I had a great time with many wonderful women up till the age of 40, then it seems I just ran out of hormones.

Just not interested anymore. Not the slightest bit attracted to anything... and it is farking great. My quality of life has gone through the roof.

What about a bilingual, blue-eyed, kind, honest, extremely intelligent, humorous GUITAR PLAYER who is semi-employed? Who is also both romantic and GOOD IN BED? Who is a good listener.

Hah.

Okay, well, my guy tends towards vegetarianism, sort of, but will eat meat if occasion requires.

PERFECT.

It is impossible to determine what kind of a man a woman wants because the whole female gender is farking batshiat crazy. THEY don't have a clue as to what they want so how the fark is GQ going to know?

Here's a test.

Ask a woman what she wants for dinner. MOST of the time the answer is I don't know, followed closely by I don't care.

What I do in this instance is if my wife and I are out I drive down the main strip in the area of town we live in. The strip is loaded with dozens of places to eat and a few grocery stores. I make one trip down and one back. If she has not seen or thought of something by the time we get back to the turn off to our neighborhood I drive home and Nuke leftovers or a couple of hotdogs and kick back in my chair with a beer.

Which brings us to her asking me "what am I supposed to eat?" I point to the kitchen and tell her "There's the kitchen, you figure it out."

The other thing I do when I get the I don't know or I don't care is go some place I know she hates.... and look at here and say..." You didn't know or care so I chose. If you don't want me deciding then tell me something."

I only have to do that about twice a year.

Simonsezz: It is impossible to determine what kind of a man a woman wants because the whole female gender is farking batshiat crazy. THEY don't have a clue as to what they want so how the fark is GQ going to know?

Here's a test.

Ask a woman what she wants for dinner. MOST of the time the answer is I don't know, followed closely by I don't care.

What I do in this instance is if my wife and I are out I drive down the main strip in the area of town we live in. The strip is loaded with dozens of places to eat and a few grocery stores. I make one trip down and one back. If she has not seen or thought of something by the time we get back to the turn off to our neighborhood I drive home and Nuke leftovers or a couple of hotdogs and kick back in my chair with a beer.

Which brings us to her asking me "what am I supposed to eat?" I point to the kitchen and tell her "There's the kitchen, you figure it out."

The other thing I do when I get the I don't know or I don't care is go some place I know she hates.... and look at here and say..." You didn't know or care so I chose. If you don't want me deciding then tell me something."

I only have to do that about twice a year.

"What? You said you didn't care, and where else besides the strip club can you get a $4 ribeye? Huh?"

untaken_name: Simonsezz: It is impossible to determine what kind of a man a woman wants because the whole female gender is farking batshiat crazy. THEY don't have a clue as to what they want so how the fark is GQ going to know?

Here's a test.

Ask a woman what she wants for dinner. MOST of the time the answer is I don't know, followed closely by I don't care.

What I do in this instance is if my wife and I are out I drive down the main strip in the area of town we live in. The strip is loaded with dozens of places to eat and a few grocery stores. I make one trip down and one back. If she has not seen or thought of something by the time we get back to the turn off to our neighborhood I drive home and Nuke leftovers or a couple of hotdogs and kick back in my chair with a beer.

Which brings us to her asking me "what am I supposed to eat?" I point to the kitchen and tell her "There's the kitchen, you figure it out."

The other thing I do when I get the I don't know or I don't care is go some place I know she hates.... and look at here and say..." You didn't know or care so I chose. If you don't want me deciding then tell me something."

I only have to do that about twice a year.

"What? You said you didn't care, and where else besides the strip club can you get a $4 ribeye? Huh?"

My husband says you should take her to a nice place you know she likes on those occasions (and others).

Atypical Person Reading Fark: My husband says you should take her to a nice place you know she likes on those occasions (and others).

That is most likely only one of the many and varied reasons he's a husband and I'm not. If you want to go somewhere nice that you like, just tell me that instead of saying, "I don't care." I don't take well to liars, I guess, even when it's social "little white lies."

zzrhardy: I had a great time with many wonderful women up till the age of 40, then it seems I just ran out of hormones.

Just not interested anymore. Not the slightest bit attracted to anything... and it is farking great. My quality of life has gone through the roof.

*notsureifserious.jpeg*

GQ published that list so their regular readership will have an easier time attracting and marrying a fine upstanding beard they can take home to mama.

HA HA HA HA!!!!

That ideal man crap list is just what women spout that they want to have as they cry on the shoulder of a "guy friend" as they're banging the bro who has NO qualities listed on that list.

Women do not know what they want most of the time, unless they're spouting about what they're looking for in a man servant.

As a single and awesome female, can we make this a manmeat thread? Please?

Because HIDDLESTUNNED.





and while I'm at it,













/willingly bows to Loki's reign of chaos

Valiente: Long tongue, thick cock? Throw in "I think Andrea Dworkin is the most underrated humorist in history" and the deal is sealed.

Damn. Well, you know what they say... two out of three ain't bad.

OscarTamerz: GQ published that list so their regular readership will have an easier time attracting and marrying a fine upstanding beard they can take home to mama.


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I would wear that on my face.

Why is Robert Patterson over Robert Downey Jr for google autofill? THIS SHOULD NOT BE.




Seriously Downey with messy hair kills me.



On another note, pictures of Arnold Vosloo seem uncommon. This is an injustice.





Purrr curly hair.





/but seriously it's late
//can't decide who to post next

frostus: I have those things - except I have hazel eyes and speak only one language. I guess my wife never dumped me for a guitarist because I'm a drummer (and we're much more awesome).

how do you know if the stage is uneven?

the drummer is only drooling out of one side of his mouth

/try the veal
//no real antipathy towards drummers

BigJake: how do you know if the stage is uneven?

the drummer is only drooling out of one side of his mouth

/try the veal
//no real antipathy towards drummers

I love drummer jokes. It's what guitarists and bass players tell each other while we're chatting up the ladies.

/and the singer's in the rest room fixing his hair

WhippingBoy: DeltaPunch: doglover: DeltaPunch: I've lived in Japan and Europe, and the women there are intelligent, mature, confident, well-read, and are much more likely to prefer a guy with whom they can have an intelligent conversation, as opposed to some badboy asshole.

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

Oh, I'll have the veal. Will you be here all week?

4 out of 7 days, I'm here EVERY day. Obviously this kind of speculation is based on personal experience, I'm just relating my own observations. Results may vary in your area.

I've had similar experiences in Japan and Korea. I'm an overweight, balding, near-sighted, middle-aged guy. Women in North American don't give me the time of day. Completely different story in Asia. And not bottom feeders either; these were very attractive, intelligent, and independent women.

I don't know what it is, but something about the U.S. screws up the women here. They're (usually) awful. I spent a few years in Germany and the situation was completely different. The women in Germany were actually interested in some conversation and give-and-take unlike the American girls who only want to talk about themselves and will possibly reward you with sex if you pretend hard enough to be interested.

The ideal man is massively muscled with razor sharp definition and superhuman strength. One is selected every year. His title is Mr. Olympia.

Buffet: The ideal man is massively muscled with razor sharp definition and superhuman strength. One is selected every year. His title is Mr. Olympia.



Perfect is in the eyes of the beholder.

/don't go for the uberbuff guys myself

So, I read the artile for amusement, but found that (by the grace of God) the man I married has all the qualities of the ideal man.

But the biggest thing that stands out, now that I really look at it, is that even though I often bite off more than I can chew, and I jump to conclusions with little evidence, and I sometimes need the equivalent of a Chinese Army to keep all my commitments, for the most part, I've chosen to be the kind of woman that would merit such a man. I have chosen to be kind, honest, have a sense of humor, cultivate my intellectual curiosity, etc. The result of this was that I got very lucky, which means that when preparation met opportunity and I met the ideal man, he liked what he saw. I'm a pretty lucky girl, but I also was encouraged at a young age to bring my A game to everything I did, and dream big.

I think perhaps very few people choose to shoot for the ideal, or aspire to be the ideal mate, so if they do meet the ideal mate, they're not quite ready for him/her at that time. The potential is there, but unfortunately you can't (and shouldn't) marry potential. Thankfully my husband was too young to recognize that I had a long way to go when he married me, but was patient enough to see me through it (we were both about 23).

one of Ripley's Bad Guys: zzrhardy: I had a great time with many wonderful women up till the age of 40, then it seems I just ran out of hormones.

Just not interested anymore. Not the slightest bit attracted to anything... and it is farking great. My quality of life has gone through the roof.

*notsureifserious.jpeg*

I think Socrates said something about his mind feeling free once he grew old, that in hindsight he felt shackled by desires of the flesh or something. It's been a while, maybe someone else said it.

But, I don't think it's a terrible thing, unless you have a partner who does not feel that way.

DeltaPunch: A lot of the generalizations about how women are attracted to bad boys, etc., seem more applicable to American women. I've lived in Japan and Europe, and the women there are intelligent, mature, confident, well-read, and are much more likely to prefer a guy with whom they can have an intelligent conversation, as opposed to some badboy asshole.

When I tell a European girl I have a PhD, she seems genuinely interested and treats me like an intellectual equal, whereas American girls giggle and say something like "oh my god, that must've been, like, so hard! u must b so smrt!", then proceed to whip out their iPhone and check their texts.

Yes, I know not ALL American girls are like that, I'm just sayin' there's seems to be some discernible difference, for some reason.

How many girls do you tell that you have a PhD? Opening line or something?
Glad to hear it's working on the European and Japanese girls, at least.
A little unfair though, to label American girls as dumb ditzes merely because they're not as impressed as you are with your education.

Granolabar: A little unfair though, to label American girls as dumb ditzes merely because they're not as impressed as you are with your education.

Especially when there are so many better reasons to label them as such.

blueviking: Jamdug!: Hey -

GQ is trying to sell you magazines. Take it with a grain of salt.

I always laugh at these articles, they're at least good for some guffaws at the end of a long day.

But, I do have a question, I've seen a lot of writers that seem to assume most women go for Ryan Gosling...really? Can my fellow farkettes weigh in on this? I realize that my tastes are...strange...and I might not be a good part of the sample, so, I'd actually like a consensus from the other ladies. Or is this just a guy's assumption based on the fact that Gosling takes all these roles in "chick flicks"?

So, I probably fall off the end of the Bell Curve because I had to do a GIS to see who you were talking about (I don't get out much, unless it's to mountain bike). Gosling needs a shave.

If there were a physical type I were attracted to, I'd have to say Robert Downy Jr. But knowing his personal struggles and how ill-equipped I'd be to help, my ideal type would be more like Denzel Washington or Cal Ripken Jr, maybe. Someone solid, dependable, and clean-shaven.

you know I'm bitter when I skip someone's post on subjects like these as soon as I figure out the author is a female. LOL honestly, you can see how difficult it is for a normal male to take anything you say on the subject seriously.

untaken_name: Granolabar: A little unfair though, to label American girls as dumb ditzes merely because they're not as impressed as you are with your education.

Especially when there are so many better reasons to label them as such.

I would hazard a guess that the men of every country have their gripes with the local women and think women somewhere else must be better.
In my travels I've found that the local men are always inordinately interested in female travelers. Different is exotic and inherently interesting.
Plus, everyone goes out of their way to be interesting and witty and funny when they're with people from other countries.

Q: What does a stripper do with her arsehole before work?

A: Drops him at band practice.

Also... Women have no farking idea what they want. If by some miracle a woman DOES know what she wants... it's what she wants right now. Come tomorrow... all bets are off.

I'm 40. When I want some (which isn't all that often... 'cause I'm 40)... I pay for it or pick up a chick in a bar (which is surprisingly easy when you're 40, single and make good money) which is still basically paying for it.

I get to keep my money, have awesome toys and it's fun to be the guy that all my friend's wives hate. Life is pretty good. Why the hell would I want to ruin that by partnering up?

That's right ladies... you spent your early adult life waiting for Mr. Perfect and/or focusing on your 'career'... and guys like me are whats left.

/Good luck with that.

Granolabar: I would hazard a guess that the men of every country have their gripes with the local women and think women somewhere else must be better.

Yes, but logically speaking, some of them must be correct. It's just a matter of determining who.

untaken_name: Granolabar: I would hazard a guess that the men of every country have their gripes with the local women and think women somewhere else must be better.

Yes, but logically speaking, some of them must be correct. It's just a matter of determining who.

I think your logic may be off, I see no reason anyone has to be right.
Women are women. No matter where you go (in the developed world, at least) we will spend too much money on our shoes, too much time on the phone, we'll get mad at you for reasons you don't understand, and we will hog the bathroom. Husbands from Iceland to Singapore gripe about these things. They are universal.

Granolabar: untaken_name: Granolabar: I would hazard a guess that the men of every country have their gripes with the local women and think women somewhere else must be better.

Yes, but logically speaking, some of them must be correct. It's just a matter of determining who.

I think your logic may be off, I see no reason anyone has to be right.
Women are women. No matter where you go (in the developed world, at least) we will spend too much money on our shoes, too much time on the phone, we'll get mad at you for reasons you don't understand, and we will hog the bathroom. Husbands from Iceland to Singapore gripe about these things. They are universal.

Just like everything else, women are variable by location. There is somewhere on Earth which produces the best oranges. There is somewhere that has superior horses. Somewhere with the healthiest bird population. Now, these locations may vary over time. However, there must exist gradation in comparable things over various locations. It may not be easy to distinguish where the "best" women come from on a macro scale, however, as definitions of "best" necessarily vary from person to person.

Survey findings - what makes a man close to ideal?

Honesty.
Kindness.
Intelligence.
Has a good sense of humour.
More likely to have blue eyes than brown.
Speaks at least two languages.
More important that he is romantic than good in bed.
Meat eaters are preferred to vegetarians.
Is a good listener.



The last 10% was my effort to give women the benefit of the doubt. A common question men ask of women is "Tell me what you want in a man?", which is like asking how many guys she's slept with, an invitation to be lied to. Because she'll almost invariably answer with some combination of

• sense of humor
• intelligence
• sensitivity
• emotional stability

Ladder Theory is always applicable

untaken_name: Granolabar: untaken_name: Granolabar: I would hazard a guess that the men of every country have their gripes with the local women and think women somewhere else must be better.

Yes, but logically speaking, some of them must be correct. It's just a matter of determining who.

I think your logic may be off, I see no reason anyone has to be right.
Women are women. No matter where you go (in the developed world, at least) we will spend too much money on our shoes, too much time on the phone, we'll get mad at you for reasons you don't understand, and we will hog the bathroom. Husbands from Iceland to Singapore gripe about these things. They are universal.

Just like everything else, women are variable by location. There is somewhere on Earth which produces the best oranges. There is somewhere that has superior horses. Somewhere with the healthiest bird population. Now, these locations may vary over time. However, there must exist gradation in comparable things over various locations. It may not be easy to distinguish where the "best" women come from on a macro scale, however, as definitions of "best" necessarily vary from person to person.

There are places where the best horses are bred, shall we breed superior women? Or plant them in an amenable climate like oranges.
You're walking some thin ice when you say there's a region that the "best" people come from.

Granolabar: untaken_name: Granolabar: untaken_name: Granolabar: I would hazard a guess that the men of every country have their gripes with the local women and think women somewhere else must be better.

Yes, but logically speaking, some of them must be correct. It's just a matter of determining who.

I think your logic may be off, I see no reason anyone has to be right.
Women are women. No matter where you go (in the developed world, at least) we will spend too much money on our shoes, too much time on the phone, we'll get mad at you for reasons you don't understand, and we will hog the bathroom. Husbands from Iceland to Singapore gripe about these things. They are universal.

Just like everything else, women are variable by location. There is somewhere on Earth which produces the best oranges. There is somewhere that has superior horses. Somewhere with the healthiest bird population. Now, these locations may vary over time. However, there must exist gradation in comparable things over various locations. It may not be easy to distinguish where the "best" women come from on a macro scale, however, as definitions of "best" necessarily vary from person to person.

There are places where the best horses are bred, shall we breed superior women? Or plant them in an amenable climate like oranges.
You're walking some thin ice when you say there's a region that the "best" people come from.

I'm truly sorry that you feel that by merely applying biology, nature, and logic, I am on "thin ice". With whom, exactly? Where do the best marathon runners come from? Kenya. Why? I have no idea. But it's the truth. Attempting to force reality to fit some ideal of political correctness is madness. It's FAR better to deal with reality as it exists rather than as we wish it existed.

Granolabar: You're walking some thin ice when you say there's a region that the "best" people come from.

This seems to be a cultural issue at heart, and I see no issue with someone preferring the attributes of some other culture to our own. It would be foolish to claim that women from other regions don't act differently than women from our region. The same can be said of men, or any group in our society. I myself am not traveled enough to know what continent has my kind of chick, so I don't know who I think would be the best. It's a matter of opinion in the end.

Survey findings - what makes a man close to ideal?

My results

Honesty....pretty much
Kindness....mostly, but there are days when the inner asshole gets the best of me
Intelligence....Average with early onset Old Timers
Has a good sense of humour....Depends on if you get it or not
More likely to have blue eyes than brown......blue eyes.
Speaks at least two languages.....not really. I can say "where's the bathroom?" in Spanish
More important that he is romantic than good in bed.....um..yeah..both! That's it - both! (see #1).
Meat eaters are preferred to vegetarians.....meat n taters win every time.
Is a good listener....bwahaha! Gives the impression of being a good listener? Absolutely!

Survey findings - moderately important characteristics:

Drives a European car.....1999 Ford Explorer.
Wears a suit to work.....jeans?
Has a degree.....AA .
Is clean shaven....shaved last Thurs, will shave again this weekend - except for the goatee..


How did I do?
/married 28 years.
/2 kids, 5 grandkids


Moral of the story: There's someone for everyone, esp once one rises above shallow crap in magazines and blogs. When you find the right person, it's great - and worth the wait. And it sure as hell doesn't matter what some magazine article says.

Guys, just wear a jersey that says Mr. Right on the back next time your at the club.

Pray 4 Mojo:
I'm 40. When I want some (which isn't all that often... 'cause I'm 40)... I pay for it or pick up a chick in a bar (which is surprisingly easy when you're 40, single and make good money) which is still basically paying for it.


Hmm, you're the second 40 year-old to say something along those lines in this thread. It's odd to see 80 year-olds chugging viagra and whatnot while 40 year-olds just taper off in "the hunt".

That's just 12 years away for me and can't imagine life without those raging hormones calling the shots.

Oh, and thanks for the TF sponsorship. I'll try to use it well... or something.

"More likely to have blue eyes than brown......blue eyes."

Nice way of saying "Whites only"

\white

TenJed_77: Cake Hunter: What about an employed banjoist?

banjoer.

Banjomaddan.

Ok, fine. Guitar it is.

It's Banjo Man!
And you can't tie down a Banjo Man!
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That reminds me of Lonesome Dove, to be honest. I missed it first run; got to watch the TV trilogy on Netflix recently, though. Gus (Robert Duval, Steve Zahn) can't be tied down. Not to his true love Clara (Anjelica Huston, Barbara Hershey, Linda Cardellini), not to his right now love Lorie (Diane Lane). Come to think of it, the Captain (Tommy Lee Jones, Jon Voight, Karl Urban) couldn't be tied down, either. He never did tell Newt... Anyway, Gus and the Captain were definitely tied to each other, but not in a homo way. It was just... Gus and the Captain had a hard time being honest to their chicks, and always effed it up. They got scared of commitment, both of them.

But when it came time to 'settle down' in their old age, they had no problem picking up everything and heading to the ass-end of nowhere -- Montana -- on a whim and a dream.

Some men, a woman just can't tie down. They aren't gay, they just aren't the husband type and if you try to force them into that role, bad shiat happens (sup, Dee Boot). A woman has to move on from that type of man, and find her male homemaker elsewhere or else she'll be miserable.

one of Ripley's Bad Guys: zzrhardy: I had a great time with many wonderful women up till the age of 40, then it seems I just ran out of hormones.

Just not interested anymore. Not the slightest bit attracted to anything... and it is farking great. My quality of life has gone through the roof.

*notsureifserious.jpeg*

Normal for both sexes. However, if either sex is unhappy with their own lowered sex drive as they get older, just take testosterone supplements, right?

God-is-a-Taco: Pray 4 Mojo:
I'm 40. When I want some (which isn't all that often... 'cause I'm 40)... I pay for it or pick up a chick in a bar (which is surprisingly easy when you're 40, single and make good money) which is still basically paying for it.

Hmm, you're the second 40 year-old to say something along those lines in this thread. It's odd to see 80 year-olds chugging viagra and whatnot while 40 year-olds just taper off in "the hunt".

That's just 12 years away for me and can't imagine life without those raging hormones calling the shots.

I found that a little odd myself. I'll be 57 soon and I haven't slowed down to that extent. Maybe because I'm still married to the same girl I fell for and married many moons ago and we still can't keep our hands off each other. I hope I never lose that drive.

sendtodave: Survey findings - what makes a man close to ideal?

Honesty.
Kindness.
Intelligence.
Has a good sense of humour.
More likely to have blue eyes than brown.
Speaks at least two languages.
More important that he is romantic than good in bed.
Meat eaters are preferred to vegetarians.
Is a good listener.

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The last 10% was my effort to give women the benefit of the doubt. A common question men ask of women is "Tell me what you want in a man?", which is like asking how many guys she's slept with, an invitation to be lied to. Because she'll almost invariably answer with some combination of

• sense of humor
• intelligence
• sensitivity
• emotional stability

Ladder Theory is always applicable

Reading the site: " A man who is devoted to something else besides the woman is automatically more attractive." That's some realness. There's a male corollary to that, though, which should be added: "A woman who is pursued by other men is automatically more attractive to other men."

Another one: "The best way to never score with a woman is to show too much interest in her." Also some realness. Again, though, there's a corollary to that: "The best way to drive away a man is to show too much interest in him." Dudes like to pursue. A woman has to make herself pursuit-worthy; if she doesn't, a dude will think there's something wrong with her and will come to resent her. That's where you really get dudes treating chicks badly.

If a chick wants a dude to stop treating her badly, she has to step her game up and show him that she doesn't need him. Instead, chicks pursue the dude even harder. Vicious cycle.

More realness, though the author messed up at the end by bringing in the 9-to-5 versus weed example: "Novelty - Let's face it, if you're like every other guy ... Chicks don't dig this, and why would they? Who wants someone who is just like everyone else?" This is related to the shiat Granolabar is talking about, in the above exchange with untaken_name. I don't know what it means when folks resist the truth of 'novelty'. Well, I think I do, but myopia is myopia.

When the dude gets to the actual ladder, I laughed. The men's ladder is straight-forward and based on one thing, and one thing only: physical attractiveness. This dude is bewildered and tearing his hair out because women's ladders are not constructed upon one thing - in spite of women being attracted to money and power. He wants women to be more like men, and have one over-riding constant.

The author of the ladder site writes: "The problem arises because a woman never lets a guy know which ladder he is on." I'm not sure what that means. It's not like men let women know where they really fall on their own ladders while in the pursuit of sex. I don't think the author is really bewildered so much as he wants a one-size-fits-all answer which will make it easier to climb up a woman's ladder, the same way a woman can climb up a man's ladder. He doesn't want to understand the ladder, he wants to conquer it, and he doesn't know how and it looks like it's frustrating him.

djZorbof: "More likely to have blue eyes than brown......blue eyes."

Nice way of saying "Whites only"

\white

It's scary that GQ actually went there. It's even scarier the number of women in this thread who swallowed that happily -- as well as the number of men who tried to big-up themselves by saying they met every checkmark on the list -- with no analysis. There's a problem.

/a degree don't mean you got sense

A woman's ideal man?

Easy: Gomez Addams



Energetic
Funny
Stylish
Talented
Clever
Passionate
Forgiving
Loves his kids
Loves his wife
Loves his in-laws
Filthy Rich

What more could a woman ask for?

Granolabar:
You're walking some thin ice when you say there's a region that the "best" people come from.

On the contrary, I think Unspoken knows exactly where that thin ice is, and treads it happily. Folks who do that, though, are like the folks who fantasize about the Rapture or the End of Civilization or What It Would Be Like To Live In X Era: they don't see themselves as being on the wrong side of that ice. Those types of standards apply to other people, they do not apply them to themselves.

NephilimNexus: A woman's ideal man?

Easy: Gomez Addams

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Energetic
Funny
Stylish
Talented
Clever
Passionate
Forgiving
Loves his kids
Loves his wife
Loves his in-laws
Filthy Rich

What more could a woman ask for?

You didn't put 'Handsome'. Meanwhile, the man's ideal woman would be one word, and one word only: 'Hot'. Women have a laundry list, and therefore there's a lot of wiggle room... which means men think women don't know what they want. Men don't have a laundry list...which means women get frustrated when a dude pursues the vessel and not the contents.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: I'm not sure what that means.

He means that women do not tell men whether they have placed those men on the "friend" ladder or the "good" ladder.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Granolabar:
You're walking some thin ice when you say there's a region that the "best" people come from.

On the contrary, I think Unspoken knows exactly where that thin ice is, and treads it happily. Folks who do that, though, are like the folks who fantasize about the Rapture or the End of Civilization or What It Would Be Like To Live In X Era: they don't see themselves as being on the wrong side of that ice. Those types of standards apply to other people, they do not apply them to themselves.

Excuse me, but what "side" was I on? I was simply pointing out the obvious fact that there are differences between different regions, and that those differences should be quantifiable in some fashion. I never claimed to have the answer to "where the best women are", just positing that it must, logically, exist somewhere, although it may be variable. Not sure what "side" that puts me on, so I look forward to enlightenment.