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2012-08-01 12:40:58 PM
You see this image?

www.airsoftretreat.com

That is a safety. It has three settings: No firing (top), semi-auto (middle), and full auto (bottom).

There is NO legitimate reason that ANY NON-MILITARY PERSON should have that set on full auto, nor is there one for 50-round mags, unless fighting a tyrranical government, and even then, you really should be focusing more on aiming then spraying (aim for the face, you noobs). So here's my solution:

Guns should have GPS built in that triggers any time the safety is set to full auto. That way the cops can find your ass before you reload after shooting up the park/theater/wherever.
 
2012-08-01 12:41:58 PM

evoke: Need? There are loads of things I don't really "need". My AR-15 makes my life more enjoyable. And I have a right to own it according to the constitution. I never shot anyone. Fark off libs.


Hey, not all libs are gun-grabbing loonies. I am an atheist libby lib libtard, and I pack heat. I love guns, love taking them to the range to poke holes in targets, and I keep one loaded and locked just in case.

/Glock 20, 10mm
//Ruger LCP, .380
///Ruger .22 revolver
 
2012-08-01 12:41:58 PM

odinsposse: Aarontology: Seriously, please offer me a reasonable and rational explanation as to why someone who isn't a law enforcement officer needs to fire off that many bullets?

Law enforcement doesn't either.

I've always thought that the most reasonable standard for determining what firearms people could own would be "anything that police use." The police, after all, are civilians. They are far more like the traditional militia than any of those backwood yokel groups.

It would also be a good reason to restrain the militarization of police forces.


Exactly. They're more like military units than police forces. SWAT teams and the like exist for a reason, we don't need your average cop to be armed like a soldier.
 
2012-08-01 12:42:17 PM

dittybopper: tlchwi02: i like guns. I hunt, i own many of them, i have all my licenses.

But i do not understand why a civilian needs a semi-automatic rifle and extended magazines. The US military managed to win WW2 with the average soldier armed with an 8 round semi-auto rifle. Why does some rando person need more firepower than that? what sort of insane deer/20 person home invader assault team do people think are going to come after them?

Yes, because riots never happen. Looting in the aftermath of a major disaster never happens. Multiple criminal home invasions never happen.

I'd also point out that the average US soldier in WWII also had a guy with a for-real machine gun in his squad (Usually a BAR), he also carried a varying number of grenades, and he typically was facing an opponent carrying a 5 shot bolt action rifle (so having an 8 shot semi-auto gave him a significant advantage).

Don't get stuck on stupid.


Dont get stuck on crazy. How many riots have you been in psycho boy? Lots of looting and dark skinned people invading your home? And how the fark is a rifle, shotgun or revolver not enough protection in that situation?

But hey don't let logic interrupt your paranoia...perhaps just to be safe you should stock up in case of a zombie apocalypse. I'm sure if it does you'll come out of your weapons bunker with guns blazing and save us all.
 
2012-08-01 12:42:20 PM

Dansker: beta_plus: America needs to pass the strict gun laws of Norway. That's the only way to prevent these horrific massacres.

Norway doesn't have particularly strict gun laws. They have far more guns per capita than most populations on the planet.


Damnit, McBain!
 
2012-08-01 12:43:21 PM

Antimatter: Headso: Antimatter: No Such Agency: 1. if you need a gun for home defense... how many shots are you expecting to fire without reloading?

As many as it takes to hit the attacker. Your going to miss a few times in a panic situation, at night, while scared. It's better to have the capacity then to not have it.

I hope you don't live in an apartment complex.. heh!

I do actually, which is why I use a .40 165gr JHP rather then say, a 180 gr FMJ round.

It should stop at the walls quite nicely.


I have fired a .22 hollow point into a 50 gallon tupperware thing full of water and some of them went through to the other side, I can't see a couple sheets of drywall stopping it... But hey, I'm not yer neighbor so lock and load dude...
 
2012-08-01 12:43:24 PM

DORMAMU: CPennypacker: Slaves2Darkness: Seriously, please offer me a reasonable and rational explanation as to why someone who isn't a law enforcement officer needs to fire off that many bullets?

We know the faster you go the more likley you are to get killed or kill some one else with a motor vehicle. So Seriously, plese offer mea reasonable and rational explanantion as to why someone who isn't a law enforcement officer or rescue personel need to go faster then 30 MPH? All motor vehicles should be forced by law to go no faster then 30 MPH.

Yeah that is the argument you are making, do you see how stupid it is?

How about this one? We know that swimming pools are more dangerous to children then guns. Swimming pools kill more children each year then guns do. Seriously, offer me a reasonable explanantion as to why someone who is not an adult is allowed to swim?

Because swimming pools and cars have primary functions that aren't killing people/causing physical damage. This argument was just as stupid when people started bringing it up two weeks ago.

Yet they are every bit as lethal when improperly used...

Are their more guns in the u s of a or swimming pools? Which has got a higher fatality rate?

While unorthodox, his comparison is valid.

Or if you prefer, the internet was designed to make sure the military could nuke the world into a burnt cinder. The internet has a lethal purpose. Ban it.


No, he doesn't have a valid point, but its cute that you are able to twist logic until it supports your worldview.
 
2012-08-01 12:44:01 PM

CPennypacker: Giltric: Wild dogs/coyotes run in packs.

Until the government can prevent that from happening I need at least 30 round mags.


The number of crimes committed with assault weapons with hi cap mags is less then the amount of voter fraud committed....so using logic provided by the anti voter ID crowd assault weapons and hi cap magazines should not be legislated.

Your point will be valid when voter fraud starts killing people


Lyndon Johnson won his 1948 election to the Senate based on voter fraud. If he had lost, he most likely would have ended his political career, and he wouldn't have been VP when Kennedy (who's presidential election is often considered tainted by voter fraud) got shot, thus becoming President. If that hadn't happened, he wouldn't have been in the position to escalate our involvement in Vietnam, which killed at least 58,000 Americans, and dog knows how many Vietnamese. The guns I currently own have killed 0 people, so they are less dangerous than voter fraud.
 
2012-08-01 12:45:16 PM

Jacko8x: CPennypacker: Oh look another one of these threads

Repeal the second amendment

Gun ownership should be legal but it shouldn't be a right

I still have a hard time believing that it is a right:

The Second Amendment
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

We, as a people, need to stop ignoring the first half. We are long overdue in this country on having a discussion on what the first half actually means (A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state,). Let's have this talk before we decide that you have the legal right to shoot and kill the door-to-door salesman that came on your property. Allowing anyone to buy a gun does not sound like a well regulated militia to me......


Go read 10 U.S.C. sec. 311. If you are between that ages of 17 and 45, are an able-bodied US citizen (or a legal resident in the process of becoming naturalized), then you are in the militia.
 
2012-08-01 12:46:02 PM
Nope. Don't need one.

Why? Because I've already got one.

No Such Agency:
1. if you need a gun for home defense... how many shots are you expecting to fire without reloading?
2. if you need a gun for hunting... how many shots are you expecting to fire without reloading?
3. if you need a gun to protect yourself from tyrannical government... lol good luck, maybe you shouldn't have spent your adult life voting for the biggest ass buckets on the ballot.

Then again I'm not American, so perhaps I simply don't understand some obvious reason citizens should not be restricted from stockpiling small arms with few if any restrictions to protect the public from violent nutters.


I'm expecting to fire anywhere between zero to twenty-eight shots on my way to my rifles, then a number between zero and 120 when I reach my AK. Depends on the situation. Sure, there will be a few realods in there, but I'm quick enough that the time won't be significant.

I don't hunt, so zero.

My gun protects me from tyrannical government by existing. Consider this: there are almost 89 firearms in the USA for every 100 people. If any government should wish to exercise tyranny on the American population, think about the expense. That's the function the guns serve: to make any foreign or domestic jackboot crew think twice about trying to crush the American people, because we'd cost too damn much in blood to put down.

As for why we should have them: because we're free. We toyed with the idea of being subjects, said "No thank you, George," and rose up and freed ourselves. We paid for that freedom with our own blood, twice if you're on the "Civil War was about slavery" side. Three times if you're crazy enough to think England cared about the War of 1812. Freedom is the reason I am armed, for I will have no man, be he drugged up mugger, home invader, or homeland invader, encroach upon my freedom.

And if that's not a good enough reason for you, I say screw you and your little queen too.
 
2012-08-01 12:46:10 PM

devildog123: Lyndon Johnson won his 1948 election to the Senate based on voter fraud. If he had lost, he most likely would have ended his political career, and he wouldn't have been VP when Kennedy (who's presidential election is often considered tainted by voter fraud) got shot, thus becoming President. If that hadn't happened, he wouldn't have been in the position to escalate our involvement in Vietnam, which killed at least 58,000 Americans, and dog knows how many Vietnamese. The guns I currently own have killed 0 people, so they are less dangerous than voter fraud.


Did you call in John Yoo to torture that logic? I can hear it screaming from here.
 
2012-08-01 12:46:52 PM

syrynxx: The spring system on the Beta C-Mag allows for indefinite storage while loaded, vs. conventional magazines whose spring tension decays over time due to metal fatigue. Even with only a few rounds stored in a Beta C-Mag, it's a better magazine for home defense than a stock one. Also, you might want to look up all the words in the Second Amendment you claim to support.


Beta magazines are abysmal hunks of crap. Holmes had to reload (downing his AR15) because his Beta mag failed. This mirrors every instance of high rate of fire that I've seen with a Beta mag (or most comparable versions AR drum mags). There seems to be two versions that work, the old pre-94 Norinco's based on the AK drum design and the new XS 50rd drum.

Having said that, magazine springs fail from metal fatigue from use (being loaded then emptied via firing or manual emptying). I've seen mags stored loaded full for months to years that function fine. Metallurgy and magazine design have greatly improved in the 45+ years since the introduction of Stoners AR platform.

The more you know.
 
2012-08-01 12:47:21 PM

devildog123: CPennypacker: Giltric: Wild dogs/coyotes run in packs.

Until the government can prevent that from happening I need at least 30 round mags.


The number of crimes committed with assault weapons with hi cap mags is less then the amount of voter fraud committed....so using logic provided by the anti voter ID crowd assault weapons and hi cap magazines should not be legislated.

Your point will be valid when voter fraud starts killing people

Lyndon Johnson won his 1948 election to the Senate based on voter fraud. If he had lost, he most likely would have ended his political career, and he wouldn't have been VP when Kennedy (who's presidential election is often considered tainted by voter fraud) got shot, thus becoming President. If that hadn't happened, he wouldn't have been in the position to escalate our involvement in Vietnam, which killed at least 58,000 Americans, and dog knows how many Vietnamese. The guns I currently own have killed 0 people, so they are less dangerous than voter fraud.


If you're going to go back that many degrees then you need to count all of the deaths caused by the same kinds of guns you own since you wouldn't have them if the manufacturer wasn't making them and selling them.
 
2012-08-01 12:47:28 PM

No Such Agency: dittybopper:
Which brings up an interesting point: Why should we extend game laws that were intended to limit the capabilities of hunters in order to foster a mentality of "fair chase", and to assure that game species thrive so that future hunters would be able to hunt, to guns, magazines, and/or accessories not generally intended to be used for hunting?

Well there is the small matter that perhaps magazines intended to make it less convenient for a hunter to massacre every deer in his wood lot ALSO make it less convenient for some loony toon to massacre every human being in a crowded cinema.

1. if you need a gun for home defense... how many shots are you expecting to fire without reloading?


I don't know. I'm not psychic.

2. if you need a gun for hunting... how many shots are you expecting to fire without reloading?


For me? Precisely one. This is what I hunt with:

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I do that because I found it to be too easy to hunt with a modern rifle. No "sport" in it anymore. But if I were shooting for survival reasons, either defensively or for food*, I'd use every farkin' way to cheat possible.


3. if you need a gun to protect yourself from tyrannical government... lol good luck, maybe you shouldn't have spent your adult life voting for the biggest ass buckets on the ballot.


So if I don't vote for the biggest ass buckets, and neither does anyone else, that guarantees that my son, or his son, or my great grandson won't have to fight? How about my great-great-grandson? You can guarantee that?

Then again I'm not American, so perhaps I simply don't understand some obvious reason citizens should not be restricted from stockpiling small arms with few if any restrictions to protect the public from violent nutters.


Because this country was forged when the government tried to keep people from stockpiling arms. Back then, they were considered the violent nutters, and the crown thought it had a duty to protect it's subjects from those violent nutters.

*I'd actually probably set up snares and other traps. Less effort, and you don't have to worry about wasting precious ammo.
 
2012-08-01 12:47:48 PM

friday13: You see this image?

[www.airsoftretreat.com image 640x480]

That is a safety. It has three settings: No firing (top), semi-auto (middle), and full auto (bottom).

There is NO legitimate reason that ANY NON-MILITARY PERSON should have that set on full auto, nor is there one for 50-round mags, unless fighting a tyrranical government, and even then, you really should be focusing more on aiming then spraying (aim for the face, you noobs). So here's my solution:

Guns should have GPS built in that triggers any time the safety is set to full auto. That way the cops can find your ass before you reload after shooting up the park/theater/wherever.


Jeez.....people who know nothing about whats higly restricted/regulated under current law should not be asking for further legislation.

Its like men deciding on womens issues.
 
2012-08-01 12:48:23 PM
To all of you gun lovers, feel free to go buy your Glock, shotgun, hunting rifle, .22 pistol, .357 Magnum or any of the other guns at your disposal.
But you do not need an AK-47.


The funny thing?

Most "hunting rifles" are more powerful than the AK, and many have multi-round magazines, and you can usually buy bigger ones. This is just one more person stuck on how a gun "looks", who decided that it's time to chime in... I can buy 100 7mm Magnum elephant guns, with a bulllet almoist as big as thr friggin' AK itself, and this dude is fine with that because it's a "hunting" rifle...
 
2012-08-01 12:48:23 PM
In the wake of Aurora it is clear that the best thing we can do as a society is nothing.

Laws aren't meant to protect us directly. Rather, they're meant to protect our guns, which in turn will do the actual protecting. And, as of now, the laws protect our guns just fine.

If we need to find someone at fault here, it would be those that went to see the movie. They knew that they were going out in public, and they also knew that sometimes out in public there are bad guys. They should have been prepared for the OK Corrall, but instead they acted as though they were going out for a stroll on Sesame Street. That's what happens when you don't excercise your Second Amendment rights.

/needs another shower now
 
2012-08-01 12:48:54 PM

Headso: I have fired a .22 hollow point into a 50 gallon tupperware thing full of water and some of them went through to the other side, I can't see a couple sheets of drywall stopping it... But hey, I'm not yer neighbor so lock and load dude...


It may seem counter intuitive but smaller caliber bullets penetrate further through water. TMYK.
 
2012-08-01 12:49:16 PM

Jacko8x: CPennypacker: Oh look another one of these threads

Repeal the second amendment

Gun ownership should be legal but it shouldn't be a right

I still have a hard time believing that it is a right:

The Second Amendment
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

We, as a people, need to stop ignoring the first half. We are long overdue in this country on having a discussion on what the first half actually means (A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state,). Let's have this talk before we decide that you have the legal right to shoot and kill the door-to-door salesman that came on your property. Allowing anyone to buy a gun does not sound like a well regulated militia to me......


OK, fine, we'll go with the government's definition of the militia then. I pull this out every damn time someone makes the argument.

TITLE 10 - ARMED FORCES
Subtitle A - General Military Law
PART I - ORGANIZATION AND GENERAL MILITARY POWERS
CHAPTER 13 - THE MILITIA

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied
males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section
313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a
declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States
and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the
National Guard.

I'm an able bodied male between the ages of 17 and 45, and a citizen of the United States. I'm in "the militia of the United States". Does this mean I can own whatever the fark I want?
 
2012-08-01 12:50:58 PM

devildog123: I'm an able bodied male between the ages of 17 and 45, and a citizen of the United States. I'm in "the militia of the United States".


I think you skipped the 'National Guard' part.
 
2012-08-01 12:51:05 PM

friday13: Guns should have GPS built in that triggers any time the safety is set to full auto. That way the cops can find your ass before you reload after shooting up the park/theater/wherever.


Fair enough. Now, where did I put that roll of aluminum foil....

in case you aren't smart enough to get it, I can completely nullify that by surrounding the GPS antenna with foil, preventing it from receiving a signal or from transmitting it's location.
 
2012-08-01 12:52:43 PM

hillbillypharmacist: devildog123: I'm an able bodied male between the ages of 17 and 45, and a citizen of the United States. I'm in "the militia of the United States".

I think you skipped the 'National Guard' part.


The NG did not exist during the drafting on the Constitution.

The poster missed the part about the organized militia (NG/military) and unorganized militia.(everyone else)
 
2012-08-01 12:53:15 PM

the_geek: Headso: I have fired a .22 hollow point into a 50 gallon tupperware thing full of water and some of them went through to the other side, I can't see a couple sheets of drywall stopping it... But hey, I'm not yer neighbor so lock and load dude...

It may seem counter intuitive but smaller caliber bullets penetrate further through water. TMYK.


There's also a video of some guy shooting though a bunch of water and denim with the .40 the other poster was referring to. We're talking about some drywall here, if your gun can't shoot through that you can't shoot through a heavy winter coat and a sweater and then what's the point of even using it. What are these magical rounds that kill people but don't go through thin apartment walls.
 
2012-08-01 12:53:31 PM

hillbillypharmacist: devildog123: I'm an able bodied male between the ages of 17 and 45, and a citizen of the United States. I'm in "the militia of the United States".

I think you skipped the 'National Guard' part.


That only applies to females. Females who are in the National Guard are part of the militia.
 
2012-08-01 12:53:31 PM

hillbillypharmacist: devildog123: I'm an able bodied male between the ages of 17 and 45, and a citizen of the United States. I'm in "the militia of the United States".

I think you skipped the 'National Guard' part.


The part only about females?
 
2012-08-01 12:53:38 PM

hillbillypharmacist: devildog123: I'm an able bodied male between the ages of 17 and 45, and a citizen of the United States. I'm in "the militia of the United States".

I think you skipped the 'National Guard' part.


No, I didn't. I think you misread. The 'National Guard' applies to FEMALE citizens. Women aren't considered part of 'the militia' unless they're in the National Guard. By your way of thinking girls who aren't in the National Guard can't own guns, but it's almost my patriotic duty to own weapons.
 
2012-08-01 12:53:46 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Seriously, please offer me a reasonable and rational explanation as to why someone who isn't a law enforcement officer needs to fire off that many bullets?

We know the faster you go the more likley you are to get killed or kill some one else with a motor vehicle. So Seriously, plese offer mea reasonable and rational explanantion as to why someone who isn't a law enforcement officer or rescue personel need to go faster then 30 MPH? All motor vehicles should be forced by law to go no faster then 30 MPH.

Yeah that is the argument you are making, do you see how stupid it is?

How about this one? We know that swimming pools are more dangerous to children then guns. Swimming pools kill more children each year then guns do. Seriously, offer me a reasonable explanantion as to why someone who is not an adult is allowed to swim?


encrypted-tbn2.google.com
 
2012-08-01 12:55:30 PM

devildog123: No, I didn't. I think you misread. The 'National Guard' applies to FEMALE citizens. Women aren't considered part of 'the militia' unless they're in the National Guard. By your way of thinking girls who aren't in the National Guard can't own guns, but it's almost my patriotic duty to own weapons.


Oh, you're right. That's funny.
 
2012-08-01 12:55:54 PM

Dansker: beta_plus: America needs to pass the strict gun laws of Norway. That's the only way to prevent these horrific massacres.

Norway doesn't have particularly strict gun laws. They have far more guns per capita than most populations on the planet.


They're stricter than America's. Sorry, try harder.
 
2012-08-01 12:57:20 PM

devildog123: Jacko8x: CPennypacker: Oh look another one of these threads

Repeal the second amendment

Gun ownership should be legal but it shouldn't be a right

I still have a hard time believing that it is a right:

The Second Amendment
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

We, as a people, need to stop ignoring the first half. We are long overdue in this country on having a discussion on what the first half actually means (A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state,). Let's have this talk before we decide that you have the legal right to shoot and kill the door-to-door salesman that came on your property. Allowing anyone to buy a gun does not sound like a well regulated militia to me......

OK, fine, we'll go with the government's definition of the militia then. I pull this out every damn time someone makes the argument.

TITLE 10 - ARMED FORCES
Subtitle A - General Military Law
PART I - ORGANIZATION AND GENERAL MILITARY POWERS
CHAPTER 13 - THE MILITIA

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied
males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section
313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a
declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States
and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the
National Guard.

I'm an able bodied male between the ages of 17 and 45, and a citizen of the United States. I'm in "the militia of the United States". Does this mean I can own whatever the fark I want?


Yup, so long as it is part of a "well regulated" militia! Also, does this mean that alone over the age of 45 does not have the right "to keep and bear arms"?
 
2012-08-01 12:57:55 PM

Headso: Antimatter: Headso: Antimatter: No Such Agency: 1. if you need a gun for home defense... how many shots are you expecting to fire without reloading?

As many as it takes to hit the attacker. Your going to miss a few times in a panic situation, at night, while scared. It's better to have the capacity then to not have it.

I hope you don't live in an apartment complex.. heh!

I do actually, which is why I use a .40 165gr JHP rather then say, a 180 gr FMJ round.

It should stop at the walls quite nicely.

I have fired a .22 hollow point into a 50 gallon tupperware thing full of water and some of them went through to the other side, I can't see a couple sheets of drywall stopping it... But hey, I'm not yer neighbor so lock and load dude...


Good point. Might have to switch to some air-safety rounds or something.

Although honestly, I hope never to ever have to use it against a person.
 
2012-08-01 01:01:36 PM

Jacko8x: alone


Jacko8x: Yup, so long as it is part of a "well regulated" militia! Also, does this mean that alone over the age of 45 does not have the right "to keep and bear arms"?


Sorry, I meant - Does this mean that anyone over the age of 45 does not have the right "to keep and bear arms"?
 
2012-08-01 01:02:35 PM
Why would someone need a 100 round magazine?

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They're an invasive species and hostile.
 
2012-08-01 01:04:52 PM

No Such Agency: Antimatter:
No Such Agency: 1. if you need a gun for home defense... how many shots are you expecting to fire without reloading?

As many as it takes to hit the attacker. Your going to miss a few times in a panic situation, at night, while scared. It's better to have the capacity then to not have it.

The average # of shots fired in self-defense seems to be less than three*. You think you might need 17-30?

* source: I Googled "average number of shots fired in self-defense"


A higher capacity mag does allow you to spend more time isolating the actual discharge of the firearm when practicing (ie target shooting). You spend less time disrupting your form when reloading. This can* help isolate any aim issues you are having.

However, I agree 100 round drum is a tiny bit excessive. 99 should be good (ducks)

*less reloading helped my pistol firm alot - went to standard high capacity pistol mag (+5 rounds over standard.

As far as avg number of shots fired in self defense, I wont dispute that. However look at avg number of shots fired per person in police shootings. I would wager a vast majority of the self defense shooters shoot far more rounds in practice snd are thusly much better shots. Could be viewed they can be trusted more with rhe higher capacity as a result.
 
2012-08-01 01:05:49 PM

syrynxx: Seriously, please offer me a reasonable and rational explanation as to why someone who isn't a law enforcement officer needs to fire off that many bullets?


Because I want to and I can.....eabod.

/has a scary looking rifle in gun safe. Thanks Mikhail!
 
2012-08-01 01:06:59 PM

beta_plus: Dansker: beta_plus: America needs to pass the strict gun laws of Norway. That's the only way to prevent these horrific massacres.

Norway doesn't have particularly strict gun laws. They have far more guns per capita than most populations on the planet.

They're stricter than America's.


Yes, captain obvious.

Sorry, try harder.

Try what?
 
2012-08-01 01:07:46 PM
I know some farmers who use a number of tools to maintain their property and business. Some of these tools are guns. Quite nice people.

I'm also acquainted with a bunch of gun culture douchebags. I don't think they're douchebags because of the guns so much as the guns represent a power the douchebags want to be a part of.

I just assume that anybody who owns a gun and doesn't have a business case for it is a piece of human garbage unless I've got strong reason to believe otherwise. Saves a lot of time.

/don't like the respect your conduct has earned you? conduct yourself differently
 
2012-08-01 01:09:04 PM

Headso: There's also a video of some guy shooting though a bunch of water and denim with the .40 the other poster was referring to. We're talking about some drywall here, if your gun can't shoot through that you can't shoot through a heavy winter coat and a sweater and then what's the point of even using it. What are these magical rounds that kill people but don't go through thin apartment walls.


Sorry, I wasn't disagreeing with you.. just posting some trivia.
 
2012-08-01 01:09:07 PM

Anenu: Considering that even if automatic guns such as the AK were made illegal people who wanted to use them to kill people would still be able to get their hands on them I don't really see a need to make them illegal, controlled yes, illegal no.


I assume you mean semi-automatic. Which media outlet do you work for?

You cannot legally own an "automatic" (select fire) AK unless you have a class C firearms license.
 
2012-08-01 01:09:45 PM

jesdynf: /don't like the respect your conduct has earned you? conduct yourself differently


Owning a legal item is now a "conduct"

Cool story bro.
 
2012-08-01 01:13:52 PM
Seriously, please offer me a reasonable and rational explanation as to why someone who isn't a law enforcement officer needs to fire off that many bullets?

Single loading extended plinking sessions.
 
2012-08-01 01:14:59 PM

friday13: You see this image?
There is NO legitimate reason that ANY NON-MILITARY PERSON should have that set on full auto, nor is there one for 50-round mags, unless fighting a tyrranical government, and even then, you really should be focusing more on aiming then spraying (aim for the face, you noobs). So here's my solution:


You do realize full auto weapons are not the subject here, right? Last I heard there have been a total of 2 (two) homicides with legally owned fully automatic weapons in the United States since 1934, and in both cases, the murderers were police officers. There is no crime problem at all with legally owned fully automatic firearms.

But you do make an interesting point (but not intentionally), the authors of these bills count on people not knowing the difference between a real machine gun, for example an M-16 or AK 47, and guns that look like machine guns, like the AR15 series and any of a thousand AK Pattern semi auto rifles.

In reality, there is no crime problem with rifles at all, and even less with military pattern semi-autos. FBI reports rifles are used in less that 3% of crimes involving firearms, that is ALL rifles, not just scary looking ones.
 
2012-08-01 01:15:00 PM

dittybopper: in case you aren't smart enough to get it, I can completely nullify that by surrounding the GPS antenna with foil, preventing it from receiving a signal or from transmitting it's location.


But if you wrap the safety in foil, how will you change it?
 
2012-08-01 01:16:16 PM

Death_Poot: Anenu: Considering that even if automatic guns such as the AK were made illegal people who wanted to use them to kill people would still be able to get their hands on them I don't really see a need to make them illegal, controlled yes, illegal no.

I assume you mean semi-automatic. Which media outlet do you work for?

You cannot legally own an "automatic" (select fire) AK unless you have a class C firearms license.


El Wrongo.

Any American who can own a firearm can own a select-fire AK. All you need is someone willing to sell their rare, exceedingly valuable asset; a dealer - or pair of dealers if the gun in question crosses state lines - licensed to deal said firearms; about $25,000 to buy the gun; about $600 for tax stamp, dealer commissions, and shipping; a sheriff or chief of police willing to give you a signature; passport photo; fingerprints; and about six to nine months to wait for the ATF to get their shiat together...

See? No license needed!
 
2012-08-01 01:19:19 PM
Again, gun owners are fine with massacres carried out by their brethren. This isn't an issue for them.
 
2012-08-01 01:21:31 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Again, gun owners are fine with massacres carried out by their brethren. This isn't an issue for them.


Fascinating analysis, chap.
 
2012-08-01 01:21:32 PM

DeArmondVI: In the wake of Aurora it is clear that the best thing we can do as a society is nothing.

Laws aren't meant to protect us directly. Rather, they're meant to protect our guns, which in turn will do the actual protecting. And, as of now, the laws protect our guns just fine.

If we need to find someone at fault here, it would be those that went to see the movie. They knew that they were going out in public, and they also knew that sometimes out in public there are bad guys. They should have been prepared for the OK Corrall, but instead they acted as though they were going out for a stroll on Sesame Street. That's what happens when you don't excercise your Second Amendment rights.

/needs another shower now


That's because like so many people, you are focusing on the tools, and not the twisted mind that wielded them. Better psychological/psychiatric diagnosis and treatment and social support systems will prevent rampages like Aurora and Virginia Tech far better than trying to ban or eliminate the weapons they happened to use.
 
2012-08-01 01:22:16 PM

hillbillypharmacist: I'm doing my part!


Do you eat them? I've heard from some that they are full of germs.
 
2012-08-01 01:22:38 PM

CPennypacker: DORMAMU: CPennypacker: Slaves2Darkness: Seriously, please offer me a reasonable and rational explanation as to why someone who isn't a law enforcement officer needs to fire off that many bullets?

We know the faster you go the more likley you are to get killed or kill some one else with a motor vehicle. So Seriously, plese offer mea reasonable and rational explanantion as to why someone who isn't a law enforcement officer or rescue personel need to go faster then 30 MPH? All motor vehicles should be forced by law to go no faster then 30 MPH.

Yeah that is the argument you are making, do you see how stupid it is?

How about this one? We know that swimming pools are more dangerous to children then guns. Swimming pools kill more children each year then guns do. Seriously, offer me a reasonable explanantion as to why someone who is not an adult is allowed to swim?

Because swimming pools and cars have primary functions that aren't killing people/causing physical damage. This argument was just as stupid when people started bringing it up two weeks ago.

Yet they are every bit as lethal when improperly used...

Are their more guns in the u s of a or swimming pools? Which has got a higher fatality rate?

While unorthodox, his comparison is valid.

Or if you prefer, the internet was designed to make sure the military could nuke the world into a burnt cinder. The internet has a lethal purpose. Ban it.

No, he doesn't have a valid point, but its cute that you are able to twist logic until it supports your worldview.


And it is nice you can dismiss anything that threatens yours.

the results are what matters. Firearms have legitimate intended and designed uses other than homicide. This is fact. Target shooting is an olympic sport is you need proof.

I even provided an example of something that was designed to be integral in the most lethal (potentially) weapon system of all time, the nuclear strike to satisfy your original intent facet of your argument. The internet.

Show me where fireaems result in more injuries than cars annually. (remember, accidents must be included cause there are accifental shootings)

Show me where firearms kill more children than swimming pools.

The onus is on you to refute my statements. Or do you prefer to say, to illustrate, 100firearms caused childrens deaths are more important that 200 drownings of said children?
 
2012-08-01 01:23:00 PM
You should not be prohibited from buying an assault rifle w/a 100 round magazine to use for hunting.

You should, however, be made vicious fun of for being such a lousy shot and incredibly unsporting.

/very pro-gun
//but seriously, you need to give the deer a chance if you want to claim that what you're doing is a sport
 
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