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2012-08-01 11:55:19 AM
lh6.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-08-01 11:56:52 AM
He should have just stuck by the comment to begin with. He doesn't need to curry favor with the Palestinian vote.
 
2012-08-01 12:00:00 PM
Wait - are we on "flip" or "flop" now?
 
2012-08-01 12:02:49 PM

DarwiOdrade: Wait - are we on "flip" or "flop" now?


Spinstate.
 
2012-08-01 12:09:05 PM
Does Romney really think he can gain traction with the American Jewish community by coming out against the Palestinians? I thought they were 80% Democratic or something.
 
2012-08-01 12:11:57 PM
"But what exactly accounts for prosperity if not culture?"

not a bad point... for instance, there's the Israeli's "culture" of bombing the Palestinian's factories and neighborhoods that might make prosperity difficult.
 
2012-08-01 12:18:47 PM

themindiswatching: Does Romney really think he can gain traction with the American Jewish community by coming out against the Palestinians? I thought they were 80% Democratic or something.


Well he publicly stated that he was willing to allow Israel to dictate our foreign policy if elected President. That should do it.
 
2012-08-01 12:20:19 PM

hubiestubert: DarwiOdrade: Wait - are we on "flip" or "flop" now?

Spinstate.


So what is it? 1/2, 1, 3/2, 2...? I'm guessing somewhere around 27/2 by now.
 
2012-08-01 12:37:39 PM
"But what exactly accounts for prosperity if not culture?"


Maybe having an obscenely wealthy father.
 
2012-08-01 12:38:56 PM

Mugato: themindiswatching: Does Romney really think he can gain traction with the American Jewish community by coming out against the Palestinians? I thought they were 80% Democratic or something.

Well he publicly stated that he was willing to allow Israel to dictate our foreign policy if elected President. That should do it.


What is it about the right where they embrace the same things they wrongly protest and warn the liberals are doing?
 
2012-08-01 12:39:42 PM
I think Romney's made it clear.
 
2012-08-01 12:40:39 PM
The "Triple Lindy" of political gaffes?
 
2012-08-01 12:40:58 PM
Israel is superior because of its culture. And guns. Lots of guns.

kara.allthingsd.com

/and butter
//whoa
 
2012-08-01 12:41:52 PM

timujin: "But what exactly accounts for prosperity if not culture?"

not a bad point... for instance, there's the Israeli's "culture" of bombing the Palestinian's factories and neighborhoods that might make prosperity difficult.


Pffft! I've heard here on Fark, by somebody who would NEVER lie, that all the phosphorous they were using was just to mark targets or to give them some light. Surely you're exaggerating.
 
2012-08-01 12:42:02 PM
So how long until the IOC sanctions him for his improper use of verbal gymnastics?
 
2012-08-01 12:43:57 PM
FTA: ""In some quarters, that comment became the subject of controversy. But what exactly accounts for prosperity if not culture?"

Maybe Israel not being completely shiat upon by everyone for the last 40 years and the billions in aid might have something to do with it? Or the import restrictions into Gaza? That's just a start, but this seems like something that should be obvious to everyone but idiots.
 
2012-08-01 12:45:46 PM
"But what exactly accounts for prosperity if not culture?"

Well, let's see, Mitt...

Being able to travel freely throughout the region.
Not having your homes bulldozed.
Not having your crops destroyed.
Not having your drinking water polluted by waste from settlements.
Not having your imports/exports strictly controlled by another government.
Not being blown up because you have the misfortune to live next door to a suspected terrorist.

There's probably a few more, but you're probably right, Mitt. Those wealthy Israelis are just superior to the Palestinians...

I'm willing to bet Romney holds he exact same opinion about the poor in his own country.
 
2012-08-01 12:46:11 PM
"FTA: ""In some quarters, that comment became the subject of controversy. But what exactly accounts for prosperity if not culture?""

Metric assloads of welfare from US taxpayer money?
 
2012-08-01 12:49:19 PM

themindiswatching: Does Romney really think he can gain traction with the American Jewish community by coming out against the Palestinians? I thought they were 80% Democratic or something.


He's afraid of offending Sheldon Adelson
 
2012-08-01 12:49:47 PM
The Founding Fathers wrote that we are endowed by our Creator with the freedom to pursue happiness. In the America they designed, we would have economic freedom, just as we would have political and religious freedom. Here, we would not be limited by the circumstance of birth nor directed by the supposedly informed hand of government. We would be free to pursue happiness as we wish.

Mitt Romney supports same sex marriage, you heard it here first.
 
2012-08-01 12:50:21 PM
Remember Bill Clinton's avatar as a waffle? Romney not only just earned that avatar but he's the entire box with each one waffling at the same time.
 
2012-08-01 12:50:26 PM
So, did he come around to a point where he said "If the Palestinians weren't a flaming bag of dicks and assholes this whole place would be an integrated and functional society without walls or suicide bombers."
 
2012-08-01 12:51:11 PM

themindiswatching: Does Romney really think he can gain traction with the American Jewish community by coming out against the Palestinians? I thought they were 80% Democratic or something.


if he wants any money from Sheldon Adelson and AIPAC he better.
 
2012-08-01 12:53:09 PM

Mugato: themindiswatching: Does Romney really think he can gain traction with the American Jewish community by coming out against the Palestinians? I thought they were 80% Democratic or something.

Well he publicly stated that he was willing to allow Israel to dictate our foreign policy if elected President. That should do it.


No it probably won't.

The numbers don't provide much hope for Republicans: Only about 6 percent of American Jews vote solely based on Israel-centric issues and most of them are already reliably Republican.

"This is a four-year ritual that the Republicans go through," said Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the first Jewish congresswoman from Florida and chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee. "Jews categorically disagree with everything in the Republican Party's agenda domestically," she said, and Romney has sought to peel off some support in battleground states like Florida by sowing doubt about Obama's commitment to Israel.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/can-romney-persuade-jewish-vot e rs-to-abandon-obama/2012/07/30/gJQArjTULX_story_1.html
 
2012-08-01 12:54:48 PM
Okay Mitt this isn't even entertaining anymore its just sad.
 
2012-08-01 12:55:22 PM

Bag of Hammers: themindiswatching: Does Romney really think he can gain traction with the American Jewish community by coming out against the Palestinians? I thought they were 80% Democratic or something.

if he wants any money from Sheldon Adelson and AIPAC he better.


Yep, this is all about sweet cash. Adelson alone will provide Mitt hundreds of millions of dollars if he thinks it will lead to a President willing to assert Jewish domination over the Middle East
 
2012-08-01 12:57:01 PM
I'm waiting for the day he comes out and talks about how great Obamacare is because it comes from his idea. It has to happen eventually.
 
2012-08-01 12:59:56 PM
Romney's spinning should be charted on the Fujita scale.
 
2012-08-01 01:00:10 PM
This guy!
 
2012-08-01 01:01:11 PM
Does he know the Palestinian "culture" is under the occupation of Israeli "culture"? Is he still this f*cking clueless two days after he said that stupid shiat?

Not much gets into the narcissistic personality disorder bubble, does it Rmoney?
 
2012-08-01 01:01:24 PM

wildcardjack: So, did he come around to a point where he said "If the Palestinians weren't a flaming bag of dicks and assholes this whole place would be an integrated and functional society without walls or suicide bombers."


Except if the Israelis weren't dicks to the Palestinians, the terrorist sects wouldn't have support among Palestinians.

Neither Israelis or Palestinians are innocent in the conflict. If you think otherwise, either way, you're willfully ignorant.
 
2012-08-01 01:11:46 PM
I get it now.

Romney's suggesting that the Israeli culture - of oppressing and economically screwing Palestinians while begging from handouts from other countries - is the correct and just way to gain economic strength over your neighbours. It's FreedomTM, baby!
 
2012-08-01 01:34:28 PM

LordJiro: wildcardjack: So, did he come around to a point where he said "If the Palestinians weren't a flaming bag of dicks and assholes this whole place would be an integrated and functional society without walls or suicide bombers."

Except if the Israelis weren't dicks to the Palestinians, the terrorist sects wouldn't have support among Palestinians.

Neither Israelis or Palestinians are innocent in the conflict. If you think otherwise, either way, you're willfully ignorant.


See, that's not a flip or a flop. That's the uncomfortable truth in the middle no one wants to hear.
 
2012-08-01 01:36:00 PM

timujin: "But what exactly accounts for prosperity if not culture?"

not a bad point... for instance, there's the Israeli's "culture" of bombing the Palestinian's factories and neighborhoods that might make prosperity difficult.


Don't forget the Palestinian "culture" of setting up rocket launchers and mortars on top of schools and hospitals. However, it is patently unfair ro compare the Israeli economy with the Palestinian one, given their "special relationship." The Israeli economy should more properly be compared to another Arab country, one without appreciable oil revenue (afetr all, Israel has none), an Arab economy where the only possible reasons for low development would be the exigencies of their own culture. Egypt is the most populous Arab state and their per capita income is $5500... oh wait, they've been held back by their repressive government, how about Jordan? Oops, $5770. Syria? $4870. Well these are all frontline states, held back by the necessity of maintaining a military to protect them from the relentless Zionist expansion machine (you know, the one which at its current rate of expansion will completely engulf Jordan, Lebanon and Syria some time around the year 2800). How about, um, Algeria? $8130. Morocco? Ew, $2850. Tunisia? $4070. If the Palestinians really do have a $10,000 per capita economy, then they have the best Arab economy outside the oil states. If you're Arab and you want to improve your economic life style, the best thing that could happen to you would be for Israel to conquer you.

World Bank
 
2012-08-01 01:43:48 PM

themindiswatching: Does Romney really think he can gain traction with the American Jewish community by coming out against the Palestinians? I thought they were 80% Democratic or something.



I think he's more interested in the "vote" of Wolf Blitzer et al.
 
2012-08-01 01:47:53 PM

clambam: timujin: "But what exactly accounts for prosperity if not culture?"

not a bad point... for instance, there's the Israeli's "culture" of bombing the Palestinian's factories and neighborhoods that might make prosperity difficult.

Don't forget the Palestinian "culture" of setting up rocket launchers and mortars on top of schools and hospitals. However, it is patently unfair ro compare the Israeli economy with the Palestinian one, given their "special relationship." The Israeli economy should more properly be compared to another Arab country, one without appreciable oil revenue (afetr all, Israel has none), an Arab economy where the only possible reasons for low development would be the exigencies of their own culture. Egypt is the most populous Arab state and their per capita income is $5500... oh wait, they've been held back by their repressive government, how about Jordan? Oops, $5770. Syria? $4870. Well these are all frontline states, held back by the necessity of maintaining a military to protect them from the relentless Zionist expansion machine (you know, the one which at its current rate of expansion will completely engulf Jordan, Lebanon and Syria some time around the year 2800). How about, um, Algeria? $8130. Morocco? Ew, $2850. Tunisia? $4070. If the Palestinians really do have a $10,000 per capita economy, then they have the best Arab economy outside the oil states. If you're Arab and you want to improve your economic life style, the best thing that could happen to you would be for Israel to conquer you.

World Bank


Giving a country with a population roughly that of the greater Los Angeles area $3,000,000,000 a year might also help.
 
2012-08-01 02:04:15 PM

starsrift: I get it now.

Romney's suggesting that the Israeli culture - of oppressing and economically screwing Palestinians while begging from handouts from other countries - is the correct and just way to gain economic strength over your neighbours. It's FreedomTM, baby!


And if those Palestinians had a more "bootstrappy" culture they would not be so poor.
 
2012-08-01 02:08:51 PM

Lost Thought 00: Bag of Hammers: themindiswatching: Does Romney really think he can gain traction with the American Jewish community by coming out against the Palestinians? I thought they were 80% Democratic or something.

if he wants any money from Sheldon Adelson and AIPAC he better.

Yep, this is all about sweet cash. Adelson alone will provide Mitt hundreds of millions of dollars if he thinks it will lead to a President willing to assert Jewish domination over the Middle East war with Iran.


FTFY
 
2012-08-01 02:13:13 PM

clambam: timujin: "But what exactly accounts for prosperity if not culture?"

not a bad point... for instance, there's the Israeli's "culture" of bombing the Palestinian's factories and neighborhoods that might make prosperity difficult.

Don't forget the Palestinian "culture" of setting up rocket launchers and mortars on top of schools and hospitals. However, it is patently unfair ro compare the Israeli economy with the Palestinian one, given their "special relationship." The Israeli economy should more properly be compared to another Arab country, one without appreciable oil revenue (afetr all, Israel has none), an Arab economy where the only possible reasons for low development would be the exigencies of their own culture. Egypt is the most populous Arab state and their per capita income is $5500... oh wait, they've been held back by their repressive government, how about Jordan? Oops, $5770. Syria? $4870. Well these are all frontline states, held back by the necessity of maintaining a military to protect them from the relentless Zionist expansion machine (you know, the one which at its current rate of expansion will completely engulf Jordan, Lebanon and Syria some time around the year 2800). How about, um, Algeria? $8130. Morocco? Ew, $2850. Tunisia? $4070. If the Palestinians really do have a $10,000 per capita economy, then they have the best Arab economy outside the oil states. If you're Arab and you want to improve your economic life style, the best thing that could happen to you would be for Israel to conquer you.

World Bank


Where did you get $10,000 from? Palestine isn't on your list and according to this the per capita income is more like $1400.
 
MFL
2012-08-01 02:20:36 PM
Of course you bottom feeders cry "gaffe" at every turn, but the fact of the matter is Mitt Romney's trip accomplished most of what he wanted.

A. Yes the british press tried to eat him up, (they always do that to Republicans). He addressed Obama's middle finger to the british when he rudely returned Churchills bust, and he addressed Britain's dispute with Argentina over the Falklands reignited, which Obama remained neutral at best....(another middle finger to the Brits).

B. He showed up in Isreal (something Obama has never done), gave a lights out speech in Jerusalem which publicly touched on everything that has infuriated Israel supporters here for nearly four years. He also publically recognized Jerusalem as the capital.....(Jay Carney anyone??)

C. Then he closed it out with a home run - with a salute to John Paul the II and an endorsement from Poland's national hero, Lech Walesa. Poland understands the importance of the Reagan administration's stance on the soviets because they lived it, unlike the typical internet generation Obamabot whose only view of history is through the lense of the Hutchington Post.

I know you kos kids will mock this because they saw them do it on the Today show, and little brains are so closed minded that that is enough to fit the spoonfed template given to you, but in a couple months your false hopes will be proven wrong (again) and you'll be left clinging to some rediculous excuse that includes racism, corporations, and something about the election being stolen because it didn't come out like the loaded polls at NBC said it would.
 
2012-08-01 02:27:54 PM

MFL: A. Yes the british press tried to eat him up, (they always do that to Republicans). He addressed Obama's middle finger to the british when he rudely returned Churchills bust, and he addressed Britain's dispute with Argentina over the Falklands reignited, which Obama remained neutral at best....(another middle finger to the Brits).


England [sic] is just a small island. Its roads and houses are small. With few exceptions, it doesn't make things that people in the rest of the world want to buy. And if it hadn't been separated from the continent by water, it almost certainly would have been lost to Hitler's ambitions. Yet only two lifetimes ago, Britain ruled the largest and wealthiest empire in the history of humankind. Britain controlled a quarter of the earth's land and a quarter of the earth's population.
 
2012-08-01 02:29:15 PM

MFL: Of course you bottom feeders cry "gaffe" at every turn, but the fact of the matter is Mitt Romney's trip accomplished most of what he wanted.

A. Yes the british press tried to eat him up, (they always do that to Republicans). He addressed Obama's middle finger to the british when he rudely returned Churchills bust, and he addressed Britain's dispute with Argentina over the Falklands reignited, which Obama remained neutral at best....(another middle finger to the Brits).

B. He showed up in Isreal (something Obama has never done), gave a lights out speech in Jerusalem which publicly touched on everything that has infuriated Israel supporters here for nearly four years. He also publically recognized Jerusalem as the capital.....(Jay Carney anyone??)

C. Then he closed it out with a home run - with a salute to John Paul the II and an endorsement from Poland's national hero, Lech Walesa. Poland understands the importance of the Reagan administration's stance on the soviets because they lived it, unlike the typical internet generation Obamabot whose only view of history is through the lense of the Hutchington Post.

I know you kos kids will mock this because they saw them do it on the Today show, and little brains are so closed minded that that is enough to fit the spoonfed template given to you, but in a couple months your false hopes will be proven wrong (again) and you'll be left clinging to some rediculous excuse that includes racism, corporations, and something about the election being stolen because it didn't come out like the loaded polls at NBC said it would.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-01 02:38:37 PM

MFL: B. He showed up in Isreal (something Obama has never done)


3.bp.blogspot.com

Lying or ignorant?

(since you can't spell "Israel" properly I'm going to go with the latter)
 
2012-08-01 02:42:14 PM

timujin: clambam: timujin: "But what exactly accounts for prosperity if not culture?"

not a bad point... for instance, there's the Israeli's "culture" of bombing the Palestinian's factories and neighborhoods that might make prosperity difficult.

Don't forget the Palestinian "culture" of setting up rocket launchers and mortars on top of schools and hospitals. However, it is patently unfair ro compare the Israeli economy with the Palestinian one, given their "special relationship." The Israeli economy should more properly be compared to another Arab country, one without appreciable oil revenue (afetr all, Israel has none), an Arab economy where the only possible reasons for low development would be the exigencies of their own culture. Egypt is the most populous Arab state and their per capita income is $5500... oh wait, they've been held back by their repressive government, how about Jordan? Oops, $5770. Syria? $4870. Well these are all frontline states, held back by the necessity of maintaining a military to protect them from the relentless Zionist expansion machine (you know, the one which at its current rate of expansion will completely engulf Jordan, Lebanon and Syria some time around the year 2800). How about, um, Algeria? $8130. Morocco? Ew, $2850. Tunisia? $4070. If the Palestinians really do have a $10,000 per capita economy, then they have the best Arab economy outside the oil states. If you're Arab and you want to improve your economic life style, the best thing that could happen to you would be for Israel to conquer you.

World Bank

Giving a country with a population roughly that of the greater Los Angeles area $3,000,000,000 a year might also help.


Israel's estimated GDP for 2011 was $238.2 billion dollars. That little bribe the US gives them to keep buying American military equipment and agricultural products is a 1.26% drop in the bucket.

What percentage of the "Palestinian Territories" GDP is from foreign aid?
 
2012-08-01 02:45:06 PM

hubiestubert: [lh6.googleusercontent.com image 600x525]


The Obama Campaign (or somebody) really needs to be selling a Schrodinger's Candidate tee shirt.
 
2012-08-01 02:49:21 PM

MFL: C. Then he closed it out with a home run - with a salute to John Paul the II and an endorsement from Poland's national hero, Lech Walesa. Poland understands the importance of the Reagan administration's stance on the soviets because they lived it, unlike the typical internet generation Obamabot whose only view of history is through the lense of the Hutchington Post


Really? You're going with Reagan?

Obama is farther Right than Reagan ever was. If Ronnie was around these days, the Tea-billies would be calling him a "libtard soshlist!!1!"
 
2012-08-01 02:50:58 PM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: MFL: B. He showed up in Isreal (something Obama has never done)

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 413x310]

Lying or ignorant?

(since you can't spell "Israel" properly I'm going to go with the latter)



No one in this world has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.
-H.L. Mencken.


When it's somebody on Fox giving the marching orders, assume lying. When it's the average republican shill, assume ignorant.
 
2012-08-01 03:06:53 PM

give me doughnuts: timujin: clambam: timujin: "But what exactly accounts for prosperity if not culture?"

not a bad point... for instance, there's the Israeli's "culture" of bombing the Palestinian's factories and neighborhoods that might make prosperity difficult.

Don't forget the Palestinian "culture" of setting up rocket launchers and mortars on top of schools and hospitals. However, it is patently unfair ro compare the Israeli economy with the Palestinian one, given their "special relationship." The Israeli economy should more properly be compared to another Arab country, one without appreciable oil revenue (afetr all, Israel has none), an Arab economy where the only possible reasons for low development would be the exigencies of their own culture. Egypt is the most populous Arab state and their per capita income is $5500... oh wait, they've been held back by their repressive government, how about Jordan? Oops, $5770. Syria? $4870. Well these are all frontline states, held back by the necessity of maintaining a military to protect them from the relentless Zionist expansion machine (you know, the one which at its current rate of expansion will completely engulf Jordan, Lebanon and Syria some time around the year 2800). How about, um, Algeria? $8130. Morocco? Ew, $2850. Tunisia? $4070. If the Palestinians really do have a $10,000 per capita economy, then they have the best Arab economy outside the oil states. If you're Arab and you want to improve your economic life style, the best thing that could happen to you would be for Israel to conquer you.

World Bank

Giving a country with a population roughly that of the greater Los Angeles area $3,000,000,000 a year might also help.

Israel's estimated GDP for 2011 was $238.2 billion dollars. That little bribe the US gives them to keep buying American military equipment and agricultural products is a 1.26% drop in the bucket.

What percentage of the "Palestinian Territories" GDP is from foreign aid?


Are you arguing that donating 1.26% of a countries' GDP (which is actually 18% of their military budget) doesn't help?
 
2012-08-01 04:35:38 PM

timujin: give me doughnuts: timujin: clambam: timujin: "But what exactly accounts for prosperity if not culture?"

not a bad point... for instance, there's the Israeli's "culture" of bombing the Palestinian's factories and neighborhoods that might make prosperity difficult.

Israel's estimated GDP for 2011 was $238.2 billion dollars. That little bribe the US gives them to keep buying American military equipment and agricultural products is a 1.26% drop in the bucket.

What percentage of the "Palestinian Territories" GDP is from foreign aid?

Are you arguing th ...


Since they turn around and spend it on American military equipment that they could otherwise just make themselves, it may actually hurt their own manufacturing base.

Have you found the aid numbers for Fatah and Hamas, yet?
 
2012-08-01 04:38:45 PM

give me doughnuts: timujin: give me doughnuts: timujin: clambam: timujin: "But what exactly accounts for prosperity if not culture?"

not a bad point... for instance, there's the Israeli's "culture" of bombing the Palestinian's factories and neighborhoods that might make prosperity difficult.

Israel's estimated GDP for 2011 was $238.2 billion dollars. That little bribe the US gives them to keep buying American military equipment and agricultural products is a 1.26% drop in the bucket.

What percentage of the "Palestinian Territories" GDP is from foreign aid?

Are you arguing th ...

Since they turn around and spend it on American military equipment that they could otherwise just make themselves, it may actually hurt their own manufacturing base.

Have you found the aid numbers for Fatah and Hamas, yet?


Nope, because I didn't bring it up. You want to make a point, do your own homework.
 
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