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2012-08-01 11:36:24 AM
Anyone who is surprised by this is a moron. A lot of the Asian countries have STRICT anti-gun laws. So does much of Europe. So, basically, the majority of the most densely populated regions of the world have very little access to firearms. And I'm supposed to be surprised that most of the world's population doesn't own a gun? Color me shocked.
 
2012-08-01 11:36:50 AM
I really like guns and shooting. I really dislike the majority of people I've run into at gun clubs. I grew up in a rural area where I could safely shoot any gun in my back yard and I miss doing that.
 
2012-08-01 11:36:56 AM
"If you use a 12-gauge shotgun to shoot a rabbit, the rabbit won't exist after you shoot it," Lizotte said. Therefore a gun owner who is a hunter will use a different gun for different types of hunting, for instance a small-caliber rifle instead of a high-powered shotgun."


While his point is valid his example is crap. A 12-guage with birdshot is perfect for all sorts of small game. You see wild rabbits don't tend to let you walk up to 5 feet away so for the longer shots you will need a 12 guage to get the pellets there with enough force to kill. Yes buck shot or slugs will obliterate a rabbit, but that's just as true if you used a 16-gauge or .310.
 
2012-08-01 11:38:49 AM
That number should be higher. There are people starving right now because the wrong people have the guns.
 
2012-08-01 11:39:34 AM

Explodo: I really like guns and shooting. I really dislike the majority of people I've run into at gun clubs. I grew up in a rural area where I could safely shoot any gun in my back yard and I miss doing that.


Its incredibly intimidating to get into shooting as a newbie.

There's so much to learn, and the guys at the range can be kind of assholes at times. Especially the cocky "AR-15 4 LYFE!" guys.
 
2012-08-01 11:40:55 AM
Since the armed forces are taxpayer funded, don't we ALL "own" guns and hire people to fire them on our behalf?
 
2012-08-01 11:41:02 AM

probesport: "If you use a 12-gauge shotgun to shoot a rabbit, the rabbit won't exist after you shoot it"

Awesome.


Funny. But absolutely false. I use #6 shot in 12guage for rabbit.
 
2012-08-01 11:41:14 AM
Last I checked, governments still owned 100% of the nukes.
 
2012-08-01 11:41:21 AM
So?
 
2012-08-01 11:42:34 AM

Calmamity: INo one thinks Lshem is a dangerous whackjob for his 14 RC planes, but anyone whose hobby is shooting is automatically a dangerous hill-billy.


Speak for yourself. As a collector of model World Trade Centers, I find his hobby horrifying.
 
2012-08-01 11:43:05 AM

Dynascape: Its incredibly intimidating to get into shooting as a newbie.

There's so much to learn, and the guys at the range can be kind of assholes at times. Especially the cocky "AR-15 4 LYFE!" guys.


I'll agree with the "intimidating" part, but YMMV on the kinds of folks you find at the range. I've found mostly friendly people who are willing to share their knowledge (but don't want to babysit someone).
 
2012-08-01 11:43:12 AM

MythDragon: I own 28 different guns. Some I like to shoot for fun,(Walther G-22, Calico 9mm Liberty, AR-7, FS2000) some are just historic collectibles (Mauser C96, Enfield rifle, Mosin, M1), some are rare and unusual (Mateba Unica 6, Hi-Standard Model 10) and a couple are for personal defense.

Glad to know I am doing my part to bring up the percentage.

Finaly, I'm a 1%er!


How hard was it to find a Mateba Unica? And how much did you pay?
 
2012-08-01 11:44:20 AM

Calmamity: SpoilerAlert: Target shooting is fun, but let's not forget that a gun is a tool with one main purpose.

Yeah, moving a projectile at high velocities. So?


Being deliberately obtuse does not change the fact that the purpose of a firearm is to kill. Accelerating a projectile is a function rather than a purpose.

/Gun owner
 
2012-08-01 11:44:44 AM
You know, if somebody called me on the phone and told me they were from Harvard and wanted to know how many guns I owned there is no way in hell I would respond truthfully and I sure wouldn't refuse to answer.

"None. I don't own any guns" would be the answer.

None of the gun owners I know would tell a "random guy on the phone" that they owned guns either.
 
2012-08-01 11:44:53 AM

Lsherm: This makes sense to me. Most people who legally purchase guns are buying them to shoot them, and I imagine just like every other hobby, you get bored with the same thing. I know everybody likes the "redneck stockpiles guns" theory of gun ownership, but I imagine most new purchases are driven by "I own a .22 and a .38. I wonder what it's like to shoot a .45?"

I mean, I fly R/C planes, and I own 14 of them. The likelihood that someone who flys R/C planes will have more than one is pretty damn high. I'd expect the same behavior from gun hobbyists.


AND there is the potential that each firearm serves a unique purpose.
If you want to shoot skeet, you are not going to use your 7MM-Mag.
Some states require Shotgunning within certain zones but not others.
Cowboy shooting requires certain specific firearms as well and they are quite different than the skeet and hunting communities.

If we applies the same concept to other types of 'ownership', could you imagine a woman being asked to only own one pair of shoes for all the activities she does in her life, or a guy one pair of pants no matter if worn for work or play.
 
2012-08-01 11:45:18 AM
Anyone have any experience with the Sig Sauer 522? Saw one at Wal-Mart last night, looks like a decent entry level .223.
 
2012-08-01 11:47:40 AM

Dynascape: Explodo: I really like guns and shooting. I really dislike the majority of people I've run into at gun clubs. I grew up in a rural area where I could safely shoot any gun in my back yard and I miss doing that.

Its incredibly intimidating to get into shooting as a newbie.

There's so much to learn, and the guys at the range can be kind of assholes at times. Especially the cocky "AR-15 4 LYFE!" guys.


I grew up shooting in my yard as my passtime. I'm intimately familiar with all sorts of guns. I just haven't liked people I've met at gun clubs.
 
2012-08-01 11:48:37 AM
P.S. stating that the purpose of a gun is to accelerate a projectile is like stating the purpose of an internal combustion engine is to accelerate the pistons in their cylinders.
 
2012-08-01 11:49:48 AM

Explodo: probesport: "If you use a 12-gauge shotgun to shoot a rabbit, the rabbit won't exist after you shoot it"

Awesome.

So the "expert" that they quoted for your above quote is:

Alan Lizotte, dean and professor at the School of Criminal Justice at The University at Albany

Alan obviously has little experience with guns. A 12-gauge isn't a magical vaporizing death ray.


Haven't shot a squirrel or rabbit at close range with a 12 ga. I take it? It will indeed vaporize small game into a fine red mist. At best you are left with rabbitburger mixed with lead shot.

That's why I switched to a .22 and perfected the headshot
 
2012-08-01 11:50:58 AM
Also, from April 1, 2011 to March 31, 2012 Ruger alone sold 1,253,700 firearms.

You can't tell me that in a 12 month period over a million current gun owners decided what they really needed in life was another Ruger.
 
2012-08-01 11:51:25 AM

TwowheelinTim: P.S. stating that the purpose of a gun is to accelerate a projectile is like stating the purpose of an internal combustion engine is to accelerate the pistons in their cylinders.


How 'bout this, then. A gun's purpose is to defend yourself. Normally, that means reactively trying to stop (likely kill) an assailant. It might also include soldiers defending themselves/attacking others. And actually, the M-16's main round is intended no to kill but to disable others, with the view of taking out multiple soldiers in battle (as unwounded soldiers must take the burden of dragging a fallen-but-living comrade from the battlefield).
 
2012-08-01 11:52:28 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Anyone have any experience with the Sig Sauer 522? Saw one at Wal-Mart last night, looks like a decent entry level .223.


The Sig 522 fires .22 Long Rifle.

And, really, if you want a .22 LR you should just join everybody else and buy a 10/22.
 
2012-08-01 11:52:46 AM

Dynascape: Explodo: I really like guns and shooting. I really dislike the majority of people I've run into at gun clubs. I grew up in a rural area where I could safely shoot any gun in my back yard and I miss doing that.

Its incredibly intimidating to get into shooting as a newbie.

There's so much to learn, and the guys at the range can be kind of assholes at times. Especially the cocky "AR-15 4 LYFE!" guys.


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2012-08-01 11:53:15 AM

stevarooni: And actually, the M-16's main round is intended no to kill but to disable others, with the view of taking out multiple soldiers in battle (as unwounded soldiers must take the burden of dragging a fallen-but-living comrade from the battlefield).


Stop

Spreading

This

Bullshiat

Myth
 
2012-08-01 11:53:16 AM

SpoilerAlert: That's because if he started flying them around in a movie theater, he'd just be annoying. Target shooting is fun, but let's not forget that a gun is a tool with one main purpose.


Yes and for the majority of guns that purpose is target shooting. Only a very small percentage of guns are used to kill anything, which shows that their main purpose is putting holes in paper from a distance and that killing is a secondary function that they can but rarely serve.
 
2012-08-01 11:53:28 AM

Spade: You can't tell me that in a 12 month period over a million current gun owners decided what they really needed in life was another Ruger.


They've released several new models of their guns, recently. And Ruger is a well-known, well-respected gun manufacturer; some of those were likely replacements for the same model of gun, just worn out. But yeah, that's a lot of guns sold...hence Ruger declaring (for a while) that they weren't doing any more direct sales until they can take care of some of their backlog.
 
2012-08-01 11:53:33 AM
And your point is.........
 
2012-08-01 11:55:33 AM

Dynascape: Explodo: I really like guns and shooting. I really dislike the majority of people I've run into at gun clubs. I grew up in a rural area where I could safely shoot any gun in my back yard and I miss doing that.

Its incredibly intimidating to get into shooting as a newbie.

There's so much to learn, and the guys at the range can be kind of assholes at times. Especially the cocky "AR-15 4 LYFE!" guys.


Then you people are going to the wrong ranges. Most of the ones I've been to go out of their way to be accommodating to first time and nervous shooters. I've helped out plenty of people who are just "there to see how it works". Most guys are more than happy to let you try out their guns, give a little chat about safety and handling, and will be happy to discuss anything about guns with you. Maybe it's because I tend to shoot in areas with a high military/ex-military population, and safety is drilled in from the get go, along with, for the most part courtesy. I've just never been to a range full of "assholes", because assholes tend to be the guys that get people hurt.
 
2012-08-01 11:55:42 AM

Spade: Stop Spreading This Bullshiat Myth


:o I'm sorry, I didn't realize it was myth. I can't cite anything on this, just "something I read". I'll endeavor in the future not to state it as fact until/unless I find such a citation to provide.
 
2012-08-01 11:56:40 AM
The "injure" part doesnt make sense.

If that were the case, soldiers would be permitted to use hollow points.

Which is interesting... how would a civilian gunfight with the military play out... if the civilians are using ammo that soldiers cant use?
 
2012-08-01 11:58:35 AM

DoBeDoBeDo: While his point is valid his example is crap. A 12-guage with birdshot is perfect for all sorts of small game. You see wild rabbits don't tend to let you walk up to 5 feet away so for the longer shots you will need a 12 guage to get the pellets there with enough force to kill. Yes buck shot or slugs will obliterate a rabbit, but that's just as true if you used a 16-gauge or .310.


That also is a crap example, if you like picking picking bird shot out of the meat sure you can shoot it with a shotgun, but anyone who knows their way around a rifle would be better off using something like a .22lr.
 
2012-08-01 11:58:51 AM
I wouldn't take ANYTHING that Josh Sugarmann and the VPC present as data as being correct or honest. He's got decades of history of relying on confusion and ignorance to further his point. Example:

"Assault weapons-just like armor-piercing bullets, machine guns, and plastic firearms-are a new topic. The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons-anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun-can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these weapons."

-Josh Sugarmann, Assault Weapons and Accessories in America, 1988
 
2012-08-01 11:59:18 AM

TwowheelinTim: P.S. stating that the purpose of a gun is to accelerate a projectile is like stating the purpose of an internal combustion engine is to accelerate the pistons in their cylinders.


I respectfully disagree (not with your point but with your logic in the statements). The output of the gun is what was accelerated. The output of the engine is power, and not the piston.
 
2012-08-01 11:59:30 AM

TwowheelinTim: Calmamity: SpoilerAlert: Target shooting is fun, but let's not forget that a gun is a tool with one main purpose.

Yeah, moving a projectile at high velocities. So?

Being deliberately obtuse does not change the fact that the purpose of a firearm is to kill. Accelerating a projectile is a function rather than a purpose.

/Gun owner


Purpose is given to a tool by its user as much as by it's designer.
The black rifle family was designed to give better suppressive fire.
If you wanted to kill, you should have stuck with 30-06.
 
2012-08-01 12:00:04 PM

devildog123: Maybe it's because I tend to shoot in areas with a high military/ex-military population, and safety is drilled in from the get go, along with, for the most part courtesy. I've just never been to a range full of "assholes", because assholes tend to be the guys that get people hurt.


There aren't a whole lot of ex-military here, but I've had the same experience. I didn't really get into shooting until about a year and a half ago, and I was kept from making a fair number of stupid mistakes by helpful folks at the local ranges. Now, some ranges are better than others, but I've never gone to one full of jerks.
 
2012-08-01 12:00:19 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Anyone have any experience with the Sig Sauer 522? Saw one at Wal-Mart last night, looks like a decent entry level .223.


Like others have said, it's a .22LR designed to look way more badass. It's a fun gun to shoot though, I managed to pick one up a couple of years ago for $100 from some guy who bought it thinking it was a .223, and was pissed it was just a .22. I have a few of 30 round magazines for it, and it's fun to blast through 500 rounds of ammo in less than an hour, and not have it cost an arm and a leg.
 
2012-08-01 12:00:39 PM

TwowheelinTim: Being deliberately obtuse does not change the fact that the purpose of a firearm is to kill. Accelerating a projectile is a function rather than a purpose.

/Gun owner


the main purpose of a car is to go from point A to point B quickly, so you better drive as fast as you can and don't you dare enjoy doing it.

/being pedantic doesn't mean you have a real argument
 
2012-08-01 12:02:19 PM

probesport: "If you use a 12-gauge shotgun to shoot a rabbit, the rabbit won't exist after you shoot it"

Awesome.


I LOLed.
 
2012-08-01 12:05:22 PM

MythDragon: I own 28 different guns. Some I like to shoot for fun,(Walther G-22, Calico 9mm Liberty, AR-7, FS2000) some are just historic collectibles (Mauser C96, Enfield rifle, Mosin, M1), some are rare and unusual (Mateba Unica 6, Hi-Standard Model 10) and a couple are for personal defense.

Glad to know I am doing my part to bring up the percentage.

Finaly, I'm a 1%er!


Hi, can we be friends?
 
2012-08-01 12:07:42 PM

Dynascape: The "injure" part doesnt make sense.

If that were the case, soldiers would be permitted to use hollow points.

Which is interesting... how would a civilian gunfight with the military play out... if the civilians are using ammo that soldiers cant use?


It would go incredibly poorly for the civilians.

Even if full metal jacketed rounds have less killing potential than hollow points, you get shot, even if you live, you're still done for the day.

In a self defense shoot, the goal is to kill your attacker before he kills you. In a battle, there is usually an objective other than killing for killings sake and the objective is usually met just as easily if your enemy is wounded or dead.
 
2012-08-01 12:09:05 PM
So many scaredey-cats with small packages
 
2012-08-01 12:10:14 PM
So? What's your point?

Should we give more guns to the 99%?
 
2012-08-01 12:11:31 PM

Okie_Gunslinger: SpoilerAlert: That's because if he started flying them around in a movie theater, he'd just be annoying. Target shooting is fun, but let's not forget that a gun is a tool with one main purpose.

Yes and for the majority of guns that purpose is target shooting. Only a very small percentage of guns are used to kill anything, which shows that their main purpose is putting holes in paper from a distance and that killing is a secondary function that they can but rarely serve.


Katanas are used mostly as decorative, with only a small percentage ever actually used to hurt another person. Therefore katanas aren't weapons, but are decorations.

People who don't respect the danger of a gun, and arguing that guns are made for putting holes in paper as their foremost function is a lack of respect for the weapon, should not own one.
 
2012-08-01 12:12:14 PM

ghare: So many scaredey-cats with small packages


Are those gun-owners scaring you, ghare? I'm sowwy. :-(
 
2012-08-01 12:13:32 PM

Okie_Gunslinger: DoBeDoBeDo: While his point is valid his example is crap. A 12-guage with birdshot is perfect for all sorts of small game. You see wild rabbits don't tend to let you walk up to 5 feet away so for the longer shots you will need a 12 guage to get the pellets there with enough force to kill. Yes buck shot or slugs will obliterate a rabbit, but that's just as true if you used a 16-gauge or .310.

That also is a crap example, if you like picking picking bird shot out of the meat sure you can shoot it with a shotgun, but anyone who knows their way around a rifle would be better off using something like a .22lr.


Never have much problem, it takes longer to skin it than it does to pull the shot out. Depending on how big a rabbit you're shooting a .22lr can puncture to much to keep the liver worth keeping as well as putting a hole in your meat :)
 
2012-08-01 12:17:55 PM

SpoilerAlert: Katanas are used mostly as decorative, with only a small percentage ever actually used to hurt another person. Therefore katanas aren't weapons, but are decorations.

People who don't respect the danger of a gun, and arguing that guns are made for putting holes in paper as their foremost function is a lack of respect for the weapon, should not own one.



So, I'm using my guns wrong then? For me, some are for paper-punching, some are for pest control, some are investments, some are museum pieces, some are engineering marvels of a by-gone age. I'm sure that you can't see the point of owning 12 different variants of the M1903 Springfield, or 6 slightly different Garand M1s, but, that's OK because they're mine, not yours. I haven't hurt anyone with ANY of them. One of us has this whole "what guns are for" thing wrong, and, I'm pretty sure it's you.
 
2012-08-01 12:18:23 PM
I'm putting new guards on my AR at work today, so I'm getting a kick:

i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-01 12:27:48 PM
I'm doing my part.
 
2012-08-01 12:28:05 PM

probesport: "If you use a 12-gauge shotgun to shoot a rabbit, the rabbit won't exist after you shoot it"

Awesome.


Not true.
 
2012-08-01 12:29:55 PM

SpoilerAlert: Katanas are used mostly as decorative, with only a small percentage ever actually used to hurt another person. Therefore katanas aren't weapons, but are decorations.


Most Katanas that you find are in manufactured in China or Pakistan and are in fact intended purely for decoration. Their use in combat would result in them breaking quite easily because of the poor manufacturing and the inherit weakness in their tangs. Actual combat worthy katanas are rare and expensive. Your example extends to kitchen knives as well but that doesn't make my silverware drawer a "weapons locker".
 
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