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2012-08-01 12:13:59 AM
This is what happens when Republicans run every thing
 
2012-08-01 12:16:37 AM

cretinbob: This is what happens when Republicans run every thing


Meh. This sort of stupidity is sadly bipartisan.
 
2012-08-01 12:30:51 AM
All you have to do is be really nice to officers, respectful, and cop to the little stuff you know you done wrong and most of the time you'll get leniency. A cop tells you your kid can't draw on the rocks at a landmark, you don't tell him to go take a flying fark at a rolling donut and expect to get away scot free. You be respectful to him and mortified on behalf of your kids and pull the kid off the rocks and explain "We can't draw on these rocks, kiddo." and offer to wash it off or whatever. 99 percent of the time, that's the end of it.

Meanwhile, if you get hostile and use offensive language and you'll see just how many bullshiat laws there are on the books when you get you ass hauled in. It doesn't take much to go from citizen to perp when "Disorderly Conduct" is on the books. Even if your lawyer gets it tossed out, you still have to deal with that kind of thing. It's expensive. "Speak softly and carry a big stick." requires first speaking softly. Just remember this little verse:

"Kindness breeds blindness but biatches get stitches."
 
2012-08-01 12:35:44 AM
Exactly what Doglover said.
 
2012-08-01 01:27:18 AM

doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers...


Yep, if you just keep your mouth shut and be respectful, you'll be amazed at what you can get away with. Act like a prick to a cop and they'll be more than happy to show you who can be a bigger prick.
 
2012-08-01 01:58:30 AM

PacManDreaming: doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers...

Yep, if you just keep your mouth shut and be respectful, you'll be amazed at what you can get away with. Act like a prick to a cop and they'll be more than happy to show you who can be a bigger prick.


So cops are farking assholes then.
 
2012-08-01 02:09:51 AM
I need more details before I get outraged. Were there petroglyph in the area? What was the significance of the rocks the kid drew on? A lot of places that wouldn't matter, but some places it absolutely does.
 
2012-08-01 02:13:56 AM

Mugato: PacManDreaming: doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers...

Yep, if you just keep your mouth shut and be respectful, you'll be amazed at what you can get away with. Act like a prick to a cop and they'll be more than happy to show you who can be a bigger prick.

So cops are farking assholes then.


Actually, cops are just people. If you can connect, you have 'em.

Go up to any stranger and be a total dick. See how often you get what you want. (koff koff Adam Carolla koff)

Now, try the opposite tact. Be very nice and understanding. See how often you get what you want. (koff koff Jimmy Kimmel koff)
 
2012-08-01 03:38:42 AM

doglover: Mugato: PacManDreaming: doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers...

Yep, if you just keep your mouth shut and be respectful, you'll be amazed at what you can get away with. Act like a prick to a cop and they'll be more than happy to show you who can be a bigger prick.

So cops are farking assholes then.

Actually, cops are just people. If you can connect, you have 'em.

Go up to any stranger and be a total dick. See how often you get what you want. (koff koff Adam Carolla koff)

Now, try the opposite tact. Be very nice and understanding. See how often you get what you want. (koff koff Jimmy Kimmel koff)


Except when a cop gets his little feelings hurt, people get tazed, shot, and/or go to jail. It's not the same as being rude to a waiter.
 
2012-08-01 03:55:09 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: doglover: Mugato: PacManDreaming: doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers...

Yep, if you just keep your mouth shut and be respectful, you'll be amazed at what you can get away with. Act like a prick to a cop and they'll be more than happy to show you who can be a bigger prick.

So cops are farking assholes then.

Actually, cops are just people. If you can connect, you have 'em.

Go up to any stranger and be a total dick. See how often you get what you want. (koff koff Adam Carolla koff)

Now, try the opposite tact. Be very nice and understanding. See how often you get what you want. (koff koff Jimmy Kimmel koff)

Except when a cop gets his little feelings hurt, people get tazed, shot, and/or go to jail. It's not the same as being rude to a waiter.


Not always.
 
2012-08-01 03:55:31 AM
I've gotten out of a few sticky situations just by being polite and respectful. YMMV, I suppose.
 
2012-08-01 03:55:51 AM
Oh boy is this the hourly Cop hate thread where everyone goes all internet tough guy and talk about how much they want to kill cops?
 
2012-08-01 03:57:06 AM
Should have tased them both, shot a minority, and then called it a day!
 
2012-08-01 03:58:04 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Except when a cop gets his little feelings hurt, people get tazed, shot, and/or go to jail. It's not the same as being rude to a waiter.


jamblichus.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-01 04:00:00 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: doglover: Mugato: PacManDreaming: doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers...

Yep, if you just keep your mouth shut and be respectful, you'll be amazed at what you can get away with. Act like a prick to a cop and they'll be more than happy to show you who can be a bigger prick.

So cops are farking assholes then.

Actually, cops are just people. If you can connect, you have 'em.

Go up to any stranger and be a total dick. See how often you get what you want. (koff koff Adam Carolla koff)

Now, try the opposite tact. Be very nice and understanding. See how often you get what you want. (koff koff Jimmy Kimmel koff)

Except when a cop gets his little feelings hurt, people get tazed, shot, and/or go to jail. It's not the same as being rude to a waiter.


Which is why it's smarter to say "Sorry sir, we didn't know." rather than "fark you, pig, I smell bacon haw haw." It always pays to be nicer to people anyway, even if you think they're assholes in private.

Besides, it's all shades of grey anyway. The cops here in China don't carry guns or tazers, and most of them look like old men wearing ill-fitting shirts, watching TV all day in their little police huts- but you fark up REAL bad, they don't take care of it- they call someone else, and then a bunch of laborers pull your ass into a van and teach you not to step out of line. THEN the police take care of you. At least in the US cops are SOMEWHAT accountable.
 
2012-08-01 04:03:35 AM
needs a FAIR tag.

She brought the chaulk in... kids are pro
Went off on everything but the chalk.
...
volunteer (aka, community service...
....
enter your kids in an outdoor chalk festival

profit
 
2012-08-01 04:05:15 AM
Look, people, we're talking about a city park, here, not some place to play.
 
2012-08-01 04:05:21 AM

SilentStrider: cretinbob: This is what happens when Republicans run every thing

Meh. This sort of stupidity is sadly bipartisan.


so vote Republican.
 
2012-08-01 04:08:32 AM

"Mortensen has since then apologized. She's agreed to complete 50 hours of community service through the James River Park System.

Mortensen will have to paint about 200 boundary posts west and east of the Boulevard Bridge. Before she even starts, she'll have to scrape off the old paint and remove surrounding weeds. "


All for a chalk drawing, which the James River Park Systems Park Manager tries to equate with pornography by his example. No sense of proportion. It wasn't like the kid was scribbling everywhere with a permanent marker.

 
2012-08-01 04:09:58 AM
The mother told her kid to deface a bunch of rocks in a nature conservancy, then swore at the police officer when he told her to stop. Why is it that all I'm seeing are "fark the pigs" comments?

The mother made a valid point that chalk is temporary and chalk defacement shouldn't be held to the same standard as spray paint, but that doesn't make it nothing.
 
2012-08-01 04:13:44 AM
Belle Isle? You realize this is my family land. Does it please you to rip out my ancestral roots, I was born and raised in a briar patch!

farm8.staticflickr.com
 
2012-08-01 04:14:00 AM
The park ranger or whatever the fark he is, is a little douchebag and my vote is for people to take the law into their own hands, find the bastard and drag him through the streets.
 
2012-08-01 04:16:30 AM

doglover: Go up to any stranger and be a total dick. See how often you get what you want.


Well, according to some people, it's perfectly acceptable for a cop to do that.
 
2012-08-01 04:17:39 AM

JerkyMeat: The park ranger or whatever the fark he is, is a little douchebag and my vote is for people to take the law into their own hands, find the bastard and drag him through the streets.


Called it!
 
2012-08-01 04:19:16 AM
"It is all the same thing," said James River Park Systems Park Manager, Ralph White. "A couple of weeks ago, I was covering over pornographic drawings done in chalk. It doesn't matter what the medium is. It's offensive."


By "covering over" you mean spraying with a hose, you imbecilic doucebag?
 
2012-08-01 04:26:02 AM

puffy999: doglover: Go up to any stranger and be a total dick. See how often you get what you want.

Well, according to some people, it's perfectly acceptable for a cop to do that.


What I cannot fathom is the people who will look you in the eye and tell you that a cop deserves more respect than any other citizen. They do not. They are citizens and not above you or me in any way. They may have authority to detain or conduct other activities, but they have no right to expect any bowing and scraping than the guy who brought me my chicken sandwich at the drivethrough for lunch today. I will be equally polite to both.

The reason police are out of control in this country is that too many cowards put them on pedestals. Maybe its to make it easier to fellate them.
 
2012-08-01 04:26:11 AM
FTA - "Back in 2010, court documents show the same officer issued Mortensen a summons for destruction of property on Belle Isle."

Anybody else notice this?

Not a cop apologists... but this chick sounds like an entitled asshat.
 
2012-08-01 04:26:26 AM
Once again, we prove that America is a bastion of freedom and opportunity that other countries should strive to emulate.

/Virginia. Why am I not surprised.
 
2012-08-01 04:29:07 AM

doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers, respectful, and cop to the little stuff you know you done wrong and most of the time you'll get leniency.


ts1.mm.bing.net

Yes sir, I now realize that I should have promptly picked up that can. I'm sorry for troubling you, officer.
 
2012-08-01 04:31:32 AM
"People called 'romanes', they go... the house?"
 
2012-08-01 04:36:28 AM

Cyclometh: "It is all the same thing," said James River Park Systems Park Manager, Ralph White. "A couple of weeks ago, I was covering over pornographic drawings done in chalk. It doesn't matter what the medium is. It's offensive."


By "covering over" you mean spraying with a hose, you imbecilic doucebag?


I also noticed this. "covering over" with what? did you paint over chalk you tard?
 
2012-08-01 04:38:42 AM
The park in question's facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/jamesriverpark
 
Skr
2012-08-01 04:40:35 AM
Well I understand it if it is a historical place in the public view. From the headline alone I had assumed the article was going to be about gestapo HOA twits nuking a lady from orbit.
 
2012-08-01 04:51:23 AM

Mugato: PacManDreaming: doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers...

Yep, if you just keep your mouth shut and be respectful, you'll be amazed at what you can get away with. Act like a prick to a cop and they'll be more than happy to show you who can be a bigger prick.

So cops are farking assholes then.


They had a saying in the Gulag, which is appropriate here: "If they're not f*cking you, don't like down and ask for it."

Yes, cops are assholes; but that doesn't mean you need to get into a pissing match with one to see who will win. Protip: It will ALWAYS be the one with the gun, badge, and six other cops on speeddial.
 
2012-08-01 04:53:25 AM
No Chapelle references yet?
 
2012-08-01 04:54:46 AM
sounds reasonable.
 
2012-08-01 04:54:55 AM
yourfunnystuff.com
 
2012-08-01 04:58:36 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: doglover: Mugato: PacManDreaming: doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers...

Yep, if you just keep your mouth shut and be respectful, you'll be amazed at what you can get away with. Act like a prick to a cop and they'll be more than happy to show you who can be a bigger prick.

So cops are farking assholes then.

Actually, cops are just people. If you can connect, you have 'em.

Go up to any stranger and be a total dick. See how often you get what you want. (koff koff Adam Carolla koff)

Now, try the opposite tact. Be very nice and understanding. See how often you get what you want. (koff koff Jimmy Kimmel koff)

Except when a cop gets his little feelings hurt, people get tazed, shot, and/or go to jail. It's not the same as being rude to a waiter.


Be rude to a waiter, get lousy service and "extras" in your grub forever at that restaurant and lose the respect of your date? No thanks.
 
2012-08-01 04:59:22 AM

doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers, respectful, and cop to the little stuff you know you done wrong and most of the time you'll get leniency. A cop tells you your kid can't draw on the rocks at a landmark, you don't tell him to go take a flying fark at a rolling donut and expect to get away scot free. You be respectful to him and mortified on behalf of your kids and pull the kid off the rocks and explain "We can't draw on these rocks, kiddo." and offer to wash it off or whatever. 99 percent of the time, that's the end of it.

Meanwhile, if you get hostile and use offensive language and you'll see just how many bullshiat laws there are on the books when you get you ass hauled in. It doesn't take much to go from citizen to perp when "Disorderly Conduct" is on the books. Even if your lawyer gets it tossed out, you still have to deal with that kind of thing. It's expensive. "Speak softly and carry a big stick." requires first speaking softly. Just remember this little verse:

"Kindness breeds blindness but biatches get stitches."


If it even went down the way the cop said it did. Cops are full of shiat just as much as us little people.
 
2012-08-01 05:00:10 AM

puffy999: doglover: Go up to any stranger and be a total dick. See how often you get what you want.

Well, according to some people, it's perfectly acceptable for a cop to do that.


If the cop's a dick, he or she's baiting you. Just like not cops. They want a fight. Disarm them with kindness.
 
2012-08-01 05:06:11 AM

puffy999: doglover: Go up to any stranger and be a total dick. See how often you get what you want.

Well, according to some people, it's perfectly acceptable for a cop to do that.


And according to SOME people, it's unacceptable for ANYBODY to be a rude dick. Cop or civilian.

Unfortunately, we as a society have gotten to where "Yes, sir," and "no ma'am" are just never to be said, if "F*ck you cocksucker" could be used instead. Regardless of which side of the badge you are on.
 
2012-08-01 05:13:40 AM

Gyrfalcon: Unfortunately, we as a society have gotten to where "Yes, sir," and "no ma'am" are just never to be said, if "F*ck you cocksucker" could be used instead. Regardless of which side of the badge you are on.


I don't want to open a can of worm here, but even as a nonreligious person I think the shaming mechanisms inherent in widespread religious adherence had some beneficial effects. One of them was politeness. As we deconstruct our religious heritage, we may be throwing the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak.
 
2012-08-01 05:26:54 AM

JerkyMeat: The park ranger or whatever the fark he is, is a little douchebag and my vote is for people to take the law into their own hands, find the bastard and drag him through the streets.


word around the woods has it that Yogi Bear has prepared a very special picnic basket for Ranger Rick, if you know what i mean Boo-boo
 
2012-08-01 05:33:32 AM

Eve L. Koont: doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers, respectful, and cop to the little stuff you know you done wrong and most of the time you'll get leniency. A cop tells you your kid can't draw on the rocks at a landmark, you don't tell him to go take a flying fark at a rolling donut and expect to get away scot free. You be respectful to him and mortified on behalf of your kids and pull the kid off the rocks and explain "We can't draw on these rocks, kiddo." and offer to wash it off or whatever. 99 percent of the time, that's the end of it.

Meanwhile, if you get hostile and use offensive language and you'll see just how many bullshiat laws there are on the books when you get you ass hauled in. It doesn't take much to go from citizen to perp when "Disorderly Conduct" is on the books. Even if your lawyer gets it tossed out, you still have to deal with that kind of thing. It's expensive. "Speak softly and carry a big stick." requires first speaking softly. Just remember this little verse:

"Kindness breeds blindness but biatches get stitches."

If it even went down the way the cop said it did. Cops are full of shiat just as much as us little people.


Yeah. I've been wrongfully arrested by the police. I've also been rightfully pulled over after a blatant moving violation and let off. Guess which time I was beligerant and which time I was polite.

If you wanna cool your heels in a cell, by all means place tact in the backseat and show 'em your asshole face. See how far that gets you.
 
2012-08-01 05:46:28 AM
thecomicninja.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-01 05:57:59 AM
"A couple of weeks ago, I was covering over pornographic drawings done in chalk. It doesn't matter what the medium is. It's offensive."

lh3.googleusercontent.com


/Some cops *are* dicks, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't kiss their ass to get out of a sticky situation
//otherwise, enjoy that arrest record. I'm sure the judge will be sympathetic.
 
2012-08-01 06:15:27 AM
www.jumbojoke.com
/Oblig.
 
2012-08-01 06:20:04 AM
That'll teach the b*i*t*c*h to control her brat!
 
2012-08-01 06:35:18 AM
She kept it real.

It went bad.
 
2012-08-01 06:39:18 AM
I'm a straight-laced, teetotaler, meek, law-abiding, conservative guy. In my limited experience with police officers, I've found that if you will be respectful, calm, and reasonable, they will in turn still be total dicks,
 
2012-08-01 07:01:54 AM

Kuroutesshin: At least in the US cops are SOMEWHAT accountable.


No kidding. I have the impression that most of the folks that whine about US police have never lived overseas. American cops have to respond to far more violent crime than most, yet can be taken to court for their actions. In many countries, nobody touches the cops, period. People are genuinely afraid of the cops.

Even here in 1st world Japan, I know people who'd refuse to say anything bad about them even on a message board, like this. I have good friends living in China and Europe that feel similarly. That's just the response to the uniformed police; these countries have large plain-clothes forces that can act with autonomy will little fear of review.

The job attracts a certain percentage of pricks; it's a given for a power-wielding position like that. However, there are checks and balances in the system that are unique, and cops can be punished.

The US has some of the nicest cops in the world. So nice, that folks can verbally harass them in person (like this chick), and still complain that they were treated badly because they didn't get away with breaking a law. Twice.
 
2012-08-01 07:06:12 AM
From the article, it sounds like the charges were mainly because she decided to mouth off to the cop.
 
2012-08-01 07:11:29 AM
However, in court, the officer who reprimanded her back in March says she responded with an attitude and curse words.

That's known as free speech in this country, pig.

"A couple of weeks ago, I was covering over pornographic drawings done in chalk. It doesn't matter what the medium is. It's offensive."

They were "covering over" chalk? Is everyone in this town retarded?
 
2012-08-01 07:15:49 AM
If you don't teach your kid boundaries they are not going too grow up well adjusted.
 
2012-08-01 07:18:57 AM
Gee, i dont know why a cop should feel like he has a right to approach a mother because her and her precious snowflake are entitled to draw on public property.

Buy her a damn coloring book and some crayons you cheap ass.
 
2012-08-01 07:23:08 AM

Slappajo: Gee, i dont know why a cop should feel like he has a right to approach a mother because she and her precious snowflake think she is entitled to draw on public property.

Buy her a damn coloring book and some crayons you cheap ass.


FTFM
 
2012-08-01 07:33:22 AM
"...the officer who reprimanded her back in March says she responded with an attitude and curse words."

I hope some of those words were "Fark you, you fascist coont, go jam a nozzle into your mongoloid arse and irrigate your shiat-filled brain."
 
2012-08-01 07:37:55 AM
The derp is strong with this one:

"Even though both sides share their point-of-views..."

Try "points of view."

No hyphenization, and let's pluralize the subject of the phrase instead of the object, mmmmmkay?

Mmkay.
 
2012-08-01 07:38:07 AM

BenJammin: If you don't teach your kid boundaries they are not going too grow up well adjusted.


If you don't teach them spelling and grammar, they are not going two get a good job.
 
2012-08-01 07:39:36 AM

PacManDreaming: doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers...

Yep, if you just keep your mouth shut and be respectful, you'll be amazed at what you can get away with. Act like a prick to a cop and they'll be more than happy to show you who can be a bigger prick.


Agreed. Can't argue with that kind of logic.

\As Wheaton might say, everyday should be "don't be a dick day"
 
2012-08-01 07:42:51 AM

guises: The mother told her kid to deface a bunch of rocks in a nature conservancy, then swore at the police officer when he told her to stop. Why is it that all I'm seeing are "fark the pigs" comments?


That didn't happen. Go back to bed. Come back when you can comment without making shiat up.
 
2012-08-01 07:46:14 AM
cretinbob

This is what happens when Republicans run every thing



Riiight. Republicans are the police state party

Police Unions to Endorse Obama/Biden
Today, the Obama-Biden campaign is holding a conference call with Senator Joe Biden to proudly announce the endorsement of the National Association of Police Organizations (NAPO).

...NAPO represents more than 2,000 police unions and associations, 238,000 sworn law enforcement officers, 11,000 retired officers...


and

Obama Beats McCain in Va....

So derpy OP, apparently this is what happens when democrats are the majority.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your whargarrrrble.
 
2012-08-01 07:47:10 AM

untaken_name: As we deconstruct our religious heritage


That's not what "deconstruct" means.
 
2012-08-01 07:54:40 AM

AssAsInAssassin: untaken_name: As we deconstruct our religious heritage

That's not what "deconstruct" means.


Yeah, I meant to write "destroy" there. Not sure where "deconstruct" came from, as we're not examining it in detail, we're jettisoning it. Thank you for pointing that out, I (obviously) didn't notice it on preview.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-08-01 07:56:48 AM
In 2001 IBM hired somebody to run the "peace, love, and linux" ad campaign including chalk on sidewalks. Chalk on sidewalks is vandalism. Community service was not an option. Cleaning up the ads was not an option (IBM offered). The cities wanted cash to cover cleanup costs at city municipal employee pay rates. This was in SF and Cambridge. This is what happens when Democrats run every thing.
 
2012-08-01 08:01:43 AM
fark that. Cops are just assholes regardless. Even if you're angry, you do NOT deserve to be arrested, cited or charged. There is no law against being angry or showing it.

If you can't deal with a reasonably angry person, you shouldn't be a cop. And cops should be punished for arresting otherwise orderly citizens for the crime of "being mad" or even cursing. I find it despicable and disheartening that so many of you think it's perfectly ok for cops to be so overzealous.

Authority should never be respected just for authority's sake. Abuse of authority should never be accepted or respected.
 
2012-08-01 08:05:29 AM

eajc4f:
The US has some of the nicest cops in the world. So nice, that folks can verbally harass them in person (like this chick), and still complain that they were treated badly because they didn't get away with breaking a law. Twice.


Meet some British, Australian, and New Zealand cops - I suspect your calibration of "nice" is busted.
 
2012-08-01 08:10:24 AM

doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers, respectful, and cop to the little stuff you know you done wrong and most of the time you'll get leniency. A cop tells you your kid can't draw on the rocks at a landmark, you don't tell him to go take a flying fark at a rolling donut and expect to get away scot free. You be respectful to him and mortified on behalf of your kids and pull the kid off the rocks and explain "We can't draw on these rocks, kiddo." and offer to wash it off or whatever. 99 percent of the time, that's the end of it.

Meanwhile, if you get hostile and use offensive language and you'll see just how many bullshiat laws there are on the books when you get you ass hauled in. It doesn't take much to go from citizen to perp when "Disorderly Conduct" is on the books. Even if your lawyer gets it tossed out, you still have to deal with that kind of thing. It's expensive. "Speak softly and carry a big stick." requires first speaking softly. Just remember this little verse:

"Kindness breeds blindness but biatches get stitches."


fark YOU
 
2012-08-01 08:19:53 AM
Just another way for the Government to use their citizens as slave labor
 
2012-08-01 08:19:59 AM
Back in 2010, court documents show the same officer issued Mortensen a summons for destruction of property on Belle Isle.

How odd. News outlet includes backstory.
bravo
 
2012-08-01 08:32:31 AM

cretinbob: This is what happens when Republicans run every thing


fark off troll.
 
2012-08-01 08:34:24 AM

doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers, respectful, and cop to the little stuff you know you done wrong and most of the time you'll get leniency. A cop tells you your kid can't draw on the rocks at a landmark, you don't tell him to go take a flying fark at a rolling donut and expect to get away scot free. You be respectful to him and mortified on behalf of your kids and pull the kid off the rocks and explain "We can't draw on these rocks, kiddo." and offer to wash it off or whatever. 99 percent of the time, that's the end of it.

Meanwhile, if you get hostile and use offensive language and you'll see just how many bullshiat laws there are on the books when you get you ass hauled in. It doesn't take much to go from citizen to perp when "Disorderly Conduct" is on the books. Even if your lawyer gets it tossed out, you still have to deal with that kind of thing. It's expensive. "Speak softly and carry a big stick." requires first speaking softly. Just remember this little verse:

"Kindness breeds blindness but biatches get stitches."


So basically, she got community service for being a coont. I'm ok with this.
 
2012-08-01 08:38:24 AM

doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers, respectful, and cop to the little stuff you know you done wrong and most of the time you'll get leniency. A cop tells you your kid can't draw on the rocks at a landmark, you don't tell him to go take a flying fark at a rolling donut and expect to get away scot free. You be respectful to him and mortified on behalf of your kids and pull the kid off the rocks and explain "We can't draw on these rocks, kiddo." and offer to wash it off or whatever. 99 percent of the time, that's the end of it.

Meanwhile, if you get hostile and use offensive language and you'll see just how many bullshiat laws there are on the books when you get you ass hauled in. It doesn't take much to go from citizen to perp when "Disorderly Conduct" is on the books. Even if your lawyer gets it tossed out, you still have to deal with that kind of thing. It's expensive. "Speak softly and carry a big stick." requires first speaking softly. Just remember this little verse:

"Kindness breeds blindness but biatches get stitches."


People must show respect to assholes or they will be charged with a crime. Sounds like a fantastic system.
 
2012-08-01 08:40:12 AM

Babwa Wawa: People must show respect to assholes or they will be charged with a crime. Sounds like a fantastic system.


It's not like Americans thought it up. People in "authority" have been demanding this treatment since forever. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
 
2012-08-01 08:41:30 AM

Mugato: PacManDreaming: doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers...

Yep, if you just keep your mouth shut and be respectful, you'll be amazed at what you can get away with. Act like a prick to a cop and they'll be more than happy to show you who can be a bigger prick.

So cops are farking assholes then.


Assholes in control, importantly. Only an idiot would try to challenge them on what is their turf.

The place to do that is either the courtroom or your state/local legislation.
 
2012-08-01 08:44:31 AM

Babwa Wawa: People must show respect to assholes or they will be charged with a crime. Sounds like a fantastic system.


So it's your opinion that if a cop asks a person to stop doing something, and that person responds by insulting or cursing at him, the cop should just tip his hat and say "Have a nice day"?

I get that some cops are assholes, but that doesn't mean that ALL cops are assholes, or that this particular cop acted in an assholish manner.
 
2012-08-01 08:46:32 AM
We took our girls to a laundromat and to keep the girls entertained we brought a bucket of chalk with us. After awhile the owner came out and thanked the girls for making her sidewalk beautiful and eventually even supplied chalk for other kids to have something to do because everyone knows how much fun kids have at places like that.
 
2012-08-01 09:04:22 AM

Mugato: PacManDreaming: doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers...

Yep, if you just keep your mouth shut and be respectful, you'll be amazed at what you can get away with. Act like a prick to a cop and they'll be more than happy to show you who can be a bigger prick.

So cops are farking assholes then.


Yup. Where I live I'd rather watch a cop die then lift a finger to save them.
 
2012-08-01 09:05:55 AM

doglover: Eve L. Koont: doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers, respectful, and cop to the little stuff you know you done wrong and most of the time you'll get leniency. A cop tells you your kid can't draw on the rocks at a landmark, you don't tell him to go take a flying fark at a rolling donut and expect to get away scot free. You be respectful to him and mortified on behalf of your kids and pull the kid off the rocks and explain "We can't draw on these rocks, kiddo." and offer to wash it off or whatever. 99 percent of the time, that's the end of it.

Meanwhile, if you get hostile and use offensive language and you'll see just how many bullshiat laws there are on the books when you get you ass hauled in. It doesn't take much to go from citizen to perp when "Disorderly Conduct" is on the books. Even if your lawyer gets it tossed out, you still have to deal with that kind of thing. It's expensive. "Speak softly and carry a big stick." requires first speaking softly. Just remember this little verse:

"Kindness breeds blindness but biatches get stitches."

If it even went down the way the cop said it did. Cops are full of shiat just as much as us little people.

Yeah. I've been wrongfully arrested by the police. I've also been rightfully pulled over after a blatant moving violation and let off. Guess which time I was beligerant and which time I was polite.

If you wanna cool your heels in a cell, by all means place tact in the backseat and show 'em your asshole face. See how far that gets you.


Yep, that's exactly right. In college, a friend and I got really hammered one night and decided to drive across state lines (school was in a dry KY county) for more beer. My friend was driving my truck and he was pulled over doing 35 in a 25. When the cop came up, we were very polite/respectful and I told him my friend was the DD. He let us go with a warning and a "have a good night".

We got very lucky, but it helped to just be polite. Some people just don't know how to keep their mouth shut.
 
2012-08-01 09:09:41 AM
FTFA: "It is all the same thing," said James River Park Systems Park Manager, Ralph White. "A couple of weeks ago, I was covering over pornographic drawings done in chalk. It doesn't matter what the medium is. It's offensive."

Appearently not, if you have to mention it to prove a point, you dumb fark.
 
2012-08-01 09:26:09 AM

PacManDreaming: doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers...

Yep, if you just keep your mouth shut and be respectful, you'll be amazed at what you can get away with. Act like a prick to a cop and they'll be more than happy to show you who can be a bigger prick.


We had a house party when I was legal to drink but many of my friends weren't. Some of my friends were smoking weed too. Luckily I was neither drunk nor stoned when the cops showed up. All the smokers tossed their bowls in a pile outside by a bush. We were super polite to the cops the whole time. They didn't check any id's and when they found the stash of pipes they just told us to get rid of them and break the party up. One of my friends picked them up and took them away. If I had been a dick I could easily have been arrested for drug possession and supplying alcohol to minors.
 
2012-08-01 09:32:53 AM

guises: The mother told her kid to deface a bunch of rocks in a nature conservancy, then swore at the police officer when he told her to stop. Why is it that all I'm seeing are "fark the pigs" comments?

The mother made a valid point that chalk is temporary and chalk defacement shouldn't be held to the same standard as spray paint, but that doesn't make it nothing.


"Deface"
"Nature Conservancy"

That's some fine spin there
 
2012-08-01 09:34:58 AM

Zizzowop
Belle Isle? You realize this is my family land. Does it please you to rip out my ancestral roots, I was born and raised in a briar patch!


Came for the Chevy. Leaving happy.

But on a side note, shame on the politicians who made using chalk on the rocks a crime. Forget about how the lady treated the cop, using chalk on a sidewalk is a crime. That's right get the children used to having cops tell them what to do early on so they won't rebel later.
 
2012-08-01 09:35:24 AM

Mugato: PacManDreaming: doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers...

Yep, if you just keep your mouth shut and be respectful, you'll be amazed at what you can get away with. Act like a prick to a cop and they'll be more than happy to show you who can be a bigger prick.

So cops are farking assholes then.


Absolutely.

/Former LEO
// Still an Ahole.
 
2012-08-01 09:45:23 AM

HotWingConspiracy: However, in court, the officer who reprimanded her back in March says she responded with an attitude and curse words.

That's known as free speech in this country, pig.

"A couple of weeks ago, I was covering over pornographic drawings done in chalk. It doesn't matter what the medium is. It's offensive."

They were "covering over" chalk? Is everyone in this town retarded?


I'm on the YES side with that question. Being offended at porn I can understand. Being offended at a child for something as innocuous as bio-degradable chalk is stupid. Next rain? Have to find something else to be pissed about because this problem just washed away.
 
2012-08-01 09:53:16 AM
I'm ok with her getting community service for being an insufferable b*tch.

We have breezeways in our apartment buildings in lieu of being in a high rise with hallways. Our neighbor across from us let her two toddlers hang out just outside of their door and draw all over on the concrete flooring with chalk for 3 straight days until I guess a maintenance worker came across them in the act because they just stopped. That was back in April. We still have gobs of multicolored shapes and crudely written messages that make no sense in our breezeway that haven't gone away. That's what happens when you let your kids draw on everything like a day after the semi annual power washing. They've since ventured all of 10 yards away from their door and onto the sidewalk to draw. Those images don't last for more than a week.

I wish our property management just charged them extra for the cleaning or just had them go out and clean it themselves rather than all of us having to live with it. My dog still tracks in pink or blue chalk on her paws from time to time.
 
2012-08-01 09:53:52 AM

AssAsInAssassin: The derp is strong with this one:

"Even though both sides share their point-of-views..."

Try "points of view."

No hyphenization, and let's pluralize the subject of the phrase instead of the object, mmmmmkay?

Mmkay.


Attorneys General. Sounds awkward as hell but it's correct.
 
2012-08-01 09:58:56 AM

John Buck 41: AssAsInAssassin: The derp is strong with this one:

"Even though both sides share their point-of-views..."

Try "points of view."

No hyphenization, and let's pluralize the subject of the phrase instead of the object, mmmmmkay?

Mmkay.

Attorneys General. Sounds awkward as hell but it's correct.


Brothers-in-law
 
2012-08-01 09:59:58 AM

John Buck 41: AssAsInAssassin: The derp is strong with this one:

"Even though both sides share their point-of-views..."

Try "points of view."

No hyphenization, and let's pluralize the subject of the phrase instead of the object, mmmmmkay?

Mmkay.

Attorneys General. Sounds awkward as hell but it's correct.


Culs-de-sac. Though that one is usually hyphenated.
 
2012-08-01 10:03:47 AM

Mugato: So cops are farking assholes then.


Most of the police I've ever had to deal with were nothing but professional and courteous. Then again, I'm always courteous to them.

But...if you're an asshole to them, don't be surprised if they out-asshole you.
 
2012-08-01 10:05:30 AM

Mugato: PacManDreaming: doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers...

Yep, if you just keep your mouth shut and be respectful, you'll be amazed at what you can get away with. Act like a prick to a cop and they'll be more than happy to show you who can be a bigger prick.

So cops are farking assholes then.


Really, this is your takeaway?

We are doomed.
 
2012-08-01 10:20:05 AM

Babwa Wawa: People must show respect to assholes or they will be charged with a crime. Sounds like a fantastic system.


So, you understand that the purpose of the police is to enforce laws and exert some level of control. If, through your actions, you show that you are willing to comply with the rules, usually the cops will just move on. if, through your actions, you show a disrespect for authority and a wanton disregard for the rules, the cops have no options but to escalate to enforce the rules. The whole system does not work if there is no enforcement.

Most people chafe at the idea that society has some level of control over them, and that they have to comply. It amazes me how so many people want the benefits and protection of society, but think that they are so special that no one should be the boss of them. It honestly befuddles me how normally bright people can't seem to get that.
 
2012-08-01 10:24:25 AM

Mugato: PacManDreaming: doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers...

Yep, if you just keep your mouth shut and be respectful, you'll be amazed at what you can get away with. Act like a prick to a cop and they'll be more than happy to show you who can be a bigger prick.

So cops are farking assholes then.


3.bp.blogspot.com

And let's not get started on Moms
 
2012-08-01 10:26:37 AM
"It is all the same thing," said James River Park Systems Park Manager and Regional Control Freak, Ralph White. "We can't have things that are out of the ordinary, said Ralph. Do we want anarchy? Is that where this is headed? DON'T PANIC! THERE IS NO VARIATION!

ftfm
 
2012-08-01 10:27:33 AM

ZAZ: In 2001 IBM hired somebody to run the "peace, love, and linux" ad campaign including chalk on sidewalks. Chalk on sidewalks is vandalism. Community service was not an option. Cleaning up the ads was not an option (IBM offered). The cities wanted cash to cover cleanup costs at city municipal employee pay rates. This was in SF and Cambridge. This is what happens when Democrats run every thing.


No, the idiots used spray paint.

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-04-19/tec h/ibm.guerilla.idg_1_campaign-ad s-ibm-eserver-family?_s=PM:TECH
 
2012-08-01 10:29:26 AM
"Besides," said Ralph, "she wasn't coloring within the lines. Unacceptable behavior is not tolerated in my park."
 
2012-08-01 10:31:34 AM

MycroftHolmes: Most people chafe at the idea that society has some level of control over them, and that they have to comply. It amazes me how so many people want the benefits and protection of society, but think that they are so special that no one should be the boss of them. It honestly befuddles me how normally bright people can't seem to get that.


When the people who are the boss are not even following the rules that the rest of us are expected to follow, much less the extra rules imposed on them by their position, people get angry. Are you certain that people are mad because there's a boss, and not mad because of how the boss is acting?
 
Ant
2012-08-01 10:33:44 AM

Gyrfalcon: Unfortunately, we as a society have gotten to where "Yes, sir," and "no ma'am" are just never to be said,


I can't and won't say "yes sir" or "yes ma'am" to anybody, except in jest. I don't think I could do it even to save my job if my boss demanded such treatment.
 
2012-08-01 10:38:08 AM

untaken_name: MycroftHolmes: Most people chafe at the idea that society has some level of control over them, and that they have to comply. It amazes me how so many people want the benefits and protection of society, but think that they are so special that no one should be the boss of them. It honestly befuddles me how normally bright people can't seem to get that.

When the people who are the boss are not even following the rules that the rest of us are expected to follow, much less the extra rules imposed on them by their position, people get angry. Are you certain that people are mad because there's a boss, and not mad because of how the boss is acting?


The issue gets more complex. Because of the natural bias against authority (just read this thread), authority figures develop compensatory behaviors (aggressive application of the rules, the code of silence) to protect themselves against angry civilians. The result is a dynamic that results in an even angrier civilian population, and an even more entrenched police system. But I honestly do believe that it starts with the idea that is ingrained in us from childhood that it is more important for us to be free and rebellious than it is to obey authority.

If you want an example of how things can go wrong when an authoritative body does not maintain a strict stance, look at any school system that has a weak board. You end up with a very ineffective school system with patently unfair policies that are applied unevenly.

I am not saying police do not abuse their authority. But I am saying that most people think that ANY application of their authority is an abuse. Some react very strongly to the uses of the words authority, obey, compliance, etc. Yet these are all necessary in an orderly society.
 
Ant
2012-08-01 10:41:14 AM

Hermione_Granger: Authority should never be respected just for authority's sake. Abuse of authority should never be accepted or respected.


This.

And you who are saying "just kiss the cop's ass" are not helping anything. They way to stop this shiat is to stop giving assholes a reason to expect their asses to be kissed.


/wow. that was a bunch of scatological imagery there
 
2012-08-01 10:49:03 AM

MycroftHolmes: Yet these are all necessary in an orderly society.


I agree with you. I think where we differ is in the amount necessary. I would accept a reduction in benefits for a similar reduction in regulation, but that is increasingly less possible in today's world. I fear that at the end of the spiral you describe is a situation where all of us share in the burdens of an overly-authoritarian society with few benefits. And there are fewer ways to opt out than even a century ago, and those loopholes are being closed all the time. I certainly don't expect that anyone should receive benefits without accompanying responsibilities, but neither should the opposite occur. There's historically been a societal cycle between the extremes of lawlessness and tyranny, and I don't like where I perceive our society to be in that cycle. That's just my opinion.
 
Ant
2012-08-01 10:51:26 AM

KatjaMouse: We have breezeways in our apartment buildings in lieu of being in a high rise with hallways. Our neighbor across from us let her two toddlers hang out just outside of their door and draw all over on the concrete flooring with chalk for 3 straight days until I guess a maintenance worker came across them in the act because they just stopped. That was back in April. We still have gobs of multicolored shapes and crudely written messages that make no sense in our breezeway that haven't gone away.


Oh no! Not multicolored shapes on concrete! That's the worst thing ever!!!
 
2012-08-01 11:02:25 AM

untaken_name: MycroftHolmes: Yet these are all necessary in an orderly society.

I agree with you. I think where we differ is in the amount necessary. I would accept a reduction in benefits for a similar reduction in regulation, but that is increasingly less possible in today's world. I fear that at the end of the spiral you describe is a situation where all of us share in the burdens of an overly-authoritarian society with few benefits. And there are fewer ways to opt out than even a century ago, and those loopholes are being closed all the time. I certainly don't expect that anyone should receive benefits without accompanying responsibilities, but neither should the opposite occur. There's historically been a societal cycle between the extremes of lawlessness and tyranny, and I don't like where I perceive our society to be in that cycle. That's just my opinion.


While you may be ok with less authority and less govenrmental support (as am I), it does not seem that this is the consensus. Maybe more than ever, we see, through politics, lawsuits, and public sentiment, a growing sentiment that we should be taken care of and not be responsible for our actions or outcomes. This cannot happen without a corresponding increase in authority and control.
 
2012-08-01 11:04:33 AM

OnlyM3: cretinbob

This is what happens when Republicans run every thing


Riiight. Republicans are the police state party

Police Unions to Endorse Obama/Biden
Today, the Obama-Biden campaign is holding a conference call with Senator Joe Biden to proudly announce the endorsement of the National Association of Police Organizations (NAPO).

...NAPO represents more than 2,000 police unions and associations, 238,000 sworn law enforcement officers, 11,000 retired officers...

and

Obama Beats McCain in Va....

So derpy OP, apparently this is what happens when democrats are the majority.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your whargarrrrble.



Please view: http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/the-national-defense-authorizat i on-act-opens-the-door-to-a-police-state/

McCain was one of the foremost supporters of the NDAA, which authorizes permanent detention without due process even for US citizens (and by military personnel).

Neither the stupid Republicans or the stupid Democrats care about our civil liberties. All this ridiculous bickering is really only serving to divide our citizenry when it should be uniting to stand up against these bastards.

Besides, we all know the real enemy here is homoseckshuls and Musslums. They ruinin' our coontreh! (It certainly isn't the people in charge who are doing it.)
 
2012-08-01 11:06:46 AM
 
2012-08-01 11:11:18 AM

Ant: Oh no! Not multicolored shapes on concrete! That's the worst thing ever!!!


It's cute and whimsical for, like, a week. Then it gets dingy and you just want a clean looking space again.
 
2012-08-01 11:23:32 AM

Ant: Gyrfalcon: Unfortunately, we as a society have gotten to where "Yes, sir," and "no ma'am" are just never to be said,

I can't and won't say "yes sir" or "yes ma'am" to anybody, except in jest. I don't think I could do it even to save my job if my boss demanded such treatment.


I got used to it in the military and while working retail, called a customer sir once. He got very offended, and it was weird.
 
2012-08-01 11:24:48 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Except when a cop gets his little feelings hurt, people get tazed, shot, and/or go to jail. It's not the same as being rude to a waiter.


Unless you have a dirty fork
 
2012-08-01 11:28:08 AM

MycroftHolmes: it does not seem that this is the consensus.


...of the people in power. You said you knew many people who chafed at authority - don't they count?

MycroftHolmes: Maybe more than ever, we see, through politics, lawsuits, and public sentiment, a growing sentiment that we should be taken care of and not be responsible for our actions or outcomes. This cannot happen without a corresponding increase in authority and control.


It's not possible for everyone to be taken care of. Also, the imperative to submit to authority is itself promoted from early childhood by everyone from public school teachers to ministers to parents who learned it in kindergarten themselves. It's a complex issue, for sure, and probably beyond the scope of an internet discussion, but please know that not everyone who objects to the hall monitor mentality does so from complete ignorance.
 
2012-08-01 11:29:56 AM

Ant: Oh no! Not multicolored shapes on concrete! That's the worst thing ever!!!


I don't think anyone was saying that it was the worst thing ever, but are you seriously arguing that it is ok to deface public or shared areas? That no one has a right to care what their shared living areas look like? If I went to where you lived and spray painted everything neon pink and yellow, you really feel that you shouldn't have a right to ask for that to be removed?
 
2012-08-01 11:37:01 AM

untaken_name: ...of the people in power. You said you knew many people who chafed at authority - don't they count?


Here is the thing, the people chafing at authority are also often the ones who want most to be taken care of. So they keep voting for bigger and bigger government. After 9\11, there was a huge cry of 'How could you let that happen?', much less of a cry of 'No free country will ever be able to stop terrorism'. As a result, the people who want to take care of themselves are getting outvoted. While they do count, they do not count enough. I don't want to devolve too much into a partisan argument, but just look at current trends in the health care. People are concurrently arguing that the government should provide healthcare while arguing that they should restrict unhealthy actions like smoking.

untaken_name: It's not possible for everyone to be taken care of. Also, the imperative to submit to authority is itself promoted from early childhood by everyone from public school teachers to ministers to parents who learned it in kindergarten themselves. It's a complex issue, for sure, and probably beyond the scope of an internet discussion, but please know that not everyone who objects to the hall monitor mentality does so from complete ignorance.


I know that. I know some people who are aware enough and honest with themselves enough to say that they want smaller government with less authority, knowing full well what that means (more power to big business, less social safety net, etc.). But people with matured, thought out viewpoints like that are the minority. Most cop\authority haters are having a knee jerk reaction, either due to a bad experience, or to the idea that they aren't special snowflakes and they have to toe the line like everyone else.
 
2012-08-01 11:42:58 AM

MycroftHolmes: Ant: Oh no! Not multicolored shapes on concrete! That's the worst thing ever!!!

I don't think anyone was saying that it was the worst thing ever, but are you seriously arguing that it is ok to deface public or shared areas? That no one has a right to care what their shared living areas look like? If I went to where you lived and spray painted everything neon pink and yellow, you really feel that you shouldn't have a right to ask for that to be removed?


Again, "spray paint" != "chalk". Chalk:ephermeral::spray paint:persistent. That's the whole benefit of chalk - it really does just wash away with anything from rain to a garden hose. It's typically ecologically safe, and causes no harm to the underlying surface.

That being said, we need to split out the "damaging property through malicious application of persistent substance" and "damaging community through malicious depiction of disagreeable visuals" portions of "vandalism." If the little girl was using spray paint, then it doesn't matter what she was drawing, because she was damaging public property. If the little girl was using chalk, and she was drawing cartoon sexual organs, scrawling "fark you" everywhere, or otherwise providing "disagreeable visuals," then she was being a nuisance.

If the little girl was using chalk, and wasn't rendering scatalogical references, profanities, or other such "disagreeable visuals," then no authoritarian intervention need apply. "Vandalism" catches otherwise innocuous activities. What's worse, these two concepts won't be separated because it allows law enforcement the ability to arrest those who speak out against authority - protestors who use chalk to draw political messages on public property are arrested for "vandalism," even if they've done nothing else.
 
2012-08-01 11:58:16 AM

FormlessOne: Again, "spray paint" != "chalk". Chalk:ephermeral::spray paint:persistent. That's the whole benefit of chalk - it really does just wash away with anything from rain to a garden hose. It's typically ecologically safe, and causes no harm to the underlying surface.


In the comment I was responding to, Ant was mocking an individual who was unhappy that chalk had persisted for multiple weeks. In this case, it was no more ephemeral than spray paint, and Ant's stance was that one should not be bothered my multicolored shapes. In this context, my analogy is fair.
 
2012-08-01 12:07:07 PM

FormlessOne: If the little girl was using chalk, and wasn't rendering scatalogical references, profanities, or other such "disagreeable visuals," then no authoritarian intervention need apply. "Vandalism" catches otherwise innocuous activities. What's worse, these two concepts won't be separated because it allows law enforcement the ability to arrest those who speak out against authority - protestors who use chalk to draw political messages on public property are arrested for "vandalism," even if they've done nothing else.


If this is the place:

Link

It is pretty clear that any chalk writing would be considered considered visually disagreeable.

I am also a little confused by your comment, as it sounds on one hand like you are saying that the officer should have used a judgement call to determine that what the child was doing was not vandalism, then you turn around and saying that cops should not use judgement, as they could then use that to apply laws only to messages that they disagree with.

It sounds to me like this cop did everything right. Ask the person to please stop defacing rocks at a nature conservancy, then escalate to the use of an applicable law when that request was met with a lack of compliance.
 
2012-08-01 12:17:27 PM

Gyrfalcon:

They had a saying in the Gulag, which is appropriate here: "If they're not f*cking you, don't like down and ask for it."

Yes, cops are assholes; but that doesn't mean you need to get into a pissing match with one to see who will win. Protip: It will ALWAYS be the one with the gun, badge, and six other cops on speeddial.


Fascinating, someone seriously makes a parallel between how a Free Citizen of the what many call "The Best Country in the World" should react to a public servant and the the way a prisoner in a gulag of one of the most oppressive and murderous governments in the world would react: and no one blinks!

absolutely fascinating.
 
2012-08-01 12:43:08 PM

MycroftHolmes: FormlessOne: If the little girl was using chalk, and wasn't rendering scatalogical references, profanities, or other such "disagreeable visuals," then no authoritarian intervention need apply. "Vandalism" catches otherwise innocuous activities. What's worse, these two concepts won't be separated because it allows law enforcement the ability to arrest those who speak out against authority - protestors who use chalk to draw political messages on public property are arrested for "vandalism," even if they've done nothing else.

If this is the place:

Link

It is pretty clear that any chalk writing would be considered considered visually disagreeable.

I am also a little confused by your comment, as it sounds on one hand like you are saying that the officer should have used a judgement call to determine that what the child was doing was not vandalism, then you turn around and saying that cops should not use judgement, as they could then use that to apply laws only to messages that they disagree with.

It sounds to me like this cop did everything right. Ask the person to please stop defacing rocks at a nature conservancy, then escalate to the use of an applicable law when that request was met with a lack of compliance.


You, sir, are an authoritarian. If it were up to people like you, there would be no line in the sand against tyranny. You would gladly hand over other people's rights, then be utterly shocked when they came for yours. While I tend to avoid taunting beasts myself, I'm proud to live in a country where you can tell a cop to go fark themselves and not end up beaten or jailed or murdered. Consider the real context. The public just got robbed of 13 trillion dollars by crooks on Wall St. and U.S. citizens are being murdered in drone strikes by executive fiat. And nobody's going to jail - except for maybe that loudmouthed chick who let her kid use sidewalk chalk at the park.

YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!!!
 
2012-08-01 01:04:44 PM

untaken_name: AssAsInAssassin: untaken_name: As we deconstruct our religious heritage

That's not what "deconstruct" means.

Yeah, I meant to write "destroy" there. Not sure where "deconstruct" came from, as we're not examining it in detail, we're jettisoning it. Thank you for pointing that out, I (obviously) didn't notice it on preview.


Thank you for not dissembling...
 
2012-08-01 01:07:45 PM

sendtodave: doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers, respectful, and cop to the little stuff you know you done wrong and most of the time you'll get leniency.

[ts1.mm.bing.net image 230x154]

Yes sir, I now realize that I should have promptly picked up that can. I'm sorry for troubling you, officer.


I never put that can in the garbage. I always hit him in the face then run away.
 
2012-08-01 01:30:18 PM

Mr. Cat Poop: PacManDreaming: doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers...

Yep, if you just keep your mouth shut and be respectful, you'll be amazed at what you can get away with. Act like a prick to a cop and they'll be more than happy to show you who can be a bigger prick.

We had a house party when I was legal to drink but many of my friends weren't. Some of my friends were smoking weed too. Luckily I was neither drunk nor stoned when the cops showed up. All the smokers tossed their bowls in a pile outside by a bush. We were super polite to the cops the whole time. They didn't check any id's and when they found the stash of pipes they just told us to get rid of them and break the party up. One of my friends picked them up and took them away. If I had been a dick I could easily have been arrested for drug possession and supplying alcohol to minors.


You sound white.
 
2012-08-01 04:39:25 PM

jayhawk88: So it's your opinion that if a cop asks a person to stop doing something, and that person responds by insulting or cursing at him, the cop should just tip his hat and say "Have a nice day"?

I get that some cops are assholes, but that doesn't mean that ALL cops are assholes, or that this particular cop acted in an assholish manner.


No, I was responding to doglover's advice that you must show respect to the police when faced with petty harassment.
 
2012-08-01 04:46:12 PM

MycroftHolmes: So, you understand that the purpose of the police is to enforce laws and exert some level of control. If, through your actions, you show that you are willing to comply with the rules, usually the cops will just move on. if, through your actions, you show a disrespect for authority and a wanton disregard for the rules, the cops have no options but to escalate to enforce the rules. The whole system does not work if there is no enforcement.

Most people chafe at the idea that society has some level of control over them, and that they have to comply. It amazes me how so many people want the benefits and protection of society, but think that they are so special that no one should be the boss of them. It honestly befuddles me how normally bright people can't seem to get that.


Again, petty harassment from the police should not be tolerated without response. I'm not saying that this lady didn't deserve the punishment she received. I was responding specifically to doglover's advice "cop to the little stuff". Because frankly, there's always little stuff - I have several police officers and troopers in my family, and I'm friends with a lot of law enforcement. Every single one of them can find a reason to stop and question any person at any time. The good ones don't do it unless they smell something bad. But harassment can and does happen and in those cases, citizens should not be cowed by the officers.
 
2012-08-01 05:15:30 PM

PacManDreaming: doglover: All you have to do is be really nice to officers...

Yep, if you just keep your mouth shut and be respectful, you'll be amazed at what you can get away with. Act like a prick to a cop and they'll be more than happy to show you who can be a bigger prick.


The best thing that helps me deal with cops it to not think of them as authority figures, it makes me feel nervous which in turn would make them feel like I'm hiding something. I talk to them like they are a normal stranger. Humor can also help an otherwise tense situation given the proper opportunity. Got pulled over for having a headlight out, when the 2 cops talked to me they thought I was drunk because I was speaking slow and slurring my speech. (really my face was frozen from just cross country skiing for 2 1/2 hours, they didn't believe it) They had me get out and wanted to do a field sobriety test. One of the officers demonstrated how to do walk the line but he lost his balance right after he started showing me. "Are you sure you're not drunk?", I asked. They had a good laugh about it, my friends were dumbstruck that I'd even say something like that to an officer. I showed that I could walk the line and then they let me go without putting me through all of the other nonsense in the sobriety test.

/csb
 
2012-08-01 11:04:15 PM
Kid will be found beaten to death after mom's release.
 
2012-08-02 12:50:58 AM

AssAsInAssassin: untaken_name: AssAsInAssassin: untaken_name: As we deconstruct our religious heritage

That's not what "deconstruct" means.

Yeah, I meant to write "destroy" there. Not sure where "deconstruct" came from, as we're not examining it in detail, we're jettisoning it. Thank you for pointing that out, I (obviously) didn't notice it on preview.

Thank you for not dissembling...


I did commit the error, and while the usual mantra is 'deny, deny, deny', I think most people see through that. I can hardly expect anyone I'm engaged in discussion with to admit their mistakes if I attempt to whitewash my own.
 
2012-08-02 02:30:58 AM

untaken_name: AssAsInAssassin: untaken_name: AssAsInAssassin: untaken_name: As we deconstruct our religious heritage

That's not what "deconstruct" means.

Yeah, I meant to write "destroy" there. Not sure where "deconstruct" came from, as we're not examining it in detail, we're jettisoning it. Thank you for pointing that out, I (obviously) didn't notice it on preview.

Thank you for not dissembling...

I did commit the error, and while the usual mantra is 'deny, deny, deny', I think most people see through that. I can hardly expect anyone I'm engaged in discussion with to admit their mistakes if I attempt to whitewash my own.


Yes.This is also my approach to trolls. I've found that if I admit my mistakes, derpers have no idea how to respond.

In this case, however, I was just trying to make a joke about dissembling and dis-assembling. Thought it was clever.

/I think the word you originally wanted was "dismantling."
 
2012-08-02 03:05:20 AM

AssAsInAssassin: untaken_name: AssAsInAssassin: untaken_name: AssAsInAssassin: untaken_name: As we deconstruct our religious heritage

That's not what "deconstruct" means.

Yeah, I meant to write "destroy" there. Not sure where "deconstruct" came from, as we're not examining it in detail, we're jettisoning it. Thank you for pointing that out, I (obviously) didn't notice it on preview.

Thank you for not dissembling...

I did commit the error, and while the usual mantra is 'deny, deny, deny', I think most people see through that. I can hardly expect anyone I'm engaged in discussion with to admit their mistakes if I attempt to whitewash my own.

Yes.This is also my approach to trolls. I've found that if I admit my mistakes, derpers have no idea how to respond.

In this case, however, I was just trying to make a joke about dissembling and dis-assembling. Thought it was clever.

/I think the word you originally wanted was "dismantling."


Ah...I might have caught that if I heard it spoken, but I am pretty poor at picking those kinds of things up in text. It's clever, though, just more clever than I am. "Dismantling" fits much better than either my intended word or the one I actually typed, so I'm going to now pretend that I had intended to use that one and it was an autocorrect error. ;)
 
2012-08-02 12:00:43 PM
I couldn't live in a place where the cops or anybody is that anal retentive.
 
2012-08-02 01:44:58 PM

wenslauw: I couldn't live in a place where the cops or anybody is that anal retentive.


You are aware that the 'park' in question is a nature conservancy and botanical garden, right? This isn't just some kids playing hopscotch on the sidewalk.
 
2012-08-02 08:26:42 PM

MycroftHolmes: wenslauw: I couldn't live in a place where the cops or anybody is that anal retentive.

You are aware that the 'park' in question is a nature conservancy and botanical garden, right? This isn't just some kids playing hopscotch on the sidewalk.


Chalk comes from nature. Just saying.
 
2012-08-02 09:25:18 PM

MycroftHolmes: wenslauw: I couldn't live in a place where the cops or anybody is that anal retentive.

You are aware that the 'park' in question is a nature conservancy and botanical garden, right? This isn't just some kids playing hopscotch on the sidewalk.


And you are aware that a person who maintains that spray painting by vandals and chalk drawings by a child are the "same thing" is not a reasonable person, right?
 
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