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2012-08-01 12:02:45 AM
I wonder if this means that Sprint is going to open up tethering...
 
2012-08-01 12:17:52 AM

unlikely: I wonder if this means that Sprint is going to open up tethering...


According to TFA, no, because the open access to tethering was a part of the agreement when Verizon bought up some spectrum from the government.
 
2012-08-01 12:41:21 AM
Ah. Poop.
 
2012-08-01 02:04:50 AM
Um, I already use tethering. It's called FoxFi, available in the Play Store. You don't even have to root your phone.

I also sell Verizon phones and service.
 
2012-08-01 02:09:06 AM
Also, Verizon kinda saw this coming. The new Share Everything plans give unlimited calling and text, but you'll pay for data. 1 GB starts at $50, but they opened up the hotspot for free on the new plans.

Unlimited data is gone, unless you provide your own phone (bring your own, or pay full retail.)
 
2012-08-01 03:51:43 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Also, Verizon kinda saw this coming. The new Share Everything plans give unlimited calling and text, but you'll pay for data. 1 GB starts at $50, but they opened up the hotspot for free on the new plans.

Unlimited data is gone, unless you provide your own phone (bring your own, or pay full retail.)


I was wondering what prompted that whole thing. My in-laws have the cellular internet with a USB modem because they live in the sticks (it was that or satellite and my husband originally had the account). They're lucky they just use one laptop between the two of them but they were considering a second one and would have had a hell of a bill.

It's a bloody racket, and if the day ever comes that it's all ruled to be gouging and they can't charge all those fees and extras, I will dance a little jig on a Verizon bill out of spite.
 
2012-08-01 04:12:38 AM
What, that was a problem? Does nobody else have PdaNet?
 
2012-08-01 04:14:31 AM

cameroncrazy1984: unlikely: I wonder if this means that Sprint is going to open up tethering...

According to TFA, no, because the open access to tethering was a part of the agreement when Verizon bought up some spectrum from the government.


Yeah, but to stay competitive with verizon I'd imagine that other wireless carriers would also allow tethering on their limited data plans.

/If I pretend that competition is a major driving force for large companies.
 
2012-08-01 04:29:03 AM

drake113: What, that was a problem? Does nobody else have PdaNet?


i do now :-)
/works great!
 
2012-08-01 04:31:31 AM

cameroncrazy1984: unlikely: I wonder if this means that Sprint is going to open up tethering...

According to TFA, no, because the open access to tethering was a part of the agreement when Verizon bought up some spectrum from the government.


This was an auction where Google pushed the bid high enough to hit the threshold that triggered that requirement for Verizon, no less.
 
2012-08-01 04:32:21 AM
rtfna...

can anyone breakdown the savings,
in simple steps.

to how this helps me.

current bills
~170 /2cells
~170 fios
=~340 per mo....

answered my own 1st question.... cancel it all.

/
 
2012-08-01 05:09:39 AM
FTA: Verizon customers will soon have the option of downloading Android apps that let them turn their phone into a mobile hotspot

We've had the option to download Android apps to tether and hotspot all along. I've been tethering for almost 3 years now and haven't paid a dime to Verizon for the privilege. Well, except the exorbitant fees they charge just to use their service in the first place.

My two favorites are AziLink (hard to set up, works in Linux, is free) and EasyTether (Easy to set up, works in Windows only, is a $10 one-time charge)
 
2012-08-01 05:19:03 AM
FFS, Verizon

Dont you read user agreements BEFORE you sign them?
 
2012-08-01 05:30:52 AM
People pay for tethering?
 
2012-08-01 05:34:51 AM
Ah, land of the free to be tied into expensive contracts to get below par service...

/unlimited data 7Mb down 1Mb up
//tethering encouraged (up to 9 computers)
///no traffic shaping, really unlimited (no really, can even host torrents)
////£20/month 2000 minutes 2000 texts 5000 network minutes
 
2012-08-01 06:08:59 AM

dready zim: Ah, land of the free to be tied into expensive contracts to get below par service...

/unlimited data 7Mb down 1Mb up
//tethering encouraged (up to 9 computers)
///no traffic shaping, really unlimited (no really, can even host torrents)
////£20/month 2000 minutes 2000 texts 5000 network minutes


Who gives you unlimited data? I got 1gb cap, but faster speeds (in certain areas), and I never use more than 200mb a month anyway. Though that's probably because i'm cautious and don't wanna go over the limit, use several gbs of wi-fi data.
 
2012-08-01 06:24:44 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Um, I already use tethering. It's called FoxFi, available in the Play Store. You don't even have to root your phone.

I also sell Verizon phones and service.


dufferinpark.ca

Sounds like child's play
 
2012-08-01 06:58:28 AM

Slaxl: dready zim: Ah, land of the free to be tied into expensive contracts to get below par service...

/unlimited data 7Mb down 1Mb up
//tethering encouraged (up to 9 computers)
///no traffic shaping, really unlimited (no really, can even host torrents)
////£20/month 2000 minutes 2000 texts 5000 network minutes

Who gives you unlimited data? I got 1gb cap, but faster speeds (in certain areas), and I never use more than 200mb a month anyway. Though that's probably because i'm cautious and don't wanna go over the limit, use several gbs of wi-fi data.


3 for mobile, sky for landline. Totally unlimited on both for £20/month each. landline includes free calls. Sky will not let you use your connection as a server (no bittorrent hosting) but 3 will...

Last time I checked if you go for the 3 deal you can get a free HTC wildfire smartphone which has wifi built in, unlimited data, 2000 minutes/texts an extra 5000 minutes to call a 3 phone with tethering for £20 a month. If you go for a better phone with a better modem you may get faster speeds in certain areas.
 
2012-08-01 07:12:59 AM

cameroncrazy1984: unlikely: I wonder if this means that Sprint is going to open up tethering...

According to TFA, no, because the open access to tethering was a part of the agreement when Verizon bought up some spectrum from the government.


they might though, for competition. this was always just an added profit center, and if a competitor in a business where the customers are this lucrative has to give that profit center away for free....

Who are we kidding? Verizon already has 3 backup plans in place to make sure they get that money.
 
2012-08-01 07:23:37 AM
So what are the best tethering apps for a Verizon customer? I doubt I'll need one, but I like to be prepared. I installed EasyTether Lite on my phone last summer when it looked like I was going to be without a wireless connection while on vacation but I didn't need it as I was pleasantly surprised by an unsecured wireless near me. So what do those of you who have used tethering apps like? Which ones don't you like? I'm headed to the mountains again soon, I don't know if the neighbor's unsecured wireless is still going to be available, so any advice would be appreciated!
 
hej
2012-08-01 07:25:31 AM

cameroncrazy1984: unlikely: I wonder if this means that Sprint is going to open up tethering...

According to TFA, no, because the open access to tethering was a part of the agreement when Verizon bought up some spectrum from the government.


The agreement also included open access to tethering for Sprint customers.
 
2012-08-01 07:41:42 AM

cameroncrazy1984: unlikely: I wonder if this means that Sprint is going to open up tethering...

According to TFA, no, because the open access to tethering was a part of the agreement when Verizon bought up some spectrum from the government.


In a way, this could be a boon for Verizon as it could lead customers who WANT to tether to their service plans.
 
2012-08-01 07:55:10 AM
The "share everything" plan is such a scam. If you have unlimited data, use Google Voice for free unlimited texting and Groove IP for free unlimited VoIP. FoxFi for free unlimited mobile hotspot.
 
2012-08-01 07:55:39 AM
Call me when they work all this shiat out so I can buy a new phone.
 
2012-08-01 08:06:25 AM
So does this mean I can drop the tethering charge I have on my unlimited account without having to sign a new contract with the new stupid pricing plan?
 
2012-08-01 08:10:57 AM
It's crazy to read about stories like this being a European (specifically in the UK). Preventing tethering... in this day and age? Sure companies like Vodaphone had their knickers in a knot about that in the early days of 2G... but these days with HSPDA connections no phone vendor really gives a shiat about how you burn your data allowance (although the size of that allowance can vary greatly depending on vendor and package). 3, one of our smaller vendors, even bundles Skype in to the ROM's of every compatible handset they sell and yes it works just dandy on 3G, it's one of the selling points of going with them.

US carriers, it really doesn't matter how your customer decides to burn their data allowance. They paid for it. Crucify them if they try to get around the limits of that allowance or if they go over it sure, but beyond that it shouldn't be any of your business.
 
2012-08-01 08:16:18 AM

Slaxl:

Who gives you unlimited data? .


Sprint does. And i will stay with them as long as they offer it.
 
2012-08-01 08:22:00 AM

Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: So does this mean I can drop the tethering charge I have on my unlimited account without having to sign a new contract with the new stupid pricing plan?


No.
 
2012-08-01 08:30:04 AM
Currently posting this via teathered Droid using Barnicle WiFi Teather.
Teathered for years without paying
/csb
 
2012-08-01 08:36:05 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Um, I already use tethering. It's called FoxFi, available in the Play Store. You don't even have to root your phone.

I also sell Verizon phones and service.


USB works on my Bionic as a built-in feature without an app, and I use that from time to time.

I have rooted by phone (just root, still otherwise stock OS) and use a wifi hotspot app that requires root.

On my old Droid, I used PDANet until I found out that it basically works by going through a proxy server or some business like that. Do you know any details about how FoxFi works? Does it work the same as any generic (root) hotspot app or does it use a kludgy workaround to work without root?

I have a Kindle Fire that my kid uses in the car, and my parents have iPhones with low 3G plans and a wifi-only iPad. I use my hotspot app anytime we're all travelling together. I definitely get my use out of it.

/also, I still have unlimited data. I ain't giving that shiat up until they make me (and then I'll probably switch to Sprint or something)
 
2012-08-01 08:36:49 AM
Unfortunately for AT&T customers, the tethering application locked into mandatory Droid builds is broken. So if you have a Samsung Galaxy S more than a year old, you get a 'tethering error' crash for about 30 seconds every time you turn WiFi on or off.
 
2012-08-01 08:47:19 AM

xanadian: In a way, this could be a boon for Verizon as it could lead customers who WANT to tether to their service plans.


You would think that giving more access for the money would be the competitive thing to do.
You haven't changed the data caps or speeds, its just the customer using their equipment on an existing plan.
In practice it seems to be the opposite because the cell companies are doing their best to cut everyone off.

/Then they wonder why people wont buy more devices or bigger contracts.
 
2012-08-01 09:02:40 AM

LemSkroob: Slaxl:

Who gives you unlimited data? .

Sprint does. And i will stay with them as long as they offer it.


Don't they throttle
/Told my cousin to wait till they get LTE rolling around the entire Chicago area
 
2012-08-01 09:05:16 AM

Linoleum_Blownapart: Unfortunately for AT&T customers, the tethering application locked into mandatory Droid builds is broken. So if you have a Samsung Galaxy S more than a year old, you get a 'tethering error' crash for about 30 seconds every time you turn WiFi on or off.


It's not just Android phones they are doing that to
/WP user
 
2012-08-01 09:14:17 AM
Im really getting tired of being raped by telecommunications companies.
 
2012-08-01 09:15:38 AM

Dynascape: Im really getting tired of being raped by telecommunications companies.


Then dont do business with them.
 
2012-08-01 09:16:32 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Um, I already use tethering. It's called FoxFi, available in the Play Store. You don't even have to root your phone.


Saw that app the other day, but is there anyway for the provider to know if you're using it?
I'm paranoid AT&T will cut off my data or something (which I need for work).
 
2012-08-01 09:23:21 AM
Only applies to 4G. And Verizon doesn't let you lock the phone in 4G mode for some bizarre reason. The carriers have been like that for years. When EDGE was the top, I could put my phone in GPRS mode or GPRS/EDGE mode. When 3G came out, I could put it in EDGE mode or EDGE/3G mode. Now that we've got LTE, I can put my phone in 3G mode or 3G/4G.
 
2012-08-01 09:26:19 AM

Snuffybud: So what are the best tethering apps for a Verizon customer? I doubt I'll need one, but I like to be prepared. I installed EasyTether Lite on my phone last summer when it looked like I was going to be without a wireless connection while on vacation but I didn't need it as I was pleasantly surprised by an unsecured wireless near me. So what do those of you who have used tethering apps like? Which ones don't you like? I'm headed to the mountains again soon, I don't know if the neighbor's unsecured wireless is still going to be available, so any advice would be appreciated!


I use Foxfi. It's free and basically idiot-proof. No need to root or anything. Download from Google playstore, run the program, create a wifi name, create a password...people can connect like any other wifi network.

Personally, I don't use it that much becuase it drains the battery like crazy on the phone. But it is nice to have at, for example, an airport. Last time the wife and I traveled she had an ipad and I had a netbook so it was nice to have internet while waiting for flights.
 
2012-08-01 09:26:55 AM

cman: Dynascape: Im really getting tired of being raped by telecommunications companies.

Then dont do business with them.


Seems they're all pretty much the same, just varying degrees of asshattery.

My friends say U-Verse is just as awful as Time Warner...

Im not even sure who is more evil: Verizon or AT&T.
 
2012-08-01 09:29:02 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: LemSkroob: Slaxl:

Who gives you unlimited data? .

Sprint does. And i will stay with them as long as they offer it.

Don't they throttle
/Told my cousin to wait till they get LTE rolling around the entire Chicago area


I'm not sure if they do or don't, but I can tell you I've downloaded torrents through my 4G connection (the wimax 4G they've been offering here in DC for like two years now) and I downloaded almost a gig of files in a few minutes with one bar of 4G. That was pretty awesome. Phone got so warm it was kind of funny.
 
2012-08-01 09:30:56 AM

Mr_H: ecmoRandomNumbers: Um, I already use tethering. It's called FoxFi, available in the Play Store. You don't even have to root your phone.

Saw that app the other day, but is there anyway for the provider to know if you're using it?
I'm paranoid AT&T will cut off my data or something (which I need for work).


FoxFi is actually legal in some odd way. So you can use it without fear of your provider shutting down your data.
 
2012-08-01 09:31:07 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Also, Verizon kinda saw this coming. The new Share Everything plans give unlimited calling and text, but you'll pay for data. 1 GB starts at $50, but they opened up the hotspot for free on the new plans.

Unlimited data is gone, unless you provide your own phone (bring your own, or pay full retail.)


Hmm... I have a grandfathered unlimited plan... maybe it's time for me to hook up my own LTE phone and turn it into a wireless hotspot and cut my cable Internet?
 
2012-08-01 09:35:46 AM

Linoleum_Blownapart: Unfortunately for AT&T customers, the tethering application locked into mandatory Droid builds is broken. So if you have a Samsung Galaxy S more than a year old, you get a 'tethering error' crash for about 30 seconds every time you turn WiFi on or off.


Though I hate admitting it, I work for ATT, but August 28 there are new data plans, pretty much a copy of verizons, where everyone will be able to tether.
 
2012-08-01 09:38:55 AM

dready zim: Ah, land of the free to be tied into expensive contracts to get below par service...

/unlimited data 7Mb down 1Mb up
//tethering encouraged (up to 9 computers)
///no traffic shaping, really unlimited (no really, can even host torrents)
////£20/month 2000 minutes 2000 texts 5000 network minutes


Population density, how the fark does that work?
 
2012-08-01 09:38:56 AM
If Verizon were smart, they'd start advertising this as a feature. And conveniently leave out the bit where the courts forced them to do it, of course.
 
2012-08-01 09:41:06 AM

meanmutton: Population density, how the fark does that work?


It's amazing how that's always the answer every time someone complains about a phone company, or an ISP, or so on. That we shouldn't complain about it since we're not freaking New Delhi. I figured the amazing things Google is doing in Kansas City would finally put that old saw to rest and get people to realize just how much they're getting ripped off, but I guess not.
 
2012-08-01 09:42:29 AM

xanadian: In a way, this could be a boon for Verizon as it could lead customers who WANT to tether to their service plans.


I preordered the current iPad before Verizon and AT&T announced their data plans. For reasons I don't fully recall, I went with the AT&T one. Then the next day Verizon announced theirs would include free tethering, and AT&T announced they would offer no tethering at all for the foreseeable future (WTF?).

So when it arrived, I took it to the Apple Store and swapped the AT&T one for a Verizon one. It took five minutes. I imagine that there are others like me who have switched carriers just because of tethering. I've done it several times in my life.
 
2012-08-01 09:43:11 AM
Galaxy S3, purchased 7/20, on Verizon's 'Share Everything' plan, just tried the built-in hotspot app, worked fine.

Like some, I can understand providers wanting to limit tethering on unlimited plans, especially when 4G speeds are at a level that they beat some home internet (I can get 2x my download and 10x my upload!), but if there's any sort of data cap or throttle, get the fark off your customer's backs on how they use their limited data.
 
2012-08-01 09:46:29 AM

KFBR392: Snuffybud: So what are the best tethering apps for a Verizon customer? I doubt I'll need one, but I like to be prepared. I installed EasyTether Lite on my phone last summer when it looked like I was going to be without a wireless connection while on vacation but I didn't need it as I was pleasantly surprised by an unsecured wireless near me. So what do those of you who have used tethering apps like? Which ones don't you like? I'm headed to the mountains again soon, I don't know if the neighbor's unsecured wireless is still going to be available, so any advice would be appreciated!

I use Foxfi. It's free and basically idiot-proof. No need to root or anything. Download from Google playstore, run the program, create a wifi name, create a password...people can connect like any other wifi network.

Personally, I don't use it that much becuase it drains the battery like crazy on the phone. But it is nice to have at, for example, an airport. Last time the wife and I traveled she had an ipad and I had a netbook so it was nice to have internet while waiting for flights.


Foxfi won't work for me as it only does bluetooth with my HTC Incredible 2, and my laptop does not have bluetooth. I don't mind a wired connection, as a matter of fact I usually use my laptop as the charger for my phone on these trips, it's easier than digging out the power plug from behind the nightstand.
 
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