
This entire thing has been waaaaay overthought.
 
2012-08-01 12:34:40 PM  

STRYPERSWINE: Dude didn't even MENTION gay marriage or talk about homosexuality at all and made some rather conciliatory statements, actually, and the left just went UNHINGED. Just besides themselves with hate! I'll be eating there today just to spite THOSE guys.


What a remarkable imagination you have.

Don't let reality get in the way of your lunch.
 
2012-08-01 12:35:40 PM  
serious questions here:
- If the people who show up friday to CFA to protest aren't buying anything, can't they be cited for loitering?
- If so, doesn't CFA win? If they go there and buy something instead, doesn't CFA win as well? So I'm not getting the point here.
 
2012-08-01 12:35:50 PM  
Pics or it will not have happened.
 
2012-08-01 12:35:57 PM  

propasaurus:
Look, I know you're trolling, but seriously, you think nobody is using Leviticus 20:13 as the Biblical basis for anti-gay sentiments?


Dumb people, sure. But you aren't swaying their opinion with a jpg posted to your facebook page. You are also using an argument that can be quickly discounted by other members of their faith if you do manage to get cletus to go, "hey, wait a minute, if i eat bacon, that means gays should be able to marry as well"

My point is there are better arguments to use if you are trying to approach this from a theological perspective, that may actually make people question their view on it, and won't be as easily discounted by people who want to keep them on their side.
 
2012-08-01 12:36:21 PM  

LineNoise: the old rules were part of the covenant between jesus and the original tribes of israel. Jesus was pretty clear that his purpose was to form a new covenant between him and all of mankind.




Unless God had an epiphany, wouldn't the sentiment behind the old rules still be there?

I mean, He killed and commanded his followers to kill those who comitted these original-covenant era offenses/abominations, so just because Christ doesn't speak against eating shellfish, gay relationships, and sex with lions doesn't prove God is cool with those.

He said that he who was without sin cast the first stone, but the omnipotent sinless God sure rained 'em down back in the day!
Also, Christ wasn't down with lukewarm wishy-washy folks.

If you're gonna believe it, believe it all.

/but don't, 'cause it gets all Phelpsy when you go full fundie.
 
2012-08-01 12:37:07 PM  

propasaurus:

Look, I know you're trolling, but seriously, you think nobody is using Leviticus 20:13 as the Biblical basis for anti-gay sentiments?


FailTat:

s3-ec.buzzfed.com

Leviticus 18:22: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 19:28: Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.
 
2012-08-01 12:37:15 PM  

propasaurus: jonstewartpic.jpg


I laughed my ass off!
 
2012-08-01 12:37:24 PM  

LineNoise: Mugato:
So those specific things in the OT about food are null and void because God, who is omniscient and omnipotent and has been for at least billions of years as we know it, suddenly had a kid and changed his mind about shellfish. But not about the gay. Is that what they're selling?

No. But I'm sure you are smarter than 2,000 years of some of our greatest philosophers and theologians who have debated this stuff ad nauseum, and disagree with the intended meaning that you came up with.


Thanks, so am I.
 
2012-08-01 12:37:52 PM  
Person 1: I believe marriage is defined as one man and one woman.
Gay Person: OMG YOU HATE US!

Person 2: I believe all religion should be banned from all public places.
Religious person: OMG YOU HATE US!

The problem is extreme on both sides.
 
2012-08-01 12:37:53 PM  

SevenYearHawk: Go order water from Chick-Fil-A today ...

Protest and Proverbs 25:21


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2012-08-01 12:39:00 PM  
Ok, so Cathy's a Jesus-y, fundie nut job. Everybody's known this forever. Big deal. Don't farking eat there. Don't give him a dime of your money.

I support gay rights, but I have a big problem with the whole mindset of "you don't think how we do, so we're going to try to force you to", which seems to be the deal here, on both sides. The difference is that Cathy stated his personal opinion to THE BAPTIST PRESS, a fundie publication, and now the hivemind wants to shut his whole business down, because they don't agree with what he thinks.

And all this is doing is giving CFA a ton of publicity, people will drive out of their way to eat there now, because they're either fundies or just hate people telling them what to do and how to think.

Good job.
 
2012-08-01 12:39:05 PM  

LineNoise: StoPPeRmobile:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
Matt 5:17 (KJV)

Yea, and? I can google up famous versus to back whatever views I have as well when taken out of context. But that wouldn't be an intelligent debate, now would it?


It's Mathew 5. You know, "Sermon on the Mount." It's pretty clear.

Besides, I wasn't looking for a debate. I was looking for an argument.

/11 "Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
//12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
 
2012-08-01 12:39:19 PM  

Rapmaster2000: propasaurus:

Look, I know you're trolling, but seriously, you think nobody is using Leviticus 20:13 as the Biblical basis for anti-gay sentiments?

FailTat:

[s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 474x268]

Leviticus 18:22: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 19:28: Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.


dude, they're totally like a whole chapter apart...so f'ing what?

/there are many reasons (such as this one) that i stopped going to church many years ago
 
2012-08-01 12:39:35 PM  

sweetmelissa31: gerrymander: Seriously -- what exactly do you see wrong there? That picture is about as inoffensively bland as it gets.

There is an obese person waddling away with her food. The joke is that if you eat at Chick-fil-A you will become obese. Because the food is unhealthful.


I see! This is why everyone should listen to you -- you're so much better a person, what with the not passing judgement on how other people live their lives, especially when their lifestyles don't affect you personally at all. Not at all like that horrible, terrible president of Chick-fil-A. Go, you!
 
2012-08-01 12:39:52 PM  
WHO CARES
i keep hearing about it so now i WANT chicken
it aint working
 
2012-08-01 12:41:01 PM  

WTP 2: WHO CARES
i keep hearing about it so now i WANT chicken
it aint working


it's an election year and that chicken you crave is now a factor in how people will vote. because the general voting populus is a bunch of morons.
 
2012-08-01 12:41:27 PM  

BeezyBates: StoPPeRmobile: Pumpernickel bread: Should pick the battles that are worth fighting and this isn't one of them. He is a christian toeing the standard christian line. Particularly when you take into consideration that Chick-fil-A the company does not discriminate based on sexual preference, this all seems silly. If you want to protest a company, protest one that actually engages in evil....Apple using child/slave labor for instance, but no no no, we all love our iPhones too much for that.

Slavery is A-OK in The Bible. It even dictates how there ear should be pierced.

"Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him forever."

I love how people take the entire bible and turn into a giant rule book.
It's a story, with guidelines and some rules written in. A story of a time thousands of years ago.

It's doesn't say in the year 2000, piece a bastards ears if he's your slave. And every white man is required to have no less than 3.

Way to twist it's words, nazi.


So, what's the fowl-dealers problem with the gheys again?
 
2012-08-01 12:42:43 PM  
In before people accusing Christians of not following old testament Jew laws.
 
2012-08-01 12:43:24 PM  

oh_please: Ok, so Cathy's a Jesus-y, fundie nut job. Everybody's known this forever. Big deal. Don't farking eat there. Don't give him a dime of your money.

I support gay rights, but I have a big problem with the whole mindset of "you don't think how we do, so we're going to try to force you to", which seems to be the deal here, on both sides. The difference is that Cathy stated his personal opinion to THE BAPTIST PRESS, a fundie publication, and now the hivemind wants to shut his whole business down, because they don't agree with what he thinks.

And all this is doing is giving CFA a ton of publicity, people will drive out of their way to eat there now, because they're either fundies or just hate people telling them what to do and how to think.

Good job.


These festivals only come once in a while. It a time to reflect and point fingers at people that believe that a thousand year old "story," holds singnificant sway over them

/ha ha
 
2012-08-01 12:43:51 PM  

trappedspirit: In before people accusing Christians of not following old testament Jew laws.


I think you're a little late.
 
2012-08-01 12:43:57 PM  
Let me start with...I do not support Marriage....GAY/STRAIGHT/OTHER.

Why in the world should any one ever let a government interfere in their personal relationships.

/am having CFA today because I like their chicken. I dont give a damn about their politics. I and they are conducting Chicken business....not what are your feeling on the same sex.

//like everyone they are allowed to believe the way they want....those of you who insist they must support same sex relationships are worse then their stated dislike. You impose to oppress them when they are not oppressing you.
 
2012-08-01 12:45:41 PM  

zippyZRX: //like everyone they are allowed to believe the way they want....those of you who insist they must support same sex relationships are worse then their stated dislike. You impose to oppress them when they are not oppressing you.


Yeah, these people are advocating that all their stores be shut down immediately. That's exactly what they're doing.
 
2012-08-01 12:45:43 PM  
Amusing but ad choice for this thread:

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2012-08-01 12:48:02 PM  

LineNoise: My point is there are better arguments to use if you are trying to approach this from a theological perspective, that may actually make people question their view on it, and won't be as easily discounted by people who want to keep them on their side.


You going to get to them or do I have a better chance of George R.R. Martin finishing A Song of Ice and Fire this year?
 
2012-08-01 12:48:35 PM  

kukukupo: Person 1: I believe marriage is defined as one man and one woman.
Gay Person: OMG YOU HATE US!

Person 2: I believe all religion should be banned from all public places.
Religious person: OMG YOU HATE US!

The problem is extreme on both sides.


see religions want an infinity amount of people, even if you don't have the urges

real people acknolwedge this difficulty
but it all comes down to wanting infinite life. which is only possible in a marriage
because of buddhist beliefs involving reincarnation and Windows(R) concepts such as multitasking. involving souls.
 
2012-08-01 12:49:15 PM  

LineNoise: propasaurus:
Look, I know you're trolling, but seriously, you think nobody is using Leviticus 20:13 as the Biblical basis for anti-gay sentiments?

Dumb people, sure. But you aren't swaying their opinion with a jpg posted to your facebook page. You are also using an argument that can be quickly discounted by other members of their faith if you do manage to get cletus to go, "hey, wait a minute, if i eat bacon, that means gays should be able to marry as well"

My point is there are better arguments to use if you are trying to approach this from a theological perspective, that may actually make people question their view on it, and won't be as easily discounted by people who want to keep them on their side.


OK, sincere question: do you make an intelligent theological argument for gay marriage, or homosexuality in general, with those less enlightened to whom you refer above? If so, what is your argument?
 
2012-08-01 12:49:23 PM  

Pumpernickel bread: Should pick the battles that are worth fighting and this isn't one of them. He is a christian toeing the standard christian line. Particularly when you take into consideration that Chick-fil-A the company does not discriminate based on sexual preference, this all seems silly.


Except I believe they do. Before you can purchase a Chick-Fil-A franchise, you've got to agree to follow the corporation's guidelines in all things, and since they are a "Christian" company and follow "Christian" practices, every franchise owner must agree to follow them too or you don't get a store. I believe it is that requirement, in fact, that is causing the mayors of Chicago and Boston to try and find a way to keep them out of their cities.
 
2012-08-01 12:51:05 PM  

doubled99: Nothing like quoting random, out of context bible passages to make your point


You sound Christian.
 
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