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2012-08-01 07:01:54 AM

Kuroutesshin: At least in the US cops are SOMEWHAT accountable.


No kidding. I have the impression that most of the folks that whine about US police have never lived overseas. American cops have to respond to far more violent crime than most, yet can be taken to court for their actions. In many countries, nobody touches the cops, period. People are genuinely afraid of the cops.

Even here in 1st world Japan, I know people who'd refuse to say anything bad about them even on a message board, like this. I have good friends living in China and Europe that feel similarly. That's just the response to the uniformed police; these countries have large plain-clothes forces that can act with autonomy will little fear of review.

The job attracts a certain percentage of pricks; it's a given for a power-wielding position like that. However, there are checks and balances in the system that are unique, and cops can be punished.

The US has some of the nicest cops in the world. So nice, that folks can verbally harass them in person (like this chick), and still complain that they were treated badly because they didn't get away with breaking a law. Twice.
 
2012-08-01 07:06:12 AM
From the article, it sounds like the charges were mainly because she decided to mouth off to the cop.
 
2012-08-01 07:11:29 AM
However, in court, the officer who reprimanded her back in March says she responded with an attitude and curse words.

That's known as free speech in this country, pig.

"A couple of weeks ago, I was covering over pornographic drawings done in chalk. It doesn't matter what the medium is. It's offensive."

They were "covering over" chalk? Is everyone in this town retarded?
 
2012-08-01 07:15:49 AM
If you don't teach your kid boundaries they are not going too grow up well adjusted.
 
2012-08-01 07:18:57 AM
Gee, i dont know why a cop should feel like he has a right to approach a mother because her and her precious snowflake are entitled to draw on public property.

Buy her a damn coloring book and some crayons you cheap ass.
 
2012-08-01 07:23:08 AM

Slappajo: Gee, i dont know why a cop should feel like he has a right to approach a mother because she and her precious snowflake think she is entitled to draw on public property.

Buy her a damn coloring book and some crayons you cheap ass.


FTFM
 
2012-08-01 07:33:22 AM
"...the officer who reprimanded her back in March says she responded with an attitude and curse words."

I hope some of those words were "Fark you, you fascist coont, go jam a nozzle into your mongoloid arse and irrigate your shiat-filled brain."
 
2012-08-01 07:37:55 AM
The derp is strong with this one:

"Even though both sides share their point-of-views..."

Try "points of view."

No hyphenization, and let's pluralize the subject of the phrase instead of the object, mmmmmkay?

Mmkay.
 
2012-08-01 07:38:07 AM

BenJammin: If you don't teach your kid boundaries they are not going too grow up well adjusted.


If you don't teach them spelling and grammar, they are not going two get a good job.
 
2012-08-01 07:39:36 AM

PacManDreaming: doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers...

Yep, if you just keep your mouth shut and be respectful, you'll be amazed at what you can get away with. Act like a prick to a cop and they'll be more than happy to show you who can be a bigger prick.


Agreed. Can't argue with that kind of logic.

\As Wheaton might say, everyday should be "don't be a dick day"
 
2012-08-01 07:42:51 AM

guises: The mother told her kid to deface a bunch of rocks in a nature conservancy, then swore at the police officer when he told her to stop. Why is it that all I'm seeing are "fark the pigs" comments?


That didn't happen. Go back to bed. Come back when you can comment without making shiat up.
 
2012-08-01 07:46:14 AM
cretinbob

This is what happens when Republicans run every thing



Riiight. Republicans are the police state party

Police Unions to Endorse Obama/Biden
Today, the Obama-Biden campaign is holding a conference call with Senator Joe Biden to proudly announce the endorsement of the National Association of Police Organizations (NAPO).

...NAPO represents more than 2,000 police unions and associations, 238,000 sworn law enforcement officers, 11,000 retired officers...


and

Obama Beats McCain in Va....

So derpy OP, apparently this is what happens when democrats are the majority.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your whargarrrrble.
 
2012-08-01 07:47:10 AM

untaken_name: As we deconstruct our religious heritage


That's not what "deconstruct" means.
 
2012-08-01 07:54:40 AM

AssAsInAssassin: untaken_name: As we deconstruct our religious heritage

That's not what "deconstruct" means.


Yeah, I meant to write "destroy" there. Not sure where "deconstruct" came from, as we're not examining it in detail, we're jettisoning it. Thank you for pointing that out, I (obviously) didn't notice it on preview.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-08-01 07:56:48 AM
In 2001 IBM hired somebody to run the "peace, love, and linux" ad campaign including chalk on sidewalks. Chalk on sidewalks is vandalism. Community service was not an option. Cleaning up the ads was not an option (IBM offered). The cities wanted cash to cover cleanup costs at city municipal employee pay rates. This was in SF and Cambridge. This is what happens when Democrats run every thing.
 
2012-08-01 08:01:43 AM
fark that. Cops are just assholes regardless. Even if you're angry, you do NOT deserve to be arrested, cited or charged. There is no law against being angry or showing it.

If you can't deal with a reasonably angry person, you shouldn't be a cop. And cops should be punished for arresting otherwise orderly citizens for the crime of "being mad" or even cursing. I find it despicable and disheartening that so many of you think it's perfectly ok for cops to be so overzealous.

Authority should never be respected just for authority's sake. Abuse of authority should never be accepted or respected.
 
2012-08-01 08:05:29 AM

eajc4f:
The US has some of the nicest cops in the world. So nice, that folks can verbally harass them in person (like this chick), and still complain that they were treated badly because they didn't get away with breaking a law. Twice.


Meet some British, Australian, and New Zealand cops - I suspect your calibration of "nice" is busted.
 
2012-08-01 08:10:24 AM

doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers, respectful, and cop to the little stuff you know you done wrong and most of the time you'll get leniency. A cop tells you your kid can't draw on the rocks at a landmark, you don't tell him to go take a flying fark at a rolling donut and expect to get away scot free. You be respectful to him and mortified on behalf of your kids and pull the kid off the rocks and explain "We can't draw on these rocks, kiddo." and offer to wash it off or whatever. 99 percent of the time, that's the end of it.

Meanwhile, if you get hostile and use offensive language and you'll see just how many bullshiat laws there are on the books when you get you ass hauled in. It doesn't take much to go from citizen to perp when "Disorderly Conduct" is on the books. Even if your lawyer gets it tossed out, you still have to deal with that kind of thing. It's expensive. "Speak softly and carry a big stick." requires first speaking softly. Just remember this little verse:

"Kindness breeds blindness but biatches get stitches."


fark YOU
 
2012-08-01 08:19:53 AM
Just another way for the Government to use their citizens as slave labor
 
2012-08-01 08:19:59 AM
Back in 2010, court documents show the same officer issued Mortensen a summons for destruction of property on Belle Isle.

How odd. News outlet includes backstory.
bravo
 
2012-08-01 08:32:31 AM

cretinbob: This is what happens when Republicans run every thing


fark off troll.
 
2012-08-01 08:34:24 AM

doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers, respectful, and cop to the little stuff you know you done wrong and most of the time you'll get leniency. A cop tells you your kid can't draw on the rocks at a landmark, you don't tell him to go take a flying fark at a rolling donut and expect to get away scot free. You be respectful to him and mortified on behalf of your kids and pull the kid off the rocks and explain "We can't draw on these rocks, kiddo." and offer to wash it off or whatever. 99 percent of the time, that's the end of it.

Meanwhile, if you get hostile and use offensive language and you'll see just how many bullshiat laws there are on the books when you get you ass hauled in. It doesn't take much to go from citizen to perp when "Disorderly Conduct" is on the books. Even if your lawyer gets it tossed out, you still have to deal with that kind of thing. It's expensive. "Speak softly and carry a big stick." requires first speaking softly. Just remember this little verse:

"Kindness breeds blindness but biatches get stitches."


So basically, she got community service for being a coont. I'm ok with this.
 
2012-08-01 08:38:24 AM

doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers, respectful, and cop to the little stuff you know you done wrong and most of the time you'll get leniency. A cop tells you your kid can't draw on the rocks at a landmark, you don't tell him to go take a flying fark at a rolling donut and expect to get away scot free. You be respectful to him and mortified on behalf of your kids and pull the kid off the rocks and explain "We can't draw on these rocks, kiddo." and offer to wash it off or whatever. 99 percent of the time, that's the end of it.

Meanwhile, if you get hostile and use offensive language and you'll see just how many bullshiat laws there are on the books when you get you ass hauled in. It doesn't take much to go from citizen to perp when "Disorderly Conduct" is on the books. Even if your lawyer gets it tossed out, you still have to deal with that kind of thing. It's expensive. "Speak softly and carry a big stick." requires first speaking softly. Just remember this little verse:

"Kindness breeds blindness but biatches get stitches."


People must show respect to assholes or they will be charged with a crime. Sounds like a fantastic system.
 
2012-08-01 08:40:12 AM

Babwa Wawa: People must show respect to assholes or they will be charged with a crime. Sounds like a fantastic system.


It's not like Americans thought it up. People in "authority" have been demanding this treatment since forever. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
 
2012-08-01 08:41:30 AM

Mugato: PacManDreaming: doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers...

Yep, if you just keep your mouth shut and be respectful, you'll be amazed at what you can get away with. Act like a prick to a cop and they'll be more than happy to show you who can be a bigger prick.

So cops are farking assholes then.


Assholes in control, importantly. Only an idiot would try to challenge them on what is their turf.

The place to do that is either the courtroom or your state/local legislation.
 
2012-08-01 08:44:31 AM

Babwa Wawa: People must show respect to assholes or they will be charged with a crime. Sounds like a fantastic system.


So it's your opinion that if a cop asks a person to stop doing something, and that person responds by insulting or cursing at him, the cop should just tip his hat and say "Have a nice day"?

I get that some cops are assholes, but that doesn't mean that ALL cops are assholes, or that this particular cop acted in an assholish manner.
 
2012-08-01 08:46:32 AM
We took our girls to a laundromat and to keep the girls entertained we brought a bucket of chalk with us. After awhile the owner came out and thanked the girls for making her sidewalk beautiful and eventually even supplied chalk for other kids to have something to do because everyone knows how much fun kids have at places like that.
 
2012-08-01 09:04:22 AM

Mugato: PacManDreaming: doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers...

Yep, if you just keep your mouth shut and be respectful, you'll be amazed at what you can get away with. Act like a prick to a cop and they'll be more than happy to show you who can be a bigger prick.

So cops are farking assholes then.


Yup. Where I live I'd rather watch a cop die then lift a finger to save them.
 
2012-08-01 09:05:55 AM

doglover: Eve L. Koont: doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers, respectful, and cop to the little stuff you know you done wrong and most of the time you'll get leniency. A cop tells you your kid can't draw on the rocks at a landmark, you don't tell him to go take a flying fark at a rolling donut and expect to get away scot free. You be respectful to him and mortified on behalf of your kids and pull the kid off the rocks and explain "We can't draw on these rocks, kiddo." and offer to wash it off or whatever. 99 percent of the time, that's the end of it.

Meanwhile, if you get hostile and use offensive language and you'll see just how many bullshiat laws there are on the books when you get you ass hauled in. It doesn't take much to go from citizen to perp when "Disorderly Conduct" is on the books. Even if your lawyer gets it tossed out, you still have to deal with that kind of thing. It's expensive. "Speak softly and carry a big stick." requires first speaking softly. Just remember this little verse:

"Kindness breeds blindness but biatches get stitches."

If it even went down the way the cop said it did. Cops are full of shiat just as much as us little people.

Yeah. I've been wrongfully arrested by the police. I've also been rightfully pulled over after a blatant moving violation and let off. Guess which time I was beligerant and which time I was polite.

If you wanna cool your heels in a cell, by all means place tact in the backseat and show 'em your asshole face. See how far that gets you.


Yep, that's exactly right. In college, a friend and I got really hammered one night and decided to drive across state lines (school was in a dry KY county) for more beer. My friend was driving my truck and he was pulled over doing 35 in a 25. When the cop came up, we were very polite/respectful and I told him my friend was the DD. He let us go with a warning and a "have a good night".

We got very lucky, but it helped to just be polite. Some people just don't know how to keep their mouth shut.
 
2012-08-01 09:09:41 AM
FTFA: "It is all the same thing," said James River Park Systems Park Manager, Ralph White. "A couple of weeks ago, I was covering over pornographic drawings done in chalk. It doesn't matter what the medium is. It's offensive."

Appearently not, if you have to mention it to prove a point, you dumb fark.
 
2012-08-01 09:26:09 AM

PacManDreaming: doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers...

Yep, if you just keep your mouth shut and be respectful, you'll be amazed at what you can get away with. Act like a prick to a cop and they'll be more than happy to show you who can be a bigger prick.


We had a house party when I was legal to drink but many of my friends weren't. Some of my friends were smoking weed too. Luckily I was neither drunk nor stoned when the cops showed up. All the smokers tossed their bowls in a pile outside by a bush. We were super polite to the cops the whole time. They didn't check any id's and when they found the stash of pipes they just told us to get rid of them and break the party up. One of my friends picked them up and took them away. If I had been a dick I could easily have been arrested for drug possession and supplying alcohol to minors.
 
2012-08-01 09:32:53 AM

guises: The mother told her kid to deface a bunch of rocks in a nature conservancy, then swore at the police officer when he told her to stop. Why is it that all I'm seeing are "fark the pigs" comments?

The mother made a valid point that chalk is temporary and chalk defacement shouldn't be held to the same standard as spray paint, but that doesn't make it nothing.


"Deface"
"Nature Conservancy"

That's some fine spin there
 
2012-08-01 09:34:58 AM

Zizzowop
Belle Isle? You realize this is my family land. Does it please you to rip out my ancestral roots, I was born and raised in a briar patch!


Came for the Chevy. Leaving happy.

But on a side note, shame on the politicians who made using chalk on the rocks a crime. Forget about how the lady treated the cop, using chalk on a sidewalk is a crime. That's right get the children used to having cops tell them what to do early on so they won't rebel later.
 
2012-08-01 09:35:24 AM

Mugato: PacManDreaming: doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers...

Yep, if you just keep your mouth shut and be respectful, you'll be amazed at what you can get away with. Act like a prick to a cop and they'll be more than happy to show you who can be a bigger prick.

So cops are farking assholes then.


Absolutely.

/Former LEO
// Still an Ahole.
 
2012-08-01 09:45:23 AM

HotWingConspiracy: However, in court, the officer who reprimanded her back in March says she responded with an attitude and curse words.

That's known as free speech in this country, pig.

"A couple of weeks ago, I was covering over pornographic drawings done in chalk. It doesn't matter what the medium is. It's offensive."

They were "covering over" chalk? Is everyone in this town retarded?


I'm on the YES side with that question. Being offended at porn I can understand. Being offended at a child for something as innocuous as bio-degradable chalk is stupid. Next rain? Have to find something else to be pissed about because this problem just washed away.
 
2012-08-01 09:53:16 AM
I'm ok with her getting community service for being an insufferable b*tch.

We have breezeways in our apartment buildings in lieu of being in a high rise with hallways. Our neighbor across from us let her two toddlers hang out just outside of their door and draw all over on the concrete flooring with chalk for 3 straight days until I guess a maintenance worker came across them in the act because they just stopped. That was back in April. We still have gobs of multicolored shapes and crudely written messages that make no sense in our breezeway that haven't gone away. That's what happens when you let your kids draw on everything like a day after the semi annual power washing. They've since ventured all of 10 yards away from their door and onto the sidewalk to draw. Those images don't last for more than a week.

I wish our property management just charged them extra for the cleaning or just had them go out and clean it themselves rather than all of us having to live with it. My dog still tracks in pink or blue chalk on her paws from time to time.
 
2012-08-01 09:53:52 AM

AssAsInAssassin: The derp is strong with this one:

"Even though both sides share their point-of-views..."

Try "points of view."

No hyphenization, and let's pluralize the subject of the phrase instead of the object, mmmmmkay?

Mmkay.


Attorneys General. Sounds awkward as hell but it's correct.
 
2012-08-01 09:58:56 AM

John Buck 41: AssAsInAssassin: The derp is strong with this one:

"Even though both sides share their point-of-views..."

Try "points of view."

No hyphenization, and let's pluralize the subject of the phrase instead of the object, mmmmmkay?

Mmkay.

Attorneys General. Sounds awkward as hell but it's correct.


Brothers-in-law
 
2012-08-01 09:59:58 AM

John Buck 41: AssAsInAssassin: The derp is strong with this one:

"Even though both sides share their point-of-views..."

Try "points of view."

No hyphenization, and let's pluralize the subject of the phrase instead of the object, mmmmmkay?

Mmkay.

Attorneys General. Sounds awkward as hell but it's correct.


Culs-de-sac. Though that one is usually hyphenated.
 
2012-08-01 10:03:47 AM

Mugato: So cops are farking assholes then.


Most of the police I've ever had to deal with were nothing but professional and courteous. Then again, I'm always courteous to them.

But...if you're an asshole to them, don't be surprised if they out-asshole you.
 
2012-08-01 10:05:30 AM

Mugato: PacManDreaming: doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers...

Yep, if you just keep your mouth shut and be respectful, you'll be amazed at what you can get away with. Act like a prick to a cop and they'll be more than happy to show you who can be a bigger prick.

So cops are farking assholes then.


Really, this is your takeaway?

We are doomed.
 
2012-08-01 10:20:05 AM

Babwa Wawa: People must show respect to assholes or they will be charged with a crime. Sounds like a fantastic system.


So, you understand that the purpose of the police is to enforce laws and exert some level of control. If, through your actions, you show that you are willing to comply with the rules, usually the cops will just move on. if, through your actions, you show a disrespect for authority and a wanton disregard for the rules, the cops have no options but to escalate to enforce the rules. The whole system does not work if there is no enforcement.

Most people chafe at the idea that society has some level of control over them, and that they have to comply. It amazes me how so many people want the benefits and protection of society, but think that they are so special that no one should be the boss of them. It honestly befuddles me how normally bright people can't seem to get that.
 
2012-08-01 10:24:25 AM

Mugato: PacManDreaming: doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers...

Yep, if you just keep your mouth shut and be respectful, you'll be amazed at what you can get away with. Act like a prick to a cop and they'll be more than happy to show you who can be a bigger prick.

So cops are farking assholes then.


3.bp.blogspot.com

And let's not get started on Moms
 
2012-08-01 10:26:37 AM
"It is all the same thing," said James River Park Systems Park Manager and Regional Control Freak, Ralph White. "We can't have things that are out of the ordinary, said Ralph. Do we want anarchy? Is that where this is headed? DON'T PANIC! THERE IS NO VARIATION!

ftfm
 
2012-08-01 10:27:33 AM

ZAZ: In 2001 IBM hired somebody to run the "peace, love, and linux" ad campaign including chalk on sidewalks. Chalk on sidewalks is vandalism. Community service was not an option. Cleaning up the ads was not an option (IBM offered). The cities wanted cash to cover cleanup costs at city municipal employee pay rates. This was in SF and Cambridge. This is what happens when Democrats run every thing.


No, the idiots used spray paint.

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-04-19/tec h/ibm.guerilla.idg_1_campaign-ad s-ibm-eserver-family?_s=PM:TECH
 
2012-08-01 10:29:26 AM
"Besides," said Ralph, "she wasn't coloring within the lines. Unacceptable behavior is not tolerated in my park."
 
2012-08-01 10:31:34 AM

MycroftHolmes: Most people chafe at the idea that society has some level of control over them, and that they have to comply. It amazes me how so many people want the benefits and protection of society, but think that they are so special that no one should be the boss of them. It honestly befuddles me how normally bright people can't seem to get that.


When the people who are the boss are not even following the rules that the rest of us are expected to follow, much less the extra rules imposed on them by their position, people get angry. Are you certain that people are mad because there's a boss, and not mad because of how the boss is acting?
 
Ant
2012-08-01 10:33:44 AM

Gyrfalcon: Unfortunately, we as a society have gotten to where "Yes, sir," and "no ma'am" are just never to be said,


I can't and won't say "yes sir" or "yes ma'am" to anybody, except in jest. I don't think I could do it even to save my job if my boss demanded such treatment.
 
2012-08-01 10:38:08 AM

untaken_name: MycroftHolmes: Most people chafe at the idea that society has some level of control over them, and that they have to comply. It amazes me how so many people want the benefits and protection of society, but think that they are so special that no one should be the boss of them. It honestly befuddles me how normally bright people can't seem to get that.

When the people who are the boss are not even following the rules that the rest of us are expected to follow, much less the extra rules imposed on them by their position, people get angry. Are you certain that people are mad because there's a boss, and not mad because of how the boss is acting?


The issue gets more complex. Because of the natural bias against authority (just read this thread), authority figures develop compensatory behaviors (aggressive application of the rules, the code of silence) to protect themselves against angry civilians. The result is a dynamic that results in an even angrier civilian population, and an even more entrenched police system. But I honestly do believe that it starts with the idea that is ingrained in us from childhood that it is more important for us to be free and rebellious than it is to obey authority.

If you want an example of how things can go wrong when an authoritative body does not maintain a strict stance, look at any school system that has a weak board. You end up with a very ineffective school system with patently unfair policies that are applied unevenly.

I am not saying police do not abuse their authority. But I am saying that most people think that ANY application of their authority is an abuse. Some react very strongly to the uses of the words authority, obey, compliance, etc. Yet these are all necessary in an orderly society.
 
Ant
2012-08-01 10:41:14 AM

Hermione_Granger: Authority should never be respected just for authority's sake. Abuse of authority should never be accepted or respected.


This.

And you who are saying "just kiss the cop's ass" are not helping anything. They way to stop this shiat is to stop giving assholes a reason to expect their asses to be kissed.


/wow. that was a bunch of scatological imagery there
 
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