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2012-08-01 06:27:19 AM
may be it shouldn't be... maybe it won't be in the future ... but it was when you did it.
 
2012-08-01 10:12:42 AM
That's so strange, considering a British judge is forcing Apple to admit Samsung didn't rip them off.
 
2012-08-01 10:14:12 AM
Relevant.

sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-08-01 10:17:56 AM
Trollish headline is trollish.

/ifanboiis are annoying.
 
2012-08-01 10:21:11 AM

sammyk: Trollish headline is trollish.


Yeah it kind of is. The article says nothing like what the headline suggests.

Samsung's actual response was more along the lines of: "Apple didn't invent the farking rounded rectangle. And if anyone had, it would have been these companies that made similar products a decade before the iPad came along."
 
2012-08-01 10:42:02 AM
Maybe if they'd stop making all their tablets black with metal trim, they wouldn't be yelled at for copying that other black tablet with the metal trim.
 
2012-08-01 10:42:06 AM
just the other day i was at starbucks working on my screenplay when this guy sat down at the table next to me and pulled out what looked like a macbook pro, but was actually some kind of knock-off made by dell. i was blown away by the blatant rip-off move by dell: apple's clamshell design, portable sized design, a keyboard and trackpad (although it looked like they slightly changed the keyboard layout - NICE TRY DELL), even a power cord. i really hope once apple finishes with samsung, the sue dell into oblivion for copying apple's macbook design.
 
2012-08-01 10:43:01 AM
And the winners are .... the lawyers!
 
2012-08-01 10:50:19 AM
You mean smart phones look like smart phones? Unpossible.
 
2012-08-01 10:59:23 AM

thomps: just the other day i was at starbucks working on my screenplay when this guy sat down at the table next to me and pulled out what looked like a macbook pro, but was actually some kind of knock-off made by dell. i was blown away by the blatant rip-off move by dell: apple's clamshell design, portable sized design, a keyboard and trackpad (although it looked like they slightly changed the keyboard layout - NICE TRY DELL), even a power cord. i really hope once apple finishes with samsung, the sue dell into oblivion for copying apple's macbook design.


Why do you even care?
 
2012-08-01 10:59:33 AM
And the iPhone is a completely original design, isn't it?
i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-01 11:07:25 AM

sammyk: thomps: just the other day i was at starbucks working on my screenplay when this guy sat down at the table next to me and pulled out what looked like a macbook pro, but was actually some kind of knock-off made by dell. i was blown away by the blatant rip-off move by dell: apple's clamshell design, portable sized design, a keyboard and trackpad (although it looked like they slightly changed the keyboard layout - NICE TRY DELL), even a power cord. i really hope once apple finishes with samsung, the sue dell into oblivion for copying apple's macbook design.

Why do you even care?


because his inferior macbook pro (i think he called it a "laptop" when i pointed it out to him) made the whole starbucks feel a little less cool and totally f*cked up my creative juices. because of that asshole, the world might never be treated to my modern adaptation of candide featuring barack obama as the title character. fark dell.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-01 11:10:44 AM

Majick Thise: may be it shouldn't be... maybe it won't be in the future ... but it was when you did it.


Is anything Apple ever did original?

I had smart phones long before there were even rumors about Apple making a phone. There were mp3 players long before the iPod was out.
 
2012-08-01 11:11:16 AM
www.northerndtool.com
 
2012-08-01 11:11:59 AM
Do we have to have this Apple v. Samsung thread three times a week?
 
2012-08-01 11:27:55 AM

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: Do we have to have this Apple v. Samsung thread three times a week?


Stop whining or it will be four times a week.
 
2012-08-01 11:53:12 AM

thomps: sammyk: thomps: just the other day i was at starbucks working on my screenplay when this guy sat down at the table next to me and pulled out what looked like a macbook pro, but was actually some kind of knock-off made by dell. i was blown away by the blatant rip-off move by dell: apple's clamshell design, portable sized design, a keyboard and trackpad (although it looked like they slightly changed the keyboard layout - NICE TRY DELL), even a power cord. i really hope once apple finishes with samsung, the sue dell into oblivion for copying apple's macbook design.

Why do you even care?

because his inferior macbook pro (i think he called it a "laptop" when i pointed it out to him) made the whole starbucks feel a little less cool and totally f*cked up my creative juices. because of that asshole, the world might never be treated to my modern adaptation of candide featuring barack obama as the title character. fark dell.


That's just sad. It's also the reason the world is full of apple fanboii hatred. Starbucks shares that derision.

Seriously, why do you give a flying fark that someone else decided to save some money and bought a laptop that meets thier needs?
 
2012-08-01 12:13:19 PM

vpb: I had smart phones long before there were even rumors about Apple making a phone. There were mp3 players long before the iPod was out.


Pssstt...The Mac is just a PC running ant OS other than WIndows, that can't be upgraded and that costs 10x too much.
 
2012-08-01 12:27:10 PM

sammyk: thomps: sammyk: thomps: just the other day i was at starbucks working on my screenplay when this guy sat down at the table next to me and pulled out what looked like a macbook pro, but was actually some kind of knock-off made by dell. i was blown away by the blatant rip-off move by dell: apple's clamshell design, portable sized design, a keyboard and trackpad (although it looked like they slightly changed the keyboard layout - NICE TRY DELL), even a power cord. i really hope once apple finishes with samsung, the sue dell into oblivion for copying apple's macbook design.

Why do you even care?

because his inferior macbook pro (i think he called it a "laptop" when i pointed it out to him) made the whole starbucks feel a little less cool and totally f*cked up my creative juices. because of that asshole, the world might never be treated to my modern adaptation of candide featuring barack obama as the title character. fark dell.

That's just sad. It's also the reason the world is full of apple fanboii hatred. Starbucks shares that derision.

Seriously, why do you give a flying fark that someone else decided to save some money and bought a laptop that meets thier needs?


why do i give a flying fark? maybe because i care about and respect intellectual property?! why can't dell come up with its own products rather than stealing from innovators like apple. i mean how blatant can you be: a mobile computer with integrated keyboard and trackpad? get off macbook's nuts, dell!
 
2012-08-01 12:27:17 PM

cretinbob: Pssstt...The Mac is just a PC running ant OS other than WIndows, that can't be upgraded and that costs 10x too much.


This criticism was stupid 15 years ago, when it was even more true.
 
2012-08-01 12:33:53 PM
I own 99% of my product's industry.

I'm going to sue the remaining 1%.
 
2012-08-01 12:38:55 PM

Majick Thise: may be it shouldn't be... maybe it won't be in the future ... but it was when you did it.


sammyk: thomps: sammyk: thomps: just the other day i was at starbucks working on my screenplay when this guy sat down at the table next to me and pulled out what looked like a macbook pro, but was actually some kind of knock-off made by dell. i was blown away by the blatant rip-off move by dell: apple's clamshell design, portable sized design, a keyboard and trackpad (although it looked like they slightly changed the keyboard layout - NICE TRY DELL), even a power cord. i really hope once apple finishes with samsung, the sue dell into oblivion for copying apple's macbook design.

Why do you even care?

because his inferior macbook pro (i think he called it a "laptop" when i pointed it out to him) made the whole starbucks feel a little less cool and totally f*cked up my creative juices. because of that asshole, the world might never be treated to my modern adaptation of candide featuring barack obama as the title character. fark dell.

That's just sad. It's also the reason the world is full of apple fanboii hatred. Starbucks shares that derision.

Seriously, why do you give a flying fark that someone else decided to save some money and bought a laptop that meets thier needs?


Please tell me you're not serious and are just playing along...
 
2012-08-01 12:39:34 PM

Majick Thise: may be it shouldn't be... maybe it won't be in the future ... but it was when you did it.


And? You can't patent style.
 
2012-08-01 12:54:51 PM

timujin: Majick Thise: may be it shouldn't be... maybe it won't be in the future ... but it was when you did it.

sammyk: thomps: sammyk: thomps: just the other day i was at starbucks working on my screenplay when this guy sat down at the table next to me and pulled out what looked like a macbook pro, but was actually some kind of knock-off made by dell. i was blown away by the blatant rip-off move by dell: apple's clamshell design, portable sized design, a keyboard and trackpad (although it looked like they slightly changed the keyboard layout - NICE TRY DELL), even a power cord. i really hope once apple finishes with samsung, the sue dell into oblivion for copying apple's macbook design.

Why do you even care?

because his inferior macbook pro (i think he called it a "laptop" when i pointed it out to him) made the whole starbucks feel a little less cool and totally f*cked up my creative juices. because of that asshole, the world might never be treated to my modern adaptation of candide featuring barack obama as the title character. fark dell.

That's just sad. It's also the reason the world is full of apple fanboii hatred. Starbucks shares that derision.

Seriously, why do you give a flying fark that someone else decided to save some money and bought a laptop that meets thier needs?

Please tell me you're not serious and are just playing along...


I'm trying to reverse troll. And now you have made me break character. Thanks a lot!
 
2012-08-01 01:43:45 PM
Of course, no reasonable person would believe Apple's ads anyway.
 
2012-08-01 02:11:56 PM

MacEnvy: cretinbob: Pssstt...The Mac is just a PC running ant OS other than WIndows, that can't be upgraded and that costs 10x too much.

This criticism was stupid 15 years ago, when it was even more true.


We have this conversation every Apple vs. Everyone Else thread, and it always is proven that the claim is still true.
 
2012-08-01 02:12:53 PM

Majick Thise: may be it shouldn't be... maybe it won't be in the future ... but it was when you did it.


Not it wasn't, if that was the case the entire TV industry owes philco billions for inventing the square shape TV shape.
 
2012-08-01 02:15:26 PM

sammyk: /ifanboiis are annoying.


Haters create fanboys. If no one had hated on the Mac, there would be no Apple fanboys.
 
2012-08-01 02:18:08 PM

sammyk: timujin: Majick Thise: may be it shouldn't be... maybe it won't be in the future ... but it was when you did it.

sammyk: thomps: sammyk: thomps: just the other day i was at starbucks working on my screenplay when this guy sat down at the table next to me and pulled out what looked like a macbook pro, but was actually some kind of knock-off made by dell. i was blown away by the blatant rip-off move by dell: apple's clamshell design, portable sized design, a keyboard and trackpad (although it looked like they slightly changed the keyboard layout - NICE TRY DELL), even a power cord. i really hope once apple finishes with samsung, the sue dell into oblivion for copying apple's macbook design.

Why do you even care?

because his inferior macbook pro (i think he called it a "laptop" when i pointed it out to him) made the whole starbucks feel a little less cool and totally f*cked up my creative juices. because of that asshole, the world might never be treated to my modern adaptation of candide featuring barack obama as the title character. fark dell.

That's just sad. It's also the reason the world is full of apple fanboii hatred. Starbucks shares that derision.

Seriously, why do you give a flying fark that someone else decided to save some money and bought a laptop that meets thier needs?

Please tell me you're not serious and are just playing along...

I'm trying to reverse troll. And now you have made me break character. Thanks a lot!


I think you won because someone posted calling you out on the troll, but I'm not really sure how the rules go. Gonna need a referee.
 
2012-08-01 02:22:59 PM

StrangeQ: sammyk: timujin: Majick Thise: may be it shouldn't be... maybe it won't be in the future ... but it was when you did it.

sammyk: thomps: sammyk: thomps: just the other day i was at starbucks working on my screenplay when this guy sat down at the table next to me and pulled out what looked like a macbook pro, but was actually some kind of knock-off made by dell. i was blown away by the blatant rip-off move by dell: apple's clamshell design, portable sized design, a keyboard and trackpad (although it looked like they slightly changed the keyboard layout - NICE TRY DELL), even a power cord. i really hope once apple finishes with samsung, the sue dell into oblivion for copying apple's macbook design.

Why do you even care?

because his inferior macbook pro (i think he called it a "laptop" when i pointed it out to him) made the whole starbucks feel a little less cool and totally f*cked up my creative juices. because of that asshole, the world might never be treated to my modern adaptation of candide featuring barack obama as the title character. fark dell.

That's just sad. It's also the reason the world is full of apple fanboii hatred. Starbucks shares that derision.

Seriously, why do you give a flying fark that someone else decided to save some money and bought a laptop that meets thier needs?

Please tell me you're not serious and are just playing along...

I'm trying to reverse troll. And now you have made me break character. Thanks a lot!

I think you won because someone posted calling you out on the troll, but I'm not really sure how the rules go. Gonna need a referee.


Ok ... they're both dicks
 
2012-08-01 02:23:41 PM

machoprogrammer: We have this conversation every Apple vs. Everyone Else thread, and it always is proven that the claim is still true.


Okay chief.
 
2012-08-01 02:35:52 PM

s2s2s2: sammyk: /ifanboiis are annoying.

Haters create fanboys. If no one had hated on the Mac, there would be no Apple fanboys.


Fanatics create fan boys.
 
2012-08-01 02:48:01 PM
How can you tell someone's a moron: They think the case is about a rectangle.
 
2012-08-01 03:05:34 PM

GreenAdder: And the iPhone is a completely original design, isn't it?
[i.imgur.com image 350x287]


This shiat again? Do we have to go through this farking shiat every.single.time?

sammyk: thomps: just the other day i was at starbucks working on my screenplay when this guy sat down at the table next to me and pulled out what looked like a macbook pro, but was actually some kind of knock-off made by dell. i was blown away by the blatant rip-off move by dell: apple's clamshell design, portable sized design, a keyboard and trackpad (although it looked like they slightly changed the keyboard layout - NICE TRY DELL), even a power cord. i really hope once apple finishes with samsung, the sue dell into oblivion for copying apple's macbook design.

Why do you even care?


Because being called a "gay hipster fanboy" by a guy using a chintzy Macbook knockoff with a Dell logo on it contains enough frustrating irony to kill a horse.
 
2012-08-01 03:10:46 PM

theurge14: This shiat again? Do we have to go through this farking shiat every.single.time?


i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-01 03:38:07 PM

LasersHurt: How can you tell someone's a moron: They think the case is about a rectangle.


If only there was some way to see if form factor was an issue during this case. Something like just about every piece of news that has been written since the lawsuits started.
 
2012-08-01 03:45:53 PM

sammyk: timujin: Majick Thise: may be it shouldn't be... maybe it won't be in the future ... but it was when you did it.

sammyk: thomps: sammyk: thomps: just the other day i was at starbucks working on my screenplay when this guy sat down at the table next to me and pulled out what looked like a macbook pro, but was actually some kind of knock-off made by dell. i was blown away by the blatant rip-off move by dell: apple's clamshell design, portable sized design, a keyboard and trackpad (although it looked like they slightly changed the keyboard layout - NICE TRY DELL), even a power cord. i really hope once apple finishes with samsung, the sue dell into oblivion for copying apple's macbook design.

Why do you even care?

because his inferior macbook pro (i think he called it a "laptop" when i pointed it out to him) made the whole starbucks feel a little less cool and totally f*cked up my creative juices. because of that asshole, the world might never be treated to my modern adaptation of candide featuring barack obama as the title character. fark dell.

That's just sad. It's also the reason the world is full of apple fanboii hatred. Starbucks shares that derision.

Seriously, why do you give a flying fark that someone else decided to save some money and bought a laptop that meets thier needs?

Please tell me you're not serious and are just playing along...

I'm trying to reverse troll. And now you have made me break character. Thanks a lot!


That was pretty great work, I'm pretty sure the thread will just go downhill from here.
 
2012-08-01 03:47:36 PM

DerAppie: LasersHurt: How can you tell someone's a moron: They think the case is about a rectangle.

If only there was some way to see if form factor was an issue during this case. Something like just about every piece of news that has been written since the lawsuits started.


Just like every piece of news regarding medical research is about the cure for cancer we just discovered.

Journalists cut corners to make issues simple so it can be read by a majority of the populace. In many cases this is a good thing. In others it can mean missing important facts, incorrect information, os sensational stories to garner more readers/sales.

It's the reason we still have people blowing a gasket over McDonalds coffee.
 
2012-08-01 03:48:40 PM

cretinbob: [www.northerndtool.com image 396x368]


It always bothers me that they didn't take out the drive protector cardboard in that picture.
 
2012-08-01 03:55:09 PM
Hah, well done thomps that was hilarious. Well the post by itself was hilarious but the fact that people seem to have taken it seriously took it to the next level. C'mon guys...he was talking about writing a screenplay in Starbucks, complaining about the hypothetical other guy's computer's "clamshell design" (that is, it opens up just like pretty much every laptop ever), it's portable size (of a laptop), the fact that it had a keyboard and trackpad....he even complained about that it had a power cord. A POWER CORD. Is it really just shouting out to you guys that this was a serious complaint? I think the only way he could have made it more obvious is if he had somehow added in something about how he was wearing a wool hat and gauged earrings or wtf ever they are called and hipster horn-rimmed glasses while he was checking in on Foursquare and listening to...umm...whatever hipsters listen to I thankfully don't know.
 
2012-08-01 04:01:44 PM

change1211: sammyk: timujin: Majick Thise: may be it shouldn't be... maybe it won't be in the future ... but it was when you did it.

sammyk: thomps: sammyk: thomps: just the other day i was at starbucks working on my screenplay when this guy sat down at the table next to me and pulled out what looked like a macbook pro, but was actually some kind of knock-off made by dell. i was blown away by the blatant rip-off move by dell: apple's clamshell design, portable sized design, a keyboard and trackpad (although it looked like they slightly changed the keyboard layout - NICE TRY DELL), even a power cord. i really hope once apple finishes with samsung, the sue dell into oblivion for copying apple's macbook design.

Why do you even care?

because his inferior macbook pro (i think he called it a "laptop" when i pointed it out to him) made the whole starbucks feel a little less cool and totally f*cked up my creative juices. because of that asshole, the world might never be treated to my modern adaptation of candide featuring barack obama as the title character. fark dell.

That's just sad. It's also the reason the world is full of apple fanboii hatred. Starbucks shares that derision.

Seriously, why do you give a flying fark that someone else decided to save some money and bought a laptop that meets thier needs?

Please tell me you're not serious and are just playing along...

I'm trying to reverse troll. And now you have made me break character. Thanks a lot!

That was pretty great work, I'm pretty sure the thread will just go downhill from here.


Sorry I ruined everything. And for all the cancer. Especially the ass cancer.
 
2012-08-01 04:04:30 PM

cretinbob: vpb: I had smart phones long before there were even rumors about Apple making a phone. There were mp3 players long before the iPod was out.

Pssstt...The Mac is just a PC running ant OS other than WIndows, that can't be upgraded and that costs 10x too much.


You forgot POSIX-Compliance. That's kind of important

/Sysadmin
//Mac User
 
2012-08-01 04:06:28 PM

Kyro: Relevant.

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x316]


You missed the two tablet like devices from 2001. As well as the original PADD from Star Trek TOS, though it looked like a binder. It carried the same concept of a touch screen device.
 
2012-08-01 04:07:59 PM

GreenAdder: theurge14: This shiat again? Do we have to go through this farking shiat every.single.time?

[i.imgur.com image 357x346]


i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-01 04:08:16 PM
What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies.

It's also not unlike the reaction the clergy had to the Bible being translated from Latin to the local language.
 
2012-08-01 04:12:02 PM

change1211: sammyk: timujin: Majick Thise: may be it shouldn't be... maybe it won't be in the future ... but it was when you did it.

sammyk: thomps: sammyk: thomps: just the other day i was at starbucks working on my screenplay when this guy sat down at the table next to me and pulled out what looked like a macbook pro, but was actually some kind of knock-off made by dell. i was blown away by the blatant rip-off move by dell: apple's clamshell design, portable sized design, a keyboard and trackpad (although it looked like they slightly changed the keyboard layout - NICE TRY DELL), even a power cord. i really hope once apple finishes with samsung, the sue dell into oblivion for copying apple's macbook design.

Why do you even care?

because his inferior macbook pro (i think he called it a "laptop" when i pointed it out to him) made the whole starbucks feel a little less cool and totally f*cked up my creative juices. because of that asshole, the world might never be treated to my modern adaptation of candide featuring barack obama as the title character. fark dell.

That's just sad. It's also the reason the world is full of apple fanboii hatred. Starbucks shares that derision.

Seriously, why do you give a flying fark that someone else decided to save some money and bought a laptop that meets thier needs?

Please tell me you're not serious and are just playing along...

I'm trying to reverse troll. And now you have made me break character. Thanks a lot!

That was pretty great work, I'm pretty sure the thread will just go downhill from here.


There hasn't been a intellectual property thread in all of the internet since the days of napster that had a chance. Add Apple haterz and fanboiis and its almost as much fun as the athiests/religeon fights.
 
2012-08-01 04:12:24 PM

GWSuperfan: cretinbob: vpb: I had smart phones long before there were even rumors about Apple making a phone. There were mp3 players long before the iPod was out.

Pssstt...The Mac is just a PC running ant OS other than WIndows, that can't be upgraded and that costs 10x too much.

You forgot POSIX-Compliance. That's kind of important

Why is POSIX-compliance important?

/SysAdmin
/Ex-Mac-Fanboi

 
2012-08-01 04:32:01 PM

Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.


Fixed.
 
2012-08-01 04:37:08 PM

Head_Shot: Why is POSIX-compliance important?


Testing things out locally before deploying without needing to run a VM? (Unless you're a Windows Sysadmin)
 
2012-08-01 04:38:14 PM

Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.


True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.
 
2012-08-01 04:47:02 PM

Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.


Are you going to say that Apple's products are more open than Microsoft's/Android?
 
2012-08-01 04:59:17 PM
Last i checked, Samsung still plays Flash. Samsung wins.
 
2012-08-01 05:02:04 PM

Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies.

It's also not unlike the reaction the clergy had to the Bible being translated from Latin to the local language.


To be fair, they were mostly afraid of that because it meant the game was up-- once people started realizing that the vulgar translations had significant errors, some of them might start to ponder the number of transcriptions/translations that the latin bible used by the church had gone through...

By contrast, the majority of geeks were quite happy to see everyone else start using the internet and playing video games and so on. Kind of hard to find enough people for a CS game back in the day if non-geeks hadn't enjoyed it, given you needed at least ten people within LAN distance.
 
2012-08-01 05:08:42 PM

change1211: Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.

Are you going to say that Apple's products are more open than Microsoft's/Android?


Not everything is an either-or. For example, I'd say that Microsoft's products are just as locked down. Similarly, while Android itself is quite open, the versions that most people have on their smart phones are heavily locked down by the specific vendors.
 
2012-08-01 05:11:11 PM

Theaetetus: change1211: Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.

Are you going to say that Apple's products are more open than Microsoft's/Android?

Not everything is an either-or. For example, I'd say that Microsoft's products are just as locked down. Similarly, while Android itself is quite open, the versions that most people have on their smart phones are heavily locked down by the specific vendors.


Thats stopping with the new android OS, they are telling vendors they cant force apps on them or keep taking up space on their phones, either way its easier to take them off than on the iphone since googles app store still works fine if you jailbreak it.
 
2012-08-01 05:11:12 PM

Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.


My favorite illustration of the difference between Mac and Windows. Windows will let me change my start-up sound to whatever I want (Even something crappy). OSX says fark you, you will have this experience the way we designed it.
 
2012-08-01 05:12:52 PM

Kinek: My favorite illustration of the difference between Mac and Windows. Windows will let me change my start-up sound to whatever I want (Even something crappy). OSX says fark you, you will have this experience the way we designed it.


Well, aren't you empowered.
 
2012-08-01 05:17:34 PM
Set your Apple stocks to trigger a sell. Party's over.
 
2012-08-01 05:24:38 PM
I was at the store and saw a "hipster" (we all know the type) using Brawny Paper Towels. Gah, I hate those hipster Brawney Paper Towel consumers. They're phoney, fad chasing, pretentious "sheeple". Not like us superior Bounty Paper Town consumers who are genuine, outside the box, free thinkers who truly appreciate quality.
 
2012-08-01 05:24:47 PM

Kinek: Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.

My favorite illustration of the difference between Mac and Windows. Windows will let me change my start-up sound to whatever I want (Even something crappy). OSX says fark you, you will have this experience the way we designed it.


I'm not sure that's such a great illustration...
1) the Windows desktop sound can be changed, but that's not really the "start-up sound", which is usually just the POST beeps. And you can't change those in Windows.
2) It was actually the Mac that let you change the startup sound originally, just by dropping a sound file titled "startupsound" into the system folder. But that was in the pre-OSX days.
 
2012-08-01 05:27:32 PM

Theaetetus: Kinek: Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.

My favorite illustration of the difference between Mac and Windows. Windows will let me change my start-up sound to whatever I want (Even something crappy). OSX says fark you, you will have this experience the way we designed it.

I'm not sure that's such a great illustration...
1) the Windows desktop sound can be changed, but that's not really the "start-up sound", which is usually just the POST beeps. And you can't change those in Windows.
2) It was actually the Mac that let you change the startup sound originally, just by dropping a sound file titled "startupsound" into the system folder. But that was in the pre-OSX days.


It was quite clear he was talking about the Windows Start sound. The POST beeps occur before Windows starts.
 
2012-08-01 05:29:07 PM
Interested in how this suit turns out:

upload.wikimedia.org

ak.buy.com
 
2012-08-01 05:32:05 PM

change1211: Theaetetus: Kinek: Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.

My favorite illustration of the difference between Mac and Windows. Windows will let me change my start-up sound to whatever I want (Even something crappy). OSX says fark you, you will have this experience the way we designed it.

I'm not sure that's such a great illustration...
1) the Windows desktop sound can be changed, but that's not really the "start-up sound", which is usually just the POST beeps. And you can't change those in Windows.
2) It was actually the Mac that let you change the startup sound originally, just by dropping a sound file titled "startupsound" into the system folder. But that was in the pre-OSX days.

It was quite clear he was talking about the Windows Start sound. The POST beeps occur before Windows starts.


Yeah, I know... The Mac chime/chord which he's comparing it to is actually a POST sound, too, which is why, like the beeps, it can't be changed in software. It's encoded on a ROM on the mobo. A bad launch results in a very startling screeeeeeeeeeeee-crunch-shatter car crash.
That said, it's pretty trivial to play any sound you want on launch of the desktop - i.e. like the Windows Start sound. You just drop it in your startupitems folder, or add it to your login items.
 
2012-08-01 05:38:46 PM
Both are bad............. So vote with your wallet and buy a Surface Pro
/if it's over $1000 I'll sit out this election
 
2012-08-01 05:42:09 PM
In a similar vein, it's much easier to change OSX's login screen background than it is to change Windows' login screen background. For OSX, you just drop a picture into a folder, while Windows requires registry editing.
 
2012-08-01 05:52:58 PM

MightyPez: DerAppie: If only there was some way to see if form factor was an issue during this case. Something like just about every piece of news that has been written since the lawsuits started.

Just like every piece of news regarding medical research is about the cure for cancer we just discovered.

Journalists cut corners to make issues simple so it can be read by a majority of the populace. In many cases this is a good thing. In others it can mean missing important facts, incorrect information, os sensational stories to garner more readers/sales.

It's the reason we still have people blowing a gasket over McDonalds coffee.


I'm not saying it is the only issue (or even the main issue), I'm just saying that it is one of the subjects Apple is making an issue out of. And looking like a fool for trying.
 
2012-08-01 05:55:36 PM

Theaetetus: In a similar vein, it's much easier to change OSX's login screen background than it is to change Windows' login screen background. For OSX, you just drop a picture into a folder, while Windows requires registry editing.


For Windows user you can use logonstudio
 
2012-08-01 05:57:45 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: Both are bad............. So vote with your wallet and buy a Surface Pro
/if it's over $1000 I'll sit out this election


That is when you get your boss to buy you one FTW.
 
2012-08-01 06:04:32 PM

Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.


Who gives a fark that it's "locked down"? Apple sells phones, not hobbies.
 
2012-08-01 06:10:13 PM

Kyro: Relevant.

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Wow. In 1988, Patrich Stewart was only 48.

Was he born old?
 
2012-08-01 06:11:23 PM
I picked up a Galaxy S III and like it so far. I think that HTC has better build quality, but I'm digging my new toy.
 
2012-08-01 06:16:54 PM

T.rex: Last i checked, Samsung still plays Flash. Samsung wins.


Last time I checked, not even adobe gives a shiat anymore.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/11/adobe-to-end-mobil e -flash-plug-in-development.html
 
2012-08-01 06:31:04 PM

Sleazy_as_Pie: T.rex: Last i checked, Samsung still plays Flash. Samsung wins.

Last time I checked, not even adobe gives a shiat anymore.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/11/adobe-to-end-mobil e -flash-plug-in-development.html


Yeah that was already outed as bullshiat and just shifting technology but flash still plays a hell of a lot better on android than apple devices, if you even bothered to read the article it tells you they will still be doing bug fixes for flash.
 
2012-08-01 06:42:04 PM

machoprogrammer: MacEnvy: cretinbob: Pssstt...The Mac is just a PC running ant OS other than WIndows, that can't be upgraded and that costs 10x too much.

This criticism was stupid 15 years ago, when it was even more true.

We have this conversation every Apple vs. Everyone Else thread, and it always is proven that the claim is still true.


Yes, once they switched to Intel and ditched Motorola, it was over.
 
2012-08-01 06:48:06 PM

GWSuperfan: Head_Shot: Why is POSIX-compliance important?

Testing things out locally before deploying without needing to run a VM? (Unless you're a Windows Sysadmin)


It's much safer to test code within a VM or isolated system anyway,isn't it?. I test my code on a dedicated linux server VM.
POSIX has never been an issue for me, afaik. Maybe that's a good thing...
 
2012-08-01 07:41:40 PM

vpb: Majick Thise: may be it shouldn't be... maybe it won't be in the future ... but it was when you did it.

Is anything Apple ever did original?

I had smart phones long before there were even rumors about Apple making a phone. There were mp3 players long before the iPod was out.


Apple's originality is suing everyone who copies the things they copied from someone else. Isn't one of their key court cases in the US about their patent for a search engine that collates results from different sources and presents them as a single list? I remember some of those popping up at least 15 years ago (dogpile for example). Or the idea of gesturing to unlock a device that responds to gestures and has almost no other way of interfacing with it - presumably competitors devices should, once asleep, never actually be able to wake up because Apple's version can be woken up after it goes to sleep, and they would thus be stepping on one of Apple's patents.

It shows you how lucky we were with Microsoft - they used their dominant market position in fairly limited ways most of the time, if they had gone down the patent everything and sue everyone strategy of Apple, then computing would probably still be stuck in the mid-80s.
 
2012-08-01 08:26:43 PM
Apple has not done anything original for 30 years.
 
2012-08-01 08:41:51 PM
Maybe Ford should get in on this after what the 1986 Taurus did to the automotive world of designs.
 
2012-08-01 08:50:05 PM

vpb:
I had smart phones long before there were even rumors about Apple making a phone. There were mp3 players long before the iPod was out.


Yes and they sucked balls. From the flash storage based units that were measured in MB, to the HDD based ones that had shonky battery life. The original iPod actually sucked as well in all of its, HFS formatted, FireWire only with iTunes sans music store to push data around.

It wasn't until the 3rd gen that the device took off; both iTMS & FAT32 formatting were introduced around then. Which does make the subsequent explosion in popularity somewhat understandable.
 
2012-08-01 09:13:04 PM

Kinek: Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.

My favorite illustration of the difference between Mac and Windows. Windows will let me change my start-up sound to whatever I want (Even something crappy). OSX says fark you, you will have this experience the way we designed it.


I learn something every day, things that I take for granted on my machines. I only found out a couple of months ago that you had to pay Apple to get a music ringtone even if you already had that song on your phone! There are five minute videos on Youtube showing how you can "get around" it.
On my Android I select any song, hit Menu and check "Set As Ringtone".
 
2012-08-01 09:16:36 PM

Theaetetus: Kinek: Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.

My favorite illustration of the difference between Mac and Windows. Windows will let me change my start-up sound to whatever I want (Even something crappy). OSX says fark you, you will have this experience the way we designed it.

I'm not sure that's such a great illustration...
1) the Windows desktop sound can be changed, but that's not really the "start-up sound", which is usually just the POST beeps. And you can't change those in Windows.
2) It was actually the Mac that let you change the startup sound originally, just by dropping a sound file titled "startupsound" into the system folder. But that was in the pre-OSX days.


So it wasn't an option? You had to work around it to change it by manually changing a system file? On Windows it is a user option. That is the difference between Windows, and now Android, and Apple. Windows and Android give you choice. Apple make you use your machine their way. If you want to change things you have to work out how to get around their system.
 
2012-08-01 09:25:46 PM

consider this: I picked up a Galaxy S III and like it so far. I think that HTC has better build quality, but I'm digging my new toy.


I love my One X but tried a Galaxy III and was very impressed. Still happy with my HTC, but wouldn't be upset if I had to have a SIII instead.
 
2012-08-01 09:39:49 PM

Flint Ironstag: Theaetetus: Kinek: Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.

My favorite illustration of the difference between Mac and Windows. Windows will let me change my start-up sound to whatever I want (Even something crappy). OSX says fark you, you will have this experience the way we designed it.

I'm not sure that's such a great illustration...
1) the Windows desktop sound can be changed, but that's not really the "start-up sound", which is usually just the POST beeps. And you can't change those in Windows.
2) It was actually the Mac that let you change the startup sound originally, just by dropping a sound file titled "startupsound" into the system folder. But that was in the pre-OSX days.

So it wasn't an option? You had to work around it to change it by manually changing a system file?


... that was the option. The default was hard coded, but if you wanted a different file, you just put one in a folder. You didn't have to "work around" anything or "manually change" anything. The folder had no file in it. Add one, and you get your own startup sound - and startup screen, if you want, via the same method. And this was back in the early 90s when it wasn't an option on Windows because Windows didn't have a desktop sound.

On Windows it is a user option. That is the difference between Windows, and now Android, and Apple. Windows and Android give you choice. Apple make you use your machine their way. If you want to change things you have to work out how to get around their system.

See above about registry editing just to change a desktop picture. Something that's still required on Windows 7.
 
2012-08-01 09:45:36 PM

Flint Ironstag: I love my One X but tried a Galaxy III and was very impressed. Still happy with my HTC, but wouldn't be upset if I had to have a SIII instead.


If Verizon had the One X, that's what I'd have too. In addition to the build quality, I also prefer Sense over other UI.
 
2012-08-01 10:48:23 PM

Aexia: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

Who gives a fark that it's "locked down"? Apple sells phones, not hobbies.


We get it. You think you're clever by saying that people wanting the ability to personally upgrade or customize their consumer electronics are getting a hobby instead of a device.

You're not clever.

Repeating it only makes you seem less clever.
 
2012-08-01 11:01:15 PM

Theaetetus: Flint Ironstag: Theaetetus: Kinek: Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.

My favorite illustration of the difference between Mac and Windows. Windows will let me change my start-up sound to whatever I want (Even something crappy). OSX says fark you, you will have this experience the way we designed it.

I'm not sure that's such a great illustration...
1) the Windows desktop sound can be changed, but that's not really the "start-up sound", which is usually just the POST beeps. And you can't change those in Windows.
2) It was actually the Mac that let you change the startup sound originally, just by dropping a sound file titled "startupsound" into the system folder. But that was in the pre-OSX days.

So it wasn't an option? You had to work around it to change it by manually changing a system file?

... that was the option. The default was hard coded, but if you wanted a different file, you just put one in a folder. You didn't have to "work around" anything or "manually change" anything. The folder had no file in it. Add one, and you get your own startup sound - and startup screen, if you want, via the same method. And this was back in the early 90s when it wasn't an option on Windows because Windows didn't have a desktop sound.

On Windows it is a user option. That is the difference between Windows, and now Android, and Apple. Windows and Android give you choice. Apple make you use your machine their way. If you want to change things you have to work out how to get around their system.

See above about registry editing just to change a desktop picture. Something that's still required on Windows 7.


In Windows 7... Starter
 
2012-08-01 11:19:31 PM

bonefish: See above about registry editing just to change a desktop picture. Something that's still required on Windows 7.

In Windows 7... Starter


And in all the other versions, too.
 
2012-08-01 11:38:25 PM

steamingpile: Theaetetus: change1211: Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.

Are you going to say that Apple's products are more open than Microsoft's/Android?

Not everything is an either-or. For example, I'd say that Microsoft's products are just as locked down. Similarly, while Android itself is quite open, the versions that most people have on their smart phones are heavily locked down by the specific vendors.

Thats stopping with the new android OS, they are telling vendors they cant force apps on them or keep taking up space on their phones, either way its easier to take them off than on the iphone since googles app store still works fine if you jailbreak it.


Good. Fark US Cellular and their Daily Perks app
 
2012-08-02 12:01:10 AM

Dr J Zoidberg: steamingpile: Theaetetus: change1211: Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.

Are you going to say that Apple's products are more open than Microsoft's/Android?

Not everything is an either-or. For example, I'd say that Microsoft's products are just as locked down. Similarly, while Android itself is quite open, the versions that most people have on their smart phones are heavily locked down by the specific vendors.

Thats stopping with the new android OS, they are telling vendors they cant force apps on them or keep taking up space on their phones, either way its easier to take them off than on the iphone since googles app store still works fine if you jailbreak it.

Good. Fark US Cellular and their Daily Perks app


The kicker is that most cell phone providers are trying to find ways to still leave them on there, I wiped my phone just to get all the samsung/ATT shiat off of it, android is extremely easy to do since you can root it and still access everything android did before its wiped, apple has issues once you wipe it.
 
2012-08-02 12:13:56 AM

meanmutton: We get it. You think you're clever by saying that people wanting the ability to personally upgrade or customize their consumer electronics are getting a hobby instead of a device.


If you want to spend your free time jailbreaking devices and doing manual upgrades to keep current with technology, have fun. I do it occassionally. I build my own computers and put up with the eccentricities that come with doing that. I really don't want to do that with my phone. I don't want to jailbreak it. I don't want to have to manually update it. I just want a smartphone that takes care of itself. And what do you know? Apple sells that.

What you think is this horrifying negative that Apple has locked down the eco-system is actually a huge positive. I don't have to think about my phone. It works. That's what Neckbeard-Americans hate: they think technology should be hard. They want to be the only ones who can dispense wisdom about how to operate these mysterious machines. It's how they value their self-worth. And then Steve Jobs farked all that up by translating the Bible from Latin making computers easy to use. He broke the priesthood. Computers aren't for the masses. Neckbeard-Americans whine having to do tech support for their family but secretly they love it. Because it's not like anyone would interact with these otherwise unpleasant individuals for any other reason but to ask a favor. And then Steve Jobs shows up and starts selling shiat you can't fix. History's Greatest Monster.

Enjoy your Android hipster experience. Enjoy the utter shiat UI that Android has universally become known for. Enjoy struggling with basic every day tasks. Enjoy pretending that decrypting the UI for a farking phone makes you "smart". It's just a crap OS. I know all the excuses. Google doesn't have control of it! It's the phone companies fault! Wah wah wah! That's. The. Point.
 
2012-08-02 12:27:19 AM

Aexia:
If you want to spend your free time jailbreaking devices and doing manual upgrades to keep current with technology, have fun. I do it occassionally. I build my own computers and put up with the eccentricities that come with doing that. I really don't want to do that with my phone. I don't want to jailbreak it. I don't want to have to manually update it. I just want a smartphone that takes care of itself. And what do you know? Apple sells that.


So do Samsung, HTC, Motorola, Sony.. you buy the phones through the normal channels and they work without any messing, and offer upgrades through automated systems. They work in the exact same way that iOS devices do as far as the non-geek consumer is concerned.

The only difference is that you CAN do things another way if you like.

Its not all that surprising that you dont know this.
 
2012-08-02 12:31:37 AM

steamingpile: Dr J Zoidberg: steamingpile: Theaetetus: change1211: Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.

Are you going to say that Apple's products are more open than Microsoft's/Android?

Not everything is an either-or. For example, I'd say that Microsoft's products are just as locked down. Similarly, while Android itself is quite open, the versions that most people have on their smart phones are heavily locked down by the specific vendors.

Thats stopping with the new android OS, they are telling vendors they cant force apps on them or keep taking up space on their phones, either way its easier to take them off than on the iphone since googles app store still works fine if you jailbreak it.

Good. Fark US Cellular and their Daily Perks app

The kicker is that most cell phone providers are trying to find ways to still leave them on there, I wiped my phone just to get all the samsung/ATT shiat off of it, android is extremely easy to do since you can root it and still access everything android did before its wiped, apple has issues once you wipe it.


I would root my phone but I'm afraid I'll brick it. I don't know hardly anything about technology, but knowing how to download a torrent file makes me the most tech savvy person in my family
 
2012-08-02 12:47:07 AM

gaspode:

So do Samsung, HTC, Motorola, Sony.. you buy the phones through the normal channels and they work without any messing, and offer upgrades through automated systems. They work in the exact same way that iOS devices do as far as the non-geek consumer is concerned.

The only difference is that you CAN do things another way if you like.

Its not all that surprising that you dont know this.


Exactly the same except that they're laden with all sorts of bloatware, don't keep up with new versions after one year, and have to struggle with the Android UI being utter shiat.

Why do I know this? Because despite not owning any Android devices, my friends still call upon me to diagnose the random bullshiat they have to put up with on a daily basis while using them.

My favorite was how Android required you to use the physical keyboard AND touchscreen to change a ringtone. A farking ringtone. And of course, there's zero prompting as to which you're supposed to be using at any stage of that ordeal.
 
2012-08-02 02:37:39 AM

GWSuperfan: cretinbob: vpb: I had smart phones long before there were even rumors about Apple making a phone. There were mp3 players long before the iPod was out.

Pssstt...The Mac is just a PC running ant OS other than WIndows, that can't be upgraded and that costs 10x too much.

You forgot POSIX-Compliance. That's kind of important


See Cygwin. See UNIX services for Windows. See POSIX-compliance out of the box for Windows (7/Vista) Ultimate.

For us non-sysadmins, nobody gives a fark if it's POSIX or Positronic Complaint. Why would I want to pay extra for something I'll never use? Someone had to sit down a program them for that OS, do some QA, and presumably pay the POSIX Certification Authority.

Thank god I have a choice between Windows Home/Pro and Ultimate.
 
2012-08-02 02:53:42 AM

Aexia:
Exactly the same except that they're laden with all sorts of bloatware, don't keep up with new versions after one year, and have to struggle with the Android UI being utter shiat.

Why do I know this? Because despite not owning any Android devices, my friends still call upon me to diagnose the random bullshiat they have to put up with on a daily basis while using them.

My favorite was how Android required you to use the physical keyboard AND touchscreen to change a ringtone. A farking ringtone. And of course, there's zero prompting as to which you're supposed to be using at any stage of that ordeal.


And you like Nike+ and the fixed Stock app by Yahoo (to name a few features)? I don't. I don't care about stocks; that's what my broker is for. Oh wait, that's not shovelware. That's blessed software!

My favourite was how Android can let you set a ringtone by a few clicks and not relying on desktop software or having to buy the ringtone again even if you have the MP3. Here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71-cKrzgOIo or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_5XfBvK_tE#t=4m20s . Many of the applications on Google Play that will let you cut down / edit sounds for ringtone use.

If you needed a keyboard to set a ringtone, you're holding it wrong. Seriously. You're a farking idiot if you even think you need a physical keyboard.
 
2012-08-02 04:34:36 AM

Aexia: gaspode:

So do Samsung, HTC, Motorola, Sony.. you buy the phones through the normal channels and they work without any messing, and offer upgrades through automated systems. They work in the exact same way that iOS devices do as far as the non-geek consumer is concerned.

The only difference is that you CAN do things another way if you like.

Its not all that surprising that you dont know this.

Exactly the same except that they're laden with all sorts of bloatware, don't keep up with new versions after one year, and have to struggle with the Android UI being utter shiat.

Why do I know this? Because despite not owning any Android devices, my friends still call upon me to diagnose the random bullshiat they have to put up with on a daily basis while using them.

My favorite was how Android required you to use the physical keyboard AND touchscreen to change a ringtone. A farking ringtone. And of course, there's zero prompting as to which you're supposed to be using at any stage of that ordeal.


You have to be the dumbest person on the planet.
 
2012-08-02 06:40:47 AM

SleepingEye: Aexia:
Exactly the same except that they're laden with all sorts of bloatware, don't keep up with new versions after one year, and have to struggle with the Android UI being utter shiat.

Why do I know this? Because despite not owning any Android devices, my friends still call upon me to diagnose the random bullshiat they have to put up with on a daily basis while using them.

My favorite was how Android required you to use the physical keyboard AND touchscreen to change a ringtone. A farking ringtone. And of course, there's zero prompting as to which you're supposed to be using at any stage of that ordeal.

And you like Nike+ and the fixed Stock app by Yahoo (to name a few features)? I don't. I don't care about stocks; that's what my broker is for. Oh wait, that's not shovelware. That's blessed software!

My favourite was how Android can let you set a ringtone by a few clicks and not relying on desktop software or having to buy the ringtone again even if you have the MP3. Here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71-cKrzgOIo or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_5XfBvK_tE#t=4m20s . Many of the applications on Google Play that will let you cut down / edit sounds for ringtone use.

If you needed a keyboard to set a ringtone, you're holding it wrong. Seriously. You're a farking idiot if you even think you need a physical keyboard.


Maybe his friends are idiots?

I mean, if you had a PS3 and you had a problem, would your call for help be to the guy who has an Xbox?
 
2012-08-02 07:15:55 AM

Aexia: gaspode:

So do Samsung, HTC, Motorola, Sony.. you buy the phones through the normal channels and they work without any messing, and offer upgrades through automated systems. They work in the exact same way that iOS devices do as far as the non-geek consumer is concerned.

The only difference is that you CAN do things another way if you like.

Its not all that surprising that you dont know this.

Exactly the same except that they're laden with all sorts of bloatware, don't keep up with new versions after one year, and have to struggle with the Android UI being utter shiat.

Why do I know this? Because despite not owning any Android devices, my friends still call upon me to diagnose the random bullshiat they have to put up with on a daily basis while using them.

My favorite was how Android required you to use the physical keyboard AND touchscreen to change a ringtone. A farking ringtone. And of course, there's zero prompting as to which you're supposed to be using at any stage of that ordeal.


No, I pick any song on my phone, hit Menu and then Set As Ringtone. Done. Where Apple make you buy that ringtone even if you already have that song on your phone.

And I've never rooted either of my HTC Android phones. They just work.
 
2012-08-02 07:31:41 AM
Seminorm Null: Is it really just shouting out to you guys that this was a serious complaint? I think the only way he could have made it more obvious is if he had somehow added in something about how he was wearing a wool hat and gauged earrings or wtf ever they are called and hipster horn-rimmed glasses while he was checking in on Foursquare and listening to...umm...whatever hipsters listen to I thankfully don't know.

I would tell you, but since you're taste in music is clearly trivial, you wouldn't have heard of them anyways.
 
2012-08-02 08:28:40 AM

OtitisMEDIA: StrangeQ: sammyk: timujin: Majick Thise: may be it shouldn't be... maybe it won't be in the future ... but it was when you did it.

sammyk: thomps: sammyk: thomps: just the other day i was at starbucks working on my screenplay when this guy sat down at the table next to me and pulled out what looked like a macbook pro, but was actually some kind of knock-off made by dell. i was blown away by the blatant rip-off move by dell: apple's clamshell design, portable sized design, a keyboard and trackpad (although it looked like they slightly changed the keyboard layout - NICE TRY DELL), even a power cord. i really hope once apple finishes with samsung, the sue dell into oblivion for copying apple's macbook design.

Why do you even care?

because his inferior macbook pro (i think he called it a "laptop" when i pointed it out to him) made the whole starbucks feel a little less cool and totally f*cked up my creative juices. because of that asshole, the world might never be treated to my modern adaptation of candide featuring barack obama as the title character. fark dell.

That's just sad. It's also the reason the world is full of apple fanboii hatred. Starbucks shares that derision.

Seriously, why do you give a flying fark that someone else decided to save some money and bought a laptop that meets thier needs?

Please tell me you're not serious and are just playing along...

I'm trying to reverse troll. And now you have made me break character. Thanks a lot!

I think you won because someone posted calling you out on the troll, but I'm not really sure how the rules go. Gonna need a referee.

Ok ... they're both dicks


Winner!
 
2012-08-02 08:33:42 AM

SleepingEye: If you needed a keyboard to set a ringtone, you're holding it wrong. Seriously. You're a farking idiot if you even think you need a physical keyboard.


You do if you want to set a ringtone for a specific contact. It was pretty ridiculous. You *had* to slide the keyboard out and use the arrow keys to navigate through some options (but not all). Touching them on the screen didn't work. And of course, the physical keys didn't work for other parts of selecting a song. I'm sure it sounds like an incredibly stupid interface. No shiat.

But I guess offering a consistent user experience across all phones isn't a high priority for Google and obviously it's not something you care about either.
 
2012-08-02 09:42:50 AM

Aexia: But I guess offering a consistent user experience across all phones isn't a high priority for Google and obviously it's not something you care about either.


I stay up nights worrying about it.

/I changed to Samsung Android because of my consistently crap user experience with iPhones.
They are consistent though, I'll give you that.
 
2012-08-02 09:48:46 AM

Dr J Zoidberg: steamingpile: Dr J Zoidberg: steamingpile: Theaetetus: change1211: Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.

Are you going to say that Apple's products are more open than Microsoft's/Android?

Not everything is an either-or. For example, I'd say that Microsoft's products are just as locked down. Similarly, while Android itself is quite open, the versions that most people have on their smart phones are heavily locked down by the specific vendors.

Thats stopping with the new android OS, they are telling vendors they cant force apps on them or keep taking up space on their phones, either way its easier to take them off than on the iphone since googles app store still works fine if you jailbreak it.

Good. Fark US Cellular and their Daily Perks app

The kicker is that most cell phone providers are trying to find ways to still leave them on there, I wiped my phone just to get all the samsung/ATT shiat off of it, android is extremely easy to do since you can root it and still access everything android did before its wiped, apple has issues once you wipe it.

I would root my phone but I'm afraid I'll brick it. I don't know hardly anything about technology, but knowing how to download a torrent file makes me the most tech savvy person in my family


Its not that hard and you can back it up, also you probably already have a Gmail address so most of your contacts are backed up already.

As long as you can power up your phone you can fix it, just read the forums and see its easy if you follow directions well.
 
2012-08-02 09:52:13 AM

Aexia:
Enjoy your Android hipster experience. Enjoy the utter shiat UI that Android has universally become known for. Enjoy struggling with basic every day tasks. Enjoy pretending that decrypting the UI for a farking phone makes you "smart". It's just a crap OS. I know all the excuses. Google doesn't have control of it! It's the phone companies fault! Wah wah wah! That's. The. Point.


This bears absolutely no resemblance at all to any Android phone or Android experience I've ever witnessed.
 
2012-08-02 09:55:55 AM

Aexia: gaspode:

So do Samsung, HTC, Motorola, Sony.. you buy the phones through the normal channels and they work without any messing, and offer upgrades through automated systems. They work in the exact same way that iOS devices do as far as the non-geek consumer is concerned.

The only difference is that you CAN do things another way if you like.

Its not all that surprising that you dont know this.

Exactly the same except that they're laden with all sorts of bloatware, don't keep up with new versions after one year, and have to struggle with the Android UI being utter shiat.

Why do I know this? Because despite not owning any Android devices, my friends still call upon me to diagnose the random bullshiat they have to put up with on a daily basis while using them.

My favorite was how Android required you to use the physical keyboard AND touchscreen to change a ringtone. A farking ringtone. And of course, there's zero prompting as to which you're supposed to be using at any stage of that ordeal.


Wait... what Android phone do you have that has a physical keyboard? Is that a thing? I haven't seen a smartphone with a physical keyboard in... years...
 
2012-08-02 10:01:05 AM

Aexia: SleepingEye: If you needed a keyboard to set a ringtone, you're holding it wrong. Seriously. You're a farking idiot if you even think you need a physical keyboard.

You do if you want to set a ringtone for a specific contact. It was pretty ridiculous. You *had* to slide the keyboard out and use the arrow keys to navigate through some options (but not all). Touching them on the screen didn't work. And of course, the physical keys didn't work for other parts of selecting a song. I'm sure it sounds like an incredibly stupid interface. No shiat.

But I guess offering a consistent user experience across all phones isn't a high priority for Google and obviously it's not something you care about either.


Why in the world would I care about that? All I care about is that my Samsung Galaxy SII is worlds better than the iPhone 3GS that it replaced and was better than the iPhone 4S I could have gotten instead.
 
2012-08-02 10:08:36 AM
This is like ford or benz claiming copyright infringement because all the other cars have four wheels at the corners, a winscreen with wipers, seatbelts, a steering wheel instead of levers, an engine within a certain power range, power steering, power windows, etc etc etc and the other car manufacturers copied the design...
 
2012-08-02 10:17:37 AM

Aexia: SleepingEye: If you needed a keyboard to set a ringtone, you're holding it wrong. Seriously. You're a farking idiot if you even think you need a physical keyboard.

You do if you want to set a ringtone for a specific contact. It was pretty ridiculous. You *had* to slide the keyboard out and use the arrow keys to navigate through some options (but not all). Touching them on the screen didn't work. And of course, the physical keys didn't work for other parts of selecting a song. I'm sure it sounds like an incredibly stupid interface. No shiat.

But I guess offering a consistent user experience across all phones isn't a high priority for Google and obviously it's not something you care about either.


Iphone had the same issues to start with, you had to take a track and customize it iTunes if you didn't own the track through iTunes. That is a bigger pain in the ass to me than everything you have named.

Apple lives to sell shiat to their mindless followers, its their business model since their devices aren't the best anymore and wont be even after the new iphone is released. Its why they are trying to sue people, so they can keep selling shiat to idiots that can't figure out how to do it on their own.
 
2012-08-02 10:18:35 AM

meanmutton: Wait... what Android phone do you have that has a physical keyboard? Is that a thing? I haven't seen a smartphone with a physical keyboard in... years...


You're shiatting me right?.

The elegant experience I described is last year's Droid.

Why in the world would I care about that? All I care about is that my Samsung Galaxy SII is worlds better than the iPhone 3GS that it replaced and was better than the iPhone 4S I could have gotten instead.

You just have to root the phone and install the unofficial patch you torrented off the internet.
 
2012-08-02 10:21:10 AM

steamingpile: Iphone had the same issues to start with, you had to take a track and customize it iTunes if you didn't own the track through iTunes. That is a bigger pain in the ass to me than everything you have named.


I'm not talking about adding a new ringtone, I'm talking about setting a ringtone for a specific contact.
 
2012-08-02 10:22:00 AM

meanmutton: Aexia: SleepingEye: If you needed a keyboard to set a ringtone, you're holding it wrong. Seriously. You're a farking idiot if you even think you need a physical keyboard.

You do if you want to set a ringtone for a specific contact. It was pretty ridiculous. You *had* to slide the keyboard out and use the arrow keys to navigate through some options (but not all). Touching them on the screen didn't work. And of course, the physical keys didn't work for other parts of selecting a song. I'm sure it sounds like an incredibly stupid interface. No shiat.

But I guess offering a consistent user experience across all phones isn't a high priority for Google and obviously it's not something you care about either.

Why in the world would I care about that? All I care about is that my Samsung Galaxy SII is worlds better than the iPhone 3GS that it replaced and was better than the iPhone 4S I could have gotten instead.


You can add in the iPhone 5 as well to your list since they aren't making many changes to how fast it is, its memory, or the fact you can't add memory.

But then apple knows what's best for you.
 
2012-08-02 10:26:15 AM

Aexia: steamingpile: Iphone had the same issues to start with, you had to take a track and customize it iTunes if you didn't own the track through iTunes. That is a bigger pain in the ass to me than everything you have named.

I'm not talking about adding a new ringtone, I'm talking about setting a ringtone for a specific contact.


Yeah I know and tested your little theory, you're wrong. I just added "the biatch is back" to ring as the GFs sister in about 5 mins sitting in a meeting. Oh and I even logged into the GFs Gmail music to pull the song over.

Try that shiat on iPhone without having to completely register your phone under a new user.
 
2012-08-02 10:32:26 AM

thomps: just the other day i was at starbucks working on my screenplay when this guy sat down at the table next to me and pulled out what looked like a macbook pro, but was actually some kind of knock-off made by dell. i was blown away by the blatant rip-off move by dell: apple's clamshell design, portable sized design, a keyboard and trackpad (although it looked like they slightly changed the keyboard layout - NICE TRY DELL), even a power cord. i really hope once apple finishes with samsung, the sue dell into oblivion for copying apple's macbook design.


I admit I got half way through this before realizing you weren't serious. I'll give a 8.5/10.
 
2012-08-02 10:41:41 AM

Seminorm Null: Hah, well done thomps that was hilarious. Well the post by itself was hilarious but the fact that people seem to have taken it seriously took it to the next level. C'mon guys...he was talking about writing a screenplay in Starbucks, complaining about the hypothetical other guy's computer's "clamshell design" (that is, it opens up just like pretty much every laptop ever), it's portable size (of a laptop), the fact that it had a keyboard and trackpad....he even complained about that it had a power cord. A POWER CORD. Is it really just shouting out to you guys that this was a serious complaint? I think the only way he could have made it more obvious is if he had somehow added in something about how he was wearing a wool hat and gauged earrings or wtf ever they are called and hipster horn-rimmed glasses while he was checking in on Foursquare and listening to...umm...whatever hipsters listen to I thankfully don't know.


You must have missed the rest of the thread where the guy calling him out said he was reverse trolling.

That being said, people stupid enough to use Apple devices are actually that stupid that they would believe Apple owns the clamshell shape.
 
2012-08-02 11:01:34 AM

Bullseyed: You must have missed the rest of the thread where the guy calling him out said he was reverse trolling.


Let's be honest with ourselves here: he wasn't reverse trolling, he was backtracking after being called out for falling for obvious sarcasm.
 
2012-08-02 11:11:46 AM
God, this thread is no different than a redneck 'Chevy vs Ford' thread.
 
2012-08-02 11:17:45 AM

digistil: God, this thread is no different than a redneck 'Chevy vs Ford' thread.


is one claiming copyright infringment on the other due to similar designs? wheels, steering wheel, windscreen, doors with paint on, curved side panels etc etc
 
2012-08-02 11:24:26 AM

meanmutton: Aexia: gaspode:

So do Samsung, HTC, Motorola, Sony.. you buy the phones through the normal channels and they work without any messing, and offer upgrades through automated systems. They work in the exact same way that iOS devices do as far as the non-geek consumer is concerned.

The only difference is that you CAN do things another way if you like.

Its not all that surprising that you dont know this.

Exactly the same except that they're laden with all sorts of bloatware, don't keep up with new versions after one year, and have to struggle with the Android UI being utter shiat.

Why do I know this? Because despite not owning any Android devices, my friends still call upon me to diagnose the random bullshiat they have to put up with on a daily basis while using them.

My favorite was how Android required you to use the physical keyboard AND touchscreen to change a ringtone. A farking ringtone. And of course, there's zero prompting as to which you're supposed to be using at any stage of that ordeal.

Wait... what Android phone do you have that has a physical keyboard? Is that a thing? I haven't seen a smartphone with a physical keyboard in... years...


This is what I carry:

asset3.cbsistatic.com

Samsung Replenish, with Android 2.3. Works great, no problems changing ringtones either. While in the music player, you just hit the the function button, and "Use as ringtone" pops up - very simple and intuitive.
 
2012-08-02 11:58:30 AM

Aexia: meanmutton: Wait... what Android phone do you have that has a physical keyboard? Is that a thing? I haven't seen a smartphone with a physical keyboard in... years...

You're shiatting me right?.

The elegant experience I described is last year's Droid.

Why in the world would I care about that? All I care about is that my Samsung Galaxy SII is worlds better than the iPhone 3GS that it replaced and was better than the iPhone 4S I could have gotten instead.

You just have to root the phone and install the unofficial patch you torrented off the internet.


You clearly don't know what you're talking about when it comes to Android phones, so just stop. The ability to select an item of music, either long press or hit the menu softkey, and select "Set as ringtone..." has been present in Android since it first came out. No patch needed, no rooting needed, no convoluted keyboard presses needed. Sure you can go the long convoluted keyboard way, but as a good majority of Android phones don't have physical keyboards, that would be a stupid way to restrict it.
 
2012-08-02 12:10:37 PM

Aexia: steamingpile: Iphone had the same issues to start with, you had to take a track and customize it iTunes if you didn't own the track through iTunes. That is a bigger pain in the ass to me than everything you have named.

I'm not talking about adding a new ringtone, I'm talking about setting a ringtone for a specific contact.


Yeah, you must've been looking at Android 1.5 or something. With my One X I open the Contacts app, select one with a phone number and touch the " Ringtone" button to pick something else.

You might get better response picking on other Android weaknesses. My Samsung Captivate was a piece of crap. It shipped with Android 2.1 and I updated it to 2.2 for a decent improvement, and then to 2.3 and it went to shiat. or maybe it just went to shiat due to age, I don't know. But it would freeze up for me every single day, at least once a day, to the point where I had to pull the battery or force a reboot by holding Power-VolUp-VolDown buttons at the same time for 10+ seconds. Most seemed to be browser related but it's hard to say. I got some improvement from a factory reset but 3 months later back to shiat. And the GPS never did work that great. At the end the digitizer mush have been going bad because I would get random button pushes not at all related to anything I was touching on the screen at the time. I think I need to take a much more conservative approach to adding apps to avoid crap that drags the whole system down. My wife also grew to hate her Captivate over 2 years of use and will probably go with an iPhone for her next upgrade.

I really like my HTC One X now but I can see how people get to really like the iPhones. Apple takes the time to get it right with their products. They ship less than 2 new models a year and each one gets rigorously tested and "they just work", more or less. Samsung and Motorola take the shotgun approach, firing off different phones left and right, some of which are crap, or do a few hings great and other things not so great. None of them are a sure thing and buyer beware because the phone carriers will never let you know which ones suck, or take one back if it does. So a lot of people gravitate to the iPhones because they know Apple is the closest to a sure thing.
 
2012-08-02 12:34:41 PM
Seems pretty obvious that she's steering this to be won for Apple. Most of the judges in that court are owned by corporations... Apple, Oracle, and Sony all probably have a healthy payroll sitting on the bench in California.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-02 12:35:28 PM
My electronic device is better than your electronic device.
 
2012-08-02 01:25:14 PM

tgambitg: The ability to select an item of music, either long press or hit the menu softkey, and select "Set as ringtone..." has been present in Android since it first came out. No patch needed, no rooting needed, no convoluted keyboard presses needed.


I'm not talking about importing new ring tones. I'm not talking about changing the overall ringtone.

I'm talking about setting a ringtone for a specific contact. It takes 10 seconds to do on my iPhone. Open Contact, Edit, Select a new ringtone. Bam. Done. On the Droid, it requires digging through unclear prompts that require either the touch screen or keyboard but won't accept both. That's how the phone actually works.
 
2012-08-02 01:38:20 PM

Aexia: meanmutton: Wait... what Android phone do you have that has a physical keyboard? Is that a thing? I haven't seen a smartphone with a physical keyboard in... years...

You're shiatting me right?.

The elegant experience I described is last year's Droid.


I've honestly not seen anyone with one of those. Anyone I know with an Android phone has one without a physical keyboard. I'm kind of surprised people still get those.



Why in the world would I care about that? All I care about is that my Samsung Galaxy SII is worlds better than the iPhone 3GS that it replaced and was better than the iPhone 4S I could have gotten instead.

You just have to root the phone and install the unofficial patch you torrented off the internet.

No. It just comes out of the box and works. I actually know a higher percentage of iPhone users who have rooted their phone than Android users because they want their phone to do things that my Galaxy does straight out of the box.
 
2012-08-02 01:40:30 PM

Aexia: tgambitg: The ability to select an item of music, either long press or hit the menu softkey, and select "Set as ringtone..." has been present in Android since it first came out. No patch needed, no rooting needed, no convoluted keyboard presses needed.

I'm not talking about importing new ring tones. I'm not talking about changing the overall ringtone.

I'm talking about setting a ringtone for a specific contact. It takes 10 seconds to do on my iPhone. Open Contact, Edit, Select a new ringtone. Bam. Done. On the Droid, it requires digging through unclear prompts that require either the touch screen or keyboard but won't accept both. That's how the phone actually works.


I clicked on my phone icon, clicked on contacts, clicked on the name of a contact, clicked "Ringtone" and was given the option to use the default or select a sound. I've never done it before but it honestly took me 10 seconds to find it.
 
2012-08-02 01:47:22 PM

Aexia: tgambitg: The ability to select an item of music, either long press or hit the menu softkey, and select "Set as ringtone..." has been present in Android since it first came out. No patch needed, no rooting needed, no convoluted keyboard presses needed.

I'm not talking about importing new ring tones. I'm not talking about changing the overall ringtone.

I'm talking about setting a ringtone for a specific contact. It takes 10 seconds to do on my iPhone. Open Contact, Edit, Select a new ringtone. Bam. Done. On the Droid, it requires digging through unclear prompts that require either the touch screen or keyboard but won't accept both. That's how the phone actually works.


Here's the video as to how to do it on the Motorola Droid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGijbnqM1Qk&feature=player_detailpage# t =10s

It was 15 seconds while he spends his time explaining it to you. He just clicked on a contact, clicked "Menu" and then "Options" and selected "Ringtone". He didn't have to use a physical keyboard, the prompts were insanely clear.
 
2012-08-02 01:53:37 PM

Vaneshi: vpb:
I had smart phones long before there were even rumors about Apple making a phone. There were mp3 players long before the iPod was out.

Yes and they sucked balls. From the flash storage based units that were measured in MB, to the HDD based ones that had shonky battery life. The original iPod actually sucked as well in all of its, HFS formatted, FireWire only with iTunes sans music store to push data around.

It wasn't until the 3rd gen that the device took off; both iTMS & FAT32 formatting were introduced around then. Which does make the subsequent explosion in popularity somewhat understandable.


Storage on early MP3 players were measured in MB because a 128MB flash drive then cost more than a 64GB flash card does now.

But you know what? You can take a MP3 player that came out before the first iPod and put one of those 64GB cards in and it works just fine. Meanwhile you have to sell your iPod and buy a new one, losing hundreds of dollars, every time memory becomes cheaper.
 
2012-08-02 01:56:58 PM

Aexia: tgambitg: The ability to select an item of music, either long press or hit the menu softkey, and select "Set as ringtone..." has been present in Android since it first came out. No patch needed, no rooting needed, no convoluted keyboard presses needed.

I'm not talking about importing new ring tones. I'm not talking about changing the overall ringtone.

I'm talking about setting a ringtone for a specific contact. It takes 10 seconds to do on my iPhone. Open Contact, Edit, Select a new ringtone. Bam. Done. On the Droid, it requires digging through unclear prompts that require either the touch screen or keyboard but won't accept both. That's how the phone actually works.


No, it's not how it works.

Open Contacts
Select Contact
Hit Menu Softkey
Select Options
hiat Ringtone
Select file you want to be a ringtone
Click OK
DONE.

If I went slow, it would take me 10 seconds.
Being experienced, it took me 4.

There are problems in Android, just like there are problems in iOS. Try focusing on a real one instead of a made up one. Oh, and I did this on TWO different phones with slide out keyboards, never once touching the keyboard.
 
2012-08-02 02:00:04 PM

Bullseyed: You can take a MP3 player that came out before the first iPod and put one of those 64GB cards in and it works just fine.


Not quite... They can take an SD card. They MIGHT take an SDHC card, but not an SDXC card.

SD - 1MB to 2GB (some 4GB do exist, but these are extremely rare and wonky)
SDHC - 4GB to 32 GB
SDXC - 32GB to ~2TB

Use of the higher cards requires a firmware update at minimum, and that's for the controller itself, not the entire device.
 
2012-08-02 02:00:41 PM
Awesome that you've given two different methods, neither of which works on this phone.

Thanks for making my point for me.
 
2012-08-02 02:05:18 PM

Aexia: Awesome that you've given two different methods, neither of which works on this phone.

Thanks for making my point for me.


What phone is it, and what software version? Give me the specifics.

From the home screen:

Menu softkey
Settings
About Phone (all the way at the bottom)

Give me the Model
Android Version
Kernel Version (if available)
And Build Number.

I have access to a ton of models of Android phones, and I will get to the bottom of it.
 
2012-08-02 02:08:47 PM

Aexia: meanmutton: We get it. You think you're clever by saying that people wanting the ability to personally upgrade or customize their consumer electronics are getting a hobby instead of a device.

If you want to spend your free time jailbreaking devices and doing manual upgrades to keep current with technology, have fun. I do it occassionally. I build my own computers and put up with the eccentricities that come with doing that. I really don't want to do that with my phone. I don't want to jailbreak it. I don't want to have to manually update it. I just want a smartphone that takes care of itself. And what do you know? Apple sells that.

What you think is this horrifying negative that Apple has locked down the eco-system is actually a huge positive. I don't have to think about my phone. It works. That's what Neckbeard-Americans hate: they think technology should be hard. They want to be the only ones who can dispense wisdom about how to operate these mysterious machines. It's how they value their self-worth. And then Steve Jobs farked all that up by translating the Bible from Latin making computers easy to use. He broke the priesthood. Computers aren't for the masses. Neckbeard-Americans whine having to do tech support for their family but secretly they love it. Because it's not like anyone would interact with these otherwise unpleasant individuals for any other reason but to ask a favor. And then Steve Jobs shows up and starts selling shiat you can't fix. History's Greatest Monster.

Enjoy your Android hipster experience. Enjoy the utter shiat UI that Android has universally become known for. Enjoy struggling with basic every day tasks. Enjoy pretending that decrypting the UI for a farking phone makes you "smart". It's just a crap OS. I know all the excuses. Google doesn't have control of it! It's the phone companies fault! Wah wah wah! That's. The. Point.


It is too bad your post is entirely false. If Apple products just work, why do they have a tech support section of every store that you have to schedule appointments for and wait for? Because their products break so much and so badly that you have to drive to their store to get someone to fix it. Samsung products break so rarely that they have a standard RMA policy and that's it.
 
2012-08-02 02:18:30 PM

Aexia: Exactly the same except that they're laden with all sorts of bloatware, don't keep up with new versions after one year, and have to struggle with the Android UI being utter shiat.

Why do I know this? Because despite not owning any Android devices, my friends still call upon me to diagnose the random bullshiat they have to put up with on a daily basis while using them.

My favorite was how Android required you to use the physical keyboard AND touchscreen to change a ringtone. A farking ringtone. And of course, there's zero prompting as to which you're supposed to be using at any stage of that ordeal.


False.

I guess you think that Android phones without physical keyboards just don't receive phone calls then?

You're quite clearly retarded.
 
2012-08-02 02:25:07 PM

Aexia: SleepingEye: If you needed a keyboard to set a ringtone, you're holding it wrong. Seriously. You're a farking idiot if you even think you need a physical keyboard.

You do if you want to set a ringtone for a specific contact. It was pretty ridiculous. You *had* to slide the keyboard out and use the arrow keys to navigate through some options (but not all). Touching them on the screen didn't work. And of course, the physical keys didn't work for other parts of selecting a song. I'm sure it sounds like an incredibly stupid interface. No shiat.

But I guess offering a consistent user experience across all phones isn't a high priority for Google and obviously it's not something you care about either.


This kid is so stupid he doesn't know HTC and Samsung make Android phones not Google.
 
2012-08-02 02:31:08 PM

steve_wmn: Aexia: steamingpile: Iphone had the same issues to start with, you had to take a track and customize it iTunes if you didn't own the track through iTunes. That is a bigger pain in the ass to me than everything you have named.

I'm not talking about adding a new ringtone, I'm talking about setting a ringtone for a specific contact.

Yeah, you must've been looking at Android 1.5 or something. With my One X I open the Contacts app, select one with a phone number and touch the " Ringtone" button to pick something else.

You might get better response picking on other Android weaknesses. My Samsung Captivate was a piece of crap. It shipped with Android 2.1 and I updated it to 2.2 for a decent improvement, and then to 2.3 and it went to shiat. or maybe it just went to shiat due to age, I don't know. But it would freeze up for me every single day, at least once a day, to the point where I had to pull the battery or force a reboot by holding Power-VolUp-VolDown buttons at the same time for 10+ seconds. Most seemed to be browser related but it's hard to say. I got some improvement from a factory reset but 3 months later back to shiat. And the GPS never did work that great. At the end the digitizer mush have been going bad because I would get random button pushes not at all related to anything I was touching on the screen at the time. I think I need to take a much more conservative approach to adding apps to avoid crap that drags the whole system down. My wife also grew to hate her Captivate over 2 years of use and will probably go with an iPhone for her next upgrade.

I really like my HTC One X now but I can see how people get to really like the iPhones. Apple takes the time to get it right with their products. They ship less than 2 new models a year and each one gets rigorously tested and "they just work", more or less. Samsung and Motorola take the shotgun approach, firing off different phones left and right, some of which are crap, or do a few hings great and othe ...


If you use any piece of IT technology for two years these days you've already failed.

The Captivate didn't work with Android 2.3? Well my VHS tapes refuse to play in my DVD player. I don't see a problem.
 
2012-08-02 02:32:01 PM

Aexia: tgambitg: The ability to select an item of music, either long press or hit the menu softkey, and select "Set as ringtone..." has been present in Android since it first came out. No patch needed, no rooting needed, no convoluted keyboard presses needed.

I'm not talking about importing new ring tones. I'm not talking about changing the overall ringtone.

I'm talking about setting a ringtone for a specific contact. It takes 10 seconds to do on my iPhone. Open Contact, Edit, Select a new ringtone. Bam. Done. On the Droid, it requires digging through unclear prompts that require either the touch screen or keyboard but won't accept both. That's how the phone actually works.


Importing ring tones? You don't have to import things on Android phones, they just work.
 
2012-08-02 03:13:39 PM

Bullseyed: Aexia: SleepingEye: If you needed a keyboard to set a ringtone, you're holding it wrong. Seriously. You're a farking idiot if you even think you need a physical keyboard.

You do if you want to set a ringtone for a specific contact. It was pretty ridiculous. You *had* to slide the keyboard out and use the arrow keys to navigate through some options (but not all). Touching them on the screen didn't work. And of course, the physical keys didn't work for other parts of selecting a song. I'm sure it sounds like an incredibly stupid interface. No shiat.

But I guess offering a consistent user experience across all phones isn't a high priority for Google and obviously it's not something you care about either.

This kid is so stupid he doesn't know HTC and Samsung make Android phones not Google.


I'm not holding my breath on him getting back with me on the model and software version of the Android phone... I've got this sneaking suspicion that it's not even an Android phone, but one of the 'other' smartphone-like phones out there. The method I explained works on every Android phone (skinned or not) that I've ever used.
 
2012-08-02 03:18:17 PM

digistil: God, this thread is no different than a redneck 'Chevy vs Ford' thread.


Jeep
 
2012-08-02 04:32:14 PM

Aexia: I'm not talking about adding a new ringtone, I'm talking about setting a ringtone for a specific contact.


I had never tried to set a new ringtone (have my phone on vibrate and the default works well enough, so I didn't care much to learn how off the bat) so I figured maybe you had a point, so I decided to give it a shot (on Droid 3, so it's the one you were complaining about). Went into music player, selected a song, hit set as ringtone, which set it as my default. Not what you wanted, so then I tried going to contacts, options, and, oh look, a convenient "set ringtone" option, which had the song I just added to my ringtones as one of the available options. So you're either unimaginably dense to think that you needed to slide out the keyboard to actually get this to work or you're being disingenuous to appease your Apple Gods.
 
2012-08-02 05:09:57 PM

UrCa: Aexia: I'm not talking about adding a new ringtone, I'm talking about setting a ringtone for a specific contact.

I had never tried to set a new ringtone (have my phone on vibrate and the default works well enough, so I didn't care much to learn how off the bat) so I figured maybe you had a point, so I decided to give it a shot (on Droid 3, so it's the one you were complaining about). Went into music player, selected a song, hit set as ringtone, which set it as my default. Not what you wanted, so then I tried going to contacts, options, and, oh look, a convenient "set ringtone" option, which had the song I just added to my ringtones as one of the available options. So you're either unimaginably dense to think that you needed to slide out the keyboard to actually get this to work or you're being disingenuous to appease your Apple Gods.


You can also hook the phone up to any computer, mount it as mass storage, make a directory in the root of the drive it pops up as called 'ringtones' and put any sound files (that are supported by the OS, i.e. MP3, MP4, WAV, etc) in there, and they show up in the list. You can do the same with notification sounds and make a directory called, yup, you guessed it, 'notifications'. Same with alarms. If you want your root directory to be a little cleaner, you can make a folder called 'media' and dump all three of those directories in there, and it will still find the files.

Amazing stuff.

You can also replace the dialer/contacts application with other programs that can make the job of setting ringtones easier. I'm using a third party texting program, and have individual text tones for people, as well as individual ringtones for people and they are different, so if Person A calls me, it gives me one sound, if they text me it's a different one. If Person B calls, it's yet another one, and if they text, it's a fourth different one. All of which take less than 10 seconds to change.
 
2012-08-02 05:34:28 PM

Bullseyed:

It is too bad your post is entirely false. If Apple products just work, why do they have a tech support section of every store that you have to schedule appointments for and wait for? Because their products break so much and so badly that you have to drive to their store to get someone to fix it. Samsung products break so rarely that they have a standard RMA policy and that's it.


Not to mention that both my HTC phones came with a two year full guarantee from HTC.
Apple AFAIK only gives one year.
 
2012-08-02 05:52:08 PM

Aexia: Enjoy your Android hipster experience.


I'm naming my next band this....
 
2012-08-02 07:56:07 PM

meatofmystery: Aexia: Enjoy your Android hipster experience.

I'm naming my next band this....


I find it ironic since apple is more of a Hipster device, android is the one outselling iphone with the numbers growing smaller that are holding on to the iphone. I know of 4 people that switched after seeing my phone with its huge screen compared to the smaller iphone. They really screwed the pooch with their "studies showed optimal screen size" since it looks tiny next to the galaxy.
 
2012-08-02 09:38:19 PM

steamingpile: meatofmystery: Aexia: Enjoy your Android hipster experience.

I'm naming my next band this....

I find it ironic since apple is more of a Hipster device, android is the one outselling iphone with the numbers growing smaller that are holding on to the iphone. I know of 4 people that switched after seeing my phone with its huge screen compared to the smaller iphone. They really screwed the pooch with their "studies showed optimal screen size" since it looks tiny next to the galaxy.


Android has a screen size? I need to check this out.
 
2012-08-03 02:31:18 AM

tgambitg: Aexia: Awesome that you've given two different methods, neither of which works on this phone.

Thanks for making my point for me.

What phone is it, and what software version? Give me the specifics.

From the home screen:

Menu softkey
Settings
About Phone (all the way at the bottom)

Give me the Model
Android Version
Kernel Version (if available)
And Build Number.

I have access to a ton of models of Android phones, and I will get to the bottom of it.


He's trolling.
 
2012-08-03 10:22:47 AM

change1211: tgambitg: Aexia: Awesome that you've given two different methods, neither of which works on this phone.

Thanks for making my point for me.

What phone is it, and what software version? Give me the specifics.

From the home screen:

Menu softkey
Settings
About Phone (all the way at the bottom)

Give me the Model
Android Version
Kernel Version (if available)
And Build Number.

I have access to a ton of models of Android phones, and I will get to the bottom of it.

He's trolling.


Oh, I'm fully aware, which is why he hasn't responded yet. I just wanted to call him out on his bullshiat. With that info, I can pretty much figure out almost instantly that he's lying.
 
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