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2012-08-01 07:40:49 AM
So modern fighter planes can deliver death from the other side of the world, and yet are crippled by a small hand held laser pointer found in boardrooms. Go office equipment for crippling entire air forces
 
2012-08-01 08:14:08 AM
The planes aren't crippled...it's the biological units working the controls.
 
2012-08-01 08:16:50 AM
If a tourist with a laser pointer can "endanger" a United States Navy war plane, how in the Hell are you going to face an enemy? For that matter if a laser pointer can "endanger" a civilian airliner, how can you possibly claim any sort of air traffic security or safety?

Stop with the silly-assed harassment of casual morons and fix your own f*king problem.
 
2012-08-01 08:23:06 AM

Elvis_Bogart: The planes aren't crippled...it's the biological units working the controls.


Even if they were unmanned, this would be a problem. It wouldn't cause them to crash, per se, but it could blind their cameras, which gives me an interesting idea...

I'm imagining a plywood "stock" holding a batteries, a laser, and a telescopic sight. When there is a drone in the area, you have a person target the drone with the laser, blinding it.
 
2012-08-01 08:24:47 AM
pew pew pew
 
2012-08-01 08:44:12 AM
They only have to open fire on the next jerkwad that does this, and I'm pretty sure the problem would stop.
 
2012-08-01 10:29:23 AM

This About That: If a tourist with a laser pointer can "endanger" a United States Navy war plane, how in the Hell are you going to face an enemy? For that matter if a laser pointer can "endanger" a civilian airliner, how can you possibly claim any sort of air traffic security or safety?

Stop with the silly-assed harassment of casual morons and fix your own f*king problem.


And how would you fix the problem? It's light, which is supposed to filter through windows so the pilots can see.
As far as I am concerned, those 'casual morons' are deliberately endangering the lives of anybody on the planes that they flash, and possibly any number of people on the ground nearby if the plane crashes outside the boundaries of the airport. Anybody that is caught flashing planes with laser lights, should be charged.
 
2012-08-01 10:45:55 AM

Slives: This About That: If a tourist with a laser pointer can "endanger" a United States Navy war plane, how in the Hell are you going to face an enemy? For that matter if a laser pointer can "endanger" a civilian airliner, how can you possibly claim any sort of air traffic security or safety?

Stop with the silly-assed harassment of casual morons and fix your own f*king problem.

And how would you fix the problem? It's light, which is supposed to filter through windows so the pilots can see.
As far as I am concerned, those 'casual morons' are deliberately endangering the lives of anybody on the planes that they flash, and possibly any number of people on the ground nearby if the plane crashes outside the boundaries of the airport. Anybody that is caught flashing planes with laser lights, should be charged.


I agree with you that the morons who do this should be charged, but I think the big picture is that these are multi-million dollar warplanes. If a simple laser can take them down, we have big problems with their designs. We need to solve it. Make the glass filter out the wavelength of an office laser pointer on either the pilot's visor or the cockpit glass.
 
2012-08-01 11:04:26 AM

dittybopper: When there is a drone in the area, you have a person target the drone with the laser, blinding it.


Doesn't work that way with cameras. You'd only damage part of the camera and you'd be outing yourself. They could just launch a missile right back down the beam and the drone could continue its mission with nothing but a stripe on the display where the laser hit receptors.
 
2012-08-01 11:08:53 AM

SnarfVader: If a simple laser can take them down, we have big problems with their designs.


Lasers can't take down planes, but distractions can cause pilot error which can lead to a wreck.

In a war zone, your laser pointer is a big flashing beacon that says "Here I am." and all you'd do is piss the pilot off. Not a smart move when he's authorized to fire and loaded for bear.


But we can't go around lighting up civilian areas because of something as trivial as a felony. Interfering with a plane is only a 20 year penalty. Blowing up a bunch of kids and old ladies is a war crime you'll swing for. So the pilots would never shoot back. Oh, but they could.
 
2012-08-01 11:11:38 AM

SnarfVader: Slives: This About That: If a tourist with a laser pointer can "endanger" a United States Navy war plane, how in the Hell are you going to face an enemy? For that matter if a laser pointer can "endanger" a civilian airliner, how can you possibly claim any sort of air traffic security or safety?

Stop with the silly-assed harassment of casual morons and fix your own f*king problem.

And how would you fix the problem? It's light, which is supposed to filter through windows so the pilots can see.
As far as I am concerned, those 'casual morons' are deliberately endangering the lives of anybody on the planes that they flash, and possibly any number of people on the ground nearby if the plane crashes outside the boundaries of the airport. Anybody that is caught flashing planes with laser lights, should be charged.

I agree with you that the morons who do this should be charged, but I think the big picture is that these are multi-million dollar warplanes. If a simple laser can take them down, we have big problems with their designs. We need to solve it. Make the glass filter out the wavelength of an office laser pointer on either the pilot's visor or the cockpit glass.


Not really practical.

Sure, most laser pointers are red, but you can't filter out just the red, because they also come in other colors.
 
2012-08-01 11:14:24 AM

doglover: SnarfVader: If a simple laser can take them down, we have big problems with their designs.

Lasers can't take down planes, but distractions can cause pilot error which can lead to a wreck.

In a war zone, your laser pointer is a big flashing beacon that says "Here I am." and all you'd do is piss the pilot off. Not a smart move when he's authorized to fire and loaded for bear.


But we can't go around lighting up civilian areas because of something as trivial as a felony. Interfering with a plane is only a 20 year penalty. Blowing up a bunch of kids and old ladies is a war crime you'll swing for. So the pilots would never shoot back. Oh, but they could.


I understand that, but I still think we can (or at least should) engineer it out. No matter how stiff the penalties, I doubt you'll ever completely convince people morons to stop pointing lasers at planes especially if they think they won't get caught.
 
2012-08-01 11:53:27 AM
It seems like a missile that follows the laser back to its source would solve the problem
 
2012-08-01 11:53:32 AM
At first I was excited to visit this tourist destination, but then I finished reading the headline.
 
2012-08-01 11:53:40 AM
Start arresting stupid people
 
2012-08-01 11:54:05 AM
ya know, there's a simple but expensive effective fix for this sort of thing
 
2012-08-01 11:54:43 AM

This About That: If a tourist with a laser pointer can "endanger" a United States Navy war plane, how in the Hell are you going to face an enemy? For that matter if a laser pointer can "endanger" a civilian airliner, how can you possibly claim any sort of air traffic security or safety?

Stop with the silly-assed harassment of casual morons and fix your own f*king problem.


You know what? They should also be immune to bullets so feel free to fire your rifles at them when they land. It's shouldn't cause any problems either. Oh and these aren't your standard cat-toy laser pointers...
 
2012-08-01 11:55:15 AM
What makes you think it's tourists, subtard?
More likely the rednecks that live there.
 
2012-08-01 11:55:22 AM
Why do these laser stories always bring out the doubters? There's always a bunch of folks who say "there's no way you could hit a plane miles away with a laser pointer" or "I've had a laser flashed in my eyes and I didn't go blind." I mean, do people think the airline pilots are making up all the reports that get filed? The light only has to hit the cockpit for an instant to be a distracting/disorienting. To me it's the same as standing on a bridge and throwing rocks at the cars passing underneath.
 
2012-08-01 11:56:17 AM

colinspooky: So modern fighter planes can deliver death from the other side of the world, and yet are crippled by a small hand held laser pointer found in boardrooms. Go office equipment for crippling entire air forces


A new weapon for terrorists and freedom fighters everywhere.
 
2012-08-01 11:56:47 AM

abhorrent1: What makes you think it's tourists, subtard?
More likely the rednecks that live there.


Tourists? Did the article or video even single out tourists? Oh, shlubby. . .
 
2012-08-01 11:57:10 AM

Elvis_Bogart: The planes aren't crippled...it's the biological units working the controls.


And it really only matters when you're about to land, and even then 90% of the time when he's that close a pilot can probably land blind anyhow. If it just outright farked everything up inevitably, laser pointers would be one of the primary weapons on fighters, which to be fair would be kind of awesome.

You shouldn't flick a laser pointer at a plane for the same reason you shouldn't talk on a cell phone while driving-- it doesn't in any way guarantee permanent damage, but it increases the risk significantly. And a plane crash is much, much worse than a car crash, generally speaking, if only because most of the time in a car crash the only people that die are your distracted ass and your stupid friends, while in a fighter crash someone actually contributing to society might be lost.
 
2012-08-01 11:58:31 AM
But laser pointers are AWESOME. You can be like on a dark porch, right, and like SEE the beam shooting away for 100 feet. It's f*cking RAD. So then you like shine it around the yards, making all the pets chase it, which is cool right, because you're not even having to try to do anything, but you can make these pets run around, and make people come outside to see why theres a laser in their living room. Dude, that's cool. Then it's awesome, when cars come by and if you get it JUST right you can blast them in the mirror, and they slam on their brakes going WTF??? That f*cking ROCKS. Then choppers ocme by, it's time for your fourth beer, so what else are you supposed to do? I just don't see why it's such a big f*cking deal - just trying to have some damn FUN for a change. Jeez, what a bunch of pussies.
 
2012-08-01 11:58:59 AM
FFS, this is not helping the war effort against Eurasia.
 
2012-08-01 12:00:47 PM

This About That: If a tourist with a laser pointer can "endanger" a United States Navy war plane, how in the Hell are you going to face an enemy? For that matter if a laser pointer can "endanger" a civilian airliner, how can you possibly claim any sort of air traffic security or safety?

Stop with the silly-assed harassment of casual morons and fix your own f*king problem.


Seriously? Do you have a magical solution of your own to fix the problem? I'm pretty sure most enemies don't like to give away their position by throwing lasers at warplanes, especially not ones with laser guided bombs. It's not some secret mortal weakness in our air force... it's just that laser pointers are really freaking annoying when you're flying at night and could maybe, eventually, cause an accident which would be a real shame during peacetime training.
 
2012-08-01 12:01:07 PM

dukeblue219: Why do these laser stories always bring out the doubters? There's always a bunch of folks who say "there's no way you could hit a plane miles away with a laser pointer" or "I've had a laser flashed in my eyes and I didn't go blind." I mean, do people think the airline pilots are making up all the reports that get filed? The light only has to hit the cockpit for an instant to be a distracting/disorienting. To me it's the same as standing on a bridge and throwing rocks at the cars passing underneath.


If you really want to see the distance on those things... take a Green laser to the beach.

It was pretty amazing pointing it out along the coast and seeing that they damn near really do go 5 miles.
 
2012-08-01 12:03:10 PM

doglover: But we can't go around lighting up civilian areas because of something as trivial as a felony. Interfering with a plane is only a 20 year penalty. Blowing up a bunch of kids and old ladies is a war crime you'll swing for. So the pilots would never shoot back. Oh, but they could.


Hey, Congress: Give the Pentagon a few million dollars and the authority to fire glue-covered beanbags at anyone.
 
2012-08-01 12:04:21 PM

colinspooky: So modern fighter planes can deliver death from the other side of the world, and yet are crippled by a small hand held laser pointer found in boardrooms. Go office equipment for crippling entire air forces


Your're right. We should spend that defense money on public school teachers who molest children.
 
2012-08-01 12:04:43 PM

dukeblue219: Why do these laser stories always bring out the doubters? There's always a bunch of folks who say "there's no way you could hit a plane miles away with a laser pointer" or "I've had a laser flashed in my eyes and I didn't go blind." I mean, do people think the airline pilots are making up all the reports that get filed? The light only has to hit the cockpit for an instant to be a distracting/disorienting. To me it's the same as standing on a bridge and throwing rocks at the cars passing underneath.


I saw a news story a few weeks ago about dumbasses shooting lasers at commercial jets as they come in to land. They had video of the cockpit of a time when it has happened and the entire cockpit appeared to be filled with that brilliant green light (could have just been an effect from the light hitting the camera). In this instance the pilot was temporarily blinded by the light and the co-pilot had to land the plane.

It's just a matter of time before one of these assholes causes a plane to crash.
 
2012-08-01 12:09:27 PM
I was flashed by a green laser flying into Greer SC a few weeks ago. It's incredibly distracting. Both the actual light and the reminder that I have a jackass on the ground trying to blind me as I land.
 
2012-08-01 12:10:36 PM
Russian ships have been firing laser weapons at US pilots for years. The US was working on a helmet with a liquid crystal coated face shield that would go dark instantly when an on-board sensor detected a laser. Wonder how that project is going.
 
2012-08-01 12:11:19 PM

PoochUMD: I saw a news story a few weeks ago about dumbasses shooting lasers at commercial jets as they come in to land.


http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/pilots-laser-pointer-blind-terrorism- p lane-flight-landing-16733694

There's a video with some actual footage from a helicopter and a demonstration that was done at my airport a while ago. Granted the laser in that case is only 1/4 mile away, but that's somewhat plausible if a landing plane was passing over your house and you decided to light him up. All it takes is a single flash past the windows.

I want to take some of these idiots out on a dark, winding, country road and randomly set off a camera flash mounted on the hood facing the windshield. See how much they like it.
 
2012-08-01 12:11:40 PM
Can we at least all agree that people who purposefully shoot laser pointers at planes for kicks and giggles are idiotic dicks?

You don't have to agree on anything else. Just that.
 
2012-08-01 12:17:00 PM

dukeblue219: Why do these laser stories always bring out the doubters? There's always a bunch of folks who say "there's no way you could hit a plane miles away with a laser pointer" or "I've had a laser flashed in my eyes and I didn't go blind." I mean, do people think the airline pilots are making up all the reports that get filed? The light only has to hit the cockpit for an instant to be a distracting/disorienting. To me it's the same as standing on a bridge and throwing rocks at the cars passing underneath.


These people are trolls and retards. Pay them no mind.
 
2012-08-01 12:17:32 PM
Strafing run.
 
2012-08-01 12:18:33 PM

colinspooky: So modern fighter planes can deliver death from the other side of the world, and yet are crippled by a small hand held laser pointer found in boardrooms. Go office equipment for crippling entire air forces


eprmarketing.com
 
2012-08-01 12:20:45 PM
Uhh people...

"One pilot was there to talk about her experiences with lasers while in-flight."

sure it was the laser pointers, that's it, the laser pointers are the reason for your shiatty landing. Riiiiiiighht.

Why are they flying Navy Aircraft in the kitchen anyway?
 
2012-08-01 12:29:35 PM
As an American citizen, I'm okay with military aircraft opening fire on any moron who tries to blind them.
After one or two idiots get snuffed, I bet the problem goes away entirely.
 
2012-08-01 12:32:38 PM

dittybopper: SnarfVader: Slives: This About That: If a tourist with a laser pointer can "endanger" a United States Navy war plane, how in the Hell are you going to face an enemy? For that matter if a laser pointer can "endanger" a civilian airliner, how can you possibly claim any sort of air traffic security or safety?

Stop with the silly-assed harassment of casual morons and fix your own f*king problem.

And how would you fix the problem? It's light, which is supposed to filter through windows so the pilots can see.
As far as I am concerned, those 'casual morons' are deliberately endangering the lives of anybody on the planes that they flash, and possibly any number of people on the ground nearby if the plane crashes outside the boundaries of the airport. Anybody that is caught flashing planes with laser lights, should be charged.

I agree with you that the morons who do this should be charged, but I think the big picture is that these are multi-million dollar warplanes. If a simple laser can take them down, we have big problems with their designs. We need to solve it. Make the glass filter out the wavelength of an office laser pointer on either the pilot's visor or the cockpit glass.

Not really practical.

Sure, most laser pointers are red, but you can't filter out just the red, because they also come in other colors.


And where do you buy them? Why, they come in colors everywhere!
 
2012-08-01 12:32:40 PM

dittybopper: Not really practical.

Sure, most laser pointers are red, but you can't filter out just the red, because they also come in other colors.


As a laser person here, it would be pretty easy to do just that. Most laser safety goggles are multi-wavelength anyway. The lasers in laser pointers diode lasers and they come in only a few wavelengths, and most of those are meant to replicate gas laser frequencys (eg ~532 nm DPSS green lasers are usually "close enough" to 531 nm).

Never having tried to land a plane at night, though, I'd think the colored glasses would be an impediment.
 
2012-08-01 12:34:07 PM
*loads link*

Story says nothing about what the dangers are.

*loads video*

Video doesn't actually show the press conference that highlights the dangers.

Woman pilot says she couldn't see very well. Doesn't exactly 'dazzle' me. The same thing happens when I've got high beams pointed at me on the road at night. Not so much that I don't believe her, I just kinda already knew it.

Less specific pro-tip: having lasers pointed directly in your eyes- even when NOT piloting a plane or indeed any vehicle of any kind at all- is dangerous- in general.

Any other dangers I should know about?

Press conference? Woman pilot? No?

That's some fine Journalism Lou.


P.S. to Subby: Article makes no mention of "tourists" being the primary source of this stupidity.

Related link (and story in video) talks about Virginia Beach man pleading guilty to doing it... he lived in Virginia Beach, you twit.

Brilliant.
 
2012-08-01 12:34:32 PM
If you point a laser at a warplane in a combat zone, you're just asking to eat a laser-guided bomb.
 
2012-08-01 12:35:36 PM
How about training panthers and tigers to go "play" with people waving lasers at planes?
 
2012-08-01 12:36:27 PM
Perhaps we should stop hiring house cats to fly jets.
 
2012-08-01 12:39:52 PM
Armchair engineers should shut up, and folks using laser pointers to point at air craft should be charged if caught. If your friend is doing it, he or she should not your friend until he stops doing it. (And you should probably question your quality of friends.)

Pretty simple stuff really, I'm not sure why everyone assumes they can solve complex social and technical problems from the comfort of their desk or sofa.
 
2012-08-01 12:40:09 PM

SnarfVader: Slives: This About That: If a tourist with a laser pointer can "endanger" a United States Navy war plane, how in the Hell are you going to face an enemy? For that matter if a laser pointer can "endanger" a civilian airliner, how can you possibly claim any sort of air traffic security or safety?

Stop with the silly-assed harassment of casual morons and fix your own f*king problem.

And how would you fix the problem? It's light, which is supposed to filter through windows so the pilots can see.
As far as I am concerned, those 'casual morons' are deliberately endangering the lives of anybody on the planes that they flash, and possibly any number of people on the ground nearby if the plane crashes outside the boundaries of the airport. Anybody that is caught flashing planes with laser lights, should be charged.

I agree with you that the morons who do this should be charged, but I think the big picture is that these are multi-million dollar warplanes. If a simple laser can take them down, we have big problems with their designs. We need to solve it. Make the glass filter out the wavelength of an office laser pointer on either the pilot's visor or the cockpit glass.


As evidenced by our piss poor Air Force?
 
2012-08-01 12:44:45 PM

SnarfVader: Slives: This About That: If a tourist with a laser pointer can "endanger" a United States Navy war plane, how in the Hell are you going to face an enemy? For that matter if a laser pointer can "endanger" a civilian airliner, how can you possibly claim any sort of air traffic security or safety?

Stop with the silly-assed harassment of casual morons and fix your own f*king problem.

And how would you fix the problem? It's light, which is supposed to filter through windows so the pilots can see.
As far as I am concerned, those 'casual morons' are deliberately endangering the lives of anybody on the planes that they flash, and possibly any number of people on the ground nearby if the plane crashes outside the boundaries of the airport. Anybody that is caught flashing planes with laser lights, should be charged.

I agree with you that the morons who do this should be charged, but I think the big picture is that these are multi-million dollar warplanes. If a simple laser can take them down, we have big problems with their designs. We need to solve it. Make the glass filter out the wavelength of an office laser pointer on either the pilot's visor or the cockpit glass.


OK morons, I got a MSEE working on night-vision systems, so I'll make this simple for you.

These morans are not "bringing down" the aircraft.
They are interfering with the pilots who are landing the aircraft.

At combat speeds and altitude, the lasers can't affect the pilots in any significant way.

And generally, there are no laser-pointing dipwads on aircraft carriers or near the flight lines of AF bases.

/getting a kick, etc.
 
2012-08-01 12:48:28 PM
As someone who lives a) in Virginia Beach, b) who lives less than 5 miles from NAS Oceana, and c) lives under the landing path of these aircrafts, I'd appreciate it if morons would not distract the pilots while they are doing flight ops.

And to unyon that's kind of how I feel about the people who move to VB and biatch about the jet noise. Can it be aggravating? Yeah, but guess who was there before VB turned into the resort area it is now? And also, the city is the one responsible for buying up all the land that is close to the airfield to develop on. And, especially off season, the huge military presence and their families who live there contribute a whole lot of revenue to the local businesses and such.

If you read the article linked about the guy who plead guilty to shining a laser into the cockpit (more than a few times, and who seems like a jackass anyway), the pilot describes what happens when someone does that.

Grr.
 
2012-08-01 12:49:07 PM
Pointing lasers at planes: another activity that would simply never occur to me. What is wrong with people?
 
2012-08-01 12:50:28 PM

LL316: I think the big picture is that these are multi-million dollar warplanes. If a simple laser can take them down, we have big problems with their designs. We need to solve it.


Well, by all means let the Air Force know about your design for glass that does this. You will become very wealthy.

I'm guessing there are practical reasons this is not as feasible as you seem to think it is.

Anyone using a laser pointer on an airplane is committing attempted murder. I think a great solution is cameras and law enforcement.
 
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