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2012-08-01 04:47:02 PM  

Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.


Are you going to say that Apple's products are more open than Microsoft's/Android?
 
2012-08-01 04:59:17 PM  
Last i checked, Samsung still plays Flash. Samsung wins.
 
2012-08-01 05:02:04 PM  

Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies.

It's also not unlike the reaction the clergy had to the Bible being translated from Latin to the local language.


To be fair, they were mostly afraid of that because it meant the game was up-- once people started realizing that the vulgar translations had significant errors, some of them might start to ponder the number of transcriptions/translations that the latin bible used by the church had gone through...

By contrast, the majority of geeks were quite happy to see everyone else start using the internet and playing video games and so on. Kind of hard to find enough people for a CS game back in the day if non-geeks hadn't enjoyed it, given you needed at least ten people within LAN distance.
 
2012-08-01 05:08:42 PM  

change1211: Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.

Are you going to say that Apple's products are more open than Microsoft's/Android?


Not everything is an either-or. For example, I'd say that Microsoft's products are just as locked down. Similarly, while Android itself is quite open, the versions that most people have on their smart phones are heavily locked down by the specific vendors.
 
2012-08-01 05:11:11 PM  

Theaetetus: change1211: Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.

Are you going to say that Apple's products are more open than Microsoft's/Android?

Not everything is an either-or. For example, I'd say that Microsoft's products are just as locked down. Similarly, while Android itself is quite open, the versions that most people have on their smart phones are heavily locked down by the specific vendors.


Thats stopping with the new android OS, they are telling vendors they cant force apps on them or keep taking up space on their phones, either way its easier to take them off than on the iphone since googles app store still works fine if you jailbreak it.
 
2012-08-01 05:11:12 PM  

Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.


My favorite illustration of the difference between Mac and Windows. Windows will let me change my start-up sound to whatever I want (Even something crappy). OSX says fark you, you will have this experience the way we designed it.
 
2012-08-01 05:12:52 PM  

Kinek: My favorite illustration of the difference between Mac and Windows. Windows will let me change my start-up sound to whatever I want (Even something crappy). OSX says fark you, you will have this experience the way we designed it.


Well, aren't you empowered.
 
2012-08-01 05:17:34 PM  
Set your Apple stocks to trigger a sell. Party's over.
 
2012-08-01 05:24:38 PM  
I was at the store and saw a "hipster" (we all know the type) using Brawny Paper Towels. Gah, I hate those hipster Brawney Paper Towel consumers. They're phoney, fad chasing, pretentious "sheeple". Not like us superior Bounty Paper Town consumers who are genuine, outside the box, free thinkers who truly appreciate quality.
 
2012-08-01 05:24:47 PM  

Kinek: Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.

My favorite illustration of the difference between Mac and Windows. Windows will let me change my start-up sound to whatever I want (Even something crappy). OSX says fark you, you will have this experience the way we designed it.


I'm not sure that's such a great illustration...
1) the Windows desktop sound can be changed, but that's not really the "start-up sound", which is usually just the POST beeps. And you can't change those in Windows.
2) It was actually the Mac that let you change the startup sound originally, just by dropping a sound file titled "startupsound" into the system folder. But that was in the pre-OSX days.
 
2012-08-01 05:27:32 PM  

Theaetetus: Kinek: Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.

My favorite illustration of the difference between Mac and Windows. Windows will let me change my start-up sound to whatever I want (Even something crappy). OSX says fark you, you will have this experience the way we designed it.

I'm not sure that's such a great illustration...
1) the Windows desktop sound can be changed, but that's not really the "start-up sound", which is usually just the POST beeps. And you can't change those in Windows.
2) It was actually the Mac that let you change the startup sound originally, just by dropping a sound file titled "startupsound" into the system folder. But that was in the pre-OSX days.


It was quite clear he was talking about the Windows Start sound. The POST beeps occur before Windows starts.
 
2012-08-01 05:29:07 PM  
Interested in how this suit turns out:

upload.wikimedia.org

ak.buy.com
 
2012-08-01 05:32:05 PM  

change1211: Theaetetus: Kinek: Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.

My favorite illustration of the difference between Mac and Windows. Windows will let me change my start-up sound to whatever I want (Even something crappy). OSX says fark you, you will have this experience the way we designed it.

I'm not sure that's such a great illustration...
1) the Windows desktop sound can be changed, but that's not really the "start-up sound", which is usually just the POST beeps. And you can't change those in Windows.
2) It was actually the Mac that let you change the startup sound originally, just by dropping a sound file titled "startupsound" into the system folder. But that was in the pre-OSX days.

It was quite clear he was talking about the Windows Start sound. The POST beeps occur before Windows starts.


Yeah, I know... The Mac chime/chord which he's comparing it to is actually a POST sound, too, which is why, like the beeps, it can't be changed in software. It's encoded on a ROM on the mobo. A bad launch results in a very startling screeeeeeeeeeeee-crunch-shatter car crash.
That said, it's pretty trivial to play any sound you want on launch of the desktop - i.e. like the Windows Start sound. You just drop it in your startupitems folder, or add it to your login items.
 
2012-08-01 05:38:46 PM  
Both are bad............. So vote with your wallet and buy a Surface Pro
/if it's over $1000 I'll sit out this election
 
2012-08-01 05:42:09 PM  
In a similar vein, it's much easier to change OSX's login screen background than it is to change Windows' login screen background. For OSX, you just drop a picture into a folder, while Windows requires registry editing.
 
2012-08-01 05:52:58 PM  

MightyPez: DerAppie: If only there was some way to see if form factor was an issue during this case. Something like just about every piece of news that has been written since the lawsuits started.

Just like every piece of news regarding medical research is about the cure for cancer we just discovered.

Journalists cut corners to make issues simple so it can be read by a majority of the populace. In many cases this is a good thing. In others it can mean missing important facts, incorrect information, os sensational stories to garner more readers/sales.

It's the reason we still have people blowing a gasket over McDonalds coffee.


I'm not saying it is the only issue (or even the main issue), I'm just saying that it is one of the subjects Apple is making an issue out of. And looking like a fool for trying.
 
2012-08-01 05:55:36 PM  

Theaetetus: In a similar vein, it's much easier to change OSX's login screen background than it is to change Windows' login screen background. For OSX, you just drop a picture into a folder, while Windows requires registry editing.


For Windows user you can use logonstudio
 
2012-08-01 05:57:45 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Both are bad............. So vote with your wallet and buy a Surface Pro
/if it's over $1000 I'll sit out this election


That is when you get your boss to buy you one FTW.
 
2012-08-01 06:04:32 PM  

Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.


Who gives a fark that it's "locked down"? Apple sells phones, not hobbies.
 
2012-08-01 06:10:13 PM  

Kyro: Relevant.

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Wow. In 1988, Patrich Stewart was only 48.

Was he born old?
 
2012-08-01 06:11:23 PM  
I picked up a Galaxy S III and like it so far. I think that HTC has better build quality, but I'm digging my new toy.
 
2012-08-01 06:16:54 PM  

T.rex: Last i checked, Samsung still plays Flash. Samsung wins.


Last time I checked, not even adobe gives a shiat anymore.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/11/adobe-to-end-mobil e -flash-plug-in-development.html
 
2012-08-01 06:31:04 PM  

Sleazy_as_Pie: T.rex: Last i checked, Samsung still plays Flash. Samsung wins.

Last time I checked, not even adobe gives a shiat anymore.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/11/adobe-to-end-mobil e -flash-plug-in-development.html


Yeah that was already outed as bullshiat and just shifting technology but flash still plays a hell of a lot better on android than apple devices, if you even bothered to read the article it tells you they will still be doing bug fixes for flash.
 
2012-08-01 06:42:04 PM  

machoprogrammer: MacEnvy: cretinbob: Pssstt...The Mac is just a PC running ant OS other than WIndows, that can't be upgraded and that costs 10x too much.

This criticism was stupid 15 years ago, when it was even more true.

We have this conversation every Apple vs. Everyone Else thread, and it always is proven that the claim is still true.


Yes, once they switched to Intel and ditched Motorola, it was over.
 
2012-08-01 06:48:06 PM  

GWSuperfan: Head_Shot: Why is POSIX-compliance important?

Testing things out locally before deploying without needing to run a VM? (Unless you're a Windows Sysadmin)


It's much safer to test code within a VM or isolated system anyway,isn't it?. I test my code on a dedicated linux server VM.
POSIX has never been an issue for me, afaik. Maybe that's a good thing...
 
2012-08-01 07:41:40 PM  

vpb: Majick Thise: may be it shouldn't be... maybe it won't be in the future ... but it was when you did it.

Is anything Apple ever did original?

I had smart phones long before there were even rumors about Apple making a phone. There were mp3 players long before the iPod was out.


Apple's originality is suing everyone who copies the things they copied from someone else. Isn't one of their key court cases in the US about their patent for a search engine that collates results from different sources and presents them as a single list? I remember some of those popping up at least 15 years ago (dogpile for example). Or the idea of gesturing to unlock a device that responds to gestures and has almost no other way of interfacing with it - presumably competitors devices should, once asleep, never actually be able to wake up because Apple's version can be woken up after it goes to sleep, and they would thus be stepping on one of Apple's patents.

It shows you how lucky we were with Microsoft - they used their dominant market position in fairly limited ways most of the time, if they had gone down the patent everything and sue everyone strategy of Apple, then computing would probably still be stuck in the mid-80s.
 
2012-08-01 08:26:43 PM  
Apple has not done anything original for 30 years.
 
2012-08-01 08:41:51 PM  
Maybe Ford should get in on this after what the 1986 Taurus did to the automotive world of designs.
 
2012-08-01 08:50:05 PM  

vpb:
I had smart phones long before there were even rumors about Apple making a phone. There were mp3 players long before the iPod was out.


Yes and they sucked balls. From the flash storage based units that were measured in MB, to the HDD based ones that had shonky battery life. The original iPod actually sucked as well in all of its, HFS formatted, FireWire only with iTunes sans music store to push data around.

It wasn't until the 3rd gen that the device took off; both iTMS & FAT32 formatting were introduced around then. Which does make the subsequent explosion in popularity somewhat understandable.
 
2012-08-01 09:13:04 PM  

Kinek: Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.

My favorite illustration of the difference between Mac and Windows. Windows will let me change my start-up sound to whatever I want (Even something crappy). OSX says fark you, you will have this experience the way we designed it.


I learn something every day, things that I take for granted on my machines. I only found out a couple of months ago that you had to pay Apple to get a music ringtone even if you already had that song on your phone! There are five minute videos on Youtube showing how you can "get around" it.
On my Android I select any song, hit Menu and check "Set As Ringtone".
 
2012-08-01 09:16:36 PM  

Theaetetus: Kinek: Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.

My favorite illustration of the difference between Mac and Windows. Windows will let me change my start-up sound to whatever I want (Even something crappy). OSX says fark you, you will have this experience the way we designed it.

I'm not sure that's such a great illustration...
1) the Windows desktop sound can be changed, but that's not really the "start-up sound", which is usually just the POST beeps. And you can't change those in Windows.
2) It was actually the Mac that let you change the startup sound originally, just by dropping a sound file titled "startupsound" into the system folder. But that was in the pre-OSX days.


So it wasn't an option? You had to work around it to change it by manually changing a system file? On Windows it is a user option. That is the difference between Windows, and now Android, and Apple. Windows and Android give you choice. Apple make you use your machine their way. If you want to change things you have to work out how to get around their system.
 
2012-08-01 09:25:46 PM  

consider this: I picked up a Galaxy S III and like it so far. I think that HTC has better build quality, but I'm digging my new toy.


I love my One X but tried a Galaxy III and was very impressed. Still happy with my HTC, but wouldn't be upset if I had to have a SIII instead.
 
2012-08-01 09:39:49 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Theaetetus: Kinek: Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.

My favorite illustration of the difference between Mac and Windows. Windows will let me change my start-up sound to whatever I want (Even something crappy). OSX says fark you, you will have this experience the way we designed it.

I'm not sure that's such a great illustration...
1) the Windows desktop sound can be changed, but that's not really the "start-up sound", which is usually just the POST beeps. And you can't change those in Windows.
2) It was actually the Mac that let you change the startup sound originally, just by dropping a sound file titled "startupsound" into the system folder. But that was in the pre-OSX days.

So it wasn't an option? You had to work around it to change it by manually changing a system file?


... that was the option. The default was hard coded, but if you wanted a different file, you just put one in a folder. You didn't have to "work around" anything or "manually change" anything. The folder had no file in it. Add one, and you get your own startup sound - and startup screen, if you want, via the same method. And this was back in the early 90s when it wasn't an option on Windows because Windows didn't have a desktop sound.

On Windows it is a user option. That is the difference between Windows, and now Android, and Apple. Windows and Android give you choice. Apple make you use your machine their way. If you want to change things you have to work out how to get around their system.

See above about registry editing just to change a desktop picture. Something that's still required on Windows 7.
 
2012-08-01 09:45:36 PM  

Flint Ironstag: I love my One X but tried a Galaxy III and was very impressed. Still happy with my HTC, but wouldn't be upset if I had to have a SIII instead.


If Verizon had the One X, that's what I'd have too. In addition to the build quality, I also prefer Sense over other UI.
 
2012-08-01 10:48:23 PM  

Aexia: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

Who gives a fark that it's "locked down"? Apple sells phones, not hobbies.


We get it. You think you're clever by saying that people wanting the ability to personally upgrade or customize their consumer electronics are getting a hobby instead of a device.

You're not clever.

Repeating it only makes you seem less clever.
 
2012-08-01 11:01:15 PM  

Theaetetus: Flint Ironstag: Theaetetus: Kinek: Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.

My favorite illustration of the difference between Mac and Windows. Windows will let me change my start-up sound to whatever I want (Even something crappy). OSX says fark you, you will have this experience the way we designed it.

I'm not sure that's such a great illustration...
1) the Windows desktop sound can be changed, but that's not really the "start-up sound", which is usually just the POST beeps. And you can't change those in Windows.
2) It was actually the Mac that let you change the startup sound originally, just by dropping a sound file titled "startupsound" into the system folder. But that was in the pre-OSX days.

So it wasn't an option? You had to work around it to change it by manually changing a system file?

... that was the option. The default was hard coded, but if you wanted a different file, you just put one in a folder. You didn't have to "work around" anything or "manually change" anything. The folder had no file in it. Add one, and you get your own startup sound - and startup screen, if you want, via the same method. And this was back in the early 90s when it wasn't an option on Windows because Windows didn't have a desktop sound.

On Windows it is a user option. That is the difference between Windows, and now Android, and Apple. Windows and Android give you choice. Apple make you use your machine their way. If you want to change things you have to work out how to get around their system.

See above about registry editing just to change a desktop picture. Something that's still required on Windows 7.


In Windows 7... Starter
 
2012-08-01 11:19:31 PM  

bonefish: See above about registry editing just to change a desktop picture. Something that's still required on Windows 7.

In Windows 7... Starter


And in all the other versions, too.
 
2012-08-01 11:38:25 PM  

steamingpile: Theaetetus: change1211: Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.

Are you going to say that Apple's products are more open than Microsoft's/Android?

Not everything is an either-or. For example, I'd say that Microsoft's products are just as locked down. Similarly, while Android itself is quite open, the versions that most people have on their smart phones are heavily locked down by the specific vendors.

Thats stopping with the new android OS, they are telling vendors they cant force apps on them or keep taking up space on their phones, either way its easier to take them off than on the iphone since googles app store still works fine if you jailbreak it.


Good. Fark US Cellular and their Daily Perks app
 
2012-08-02 12:01:10 AM  

Dr J Zoidberg: steamingpile: Theaetetus: change1211: Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.

Are you going to say that Apple's products are more open than Microsoft's/Android?

Not everything is an either-or. For example, I'd say that Microsoft's products are just as locked down. Similarly, while Android itself is quite open, the versions that most people have on their smart phones are heavily locked down by the specific vendors.

Thats stopping with the new android OS, they are telling vendors they cant force apps on them or keep taking up space on their phones, either way its easier to take them off than on the iphone since googles app store still works fine if you jailbreak it.

Good. Fark US Cellular and their Daily Perks app


The kicker is that most cell phone providers are trying to find ways to still leave them on there, I wiped my phone just to get all the samsung/ATT shiat off of it, android is extremely easy to do since you can root it and still access everything android did before its wiped, apple has issues once you wipe it.
 
2012-08-02 12:13:56 AM  

meanmutton: We get it. You think you're clever by saying that people wanting the ability to personally upgrade or customize their consumer electronics are getting a hobby instead of a device.


If you want to spend your free time jailbreaking devices and doing manual upgrades to keep current with technology, have fun. I do it occassionally. I build my own computers and put up with the eccentricities that come with doing that. I really don't want to do that with my phone. I don't want to jailbreak it. I don't want to have to manually update it. I just want a smartphone that takes care of itself. And what do you know? Apple sells that.

What you think is this horrifying negative that Apple has locked down the eco-system is actually a huge positive. I don't have to think about my phone. It works. That's what Neckbeard-Americans hate: they think technology should be hard. They want to be the only ones who can dispense wisdom about how to operate these mysterious machines. It's how they value their self-worth. And then Steve Jobs farked all that up by translating the Bible from Latin making computers easy to use. He broke the priesthood. Computers aren't for the masses. Neckbeard-Americans whine having to do tech support for their family but secretly they love it. Because it's not like anyone would interact with these otherwise unpleasant individuals for any other reason but to ask a favor. And then Steve Jobs shows up and starts selling shiat you can't fix. History's Greatest Monster.

Enjoy your Android hipster experience. Enjoy the utter shiat UI that Android has universally become known for. Enjoy struggling with basic every day tasks. Enjoy pretending that decrypting the UI for a farking phone makes you "smart". It's just a crap OS. I know all the excuses. Google doesn't have control of it! It's the phone companies fault! Wah wah wah! That's. The. Point.
 
2012-08-02 12:27:19 AM  

Aexia:
If you want to spend your free time jailbreaking devices and doing manual upgrades to keep current with technology, have fun. I do it occassionally. I build my own computers and put up with the eccentricities that come with doing that. I really don't want to do that with my phone. I don't want to jailbreak it. I don't want to have to manually update it. I just want a smartphone that takes care of itself. And what do you know? Apple sells that.


So do Samsung, HTC, Motorola, Sony.. you buy the phones through the normal channels and they work without any messing, and offer upgrades through automated systems. They work in the exact same way that iOS devices do as far as the non-geek consumer is concerned.

The only difference is that you CAN do things another way if you like.

Its not all that surprising that you dont know this.
 
2012-08-02 12:31:37 AM  

steamingpile: Dr J Zoidberg: steamingpile: Theaetetus: change1211: Theaetetus: Kyro: Aexia: What drives geeks mad about Apple is that they sell products instead of hobbies that're more locked down than most prisons, and charge you for the priviledge.

Fixed.

True dat. That's why I'm glad I can look at the source code of Windows 7 any time I have questions over how an API is coded.

Are you going to say that Apple's products are more open than Microsoft's/Android?

Not everything is an either-or. For example, I'd say that Microsoft's products are just as locked down. Similarly, while Android itself is quite open, the versions that most people have on their smart phones are heavily locked down by the specific vendors.

Thats stopping with the new android OS, they are telling vendors they cant force apps on them or keep taking up space on their phones, either way its easier to take them off than on the iphone since googles app store still works fine if you jailbreak it.

Good. Fark US Cellular and their Daily Perks app

The kicker is that most cell phone providers are trying to find ways to still leave them on there, I wiped my phone just to get all the samsung/ATT shiat off of it, android is extremely easy to do since you can root it and still access everything android did before its wiped, apple has issues once you wipe it.


I would root my phone but I'm afraid I'll brick it. I don't know hardly anything about technology, but knowing how to download a torrent file makes me the most tech savvy person in my family
 
2012-08-02 12:47:07 AM  

gaspode:

So do Samsung, HTC, Motorola, Sony.. you buy the phones through the normal channels and they work without any messing, and offer upgrades through automated systems. They work in the exact same way that iOS devices do as far as the non-geek consumer is concerned.

The only difference is that you CAN do things another way if you like.

Its not all that surprising that you dont know this.


Exactly the same except that they're laden with all sorts of bloatware, don't keep up with new versions after one year, and have to struggle with the Android UI being utter shiat.

Why do I know this? Because despite not owning any Android devices, my friends still call upon me to diagnose the random bullshiat they have to put up with on a daily basis while using them.

My favorite was how Android required you to use the physical keyboard AND touchscreen to change a ringtone. A farking ringtone. And of course, there's zero prompting as to which you're supposed to be using at any stage of that ordeal.
 
2012-08-02 02:37:39 AM  

GWSuperfan: cretinbob: vpb: I had smart phones long before there were even rumors about Apple making a phone. There were mp3 players long before the iPod was out.

Pssstt...The Mac is just a PC running ant OS other than WIndows, that can't be upgraded and that costs 10x too much.

You forgot POSIX-Compliance. That's kind of important


See Cygwin. See UNIX services for Windows. See POSIX-compliance out of the box for Windows (7/Vista) Ultimate.

For us non-sysadmins, nobody gives a fark if it's POSIX or Positronic Complaint. Why would I want to pay extra for something I'll never use? Someone had to sit down a program them for that OS, do some QA, and presumably pay the POSIX Certification Authority.

Thank god I have a choice between Windows Home/Pro and Ultimate.
 
2012-08-02 02:53:42 AM  

Aexia:
Exactly the same except that they're laden with all sorts of bloatware, don't keep up with new versions after one year, and have to struggle with the Android UI being utter shiat.

Why do I know this? Because despite not owning any Android devices, my friends still call upon me to diagnose the random bullshiat they have to put up with on a daily basis while using them.

My favorite was how Android required you to use the physical keyboard AND touchscreen to change a ringtone. A farking ringtone. And of course, there's zero prompting as to which you're supposed to be using at any stage of that ordeal.


And you like Nike+ and the fixed Stock app by Yahoo (to name a few features)? I don't. I don't care about stocks; that's what my broker is for. Oh wait, that's not shovelware. That's blessed software!

My favourite was how Android can let you set a ringtone by a few clicks and not relying on desktop software or having to buy the ringtone again even if you have the MP3. Here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71-cKrzgOIo or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_5XfBvK_tE#t=4m20s . Many of the applications on Google Play that will let you cut down / edit sounds for ringtone use.

If you needed a keyboard to set a ringtone, you're holding it wrong. Seriously. You're a farking idiot if you even think you need a physical keyboard.
 
2012-08-02 04:34:36 AM  

Aexia: gaspode:

So do Samsung, HTC, Motorola, Sony.. you buy the phones through the normal channels and they work without any messing, and offer upgrades through automated systems. They work in the exact same way that iOS devices do as far as the non-geek consumer is concerned.

The only difference is that you CAN do things another way if you like.

Its not all that surprising that you dont know this.

Exactly the same except that they're laden with all sorts of bloatware, don't keep up with new versions after one year, and have to struggle with the Android UI being utter shiat.

Why do I know this? Because despite not owning any Android devices, my friends still call upon me to diagnose the random bullshiat they have to put up with on a daily basis while using them.

My favorite was how Android required you to use the physical keyboard AND touchscreen to change a ringtone. A farking ringtone. And of course, there's zero prompting as to which you're supposed to be using at any stage of that ordeal.


You have to be the dumbest person on the planet.
 
2012-08-02 06:40:47 AM  

SleepingEye: Aexia:
Exactly the same except that they're laden with all sorts of bloatware, don't keep up with new versions after one year, and have to struggle with the Android UI being utter shiat.

Why do I know this? Because despite not owning any Android devices, my friends still call upon me to diagnose the random bullshiat they have to put up with on a daily basis while using them.

My favorite was how Android required you to use the physical keyboard AND touchscreen to change a ringtone. A farking ringtone. And of course, there's zero prompting as to which you're supposed to be using at any stage of that ordeal.

And you like Nike+ and the fixed Stock app by Yahoo (to name a few features)? I don't. I don't care about stocks; that's what my broker is for. Oh wait, that's not shovelware. That's blessed software!

My favourite was how Android can let you set a ringtone by a few clicks and not relying on desktop software or having to buy the ringtone again even if you have the MP3. Here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71-cKrzgOIo or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_5XfBvK_tE#t=4m20s . Many of the applications on Google Play that will let you cut down / edit sounds for ringtone use.

If you needed a keyboard to set a ringtone, you're holding it wrong. Seriously. You're a farking idiot if you even think you need a physical keyboard.


Maybe his friends are idiots?

I mean, if you had a PS3 and you had a problem, would your call for help be to the guy who has an Xbox?
 
2012-08-02 07:15:55 AM  

Aexia: gaspode:

So do Samsung, HTC, Motorola, Sony.. you buy the phones through the normal channels and they work without any messing, and offer upgrades through automated systems. They work in the exact same way that iOS devices do as far as the non-geek consumer is concerned.

The only difference is that you CAN do things another way if you like.

Its not all that surprising that you dont know this.

Exactly the same except that they're laden with all sorts of bloatware, don't keep up with new versions after one year, and have to struggle with the Android UI being utter shiat.

Why do I know this? Because despite not owning any Android devices, my friends still call upon me to diagnose the random bullshiat they have to put up with on a daily basis while using them.

My favorite was how Android required you to use the physical keyboard AND touchscreen to change a ringtone. A farking ringtone. And of course, there's zero prompting as to which you're supposed to be using at any stage of that ordeal.


No, I pick any song on my phone, hit Menu and then Set As Ringtone. Done. Where Apple make you buy that ringtone even if you already have that song on your phone.

And I've never rooted either of my HTC Android phones. They just work.
 
2012-08-02 07:31:41 AM  
Seminorm Null: Is it really just shouting out to you guys that this was a serious complaint? I think the only way he could have made it more obvious is if he had somehow added in something about how he was wearing a wool hat and gauged earrings or wtf ever they are called and hipster horn-rimmed glasses while he was checking in on Foursquare and listening to...umm...whatever hipsters listen to I thankfully don't know.

I would tell you, but since you're taste in music is clearly trivial, you wouldn't have heard of them anyways.
 
2012-08-02 08:28:40 AM  

OtitisMEDIA: StrangeQ: sammyk: timujin: Majick Thise: may be it shouldn't be... maybe it won't be in the future ... but it was when you did it.

sammyk: thomps: sammyk: thomps: just the other day i was at starbucks working on my screenplay when this guy sat down at the table next to me and pulled out what looked like a macbook pro, but was actually some kind of knock-off made by dell. i was blown away by the blatant rip-off move by dell: apple's clamshell design, portable sized design, a keyboard and trackpad (although it looked like they slightly changed the keyboard layout - NICE TRY DELL), even a power cord. i really hope once apple finishes with samsung, the sue dell into oblivion for copying apple's macbook design.

Why do you even care?

because his inferior macbook pro (i think he called it a "laptop" when i pointed it out to him) made the whole starbucks feel a little less cool and totally f*cked up my creative juices. because of that asshole, the world might never be treated to my modern adaptation of candide featuring barack obama as the title character. fark dell.

That's just sad. It's also the reason the world is full of apple fanboii hatred. Starbucks shares that derision.

Seriously, why do you give a flying fark that someone else decided to save some money and bought a laptop that meets thier needs?

Please tell me you're not serious and are just playing along...

I'm trying to reverse troll. And now you have made me break character. Thanks a lot!

I think you won because someone posted calling you out on the troll, but I'm not really sure how the rules go. Gonna need a referee.

Ok ... they're both dicks


Winner!
 
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