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2012-08-01 09:51:12 AM  
"Those who own guns, own more guns," said Josh Sugarmann, the executive director and founder of the Violence Policy Center, a Washington-based gun control advocacy group.

This makes sense to me. Most people who legally purchase guns are buying them to shoot them, and I imagine just like every other hobby, you get bored with the same thing. I know everybody likes the "redneck stockpiles guns" theory of gun ownership, but I imagine most new purchases are driven by "I own a .22 and a .38. I wonder what it's like to shoot a .45?"

I mean, I fly R/C planes, and I own 14 of them. The likelihood that someone who flys R/C planes will have more than one is pretty damn high. I'd expect the same behavior from gun hobbyists.
 
2012-08-01 10:18:03 AM  

Lsherm: "Those who own guns, own more guns," said Josh Sugarmann, the executive director and founder of the Violence Policy Center, a Washington-based gun control advocacy group.

This makes sense to me. Most people who legally purchase guns are buying them to shoot them, and I imagine just like every other hobby, you get bored with the same thing. I know everybody likes the "redneck stockpiles guns" theory of gun ownership, but I imagine most new purchases are driven by "I own a .22 and a .38. I wonder what it's like to shoot a .45?"

I mean, I fly R/C planes, and I own 14 of them. The likelihood that someone who flys R/C planes will have more than one is pretty damn high. I'd expect the same behavior from gun hobbyists.


Exactly. This concept apples to any hobby one engages in.
 
2012-08-01 10:41:08 AM  
Well, we gotta be number 1 at *something*...
 
2012-08-01 10:50:13 AM  

Lsherm: "Those who own guns, own more guns," said Josh Sugarmann, the executive director and founder of the Violence Policy Center, a Washington-based gun control advocacy group.

This makes sense to me. Most people who legally purchase guns are buying them to shoot them, and I imagine just like every other hobby, you get bored with the same thing. I know everybody likes the "redneck stockpiles guns" theory of gun ownership, but I imagine most new purchases are driven by "I own a .22 and a .38. I wonder what it's like to shoot a .45?"

I mean, I fly R/C planes, and I own 14 of them. The likelihood that someone who flys R/C planes will have more than one is pretty damn high. I'd expect the same behavior from gun hobbyists.


It's like my knife collection.

I started cooking with a crap faberware fruit knife. Soon, I wanted more. Last I checked I could run two restaurants without buying so much as a paring knife.
 
2012-08-01 10:53:42 AM  
I see one of my points has already been made twice. Possibly more times by the time I finish typing this.

I bought my first gun about three years ago. I bought it because I thought knowing how to use a firearm, even if you never want to, was an important part of being a well-rounded human. When I learned that I really liked going to the range and the zen of target shooting, I wondered what it would be like to shoot clays (awesome) and so on. Like most people who have a hobby they enjoy a lot, it becomes a bit of an obsession.

No one thinks Lshem is a dangerous whackjob for his 14 RC planes, but anyone whose hobby is shooting is automatically a dangerous hill-billy.

I'm still the left-of-center socially liberal guy I was three years ago, I just have a hobby that involves loud, fun machines. Why should the right-wingers get to have all that fun?


Also:The United States tends to have better data on gun numbers than other countries, for instance Somalia or the Democratic Republic of the Congo, or any other of a number of countries. There, you just stated that this study is bullsh*t three paragraphs in to the story about it.
 
2012-08-01 11:12:31 AM  
So?
 
2012-08-01 11:14:57 AM  
I wonder how much of that is due to very restrictive gun laws? (UK, Australia, I'm looking at you...)
 
2012-08-01 11:14:59 AM  
Is this, or is this not counting the multitude of weaponry floating around the middle east, south america, africa, etc? I have a hard time believing that these statistics, especially from the VPC.
 
2012-08-01 11:15:25 AM  
"If you use a 12-gauge shotgun to shoot a rabbit, the rabbit won't exist after you shoot it"

Awesome.
 
2012-08-01 11:15:25 AM  
Yeah so don't f*ck with us
 
2012-08-01 11:15:37 AM  

Calmamity: No one thinks Lshem is a dangerous whackjob for his 14 RC planes, but anyone whose hobby is shooting is automatically a dangerous hill-billy.


That's because if he started flying them around in a movie theater, he'd just be annoying. Target shooting is fun, but let's not forget that a gun is a tool with one main purpose.
 
2012-08-01 11:15:42 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: So?


I got into shooting just last year... and I now own something like 4 or 5 guns.

Gotta have one of every type, you know?

Handgun, semi-auto rifle, shotgun, bolt-action, etc.
 
2012-08-01 11:15:51 AM  
They'll catch-up
 
2012-08-01 11:15:58 AM  
This would be a problem if gun-owners could shoot more than one gun (maybe 2 if you're John Woo) at a time. Gun enthusiasts like guns and guns have very different uses. If I want to shoot targets at 200 yards I'm not going to use a walther p22.
 
2012-08-01 11:16:10 AM  
Breaking news: people who play hockey own the bulk of the hockey sticks in the world. It's a fact.
 
2012-08-01 11:16:17 AM  
I used to be part of the 1%, but sadly, my handgun was stolen along with everything in my house (I was out of the country). Never have seen it again (suprise) and havent' had the money to reinvest. #OccupyMyGunSafe
 
2012-08-01 11:17:02 AM  
So... they actually admit very early in the article that the whole thing is BS, because many countries have no clue how many guns are there... and yet the article still gets written?

Yeah... um...
 
2012-08-01 11:17:19 AM  

ladyfortuna: I wonder how much of that is due to very restrictive gun laws? (UK, Australia, I'm looking at you...)


Most British-born countries actually allow a fair amount of gun ownership if you're willing to go through the trouble and expense of licensing and permits, and your local police know and like you. But yes, the restrictive (and expensive) rules regarding gun ownership in most of the world are what keep (legal, known) gun ownership down in those places.
 
2012-08-01 11:18:48 AM  
I just remembered that this exists.
 
2012-08-01 11:19:06 AM  
Oh goody. A gun thread. We haven't seen one of these in hours.
 
2012-08-01 11:19:28 AM  
I missed how they come up with the figures. I have owned a few rifles and pistols over the years and never participated in a "Do you own a gun" survey. I had a rifle stolen years back; does the survey change because the gun changed ownership from a person who owned 4 guns to one who just stole one? Ever since I took statistics back in high school, I have doubted statistics. (According to a survey, I own 600% more guns than my two neighbors!)
 
2012-08-01 11:19:38 AM  

Click Click D'oh: So... they actually admit very early in the article that the whole thing is BS, because many countries have no clue how many guns are there... and yet the article still gets written?

Yeah... um...


This.
 
2012-08-01 11:21:38 AM  
The number of households owning guns has declined from almost 50% in 1973 to just over 32% in 2010,

What a bunch of pussies. How do these sheeple expect to defend themselves from the wolves or the wolves in sheep's clothing like Obama who want to leave them at the mercy of the wolf thugs.

Sheeple need the Goat Man. I hide among the herd, disguised, waiting for the wolves. Goat Man will protect you.

Ever watchful, ever vigilant... Goat Man.
 
2012-08-01 11:22:02 AM  
I'd love to know what percentage of the world's guns are owned by governments and private military companies. Does this take that into account at all?
 
2012-08-01 11:22:32 AM  
I think Gun manufacturers should work on the social acceptability of their products more than they have. Many people only see guns in movies where someone is up to no good, or on the news where someone is up to no good. If they spent some money promoting awareness of sports and athletes like that sweetheart Kimberly Rhode (medalist and record holder), or Vince Hancock (medalist of two Olympic games and soldier) people would be aware of peaceful, traditional and recreational enjoyment of firearms and its place in America's heritage and quirky culture.
 
2012-08-01 11:22:44 AM  
bullshiat. Gun ownership is UP in the USA, it is not in decline. A common lie among the gun prohibitionist crowd.

Link
 
2012-08-01 11:23:25 AM  

SpoilerAlert: Calmamity: No one thinks Lshem is a dangerous whackjob for his 14 RC planes, but anyone whose hobby is shooting is automatically a dangerous hill-billy.

That's because if he started flying them around in a movie theater, he'd just be annoying. Target shooting is fun, but let's not forget that a gun is a tool with one main purpose.


Yeah, and that purpose is to accelerate a projectile to a high rate of speed. If someone were to be hit by that projectile, they could be seriously injured or killed - just like if someone was hit by an RC plane, or a car, or a baseball.
 
2012-08-01 11:23:31 AM  

SpoilerAlert: Calmamity: No one thinks Lshem is a dangerous whackjob for his 14 RC planes, but anyone whose hobby is shooting is automatically a dangerous hill-billy.

That's because if he started flying them around in a movie theater, he'd just be annoying. Target shooting is fun, but let's not forget that a gun is a tool with one main purpose.


We literally have hundreds of millions of guns in the US that are never used for that "one main purpose".
 
2012-08-01 11:24:42 AM  
Keep working it, tool. Mutual Assured Distraction is the name of the game, right?
 
2012-08-01 11:24:52 AM  
While this is a "story" based on an admittedly shoddy study, at least they come to good conclusions:
1. Diversity of use (hunting, home defense, target practice)
2. Marketing to owners (you don't see S&W ads in non-gun magazines)
3. The demographic for gun ownership is aging and thus shrinking
4. Third-world sh*tholes with militias roaming the countryside don't have any account of anything, much less weapons

I'll second the hobby thing; I now own six guitars and they all have a different purpose, I have had 12 over the years as well as five amps. Who gets guitar ads and catalogs? Guitar players.
 
2012-08-01 11:26:51 AM  
If you think the way we arm ourselves is bad, you should look at our government. Sure we arm ourselves, but we are also being slowly subjugated by a government which is resolute on enforcing its will all over the globe, and will stop at nothing. It militarizes all the local police forces. For terrorism?!? Just how many enemy "terrorists" does it expect to make out of ordinary U.S. citizens? Face it, our government has ceased to be a "representative government", and has now become an "occupational government".
 
2012-08-01 11:26:52 AM  
This makes perfect sense. The 99% can't afford guns.
 
2012-08-01 11:28:55 AM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: bullshiat. Gun ownership is UP in the USA, it is not in decline. A common lie among the gun prohibitionist crowd.

Link


Odd that the same graph is in both articles, obviously with some differences in data, and yet drastically different conclusions are reached. Gun ownership has spiked in the last year or so, but still has been in decline over the past two decades.

I guess because I'm not terrified I don't read this as a political statement against my rights.
 
2012-08-01 11:29:05 AM  
Here's they key paragraph that should tell you that TFA is completely overblown:

The United States tends to have better data on gun numbers than other countries, for instance Somalia or the Democratic Republic of the Congo, which may account for the high percentage, according to Alan Lizotte, dean and professor at the School of Criminal Justice at The University at Albany.

There are estimates that the production of the AK-47 (plus its variants and descendants) exceeds 100 million units. A negligible percentage of those weapons can be found in the U.S. Much of the rest can be found in various third-world hellholes where every male over the age of 10 seems to have one and reliable statistics are non-existent.
 
2012-08-01 11:29:25 AM  
I own 28 different guns. Some I like to shoot for fun,(Walther G-22, Calico 9mm Liberty, AR-7, FS2000) some are just historic collectibles (Mauser C96, Enfield rifle, Mosin, M1), some are rare and unusual (Mateba Unica 6, Hi-Standard Model 10) and a couple are for personal defense.

Glad to know I am doing my part to bring up the percentage.

Finaly, I'm a 1%er!
 
2012-08-01 11:29:53 AM  

SpoilerAlert: Target shooting is fun, but let's not forget that a gun is a tool with one main purpose.


Yeah, moving a projectile at high velocities. So?
 
2012-08-01 11:29:53 AM  

probesport: "If you use a 12-gauge shotgun to shoot a rabbit, the rabbit won't exist after you shoot it"

Awesome.


So the "expert" that they quoted for your above quote is:

Alan Lizotte, dean and professor at the School of Criminal Justice at The University at Albany

Alan obviously has little experience with guns. A 12-gauge isn't a magical vaporizing death ray.
 
2012-08-01 11:29:59 AM  
In other news, 32% of people surveyed still think it's a good idea to advertise that you have multiple firearms in your home, down from almost 50% in 1973.
 
2012-08-01 11:30:30 AM  

Lsherm: "Those who own guns, own more guns," said Josh Sugarmann, the executive director and founder of the Violence Policy Center, a Washington-based gun control advocacy group.

This makes sense to me. Most people who legally purchase guns are buying them to shoot them, and I imagine just like every other hobby, you get bored with the same thing. I know everybody likes the "redneck stockpiles guns" theory of gun ownership, but I imagine most new purchases are driven by "I own a .22 and a .38. I wonder what it's like to shoot a .45?"

I mean, I fly R/C planes, and I own 14 of them. The likelihood that someone who flys R/C planes will have more than one is pretty damn high. I'd expect the same behavior from gun hobbyists.


What the hell? I came here for snark and name calling! What the hell is this?
 
2012-08-01 11:30:44 AM  

Kit Fister: Is this, or is this not counting the multitude of weaponry floating around the middle east, south america, africa, etc? I have a hard time believing that these statistics, especially from the VPC.


I believe exactly nothing that comes from the VPC or the Brady Bunch. They have absolutely no problem telling out right lies to push their anti-gun agenda.

I have no idea how many times I heard morons from those two organizations say that you can walk into any gun store and buy assault weapons with no background check after the CO cinema shooting. They actually called the bill that established background checks on purchases "The Brady Bill" but they still lie about it to spread fear.
 
2012-08-01 11:31:05 AM  
And 2 GOLD MEDALS in shooting!
 
2012-08-01 11:31:27 AM  
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2012-08-01 11:31:48 AM  
Ok, explain this... Currently, the pro-gun feeling in American culture is now so strong EVEN THE POLITICS TAB is no match for it.

That, my friends, is power.
 
2012-08-01 11:32:21 AM  

HAMMERTOE: If you think the way we arm ourselves is bad, you should look at our government. Sure we arm ourselves, but we are also being slowly subjugated by a government which is resolute on enforcing its will all over the globe, and will stop at nothing. It militarizes all the local police forces. For terrorism?!? Just how many enemy "terrorists" does it expect to make out of ordinary U.S. citizens? Face it, our government has ceased to be a "representative government", and has now become an "occupational government".


So your proposed solution is to...?
 
2012-08-01 11:34:22 AM  

Callous: Kit Fister: Is this, or is this not counting the multitude of weaponry floating around the middle east, south america, africa, etc? I have a hard time believing that these statistics, especially from the VPC.

I believe exactly nothing that comes from the VPC or the Brady Bunch. They have absolutely no problem telling out right lies to push their anti-gun agenda.

I have no idea how many times I heard morons from those two organizations say that you can walk into any gun store and buy assault weapons with no background check after the CO cinema shooting. They actually called the bill that established background checks on purchases "The Brady Bill" but they still lie about it to spread fear.


Yeah! Like that whole "Brady was shot in the head" thing - total Bull Shiat!
 
2012-08-01 11:34:27 AM  
Gee they made 200 million Ak-47 and varients.

And how many show up on this stupid farking list?

about .001%.

Stupid article is stupid.
 
2012-08-01 11:34:29 AM  
 
2012-08-01 11:35:38 AM  

MythDragon: I own 28 different guns. Some I like to shoot for fun,(Walther G-22, Calico 9mm Liberty, AR-7, FS2000) some are just historic collectibles (Mauser C96, Enfield rifle, Mosin, M1), some are rare and unusual (Mateba Unica 6, Hi-Standard Model 10) and a couple are for personal defense.

Glad to know I am doing my part to bring up the percentage.

Finaly, I'm a 1%er!


My Mosin Carbine is my favorite rifle to shoot... ever.

Ive been trying to get a Kar98k or a nice Enfield, but people seem to be holding onto them these days.
 
2012-08-01 11:35:49 AM  

MythDragon: I own 28 different guns.


How do you like your Calico? A local shop has one in .22lr...neat concept, but I don't relish the idea of over-winding the magazine.

And how do you like the Mateba Unica? I'm really diggin' on my Rhino. It's not a semi-auto revolver, but still fun. :D
 
2012-08-01 11:36:01 AM  

Click Click D'oh: So... they actually admit very early in the article that the whole thing is BS, because many countries have no clue how many guns are there... and yet the article still gets written?

Yeah... um...


Journalism doesn't have any standards anymore. You can write anything in a title as long as it has a question mark.

ARE 99% OF FARKERS LIVING IN THEIR MOTHER'S BASEMENT? Find out, news at 10
 
2012-08-01 11:36:24 AM  
Anyone who is surprised by this is a moron. A lot of the Asian countries have STRICT anti-gun laws. So does much of Europe. So, basically, the majority of the most densely populated regions of the world have very little access to firearms. And I'm supposed to be surprised that most of the world's population doesn't own a gun? Color me shocked.
 
2012-08-01 11:36:50 AM  
I really like guns and shooting. I really dislike the majority of people I've run into at gun clubs. I grew up in a rural area where I could safely shoot any gun in my back yard and I miss doing that.
 
2012-08-01 11:36:56 AM  
"If you use a 12-gauge shotgun to shoot a rabbit, the rabbit won't exist after you shoot it," Lizotte said. Therefore a gun owner who is a hunter will use a different gun for different types of hunting, for instance a small-caliber rifle instead of a high-powered shotgun."


While his point is valid his example is crap. A 12-guage with birdshot is perfect for all sorts of small game. You see wild rabbits don't tend to let you walk up to 5 feet away so for the longer shots you will need a 12 guage to get the pellets there with enough force to kill. Yes buck shot or slugs will obliterate a rabbit, but that's just as true if you used a 16-gauge or .310.
 
2012-08-01 11:38:49 AM  
That number should be higher. There are people starving right now because the wrong people have the guns.
 
2012-08-01 11:39:34 AM  

Explodo: I really like guns and shooting. I really dislike the majority of people I've run into at gun clubs. I grew up in a rural area where I could safely shoot any gun in my back yard and I miss doing that.


Its incredibly intimidating to get into shooting as a newbie.

There's so much to learn, and the guys at the range can be kind of assholes at times. Especially the cocky "AR-15 4 LYFE!" guys.
 
2012-08-01 11:40:55 AM  
Since the armed forces are taxpayer funded, don't we ALL "own" guns and hire people to fire them on our behalf?
 
2012-08-01 11:41:02 AM  

probesport: "If you use a 12-gauge shotgun to shoot a rabbit, the rabbit won't exist after you shoot it"

Awesome.


Funny. But absolutely false. I use #6 shot in 12guage for rabbit.
 
2012-08-01 11:41:14 AM  
Last I checked, governments still owned 100% of the nukes.
 
2012-08-01 11:41:21 AM  
So?
 
2012-08-01 11:42:34 AM  

Calmamity: INo one thinks Lshem is a dangerous whackjob for his 14 RC planes, but anyone whose hobby is shooting is automatically a dangerous hill-billy.


Speak for yourself. As a collector of model World Trade Centers, I find his hobby horrifying.
 
2012-08-01 11:43:05 AM  

Dynascape: Its incredibly intimidating to get into shooting as a newbie.

There's so much to learn, and the guys at the range can be kind of assholes at times. Especially the cocky "AR-15 4 LYFE!" guys.


I'll agree with the "intimidating" part, but YMMV on the kinds of folks you find at the range. I've found mostly friendly people who are willing to share their knowledge (but don't want to babysit someone).
 
2012-08-01 11:43:12 AM  

MythDragon: I own 28 different guns. Some I like to shoot for fun,(Walther G-22, Calico 9mm Liberty, AR-7, FS2000) some are just historic collectibles (Mauser C96, Enfield rifle, Mosin, M1), some are rare and unusual (Mateba Unica 6, Hi-Standard Model 10) and a couple are for personal defense.

Glad to know I am doing my part to bring up the percentage.

Finaly, I'm a 1%er!


How hard was it to find a Mateba Unica? And how much did you pay?
 
2012-08-01 11:44:20 AM  

Calmamity: SpoilerAlert: Target shooting is fun, but let's not forget that a gun is a tool with one main purpose.

Yeah, moving a projectile at high velocities. So?


Being deliberately obtuse does not change the fact that the purpose of a firearm is to kill. Accelerating a projectile is a function rather than a purpose.

/Gun owner
 
2012-08-01 11:44:44 AM  
You know, if somebody called me on the phone and told me they were from Harvard and wanted to know how many guns I owned there is no way in hell I would respond truthfully and I sure wouldn't refuse to answer.

"None. I don't own any guns" would be the answer.

None of the gun owners I know would tell a "random guy on the phone" that they owned guns either.
 
2012-08-01 11:44:53 AM  

Lsherm: This makes sense to me. Most people who legally purchase guns are buying them to shoot them, and I imagine just like every other hobby, you get bored with the same thing. I know everybody likes the "redneck stockpiles guns" theory of gun ownership, but I imagine most new purchases are driven by "I own a .22 and a .38. I wonder what it's like to shoot a .45?"

I mean, I fly R/C planes, and I own 14 of them. The likelihood that someone who flys R/C planes will have more than one is pretty damn high. I'd expect the same behavior from gun hobbyists.


AND there is the potential that each firearm serves a unique purpose.
If you want to shoot skeet, you are not going to use your 7MM-Mag.
Some states require Shotgunning within certain zones but not others.
Cowboy shooting requires certain specific firearms as well and they are quite different than the skeet and hunting communities.

If we applies the same concept to other types of 'ownership', could you imagine a woman being asked to only own one pair of shoes for all the activities she does in her life, or a guy one pair of pants no matter if worn for work or play.
 
2012-08-01 11:45:18 AM  
Anyone have any experience with the Sig Sauer 522? Saw one at Wal-Mart last night, looks like a decent entry level .223.
 
2012-08-01 11:47:40 AM  

Dynascape: Explodo: I really like guns and shooting. I really dislike the majority of people I've run into at gun clubs. I grew up in a rural area where I could safely shoot any gun in my back yard and I miss doing that.

Its incredibly intimidating to get into shooting as a newbie.

There's so much to learn, and the guys at the range can be kind of assholes at times. Especially the cocky "AR-15 4 LYFE!" guys.


I grew up shooting in my yard as my passtime. I'm intimately familiar with all sorts of guns. I just haven't liked people I've met at gun clubs.
 
2012-08-01 11:48:37 AM  
P.S. stating that the purpose of a gun is to accelerate a projectile is like stating the purpose of an internal combustion engine is to accelerate the pistons in their cylinders.
 
2012-08-01 11:49:48 AM  

Explodo: probesport: "If you use a 12-gauge shotgun to shoot a rabbit, the rabbit won't exist after you shoot it"

Awesome.

So the "expert" that they quoted for your above quote is:

Alan Lizotte, dean and professor at the School of Criminal Justice at The University at Albany

Alan obviously has little experience with guns. A 12-gauge isn't a magical vaporizing death ray.


Haven't shot a squirrel or rabbit at close range with a 12 ga. I take it? It will indeed vaporize small game into a fine red mist. At best you are left with rabbitburger mixed with lead shot.

That's why I switched to a .22 and perfected the headshot
 
2012-08-01 11:50:58 AM  
Also, from April 1, 2011 to March 31, 2012 Ruger alone sold 1,253,700 firearms.

You can't tell me that in a 12 month period over a million current gun owners decided what they really needed in life was another Ruger.
 
2012-08-01 11:51:25 AM  

TwowheelinTim: P.S. stating that the purpose of a gun is to accelerate a projectile is like stating the purpose of an internal combustion engine is to accelerate the pistons in their cylinders.


How 'bout this, then. A gun's purpose is to defend yourself. Normally, that means reactively trying to stop (likely kill) an assailant. It might also include soldiers defending themselves/attacking others. And actually, the M-16's main round is intended no to kill but to disable others, with the view of taking out multiple soldiers in battle (as unwounded soldiers must take the burden of dragging a fallen-but-living comrade from the battlefield).
 
2012-08-01 11:52:28 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Anyone have any experience with the Sig Sauer 522? Saw one at Wal-Mart last night, looks like a decent entry level .223.


The Sig 522 fires .22 Long Rifle.

And, really, if you want a .22 LR you should just join everybody else and buy a 10/22.
 
2012-08-01 11:52:46 AM  

Dynascape: Explodo: I really like guns and shooting. I really dislike the majority of people I've run into at gun clubs. I grew up in a rural area where I could safely shoot any gun in my back yard and I miss doing that.

Its incredibly intimidating to get into shooting as a newbie.

There's so much to learn, and the guys at the range can be kind of assholes at times. Especially the cocky "AR-15 4 LYFE!" guys.


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2012-08-01 11:53:15 AM  

stevarooni: And actually, the M-16's main round is intended no to kill but to disable others, with the view of taking out multiple soldiers in battle (as unwounded soldiers must take the burden of dragging a fallen-but-living comrade from the battlefield).


Stop

Spreading

This

Bullshiat

Myth
 
2012-08-01 11:53:16 AM  

SpoilerAlert: That's because if he started flying them around in a movie theater, he'd just be annoying. Target shooting is fun, but let's not forget that a gun is a tool with one main purpose.


Yes and for the majority of guns that purpose is target shooting. Only a very small percentage of guns are used to kill anything, which shows that their main purpose is putting holes in paper from a distance and that killing is a secondary function that they can but rarely serve.
 
2012-08-01 11:53:28 AM  

Spade: You can't tell me that in a 12 month period over a million current gun owners decided what they really needed in life was another Ruger.


They've released several new models of their guns, recently. And Ruger is a well-known, well-respected gun manufacturer; some of those were likely replacements for the same model of gun, just worn out. But yeah, that's a lot of guns sold...hence Ruger declaring (for a while) that they weren't doing any more direct sales until they can take care of some of their backlog.
 
2012-08-01 11:53:33 AM  
And your point is.........
 
2012-08-01 11:55:33 AM  

Dynascape: Explodo: I really like guns and shooting. I really dislike the majority of people I've run into at gun clubs. I grew up in a rural area where I could safely shoot any gun in my back yard and I miss doing that.

Its incredibly intimidating to get into shooting as a newbie.

There's so much to learn, and the guys at the range can be kind of assholes at times. Especially the cocky "AR-15 4 LYFE!" guys.


Then you people are going to the wrong ranges. Most of the ones I've been to go out of their way to be accommodating to first time and nervous shooters. I've helped out plenty of people who are just "there to see how it works". Most guys are more than happy to let you try out their guns, give a little chat about safety and handling, and will be happy to discuss anything about guns with you. Maybe it's because I tend to shoot in areas with a high military/ex-military population, and safety is drilled in from the get go, along with, for the most part courtesy. I've just never been to a range full of "assholes", because assholes tend to be the guys that get people hurt.
 
2012-08-01 11:55:42 AM  

Spade: Stop Spreading This Bullshiat Myth


:o I'm sorry, I didn't realize it was myth. I can't cite anything on this, just "something I read". I'll endeavor in the future not to state it as fact until/unless I find such a citation to provide.
 
2012-08-01 11:56:40 AM  
The "injure" part doesnt make sense.

If that were the case, soldiers would be permitted to use hollow points.

Which is interesting... how would a civilian gunfight with the military play out... if the civilians are using ammo that soldiers cant use?
 
2012-08-01 11:58:35 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: While his point is valid his example is crap. A 12-guage with birdshot is perfect for all sorts of small game. You see wild rabbits don't tend to let you walk up to 5 feet away so for the longer shots you will need a 12 guage to get the pellets there with enough force to kill. Yes buck shot or slugs will obliterate a rabbit, but that's just as true if you used a 16-gauge or .310.


That also is a crap example, if you like picking picking bird shot out of the meat sure you can shoot it with a shotgun, but anyone who knows their way around a rifle would be better off using something like a .22lr.
 
2012-08-01 11:58:51 AM  
I wouldn't take ANYTHING that Josh Sugarmann and the VPC present as data as being correct or honest. He's got decades of history of relying on confusion and ignorance to further his point. Example:

"Assault weapons-just like armor-piercing bullets, machine guns, and plastic firearms-are a new topic. The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons-anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun-can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these weapons."

-Josh Sugarmann, Assault Weapons and Accessories in America, 1988
 
2012-08-01 11:59:18 AM  

TwowheelinTim: P.S. stating that the purpose of a gun is to accelerate a projectile is like stating the purpose of an internal combustion engine is to accelerate the pistons in their cylinders.


I respectfully disagree (not with your point but with your logic in the statements). The output of the gun is what was accelerated. The output of the engine is power, and not the piston.
 
2012-08-01 11:59:30 AM  

TwowheelinTim: Calmamity: SpoilerAlert: Target shooting is fun, but let's not forget that a gun is a tool with one main purpose.

Yeah, moving a projectile at high velocities. So?

Being deliberately obtuse does not change the fact that the purpose of a firearm is to kill. Accelerating a projectile is a function rather than a purpose.

/Gun owner


Purpose is given to a tool by its user as much as by it's designer.
The black rifle family was designed to give better suppressive fire.
If you wanted to kill, you should have stuck with 30-06.
 
2012-08-01 12:00:04 PM  

devildog123: Maybe it's because I tend to shoot in areas with a high military/ex-military population, and safety is drilled in from the get go, along with, for the most part courtesy. I've just never been to a range full of "assholes", because assholes tend to be the guys that get people hurt.


There aren't a whole lot of ex-military here, but I've had the same experience. I didn't really get into shooting until about a year and a half ago, and I was kept from making a fair number of stupid mistakes by helpful folks at the local ranges. Now, some ranges are better than others, but I've never gone to one full of jerks.
 
2012-08-01 12:00:19 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Anyone have any experience with the Sig Sauer 522? Saw one at Wal-Mart last night, looks like a decent entry level .223.


Like others have said, it's a .22LR designed to look way more badass. It's a fun gun to shoot though, I managed to pick one up a couple of years ago for $100 from some guy who bought it thinking it was a .223, and was pissed it was just a .22. I have a few of 30 round magazines for it, and it's fun to blast through 500 rounds of ammo in less than an hour, and not have it cost an arm and a leg.
 
2012-08-01 12:00:39 PM  

TwowheelinTim: Being deliberately obtuse does not change the fact that the purpose of a firearm is to kill. Accelerating a projectile is a function rather than a purpose.

/Gun owner


the main purpose of a car is to go from point A to point B quickly, so you better drive as fast as you can and don't you dare enjoy doing it.

/being pedantic doesn't mean you have a real argument
 
2012-08-01 12:02:19 PM  

probesport: "If you use a 12-gauge shotgun to shoot a rabbit, the rabbit won't exist after you shoot it"

Awesome.


I LOLed.
 
2012-08-01 12:05:22 PM  

MythDragon: I own 28 different guns. Some I like to shoot for fun,(Walther G-22, Calico 9mm Liberty, AR-7, FS2000) some are just historic collectibles (Mauser C96, Enfield rifle, Mosin, M1), some are rare and unusual (Mateba Unica 6, Hi-Standard Model 10) and a couple are for personal defense.

Glad to know I am doing my part to bring up the percentage.

Finaly, I'm a 1%er!


Hi, can we be friends?
 
2012-08-01 12:07:42 PM  

Dynascape: The "injure" part doesnt make sense.

If that were the case, soldiers would be permitted to use hollow points.

Which is interesting... how would a civilian gunfight with the military play out... if the civilians are using ammo that soldiers cant use?


It would go incredibly poorly for the civilians.

Even if full metal jacketed rounds have less killing potential than hollow points, you get shot, even if you live, you're still done for the day.

In a self defense shoot, the goal is to kill your attacker before he kills you. In a battle, there is usually an objective other than killing for killings sake and the objective is usually met just as easily if your enemy is wounded or dead.
 
2012-08-01 12:09:05 PM  
So many scaredey-cats with small packages
 
2012-08-01 12:10:14 PM  
So? What's your point?

Should we give more guns to the 99%?
 
2012-08-01 12:11:31 PM  

Okie_Gunslinger: SpoilerAlert: That's because if he started flying them around in a movie theater, he'd just be annoying. Target shooting is fun, but let's not forget that a gun is a tool with one main purpose.

Yes and for the majority of guns that purpose is target shooting. Only a very small percentage of guns are used to kill anything, which shows that their main purpose is putting holes in paper from a distance and that killing is a secondary function that they can but rarely serve.


Katanas are used mostly as decorative, with only a small percentage ever actually used to hurt another person. Therefore katanas aren't weapons, but are decorations.

People who don't respect the danger of a gun, and arguing that guns are made for putting holes in paper as their foremost function is a lack of respect for the weapon, should not own one.
 
2012-08-01 12:12:14 PM  

ghare: So many scaredey-cats with small packages


Are those gun-owners scaring you, ghare? I'm sowwy. :-(
 
2012-08-01 12:13:32 PM  

Okie_Gunslinger: DoBeDoBeDo: While his point is valid his example is crap. A 12-guage with birdshot is perfect for all sorts of small game. You see wild rabbits don't tend to let you walk up to 5 feet away so for the longer shots you will need a 12 guage to get the pellets there with enough force to kill. Yes buck shot or slugs will obliterate a rabbit, but that's just as true if you used a 16-gauge or .310.

That also is a crap example, if you like picking picking bird shot out of the meat sure you can shoot it with a shotgun, but anyone who knows their way around a rifle would be better off using something like a .22lr.


Never have much problem, it takes longer to skin it than it does to pull the shot out. Depending on how big a rabbit you're shooting a .22lr can puncture to much to keep the liver worth keeping as well as putting a hole in your meat :)
 
2012-08-01 12:17:55 PM  

SpoilerAlert: Katanas are used mostly as decorative, with only a small percentage ever actually used to hurt another person. Therefore katanas aren't weapons, but are decorations.

People who don't respect the danger of a gun, and arguing that guns are made for putting holes in paper as their foremost function is a lack of respect for the weapon, should not own one.



So, I'm using my guns wrong then? For me, some are for paper-punching, some are for pest control, some are investments, some are museum pieces, some are engineering marvels of a by-gone age. I'm sure that you can't see the point of owning 12 different variants of the M1903 Springfield, or 6 slightly different Garand M1s, but, that's OK because they're mine, not yours. I haven't hurt anyone with ANY of them. One of us has this whole "what guns are for" thing wrong, and, I'm pretty sure it's you.
 
2012-08-01 12:18:23 PM  
I'm putting new guards on my AR at work today, so I'm getting a kick:

i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-01 12:27:48 PM  
I'm doing my part.
 
2012-08-01 12:28:05 PM  

probesport: "If you use a 12-gauge shotgun to shoot a rabbit, the rabbit won't exist after you shoot it"

Awesome.


Not true.
 
2012-08-01 12:29:55 PM  

SpoilerAlert: Katanas are used mostly as decorative, with only a small percentage ever actually used to hurt another person. Therefore katanas aren't weapons, but are decorations.


Most Katanas that you find are in manufactured in China or Pakistan and are in fact intended purely for decoration. Their use in combat would result in them breaking quite easily because of the poor manufacturing and the inherit weakness in their tangs. Actual combat worthy katanas are rare and expensive. Your example extends to kitchen knives as well but that doesn't make my silverware drawer a "weapons locker".
 
2012-08-01 12:31:11 PM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Never have much problem, it takes longer to skin it than it does to pull the shot out. Depending on how big a rabbit you're shooting a .22lr can puncture to much to keep the liver worth keeping as well as putting a hole in your meat :)


Good point.
 
2012-08-01 12:32:13 PM  
. . . any of those people live in the oppressive countries? China? Iran? North Korea? No?

Wonder why . . .
 
2012-08-01 12:39:04 PM  

stevarooni: MythDragon: I own 28 different guns.

How do you like your Calico? A local shop has one in .22lr...neat concept, but I don't relish the idea of over-winding the magazine.

And how do you like the Mateba Unica? I'm really diggin' on my Rhino. It's not a semi-auto revolver, but still fun. :D


Love it. Mine is in .44 with 8" barrel. The long barrel with compensator really helps with muzzle climb. Most of the force is straight back. They are gettig crazy expensive. With Mateba being in arrears, they havn't been making anymore. I bought mine for $1400 about 4(?) years ago. The last time I saw one for sale was maybe a year ago going for $3600.

My only complaint is the grips. They are made from a single piece of wood, and have a tendancy to crack along the thumb line. The guy dealer I bought mine from commissioned a guy to make some new ones out of resin. It took about a year to finaly get them made, and they cost $100. But they are much rugged.

I do get a lot of looks when I fire that gun. Using Magtech ammo throws a nice fireball. Some brothas were in the lane next to me shooting off their hi-point 9's. When they saw the Mateba, they said "Damn! That's a robocop gun!"

Mateba also makes this neat thing:
world.guns.ru
MTR-8. 8 shot .357

Haven't found one though.
 
2012-08-01 12:39:36 PM  

djh0101010: I haven't hurt anyone with ANY of them. One of us has this whole "what guns are for" thing wrong, and, I'm pretty sure it's you


You can use a hammer for a variety of purposes, however it's function is meant to pound nails. I never said it was wrong to use guns to use guns for target shooting, so I don't know where you are getting that from, only that guns should be respected for the lethal weapons that they are. Ask any one managing a gun range is they respect a gun as a weapon or as a device that puts holes into paper and see what they tell you.

Okie_Gunslinger: SpoilerAlert: Katanas are used mostly as decorative, with only a small percentage ever actually used to hurt another person. Therefore katanas aren't weapons, but are decorations.

Most Katanas that you find are in manufactured in China or Pakistan and are in fact intended purely for decoration. Their use in combat would result in them breaking quite easily because of the poor manufacturing and the inherit weakness in their tangs. Actual combat worthy katanas are rare and expensive. Your example extends to kitchen knives as well but that doesn't make my silverware drawer a "weapons locker".


Kitchen knives and silverware are primarily meant to be used as kitchen knives and silverware but can be used as weapons, while weapons are primarily serve a function as weapons, but can also be used for other functions.

So I wouldn't call your silverware drawer a weapons locker. I would call a locker filled with guns a weapons locker. Do you dispute that guns are weapons?
 
2012-08-01 12:40:03 PM  
Mateba only ever makes cool things.

Being a gunsmith would be a pretty interesting job, I think.
 
2012-08-01 12:41:41 PM  
public.bay.livefilestore.com
 
2012-08-01 12:43:36 PM  
I own a gun and I enjoy target shooting. My point was that while I enjoy target shooting, my first lesson with a gun is to never point one, loaded or unloaded, at a living target unless I meant to kill that target. Comparing a guns to collecting RC helicopters is not a good analogy. RC helicopters are toys. Guns are not toys, and if you treat them as such, you are the type of person that shouldn't own one.
 
2012-08-01 12:45:21 PM  
"Less than 1% of the world's population owns one-third of the guns on the planet. USA USA USA "

Well no wonder the middle east is doing so well. Oh, wait...
 
2012-08-01 12:45:42 PM  

SpoilerAlert:
You can use a hammer for a variety of purposes, however it's function is meant to pound nails. I never said it was wrong to use guns to use guns for target shooting, so I don't know where you are getting that from, only that guns should be respected for the lethal weapons that they are. Ask any one managing a gun range is they respect a gun as a weapon or as a device that puts holes into paper and see what they tell you.


This. Coworker was helping me put an Agrip on my XD yesterday. Mag was out of the gun but he still asked if it was loaded (it wasn't, and I told him as much) and checked the chamber. He apologized when he checked the chamber, I laughed and said it was no problem at all, you ALWAYS treat a gun as if it's loaded.

/CSB
 
2012-08-01 12:47:00 PM  
Favorite quote from the movie Unforgiven...

Fatty Rossiter: It was already loaded. Jesus, Clyde, you have three pistols and you only have one arm for Christ's sake.
Clyde: Well I just don't want to be killed for lack of shootin' back.
 
2012-08-01 12:48:09 PM  

SpoilerAlert: djh0101010: I haven't hurt anyone with ANY of them. One of us has this whole "what guns are for" thing wrong, and, I'm pretty sure it's you

You can use a hammer for a variety of purposes, however it's function is meant to pound nails. I never said it was wrong to use guns to use guns for target shooting, so I don't know where you are getting that from, only that guns should be respected for the lethal weapons that they are. Ask any one managing a gun range is they respect a gun as a weapon or as a device that puts holes into paper and see what they tell you.



Interesting that you trimmed out this part:
SpoilerAlert: Katanas are used mostly as decorative, with only a small percentage ever actually used to hurt another person. Therefore katanas aren't weapons, but are decorations.

What percentage of guns do you think are used to hurt another person? It's not a person-hurting-tool, unless that's what it's being used for. Which seems to have been your point about the katanas.
 
2012-08-01 12:49:18 PM  
Obams's secret plan:

1. Buy stock in firearms manufacturing companies.
2. Become President of the United States
3. P.O. old conservative white men constantly.
4. Profit.

Obama leans forward to shake hands with a miniature Japanese Emperor: buy more guns.
Obama says he likes Dijon Mustard instead of French's Day-Glo: buy more guns.
Michelle Obama eats a big ass burger: buy more guns.
Obama shoots hoops: buy more guns.
Obama is too black: buy more guns.
Obama is too white: buy more guns.
Obama is a Muslin: buy more guns.
Obama is a Black Methodist: buy more guns.
Obama farts: buy more guns.
Obama speaks deliberately and emphatically about nothing: buy more guns.

And so it goes, and so it goes.

Between buying worthless "art" coins at a 95% mark-up and buying more guns, Obama has got the looney middle-aged driving the Franklin Mint into bankruptcy. And really, without UFO Elvis Ballerina Kitty plates, what does rural America have left? Just government jobs, farm subsidy cheques and munitions factories. And enormous stockpiles of ammo and guns in the hands of the kind of people who take The South is Riz agin! very seriously.
 
2012-08-01 12:49:56 PM  

baldrik78: Hi, can we be friends?

We can if you can answer "yes" to at least two of these questions
1. Are you a chick?
2. Do you like providing your friends with unlimited BJs?
3. Do you like Anime?

Cybernetic: How hard was it to find a Mateba Unica? And how much did you pay?

Hard. Lots.
I'm being lazy, see my above post.
I found mine on gunbroker.com.

stevarooni: MythDragon: I own 28 different guns.

How do you like your Calico? A local shop has one in .22lr...neat concept, but I don't relish the idea of over-winding the magazine.



The Calico is cool. I've heard of people having problems, but mine's been okay. I just blasted 100 rounds through it last monday.
It's a fun plinking gun, especialy in .22. If it is for a good price, you should pick it up. Winding the magazine isn't a big deal when you realise most high cap( 50+) magazines need to be wound. Like the 50 rd tommy mag or the 100 round Ar-15 C-mag. I don't know about the others, but the 100rd 9mm takes 23 winds. But this also allows you to store a magazine with the spring un-wound. There is a little button in the middle to release the tension if you want to store it, or load it. (loading gets progressively harder as you go, so you have to release the tension from time to time. If you wait too long between releases, the guide-plug snaps back too fast, causing all the bullets to tumble inside the mag, which then entails shaking them out 1 by 1 and starting over.)
 
2012-08-01 12:50:55 PM  

djh0101010: What percentage of guns do you think are used to hurt another person? It's not a person-hurting-tool, unless that's what it's being used for. Which seems to have been your point about the katanas


My point about the katanas was that they are weapons. I'm not sure how you define person-hurting-tool, but in the english language, that's called a weapon. Do you think that a gun is a weapon, yes or no?
 
2012-08-01 12:51:47 PM  

Voiceofreason01: TwowheelinTim: Being deliberately obtuse does not change the fact that the purpose of a firearm is to kill. Accelerating a projectile is a function rather than a purpose.

/Gun owner

the main purpose of a car is to go from point A to point B quickly, so you better drive as fast as you can and don't you dare enjoy doing it.

/being pedantic doesn't mean you have a real argument


media.tumblr.com
I had some meatload that was pedantic once....
 
2012-08-01 12:52:06 PM  

SpoilerAlert: So I wouldn't call your silverware drawer a weapons locker. I would call a locker filled with guns a weapons locker. Do you dispute that guns are weapons?


I wouldn't dispute that they are weapons but I will say that they are only rarely used as such, despite whatever intended purpose they might have had it's how we use these items that truly defines what they are.
 
2012-08-01 12:52:13 PM  
weapons dealers own the most? that's therious thinking
 
2012-08-01 12:52:27 PM  
Meatloaf, Goddamit.

I guess it was funnier the way I said it the first time.
 
2012-08-01 12:55:13 PM  
The poor get poorer, the rich get richer.

The stupid get stoopider, the smart get smarter.

The weak get weaker and succumb, the strong get stronger and survive.

This is the natural course of evolution, and evolution is inherently amoral.


So, who do you suppose is amassing firepower?
 
2012-08-01 12:57:37 PM  

Okie_Gunslinger: SpoilerAlert: So I wouldn't call your silverware drawer a weapons locker. I would call a locker filled with guns a weapons locker. Do you dispute that guns are weapons?

I wouldn't dispute that they are weapons but I will say that they are only rarely used as such, despite whatever intended purpose they might have had it's how we use these items that truly defines what they are.


Interesting aside:

I have a number of options for home defense in my bedroom.

A shotgun with bird shot, a giant wooden handle from a shovel, and a butchers knife.

The one Im most likely to use against an intruder, shockingly, is not what people are defining as a "weapon".
 
2012-08-01 12:59:11 PM  
... and?

Want tragedies to stop? Spend more on mental health care. Want psychos to switch to making bombs? Use gun control.
 
2012-08-01 01:01:12 PM  

Lsherm: "Those who own guns, own more guns," said Josh Sugarmann, the executive director and founder of the Violence Policy Center, a Washington-based gun control advocacy group.

This makes sense to me. Most people who legally purchase guns are buying them to shoot them, and I imagine just like every other hobby, you get bored with the same thing. I know everybody likes the "redneck stockpiles guns" theory of gun ownership, but I imagine most new purchases are driven by "I own a .22 and a .38. I wonder what it's like to shoot a .45?"

I mean, I fly R/C planes, and I own 14 of them. The likelihood that someone who flys R/C planes will have more than one is pretty damn high. I'd expect the same behavior from gun hobbyists.


Done in one.

I own 6 fermenting vessels, bottling bucket, 4 different pots (5-10gal), numerous instruments and accessories and have at least 55 lbs of various malts in my house right now. Could I make beer with one of each... yeah but... beer!
 
2012-08-01 01:02:03 PM  

Okie_Gunslinger: SpoilerAlert: So I wouldn't call your silverware drawer a weapons locker. I would call a locker filled with guns a weapons locker. Do you dispute that guns are weapons?

I wouldn't dispute that they are weapons but I will say that they are only rarely used as such, despite whatever intended purpose they might have had it's how we use these items that truly defines what they are.


Hey, I agree with that. I'm just saying that a gun owner should never, ever, forget that guns are weapons and can be lethal if used irresponsibly. If you use an RC helicopter irresponsibly, who cares, it's a toy. People can own multiple guns, and own them responsibly, however let's not compare collecting toys to collecting weapons. Gun ownership is taking responsibility for the danger involved with owning weapons.
 
2012-08-01 01:06:41 PM  

SpoilerAlert: I own a gun and I enjoy target shooting. My point was that while I enjoy target shooting, my first lesson with a gun is to never point one, loaded or unloaded, at a living target unless I meant to kill that target. Comparing a guns to collecting RC helicopters is not a good analogy. RC helicopters are toys. Guns are not toys, and if you treat them as such, you are the type of person that shouldn't own one.


I said I collected planes, asshole. Helicopters are for women and slow kids.

And my analogy still stands even if you're too much of an idiot to comprehend it.
 
2012-08-01 01:06:58 PM  
SpoilerAlert: <SNIP>
Gun ownership is taking responsibility for the danger involved with owning weapons.

So's owning a swimming pool or a grain silo. Be cautious with any of them, certainly. Know and heed the dangers of anything you own. Good advice.
 
2012-08-01 01:07:13 PM  

xanadian: Well, we gotta be number 1 at *something*...


Wait aren't you a Canadian?

America's new motto should "Come at me Bro!"
 
2012-08-01 01:09:25 PM  

SpoilerAlert: djh0101010: What percentage of guns do you think are used to hurt another person? It's not a person-hurting-tool, unless that's what it's being used for. Which seems to have been your point about the katanas

My point about the katanas was that they are weapons. I'm not sure how you define person-hurting-tool, but in the english language, that's called a weapon. Do you think that a gun is a weapon, yes or no?


Really? Because here's what you actually wrote - I even included it in my previous response to you:


SpoilerAlert: Katanas are used mostly as decorative, with only a small percentage ever actually used to hurt another person. Therefore katanas aren't weapons, but are decorations.


So, I'm having a hard time seeing what your point actually _is_. By applying your definition (well, the first time), if your Katanas aren't weapons because most of the time they're not being used as weapons, then my guns also aren't weapons, because they're never being used as them.
 
2012-08-01 01:09:27 PM  
USA USA USA

Don't you mean UN UN UN?
 
2012-08-01 01:11:04 PM  

MythDragon: I had some meatload


I'm sure you did...
 
2012-08-01 01:12:13 PM  

Lsherm: SpoilerAlert: I own a gun and I enjoy target shooting. My point was that while I enjoy target shooting, my first lesson with a gun is to never point one, loaded or unloaded, at a living target unless I meant to kill that target. Comparing a guns to collecting RC helicopters is not a good analogy. RC helicopters are toys. Guns are not toys, and if you treat them as such, you are the type of person that shouldn't own one.

I said I collected planes, asshole. Helicopters are for women and slow kids.

And my analogy still stands even if you're too much of an idiot to comprehend it.


Go back and play with your toys, men are talking.
 
2012-08-01 01:13:10 PM  

djh0101010: So, I'm having a hard time seeing what your point actually _is_. By applying your definition (well, the first time), if your Katanas aren't weapons because most of the time they're not being used as weapons, then my guns also aren't weapons, because they're never being used as them


Context motherfarker, I was using it as a sarcastic reply to another poster.
 
2012-08-01 01:15:15 PM  

stevarooni: TwowheelinTim: P.S. stating that the purpose of a gun is to accelerate a projectile is like stating the purpose of an internal combustion engine is to accelerate the pistons in their cylinders.

How 'bout this, then. A gun's purpose is to defend yourself. Normally, that means reactively trying to stop (likely kill) an assailant. It might also include soldiers defending themselves/attacking others. And actually, the M-16's main round is intended no to kill but to disable others, with the view of taking out multiple soldiers in battle (as unwounded soldiers must take the burden of dragging a fallen-but-living comrade from the battlefield).


Well done. You got my point!
 
2012-08-01 01:20:48 PM  

thecpt: TwowheelinTim: P.S. stating that the purpose of a gun is to accelerate a projectile is like stating the purpose of an internal combustion engine is to accelerate the pistons in their cylinders.

I respectfully disagree (not with your point but with your logic in the statements). The output of the gun is what was accelerated. The output of the engine is power, and not the piston.


Touché. My point is that the bullet is part of the means rather than the desired outcome or "purpose".
 
2012-08-01 01:21:37 PM  

Calmamity: I see one of my points has already been made twice. Possibly more times by the time I finish typing this.

I bought my first gun about three years ago. I bought it because I thought knowing how to use a firearm, even if you never want to, was an important part of being a well-rounded human. When I learned that I really liked going to the range and the zen of target shooting, I wondered what it would be like to shoot clays (awesome) and so on. Like most people who have a hobby they enjoy a lot, it becomes a bit of an obsession.

No one thinks Lshem is a dangerous whackjob for his 14 RC planes, but anyone whose hobby is shooting is automatically a dangerous hill-billy.


I think he is, 14 R/C planes? thats some expensive stuff even if you are switching out your servos, recivers, ect.. between planes.
Then you throw in Battery packs NIMH/LIPO and Radio's (good ones for R/C planes are extremly expensive, even decent ones for my R/C cars can make my eyes buldge a little bit.) So while maby not quite dangerous he's defnitly a whackjob although quite likley a bit of fun to hang out with.
 
2012-08-01 01:35:20 PM  
 
2012-08-01 01:38:11 PM  

MythDragon: baldrik78: Hi, can we be friends?
We can if you can answer "yes" to at least two of these questions
1. Are you a chick?
2. Do you like providing your friends with unlimited BJs?
3. Do you like Anime?

1. No.
2. No.
3. Yes

/forever alone :(
i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-08-01 01:48:16 PM  

meanmutton: SpoilerAlert: Calmamity: No one thinks Lshem is a dangerous whackjob for his 14 RC planes, but anyone whose hobby is shooting is automatically a dangerous hill-billy.

That's because if he started flying them around in a movie theater, he'd just be annoying. Target shooting is fun, but let's not forget that a gun is a tool with one main purpose.

We literally have hundreds of millions of guns in the US that are never used for that "one main purpose".


I have a gun and have not used it for its "one main purpose". Yet.

/mwwaaahhhh
//eyes shifting back and forth in a menacing fashion
 
2012-08-01 01:48:20 PM  
I'm just glad I have a standard-sized penis. That prevents me from feeling like I need to accumulate 12 guns just sitting around the house.
 
2012-08-01 01:49:12 PM  

stevarooni: ghare: So many scaredey-cats with small packages

Are those gun-owners scaring you, ghare? I'm sowwy. :-(


Don't mind them - they all seem to be preoccupied with the penis, for some reason.

Always the first thing out of their mouths...
 
2012-08-01 01:55:51 PM  

SpoilerAlert: Lsherm: SpoilerAlert: I own a gun and I enjoy target shooting. My point was that while I enjoy target shooting, my first lesson with a gun is to never point one, loaded or unloaded, at a living target unless I meant to kill that target. Comparing a guns to collecting RC helicopters is not a good analogy. RC helicopters are toys. Guns are not toys, and if you treat them as such, you are the type of person that shouldn't own one.

I said I collected planes, asshole. Helicopters are for women and slow kids.

And my analogy still stands even if you're too much of an idiot to comprehend it.

Go back and play with your toys, men are talking.


I don't see why you would be taking the condescending tone here.
 
2012-08-01 01:58:31 PM  

TXEric: Don't mind them - they all seem to be preoccupied with the penis, for some reason.

Always the first thing out of their mouths...


That's good! Because otherwise we couldn't understand them. :D
 
2012-08-01 02:00:33 PM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: I'm just glad I have a standard-sized penis. That prevents me from feeling like I need to accumulate 12 guns just sitting around the house.


So are all of your actions penis-motivated, or just the gun and vehicle ones?
 
2012-08-01 02:04:24 PM  

redmid17: I don't see why you would be taking the condescending tone here


He made an analogy comparing RC toy collecting as being the same as collecting weapons.

I explained that I don't think that is a good analogy, as guns are not toys, the idea that someone owning a lot of toys is comparable as someone owning a lot of weapons is absurd.

He called me an idiot for not understanding his flawed analogy.

Insults get condescending tone.
 
2012-08-01 02:04:27 PM  

brantgoose:
Obama says he likes Dijon Mustard instead of French's Day-Glo: buy more guns.

Well, "dijon" is a French word and the Day-Glo mustard has French in the damned name, so that means Obama is about to surrender to those cheese eating surrender monkey. Of course the proper reaction is to buy more guns!
 
2012-08-01 02:04:37 PM  

SpoilerAlert: Hey, I agree with that. I'm just saying that a gun owner should never, ever, forget that guns are weapons and can be lethal if used irresponsibly. If you use an RC helicopter irresponsibly, who cares, it's a toy. People can own multiple guns, and own them responsibly, however let's not compare collecting toys to collecting weapons. Gun ownership is taking responsibility for the danger involved with owning weapons.


Agreed, there are inherent dangers with firearms as a hobby and it is up to the gun owner to handle and store them properly that is something I myself take very seriously.
 
2012-08-01 02:12:25 PM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: I'm just glad I have a standard-sized penis. That prevents me from feeling like I need to accumulate 12 guns just sitting around the house.


So your penis has some sort of mind control over you? Congratulations on being a normal man.

My penis once tried to tell me I shouldn't be spending all my money on guns. But I punched it right in the dick.
 
2012-08-01 02:23:16 PM  

MythDragon: So your penis has some sort of mind control over you? Congratulations on being a normal man.

My penis once tried to tell me I shouldn't be spending all my money on guns. But I punched it right in the dick.


A real man would've shot that bastard instead of just punching it!
 
2012-08-01 02:23:44 PM  
So I'm a 1 percenter ?
 
2012-08-01 02:26:00 PM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: I'm just glad I have a standard-sized penis. That prevents me from feeling like I need to accumulate 12 guns just sitting around the house.


Where'd you get the penis? Cadaver?
 
2012-08-01 02:31:54 PM  
In this thread: Cowering liberals who don't value their own lives or the lives of their loved ones.

img.photobucket.com
Tell these guys they have small dicks from the comfort of your basement pansies


/Small penis "argument" = Ad hominem
 
2012-08-01 02:38:30 PM  

SpoilerAlert: redmid17: I don't see why you would be taking the condescending tone here

He made an analogy comparing RC toy collecting as being the same as collecting weapons.

I explained that I don't think that is a good analogy, as guns are not toys, the idea that someone owning a lot of toys is comparable as someone owning a lot of weapons is absurd.

He called me an idiot for not understanding his flawed analogy.

Insults get condescending tone.


It's not a flawed analogy. Gun collecting is a hobby for some people. You missed the point completely by focusing on a detail that doesn't matter, then took a high and mighty tone with your bullshiat straw man argument. You're the kind of person I'd expect to fly R/C helicopters.
 
2012-08-01 02:39:10 PM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: I'm just glad I have a standard-sized penis. That prevents me from feeling like I need to accumulate 12 guns just sitting around the house.


I have an extra large sized penis that allows me to kill things at 200 yards, so I don't need to own any guns at all. The military offered me money for it but the Contracting Officer was a fatty and the proposal response oral presentation got creepy so I bailed.
 
2012-08-01 02:53:22 PM  
Congratulations Huck And Molly Zeigler, you've been hoisted by your own canard.
 
2012-08-01 03:09:57 PM  

Fribble: In this thread: Cowering liberals who don't value their own lives or the lives of their loved ones.

[img.photobucket.com image 767x600]
Tell these guys they have small dicks from the comfort of your basement pansies


/Small penis "argument" = Ad hominem


But, the cowering liberals bit in your post is not an ad hominem?

/Hypocrisy, how does that work?
 
2012-08-01 03:11:13 PM  

SpoilerAlert: redmid17: I don't see why you would be taking the condescending tone here

He made an analogy comparing RC toy collecting as being the same as collecting weapons.

I explained that I don't think that is a good analogy, as guns are not toys, the idea that someone owning a lot of toys is comparable as someone owning a lot of weapons is absurd.

He called me an idiot for not understanding his flawed analogy.

Insults get condescending tone.


Generally the children in the room don't speak to adults in a condescending fashion. Apparently they don't get useful comparisons or veiled insults either. A collection of guns is really no different than a collection of cars. RC planes are a bit of a stretch but the concept is the same.
 
2012-08-01 03:11:32 PM  

SpoilerAlert: Kitchen knives and silverware are primarily meant to be used as kitchen knives and silverware but can be used as weapons, while weapons are primarily serve a function as weapons, but can also be used for other functions.

So I wouldn't call your silverware drawer a weapons locker. I would call a locker filled with guns a weapons locker. Do you dispute that guns are weapons?


Bullshiat. Knives are only designed to cut flesh. Do you still dispute that knives are weapons?
 
2012-08-01 03:16:13 PM  

SpoilerAlert: So I wouldn't call your silverware drawer a weapons locker. I would call a locker filled with guns a weapons locker. Do you dispute that guns are weapons?


A gun doesn't become a weapon until you use it as a weapon. If you attack someone with a baseball bat you are charged with assault with a deadly weapon. A deadly weapon that you can purchase at WalMart without so much as showing ID. If you attack someone with a butter knife, you are charged with assauly with a deadly weapon. A deadly toast buttering weapon.
Until it is used as such, a gun is simply a firearm.
 
2012-08-01 03:19:18 PM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: I'm just glad I have a standard-sized penis. That prevents me from feeling like I need to accumulate 12 guns just sitting around the house.


As a heterosexual, I'm glad I'm not obsessed with penii so I can enjoy shooting guns without freaking out like a little girl.

/NTTAWWT
 
2012-08-01 03:37:59 PM  
NightOwl2255:
/Hypocrisy, how does that work?

Not all ad hominem is fallacious.
 
2012-08-01 03:53:51 PM  

SpoilerAlert: Calmamity: No one thinks Lshem is a dangerous whackjob for his 14 RC planes, but anyone whose hobby is shooting is automatically a dangerous hill-billy.

That's because if he started flying them around in a movie theater, he'd just be annoying. Target shooting is fun, but let's not forget that a gun is a tool with one main purpose.


Sending bullets down range?
 
2012-08-01 03:55:47 PM  
I wonder how they accounted for "ownership" numbers. If you're just going by NICS background checks, you're going to be waaaay low. A large majority of gun sales and purchases are FTF now since quite a few people aren't interested in having the government know what they own. That's not to say that people aren't being checked out before purchasing weapons. I sold my AR to a guy a little while back because I needed some quick cash for a tax payment. Ran his name through the warrant database in my home state, and required him to show me a valid driver's license and either a valid voter's registration card (can't own a gun OR vote if you're a felon) or valid CHP.

Of course, I have an 03FFL, so I can buy quite a few firearms through wholesalers without having to go through all the paperwork. The gov't knows I own guns, but don't know how many unless they request my acquisition and disposition journal, and even then, those are only the C&R ones.
 
2012-08-01 03:57:32 PM  

Fribble: Not all ad hominem is fallacious.


Ah, go it.

Gun nut = small penis - ad hominem.
Gun control advocate = cowering liberal - Proven fact.

Funny thing is, gun nuts believe it to be true (gun control advocates are cowering liberals) just as strongly as gun control advocates believe that gun nuts have small penises. And neither can seem to see the stupidity of their view.
 
2012-08-01 04:01:01 PM  

tallen702: Of course, I have an 03FFL, so I can buy quite a few firearms through wholesalers without having to go through all the paperwork. The gov't knows I own guns, but don't know how many unless they request my acquisition and disposition journal, and even then, those are only the C&R ones.


A: The guberment don't care how many you own. I know it's hard to believe, but it's true. I called and asked.
B: When the gun grabbing starts on 11/7/2012 you are on the list. They told me so.
 
2012-08-01 04:05:22 PM  
There's no such thing as too many guns, only too few.
 
2012-08-01 04:08:33 PM  

NightOwl2255: Fribble: Not all ad hominem is fallacious.

Ah, go it.

Gun nut = small penis - ad hominem.
Gun control advocate = cowering liberal - Proven fact.

Funny thing is, gun nuts believe it to be true (gun control advocates are cowering liberals) just as strongly as gun control advocates believe that gun nuts have small penises. And neither can seem to see the stupidity of their view.


What's tough for me is that I am a gun-loving liberal with a great cock, so I just don't know who to yell at.
 
2012-08-01 04:14:51 PM  

Calmamity: What's tough for me is that I am a gun-loving liberal with a great cock, so I just don't know who to yell at.


My problem is I'm a gun-hating lib with a tiny penis.
 
2012-08-01 04:16:13 PM  

tallen702: I wonder how they accounted for "ownership" numbers. If you're just going by NICS background checks, you're going to be waaaay low. A large majority of gun sales and purchases are FTF now since quite a few people aren't interested in having the government know what they own. That's not to say that people aren't being checked out before purchasing weapons. I sold my AR to a guy a little while back because I needed some quick cash for a tax payment. Ran his name through the warrant database in my home state, and required him to show me a valid driver's license and either a valid voter's registration card (can't own a gun OR vote if you're a felon) or valid CHP.

Of course, I have an 03FFL, so I can buy quite a few firearms through wholesalers without having to go through all the paperwork. The gov't knows I own guns, but don't know how many unless they request my acquisition and disposition journal, and even then, those are only the C&R ones.


If they are going by total numbers instead of per person, then does it really matter if it's FTF? A gun is usually going to require an NICS check unless it's a personally made weapon you're selling FTF.
 
2012-08-01 04:19:28 PM  

lamric: There's no such thing as too many guns, only too few.


Unless your position is overrun and you have to abandon some. And they end up in the hands of the enemy. And they end up shooting you with one. That could be construed as too many.

That's why my "get out of town" bag is as big as a Winnebago.
 
2012-08-01 04:19:31 PM  

redmid17: A gun is usually going to require an NICS check unless it's a personally made weapon you're selling FTF.


There are always those NICS checks where there are multiple long arms being sold; the number is only reported if there are multiple handguns.
 
2012-08-01 04:19:37 PM  

NightOwl2255: ...And neither can seem to see the stupidity of their view.


Sure they do. Welcome to Politics:

Personal beliefs do not interfere with the pursuit of truth;
Relevant facts and information are not purposefully omitted even especially when such things may contradict one's hypothesis;
Facts are presented in a unbiased manner, and not twisted to give misleading impressions;
References are acknowledged where possible, and plagiarism is avoided
 
2012-08-01 04:20:29 PM  

stevarooni: redmid17: A gun is usually going to require an NICS check unless it's a personally made weapon you're selling FTF.

There are always those NICS checks where there are multiple long arms being sold; the number is only reported if there are multiple handguns.


Good point. I believe that you most likely be offset by the number of rejected purchases or people who simply don't buy the gun.
 
2012-08-01 04:32:02 PM  

Snarfangel: Calmamity: INo one thinks Lshem is a dangerous whackjob for his 14 RC planes, but anyone whose hobby is shooting is automatically a dangerous hill-billy.

Speak for yourself. As a collector of model World Trade Centers, I find his hobby horrifying.


sucks having bourbon shoot out your nose.

//well done, Snarfangel
 
2012-08-01 04:35:17 PM  

redmid17: Good point. I believe that you most likely be offset by the number of rejected purchases or people who simply don't buy the gun.


Look, I'm doing what I can, okay? :D
 
2012-08-01 04:38:37 PM  

stevarooni: redmid17: Good point. I believe that you most likely be offset by the number of rejected purchases or people who simply don't buy the gun.

Look, I'm doing what I can, okay? :D


Haha no problem man. I don't particularly want the government having a list of everyone whose bought a gun either, and IIRC that's actually been prohibited because the the Brady Control Bill that spawned the NICS system.
 
2012-08-01 04:40:49 PM  
Treating a model airplane like a toy is a good way to lose a finger.
I'd say that all things, especially powerful machines, require a certain level of responsibility to enjoy. The key is that we don't go taking away rights and opportunity from everyone else just because one guy didn't behave responsibly.

/Article sounded like bunk.
/We don't know how many guns are out there or who bought them, but we do know fewer people own them now than before... the hell kind of journalism is that?
 
2012-08-01 04:44:04 PM  

way south: /We don't know how many guns are out there or who bought them, but we do know fewer people own them now than before... the hell kind of journalism is that?


Has the phrase "Polyanna Journalism" been coined, yet? :D
 
2012-08-01 04:52:04 PM  
redmid17
If they are going by total numbers instead of per person, then does it really matter if it's FTF? A gun is usually going to require an NICS check unless it's a personally made weapon you're selling FTF.


Yes, because they're saying that the number of gun owners is going down in the US, when in reality, it seems to be going higher according to a whole bunch of studies conducted here in the US over the past few years.

Total number of guns is only important in determining which country has the most. Quite frankly, I agree with the person earlier in the thread who mentioned that 3rd world hell-holes keep great records of the number of firearms and owners in their countries. I'm pretty sure that gun ownership in quite a few African nations is pretty damned high.
 
2012-08-01 04:55:21 PM  

tallen702: Total number of guns is only important in determining which country has the most. Quite frankly, I agree with the person earlier in the thread who mentioned that 3rd world hell-holes keep great records of the number of firearms and owners in their countries. I'm pretty sure that gun ownership in quite a few African nations is pretty damned high.


And I'm sure there is very little paper work involved in buying a firearm there.
 
2012-08-01 05:03:46 PM  
Disarm the debt slaves and milk them dry under the boots of armed shock troops!

Only those paid to protect banks should have guns.
 
2012-08-01 05:13:41 PM  

stevarooni: way south: /We don't know how many guns are out there or who bought them, but we do know fewer people own them now than before... the hell kind of journalism is that?

Has the phrase "Polyanna Journalism" been coined, yet? :D


By all means, go for it.
Because this article and the ones it linked too seem to be almost comedic.

/Yesterday: More Americans owned guns and they were in favor of gun control.
/Today: Fewer Americans own guns and they don't want more gun control.
 
2012-08-01 05:15:46 PM  

redmid17: A collection of guns is really no different than a collection of cars


As in you're not likely old enough to own either, I get it.

Lsherm: It's not a flawed analogy. Gun collecting is a hobby for some people. You missed the point completely by focusing on a detail that doesn't matter, then took a high and mighty tone with your bullshiat straw man argument. You're the kind of person I'd expect to fly R/C helicopters


You're exactly the kind of person I'd expect to collect planes. Someone used to watching shiat go over their head.
 
2012-08-01 05:18:08 PM  

Farkage: a gun is simply a firearm


World English Dictionary
firearm (ˈfaɪərˌɑːm)

- n
a weapon, esp a portable gun or pistol, from which a projectile can be discharged by an explosion caused by igniting gunpowder, etc
 
2012-08-01 05:22:47 PM  

SpoilerAlert: redmid17: A collection of guns is really no different than a collection of cars

As in you're not likely old enough to own either, I get it.


Well I have bought 4 guns since I graduated from college and have bought my own car (sold it when I moved into the city), I'm going to go ahead and say you could not be more wrong. But then again, based on your moronic contributions to the thread, who could have imagined that?
 
2012-08-01 05:24:50 PM  

redmid17: I'm going to go ahead and say you could not be more wrong.


What if he said the moon was made of cheese?
 
2012-08-01 05:25:30 PM  

NightOwl2255: redmid17: I'm going to go ahead and say you could not be more wrong.

What if he said the moon was made of cheese?


It would be equally as wrong.
 
2012-08-01 05:27:46 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

images.sodahead.com

//hot like my barrel
 
2012-08-01 05:29:59 PM  

redmid17: SpoilerAlert: redmid17: A collection of guns is really no different than a collection of cars

As in you're not likely old enough to own either, I get it.

Well I have bought 4 guns since I graduated from college and have bought my own car (sold it when I moved into the city), I'm going to go ahead and say you could not be more wrong. But then again, based on your moronic contributions to the thread, who could have imagined that?


Yeah, my discussing how guns are a responsibility that shouldn't be compared to toys, are poor contributions compare to your snark. Just like how collecting guns and collecting toys are no different because it's just collecting stuff, like pokemon. Wow, that amazing observation really blows me away. I'm glad you and your homey contributed that to the thread and think that my saying toys shouldn't be compared to guns was so dumb. You got me ;)
 
2012-08-01 05:32:08 PM  

NightOwl2255: redmid17: I'm going to go ahead and say you could not be more wrong.

What if he said the moon was made of cheese?


That's absurd. Everyone knows the moon is fake.
 
2012-08-01 05:32:24 PM  
If only they could get a gold medal for shooting.
 
2012-08-01 05:33:17 PM  

redmid17: NightOwl2255: redmid17: I'm going to go ahead and say you could not be more wrong.

What if he said the moon was made of cheese?

It would be equally as wrong.


More awesome contributions. I don't know how Total Fark gets along without your insight.
 
2012-08-01 05:34:37 PM  

SpoilerAlert: redmid17: SpoilerAlert: redmid17: A collection of guns is really no different than a collection of cars

As in you're not likely old enough to own either, I get it.

Well I have bought 4 guns since I graduated from college and have bought my own car (sold it when I moved into the city), I'm going to go ahead and say you could not be more wrong. But then again, based on your moronic contributions to the thread, who could have imagined that?

Yeah, my discussing how guns are a responsibility that shouldn't be compared to toys, are poor contributions compare to your snark. Just like how collecting guns and collecting toys are no different because it's just collecting stuff, like pokemon. Wow, that amazing observation really blows me away. I'm glad you and your homey contributed that to the thread and think that my saying toys shouldn't be compared to guns was so dumb. You got me ;)


I was saying cars, not RC planes. Either way a collection is a collection. The overarching concepts remain the same, and guns already have more regulations and laws attached to them per related death in this country other potential cause of death.

If you really want to flip your shiat, you should check out potential collections of flamethrowers (legal in 40 states) and binary explosives like tannerite! Seriously, if you get this worked up over a hobby, then you really, really need to have your anti-anxiety meds re-upped.
 
2012-08-01 05:36:35 PM  

SpoilerAlert: redmid17: NightOwl2255: redmid17: I'm going to go ahead and say you could not be more wrong.

What if he said the moon was made of cheese?

It would be equally as wrong.

More awesome contributions. I don't know how Total Fark gets along without your insight.


Pretty easy. I don't pay the $5 a month to do so nor do I care if anyone gifts me a subscription. I had it for all of 2 months once and it wasn't really worth my time. I'm sure your 4 months on Fark have no doubt rendered you a battle tested veteran.
 
2012-08-01 05:38:17 PM  
Less than 1% of the world's population owns one-third of the guns on the planet.

Gotdam right
 
2012-08-01 05:38:59 PM  

SpoilerAlert: Yeah, my discussing how guns are a responsibility that shouldn't be compared to toys, are poor contributions compare to your snark. Just like how collecting guns and collecting toys are no different because it's just collecting stuff, like pokemon. Wow, that amazing observation really blows me away. I'm glad you and your homey contributed that to the thread and think that my saying toys shouldn't be compared to guns was so dumb. You got me ;)


Nobody gives a shiat about your nit-picking between guns and RC Planes. You are getting dumped on because of your asinine "Let't not forget gunz r just 4 killin'" nonsense. If you don't want to be treated like an idiot, don't show everybody that you are one.
 
2012-08-01 05:45:46 PM  

umad: SpoilerAlert: Yeah, my discussing how guns are a responsibility that shouldn't be compared to toys, are poor contributions compare to your snark. Just like how collecting guns and collecting toys are no different because it's just collecting stuff, like pokemon. Wow, that amazing observation really blows me away. I'm glad you and your homey contributed that to the thread and think that my saying toys shouldn't be compared to guns was so dumb. You got me ;)

Nobody gives a shiat about your nit-picking between guns and RC Planes. You are getting dumped on because of your asinine "Let't not forget gunz r just 4 killin'" nonsense. If you don't want to be treated like an idiot, don't show everybody that you are one.


That's because gun nuts are nuts. Hell I own a gun, but apparently if you mention that a gun is a weapon, gun nuts just flat out twist themselves into knots trying to compare it to a butter knife, or other assorted silverware, and act like shooting paper targets are all they are designed to do, as if hunting and shooting other people are just something you also can accidently do with a gun.

fark, at least the guy who owns R/C planes isn't trying to convince people they aren't toys.

My father in law collects cars, but he never drives them, so I guess they aren't vehicles.
 
2012-08-01 05:49:52 PM  

redmid17: SpoilerAlert: redmid17: NightOwl2255: redmid17: I'm going to go ahead and say you could not be more wrong.

What if he said the moon was made of cheese?

It would be equally as wrong.

More awesome contributions. I don't know how Total Fark gets along without your insight.

Pretty easy. I don't pay the $5 a month to do so nor do I care if anyone gifts me a subscription. I had it for all of 2 months once and it wasn't really worth my time. I'm sure your 4 months on Fark have no doubt rendered you a battle tested veteran.


Nah, I knew how to fish already.
 
2012-08-01 05:52:17 PM  

SpoilerAlert: redmid17: SpoilerAlert: redmid17: NightOwl2255: redmid17: I'm going to go ahead and say you could not be more wrong.

What if he said the moon was made of cheese?

It would be equally as wrong.

More awesome contributions. I don't know how Total Fark gets along without your insight.

Pretty easy. I don't pay the $5 a month to do so nor do I care if anyone gifts me a subscription. I had it for all of 2 months once and it wasn't really worth my time. I'm sure your 4 months on Fark have no doubt rendered you a battle tested veteran.

Nah, I knew how to fish already.


i1046.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-01 05:52:58 PM  

SpoilerAlert: That's because gun nuts are nuts. Hell I own a gun, but apparently if you mention that a gun is a weapon, gun nuts just flat out twist themselves into knots trying to compare it to a butter knife, or other assorted silverware, and act like shooting paper targets are all they are designed to do, as if hunting and shooting other people are just something you also can accidently do with a gun.


Well if killing is all they are designed to do, then we need to come up with a better tool. The hundreds of millions of them out there that have never killed anyone prove you are a mouth-breathing tard. Get rid of your gun. You aren't smart enough to own one.
 
2012-08-01 05:56:23 PM  

redmid17: SpoilerAlert: redmid17: SpoilerAlert: redmid17: NightOwl2255: redmid17: I'm going to go ahead and say you could not be more wrong.

What if he said the moon was made of cheese?

It would be equally as wrong.

More awesome contributions. I don't know how Total Fark gets along without your insight.

Pretty easy. I don't pay the $5 a month to do so nor do I care if anyone gifts me a subscription. I had it for all of 2 months once and it wasn't really worth my time. I'm sure your 4 months on Fark have no doubt rendered you a battle tested veteran.

Nah, I knew how to fish already.

[i1046.photobucket.com image 625x625]


That is a artful picture of me.
 
2012-08-01 05:58:25 PM  

SpoilerAlert: redmid17: SpoilerAlert: redmid17: SpoilerAlert: redmid17: NightOwl2255: redmid17: I'm going to go ahead and say you could not be more wrong.

What if he said the moon was made of cheese?

It would be equally as wrong.

More awesome contributions. I don't know how Total Fark gets along without your insight.

Pretty easy. I don't pay the $5 a month to do so nor do I care if anyone gifts me a subscription. I had it for all of 2 months once and it wasn't really worth my time. I'm sure your 4 months on Fark have no doubt rendered you a battle tested veteran.

Nah, I knew how to fish already.

[i1046.photobucket.com image 625x625]

That is a artful picture of me.


I've met Mandy Patankin, and you are no Mandy Patankin.
 
2012-08-01 05:59:58 PM  

umad: Well if killing is all they are designed to do, then we need to come up with a better tool. The hundreds of millions of them out there that have never killed anyone prove you are a mouth-breathing tard. Get rid of your gun. You aren't smart enough to own one


You can use a sword only as a letter opener, but it was designed to cut people into littler pieces. The fact that some guns haven't been used to hunt or kill does not mean that they were created to shoot paper targets. The fact that you think your gun is a toy to play with means you shouldn't be allowed to own one.
 
2012-08-01 06:10:18 PM  

SpoilerAlert: umad: Well if killing is all they are designed to do, then we need to come up with a better tool. The hundreds of millions of them out there that have never killed anyone prove you are a mouth-breathing tard. Get rid of your gun. You aren't smart enough to own one

You can use a sword only as a letter opener, but it was designed to cut people into littler pieces. The fact that some guns haven't been used to hunt or kill does not mean that they were created to shoot paper targets. The fact that you think your gun is a toy to play with means you shouldn't be allowed to own one.


When your uncle turns in his collector cars, then we can start to talk.
 
2012-08-01 06:10:34 PM  

SpoilerAlert: Farkage: a gun is simply a firearm

World English Dictionary
firearm (ˈfaɪərˌɑːm)

- n
a weapon, esp a portable gun or pistol, from which a projectile can be discharged by an explosion caused by igniting gunpowder, etc


Very clever, but it doesn't invalidate my point that anything can be a weapon, including anything in your house that isn't nailed down, and you can and will be charged accordingly. What you actually use it for makes the final determination, doesn't it? (No, I'm not remotely implying that they aren't ever weapons, but you need to take into account that the vast majority of them will never be used that way. )
 
2012-08-01 06:19:21 PM  

Farkage: SpoilerAlert: Farkage: a gun is simply a firearm

World English Dictionary
firearm (ˈfaɪərˌɑːm)

- n
a weapon, esp a portable gun or pistol, from which a projectile can be discharged by an explosion caused by igniting gunpowder, etc

Very clever, but it doesn't invalidate my point that anything can be a weapon, including anything in your house that isn't nailed down, and you can and will be charged accordingly. What you actually use it for makes the final determination, doesn't it? (No, I'm not remotely implying that they aren't ever weapons, but you need to take into account that the vast majority of them will never be used that way. )


I'm not invalidating your point that anything can be used as a weapon. My point remains that guns are designed primarily for the purpose of being weapons. Like a fork is a utensil. It is made to shovel food towards your face. You can use it to pick your nose, by use it is a nose-picker, by design it is a utensil.

I mention that people should respect the lethality of a gun as a weapon and half the gun owning dipshiats on fark jump out to tell me it's not a weapon and I'm an idiot for thinking that a gun could possibly be designed with shooting living things in mind. I was never for more gun control, but damn has this changed my mind. People this jumpy and defensive over an obvious statement shouldn't own guns.
 
2012-08-01 06:21:25 PM  

redmid17: When your uncle turns in his collector cars, then we can start to talk


Father in law, and you'd have to pry them from his cold dead hands before he'd part with them.
 
2012-08-01 06:25:00 PM  

SpoilerAlert: Farkage: SpoilerAlert: Farkage: a gun is simply a firearm

World English Dictionary
firearm (ˈfaɪərˌɑːm)

- n
a weapon, esp a portable gun or pistol, from which a projectile can be discharged by an explosion caused by igniting gunpowder, etc

Very clever, but it doesn't invalidate my point that anything can be a weapon, including anything in your house that isn't nailed down, and you can and will be charged accordingly. What you actually use it for makes the final determination, doesn't it? (No, I'm not remotely implying that they aren't ever weapons, but you need to take into account that the vast majority of them will never be used that way. )

I'm not invalidating your point that anything can be used as a weapon. My point remains that guns are designed primarily for the purpose of being weapons. Like a fork is a utensil. It is made to shovel food towards your face. You can use it to pick your nose, by use it is a nose-picker, by design it is a utensil.

I mention that people should respect the lethality of a gun as a weapon and half the gun owning dipshiats on fark jump out to tell me it's not a weapon and I'm an idiot for thinking that a gun could possibly be designed with shooting living things in mind. I was never for more gun control, but damn has this changed my mind. People this jumpy and defensive over an obvious statement shouldn't own guns.


Sounds like we're kind of on the same page then. Realistically, they didn't invent guns ~800 years ago (or whatever) so they could target shoot on weekends. They're fine owning guns, their statements won't make them go out and shoot a bunch of people. I know people are defensive after Colorado especially when Democrats won't waste a good crisis to try to pass ineffective laws. (Hear about the push to ban online ammo sales?)
I have several guns myself, don't have the stomach to hunt. Clay pigeons and pieces of paper are afraid of me though :)
 
2012-08-01 06:25:29 PM  

SpoilerAlert: redmid17: When your uncle turns in his collector cars, then we can start to talk

Father in law, and you'd have to pry them from his cold dead hands before he'd part with them.


He can only hold two at most with his hands, so I'm sure they'd start with the ones he isn't touching.
 
2012-08-01 07:12:03 PM  

SpoilerAlert: I was never for more gun control, but damn has this changed my mind.


So you've been trolling then. Good jorb. I suppose you can point out where anyone said that "guns aren't weapons." Unlike you, we aren't idiots. We know guns are dangerous. That still doesn't mean they are only designed for one reason. And finally, SAYING GUNS WERE NOT ONLY DESIGNED FOR KILLING DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE SAYING THEY AREN'T DANGEROUS!

I wrote that last bit in caps in hopes that it will penetrate your thick farking skull. Now do everyone a favor and get rid of your gun. You own one and think they are only for killing. That means you want to kill. Most gun owners don't. Alright, I'll stop now. Trying to use retard logic hurts my brain.
 
2012-08-01 07:19:24 PM  

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//hot like my barrel


Here is a piece written by Australia's longest serving conservative Prime Minister about guns in the US versus guns in Australia and gun control. I think he's right.

Link

/As a note I actually like guns, they're fun, but I'd prefer my idiot neighbour didn't own one.
 
2012-08-01 08:09:08 PM  
Less than 1% of the world's population owns one-third of the guns crossbows on the planet.
Fixed.

Other meaningless substitutions:
• bullwhips
• Ferraris
• Armani suits
• tractors
• telescopes
• leather chaps
• badminton rackets
etc.
 
2012-08-01 08:39:06 PM  
Collecting guns you don't ever shoot. Yup that's a proper collection!
 
2012-08-01 08:45:51 PM  

Tahs4Evar: Here is a piece written by Australia's longest serving conservative Prime Minister about guns in the US versus guns in Australia and gun control. I think he's right.

Link


From that link: Researchers at Harvard University in 2011 revealed that in the 18 years prior to the 1996 Australian laws, there were 13 gun massacres (four or more fatalities) in Australia, resulting in 102 deaths. There have been none in that category since the Port Arthur laws.

Saving an average of 5.7 lives per year. "Is your freedom worth 5.7 people a year?" If the government controlled all communication, if they censored any potential planning for terrorist or unhealthy acts, they could save a lot more lives than that! How many lives are lost due to STDs, high cholesterol, or inept use of five gallon buckets could be saved compared with that?
 
2012-08-01 08:48:10 PM  

Haoie: Collecting guns you don't ever shoot. Yup that's a proper collection!


That's how museums collect guns, yes.
 
2012-08-01 09:01:18 PM  

redmid17: SpoilerAlert: redmid17: When your uncle turns in his collector cars, then we can start to talk

Father in law, and you'd have to pry them from his cold dead hands before he'd part with them.

He can only hold two at most with his hands, so I'm sure they'd start with the ones he isn't touching.


He grows extra hands when you're not looking, it's farking scary.

umad: And finally, SAYING GUNS WERE NOT ONLY DESIGNED FOR KILLING DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE SAYING THEY AREN'T DANGEROUS!


Even butter knives are dangerous in the right hands. Aside from hunting and killing, WTF do you think they are designed for? You don't need to worry about jamming, folding stocks, laser sights, non-reflective finishing, etc if you're sneaking up on a paper target. What else aside from shooting things are you using them for? Opening bottles?

I'll give you those rifles that could also grind coffee in the civil war, but it's not like these things are swiss army knives.
 
2012-08-01 09:29:40 PM  
For those of you who can't seem to wrap your brains around the fact that the gun is a tool and by itself has broken no laws. It's what you use the tool for that makes all the difference.
Use a tire iron to tighten the lug nuts on your car? OK.
Use a tire iron to cave in someone's skull? Not so much.
It is no consolation to the victim whether you used a tire iron or a gun. The law also doesn't care so much about that detail.

As for "primary purpose" that's also hogwash. Here let me help your limited imaginations.

Specifically designed to put tiny holes in paper very accurately. Please show a single instance of this being used to kill a person.

www.50bmgstore.com
I know, it's scary but primary purpose was as an anti-materiel and EOD rifle. Sure, it's been used as a sniper rifle vs people, however NOT it's primary purpose.

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Primary use: signal for help. Can it be lethal? I'm certain of it. Primary purpose? Not so much.

Please engage your mind next time you open your mouth. You see a mouth and mind are kind of a tandem, they should ideally be in the same state, open or closed.
 
2012-08-01 09:31:30 PM  
HTML fail, first image didn't post. Here you go.
www.champchoice.com
 
2012-08-01 09:50:12 PM  

Luse: Specifically designed to put tiny holes in paper very accurately


That's not a weapon then, that's an extremely expensive hole punch.

Though

Luse: Please show a single instance of this being used to kill a person


and

Luse: Sure, it's been used as a sniper rifle vs people


is funny when you add

Luse: Please engage your mind next time you open your mouth


That.

I also don't think you'll find an argument from me that a flare guns primary purpose is to shoot signal flare for help. But you're delusional if you think a 9mm and a flare gun are designed for the same purpose.

I love target shooting. It's one of the most relaxing things in the world, that moment when you line up a shot and squeeze. But it's still a weapon.
 
2012-08-01 09:52:36 PM  

Luse: The law also doesn't care so much about that detail.


Well, that's not entirely true. There are many sentencing guidelines (hell, there are crimes that specifically involved the use of a gun) that call for certain sentences when a gun is involved. Including murder, manslaughter and other crimes that involve a death.

Luse: Specifically designed to put tiny holes in paper very accurately. Please show a single instance of this being used to kill a person.

I know, it's scary but primary purpose was as an anti-materiel and EOD rifle. Sure, it's been used as a sniper rifle vs people, however NOT it's primary purpose.


Huh? When is was used as a snipe rifle did the shooter miss every shot?
 
2012-08-01 10:35:35 PM  
Nightowl, I'm hoping you are trolling. If you read the VERY NEXT POST it was an HTML fail.

But for the slow, allow me to be more blunt.
Please show me a single instance of the target pistol, a true firearm using .22lr ammo, being used to kill a person.

My HTML skills (or lack thereof) in no way detract from the statement.
 
2012-08-01 10:45:23 PM  
And who has the most freedom as well.......
 
2012-08-01 10:49:50 PM  
Spoileralert:

I do not deny that all of the 3 examples (there are many more) are weapons. A pen can be mightier than a sword. We all know this.
The point I make is, left alone, without human intervention, the gun is NOT a weapon. It's a completely inert, dead hunk of metal and wood/composite. When I pick it up, insert a magazine and charge the slide it becomes a potential weapon, or a really expensive hole punch.
As has been mentioned before, a baseball bat can be a weapon. You talk of intended purpose but that is entirely objective. Give an aluminum baseball bat to an Aborigine, or a South American tribesman living traditionally. I'm willing to bet they won't use it to start a baseball game.
Hell, even feet can be used as weapons, and not even in the traditional kicking sense. There are Aborigine tribes that quite literally run their prey down to exhaustion.

You like definitions, so here you go. You're obviously not an idiot. Please stop trying your best to convince us otherwise.
weap·on (wpn)
n.
1. An instrument of attack or defense in combat, as a gun, missile, or sword.
2. Zoology A part or organ, such as a claw or stinger, used by an animal in attack or defense.
3. A means used to defend against or defeat another: Logic was her weapon.
 
2012-08-01 10:50:05 PM  

Luse: Nightowl, I'm hoping you are trolling. If you read the VERY NEXT POST it was an HTML fail.

But for the slow, allow me to be more blunt.


You can't post a simple picture correctly, and fail to preview, but you want to call me slow?

Hope you have a good glazier on speed dial, what with all those broken windows in your glass house.
 
2012-08-01 10:54:54 PM  

NightOwl2255: Luse: Nightowl, I'm hoping you are trolling. If you read the VERY NEXT POST it was an HTML fail.

But for the slow, allow me to be more blunt.

You can't post a simple picture correctly, and fail to preview, but you want to call me slow?

Hope you have a good glazier on speed dial, what with all those broken windows in your glass house.


I see, then you didn't accidentally miss the next post and it's explanation. You intentionally ignored it. So I take it back. You're not an idiot. You're an intentionally dishonest douche.
I fail to see how this makes you any more credible.
 
2012-08-01 10:59:02 PM  

NightOwl2255: Luse: Nightowl, I'm hoping you are trolling. If you read the VERY NEXT POST it was an HTML fail.

But for the slow, allow me to be more blunt.

You can't post a simple picture correctly, and fail to preview, but you want to call me slow?

Hope you have a good glazier on speed dial, what with all those broken windows in your glass house.


He got 2 out of 3, so he clearly can post a picture. Meatloaf approves.
 
2012-08-01 11:07:32 PM  

Luse: I see, then you didn't accidentally miss the next post and it's explanation. You intentionally ignored it. So I take it back. You're not an idiot. You're an intentionally dishonest douche.
I fail to see how this makes you any more credible.


You seem like a really nice, polite, level-headed guy.
 
2012-08-01 11:09:45 PM  

NightOwl2255: Luse: I see, then you didn't accidentally miss the next post and it's explanation. You intentionally ignored it. So I take it back. You're not an idiot. You're an intentionally dishonest douche.
I fail to see how this makes you any more credible.

You seem like a really nice, polite, level-headed guy.


helian.net
 
2012-08-01 11:12:47 PM  

redmid17: He got 2 out of 3, so he clearly can post a picture. Meatloaf approves.


Funny thing is, I'm on his side (if there are sides). He's just so bent on tilting a windmill, he can't see beyond the end of his lance.
 
2012-08-01 11:13:40 PM  

NightOwl2255: Luse: I see, then you didn't accidentally miss the next post and it's explanation. You intentionally ignored it. So I take it back. You're not an idiot. You're an intentionally dishonest douche.
I fail to see how this makes you any more credible.

You seem like a really nice, polite, level-headed guy.


Depends on how you approach me. In my post I made an error. In my very next post I realized my error, admitted to it, corrected it and even took a little shot at myself in humor.
You chose to completely ignore it. In my response I even gave you the benefit of the doubt in the statement "I hope you are trolling".
You chose a personal attack rather than trying to debate any of my actual point. If you intentionally ignore all of the above and instead launch a personal attack on me, not bothering to debate the actual point, I can only come to this conclusion. Should you ever decide to engage me on the actual merit of my argument you may see a different side.
 
2012-08-01 11:34:21 PM  

Luse: You chose to completely ignore it.


I did? How do you know this? I did not see your "correction" post. I replied to you without anything that could be called insulting or attacking. You decide that I was "slow" and was personally attacking you. You've called me slow and a dishonest (which I would like you to point out where I posted anything that was dishonest) douche. Yes, a true gentleman.
 
2012-08-02 12:01:33 AM  
Not only did I make a correction post but I also had another post stating "Luse: Nightowl, I'm hoping you are trolling. If you read the VERY NEXT POST it was an HTML fail."

That was the VERY FIRST sentence in my response. It was meant as an If/Or statement oh HTML god. You for some reason latched on to the OR part and attacked me. You CHOSE the "slow" statement.

Also, I can't help but notice others chiming in and agreeing with me, while on your side I hear *crickets*. Furthermore you have YET to actually address my original (corrected) post.

The slow accusation I withdrew, had you bothered to notice. The dishonesty lies in ignoring my follow up post, several times at this point, you ignoring the withdrawl, and continually ignoring the actual point of the debate. SpoilerAlert did the same thing, but at least he had the decency to bow out without further trying to drag the debate off topic. He even conceded that the .22lr chambered target pistol is an "expensive hole punch" instead of a weapon.

You attack me on my mental faculties, yet claim you can't even read a 1 line, 1 picture post immediately following my error. In spite of the fact that it's been pointed out several times you still use this defense and continue trying to attack my character.
Also, for the record I never claimed to be a gentleman. Strawman much?
 
2012-08-02 09:29:30 AM  

Luse: Not only did I make a correction post but I also had another post stating "Luse: Nightowl, I'm hoping you are trolling. If you read the VERY NEXT POST it was an HTML fail."

That was the VERY FIRST sentence in my response. It was meant as an If/Or statement oh HTML god. You for some reason latched on to the OR part and attacked me. You CHOSE the "slow" statement.

Also, I can't help but notice others chiming in and agreeing with me, while on your side I hear *crickets*. Furthermore you have YET to actually address my original (corrected) post.

The slow accusation I withdrew, had you bothered to notice. The dishonesty lies in ignoring my follow up post, several times at this point, you ignoring the withdrawl, and continually ignoring the actual point of the debate. SpoilerAlert did the same thing, but at least he had the decency to bow out without further trying to drag the debate off topic. He even conceded that the .22lr chambered target pistol is an "expensive hole punch" instead of a weapon.

You attack me on my mental faculties, yet claim you can't even read a 1 line, 1 picture post immediately following my error. In spite of the fact that it's been pointed out several times you still use this defense and continue trying to attack my character.
Also, for the record I never claimed to be a gentleman. Strawman much?


Shouldn't you be off slaying windmills?
 
2012-08-02 09:55:51 AM  

Kit Fister: Is this, or is this not counting the multitude of weaponry floating around the middle east, south america, africa, etc? I have a hard time believing that these statistics, especially from the VPC.


Doesn't the president technically own every gun in the military as a result of being commander in chief? I bet that skews the numbers a bit.
 
2012-08-02 10:01:05 PM  

Luse: You talk of intended purpose but that is entirely objective


Alright, so how many other purposes do you think guns have, and do you think the evolution of models have been meant to make that object more useful in hunting or combat or not?

A baseball bats primary use is to hit baseballs. A butter knife is primarily used to spread butter. You can use either as weapons. The primary function of a gun is as a weapon. The entire history and evolution of different gun models are about making it a better weapon. The reason the AK is popular is because it can be used in multiple environments and doesn't jam. That's not a big deal if you shoot targets.
 
2012-08-02 11:29:07 PM  
All of your questions are already answered in my previous posts.
Yes, the AK doesn't jam, it also rarely hits what you aim it at. It's only popular because it has such loose tolerances that any idiot can make it go bang.

Baseball bats are clubs. YOU may use them for hitting a ball. Many use it to hit a skull.
The "main" use is in the intent, period. What makes YOUR personal idea of what the "intended" use is more valid than anyone elses?
You called the .22lr pistol posted above "an expensive hole punch" and yes, THAT is it's intended purpose. And it's a firearm, imagine that.
The best use we found for lead when we first started playing with it was to make plates and silverware. So by all means, use it for it's main intended use.
Viagra's original intended purposes was as a cardiovascular drug that lowers blood pressure, and for some reason everyone uses it as boner pills.
Absolutely noone abuses prescription meds do they, because you know, that's not their intended purpose.
For that matter, gunpowder's original intended use was for fireworks. So since all a gun really does is set off a gunpowder charge, it's main use must be entertainment.

Instead of fixating on banning objects, let's work on fixing behavior. I believe that ultimately we want the same thing, less senseless loss of life, preferably none.
Fine, let's work toward that goal. There are far more meaningful things we can do that have already been rehashed dozens of times.
 
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