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(Huffington Post)   Harry Reid: "I'm not saying Mitt Romney paid no taxes for ten years... but Mitt Romney paid no taxes for ten years"   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 125
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2012-07-31 11:44:40 PM  
10 votes:
EXACTLY.

He buys up American companies, trashes them to make a buck, puts people out of work...

then takes his cash and siphons it out of the USA without even paying a fair share to the country he pretends to love.


The fact this turd is running for president is farking scary. He's the ENEMY.
2012-07-31 04:31:08 PM  
10 votes:
Bain Investor Told Me That Mitt Romney 'Didn't Pay Any Taxes For 10 Years'

If this is true, Romney is beyond toast when he finally does release his Tax Returns. Well, for everyone but Team GOP. They'll love him more.

But I'll ask: if he paid no taxes, why didn't he create far more jobs than anybody else?
2012-07-31 04:26:38 PM  
9 votes:
whatever it is, clearly mittens thinks the political fallout for not releasing his returns is preferable to the fallout that would come from releasing them.
2012-07-31 08:57:57 PM  
6 votes:
If I release the returns, do you think they'll shut up?
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Nice world your party has created, isn't it?
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2012-08-01 12:21:59 AM  
5 votes:

Lsherm: Three Crooked Squirrels: Lsherm: czei: Sure, Mitt can release his tax returns, but then how do we know that they're *really* his tax returns? They could be easily faked, so maybe we should get some county Sheriff to look 'em over just to make sure.

Seriously, though, Romney doesn't need to release them, all it'll take is a question at the debates that brings up the subject, where either the moderator flat out asks each candidate how much they paid in taxes, or Obama says "I've paid 30% in taxes for decades", how about you?

Small point of correction, but Obama didn't pay 30%, either. I haven't gone through all of his tax returns, but he's still paying less than the average American. However, he's almost certainly paying more than Romney.

Your own article says he pays much more than the average American. He paid slightly less than the average 1%er because he gave a bunch to charity.

OK, fair enough. But he didn't pay 30%.


Fine, he didn't pay 30%. But of the two of them, Obama is the only one trying to get the wealthy to carry their weight so this country can get back on its feet again. Romney is trying to figure out how he can keep ALL of his skin out of the game, and how to take some of your skin too.
2012-07-31 04:28:16 PM  
5 votes:

FlashHarry: whatever it is, clearly mittens thinks the political fallout for not releasing his returns is preferable to the fallout that would come from releasing them.


Either way, it's a darn interesting "no-win" situation from a guy who's essentially been running for president for YEARS. What the heck was he thinking?
2012-08-01 12:48:15 AM  
4 votes:
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"Ratfarking" is a proud Republican tradition.

The 'Bain Investor' could be a fake, delivering the goods to Reid to get Reid to announce "I have this information, that Romney did 'X'." Then the "truth" could come out, making Reid look 1. Like complete ass 2. Wrong 3. Innoculate Romney from any further accusations.

C'mon, people. TANG/Rather wasn't that long ago.

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2012-08-01 12:18:31 AM  
4 votes:
Yeah... I'm going with extremely low tax rate.

He's too important to the LDS for tithing to be an issue. Even if he undertithed by millions, they'd just have a revelation about why his tithing math is valid. The value of having the first Mormon president is worth way more than a few million, plus no one would care about the tithing issue outside the church.

Even the UBS/amnesty issue has few legs. Too complex to work into soundbites.

But embarrassing low tax rate? Simple to exploit in an ad, and particularly effective with blue collar rust belt workers that Obama needs to win.
2012-07-31 11:53:04 PM  
4 votes:

MithrandirBooga: I sincerely doubt anyone in his entire life has ever said "no" to him until now.


And he's not handling the experience very well either. I think he's deeply angry about the fact that he can't have the uppity peasants beaten for being impertinent.

that aside, one thing is certain: Romney is terrified about those tax returns. whatever is in them is pretty damaging.
2012-07-31 11:41:15 PM  
4 votes:
When Romney first come out and refused to release more tax returns he was being clubbed quite viciously over his 'retroactive' retirement at Bain and his wonky timelines. My first impression was that they were intertwined - that Romney didn't want to release his returns because they would show he made 3,5,10+ million a year from Bain during the years he was 'retired'.

The problem with that hypothesis is that in order to enlighten us about his final years at Bain Romney would have to release almost a decade of returns. He could quite easily deflate most the pressure by releasing just short of that, a good 6 years of returns, and clear most the speculation out if those returns are mundane.

His utter refusal to release any more returns at all makes it pretty clear that it's something recent - something in the last 6 years. Which is to say there's something in his tax returns from the years he's been running for president that he doesn't want us to see.

This is reaching John Edwards level of narcissism. Do these people honestly believe they can make it through a presidential election just by ignoring the skeletons in their closets and hoping they don't come up? Just wow.
2012-07-31 11:39:50 PM  
4 votes:
"When a man assumes public office he should consider himself public property"

~Thomas Jefferson

Why do Republicans hate the Founding Fathers?
2012-07-31 09:32:25 PM  
4 votes:
Here's my favorite quote from Reid in that article:

"We feel comfortable in the Senate. Where the problem is, is this: Because of the Citizens United decision, Karl Rove and the Republicans are looking forward to a breakfast the day after the election. They are going to assemble 17 angry old white men for breakfast, some of them will slobber in their food, some will have scrambled eggs, some will have oatmeal, their teeth are gone. But these 17 angry old white men will say, 'Hey, we just bought America. Wasn't so bad. We still have a whole lot of money left.'"

Well-spoken, sir...
2012-07-31 05:04:30 PM  
4 votes:
I don't trust Harry Reid not to have gotten played here.
2012-08-01 08:10:39 AM  
3 votes:

Hobodeluxe: walkingtall: Bypasssec: Absolutely correct! CHRIST as you refer to it is a convenient McGuffon for the Religious™ retards to rally around.

And so it begins......

actually he's right. the "Christ" of Republicans is nothing like the Christ in the Bible.

Jesus preached tolerance,humility,to help the poor,the sick,to pay your taxes and that worshiping mammon was a sin.

This idea of a prosperity gospel,of huge opulent temples in which to display your piety to be seen by man,to shun the poor,the sick and to judge others is an apostasy. And is exactly the type of false prophecy that the Bible warns against.


The greatest trick the devil ever pulled wasn't convincing the world that he didn't exist.

Oh no.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing Evangelical Christians that he was God.

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2012-08-01 01:29:33 AM  
3 votes:

themindiswatching: None of the Fark conservatives are ironically (considering a lot of them are birthers) defending Romney on this? You guys are slipping.


Politics tab threads are usually never published this late in the evening. The GOP shills know the schedule and come swarming in only when they expect articles to be published. It's not like their handlers are going to pay them for 24/7 trolling after all, they're business-minded people concerned about the bottom line, and off-hours 'grassroots' trolling isn't financially viable to them.
2012-08-01 01:16:11 AM  
3 votes:

Sqrxz:

Pathetic joke = publishing this comment from Reid that could have been completely fabricated and treating it like it could be more than halfway true. Yes, Romney hasn't released his taxes, and that raises suspicion, but have some discretion about what you publish. If John Boehner tomorrow says that he heard from a source in the White House that President Obama has cheated on his wife, should that be reported as NEWS? No. There must be a distinction between OPINIONS, which are fine to disseminate, and FALSE ("evidence not needed because obvious or we want to believe") "FACTS".

Informed opinions and facts are for news. False "facts" are for tabloids. MSM is no longer news but a tabloid with news on page 4.


If John Boehner says he heard Obama cheated on his wife, there's literally no way for Obama to prove that isn't true. If Harry Reid says Romney paid no taxes, there's a pretty simple way for Romney to prove him wrong.

Not to mention that Romney's (and other wealthy Americans') tax rates are slightly more relevant to the election than Obama's fidelity.

I'm not saying what Reid said wasn't political, calculated, and possibly part of a concerted effort to keep at least part of the media's focus on Romney's mysterious tax returns. But at least it's somewhat germane to the conversation, and something that can be easily repudiated, should Romney choose to.

Accusing your opponent of something which has no bearing on his record or ability to govern, in the complete absence of any evidence of guilt, and which is impossible to completely disprove, is not equvalent at all to what we are discussing here.
2012-08-01 12:19:27 AM  
3 votes:

Three Crooked Squirrels: Lsherm: czei: Sure, Mitt can release his tax returns, but then how do we know that they're *really* his tax returns? They could be easily faked, so maybe we should get some county Sheriff to look 'em over just to make sure.

Seriously, though, Romney doesn't need to release them, all it'll take is a question at the debates that brings up the subject, where either the moderator flat out asks each candidate how much they paid in taxes, or Obama says "I've paid 30% in taxes for decades", how about you?

Small point of correction, but Obama didn't pay 30%, either. I haven't gone through all of his tax returns, but he's still paying less than the average American. However, he's almost certainly paying more than Romney.

Your own article says he pays much more than the average American. He paid slightly less than the average 1%er because he gave a bunch to charity.


The Mormon church is not a "charity" it is a hate group masquerading as a church.

/see Prop. 8 in California if you don't believe me
2012-07-31 11:47:43 PM  
3 votes:

Ambivalence: FlashHarry: whatever it is, clearly mittens thinks the political fallout for not releasing his returns is preferable to the fallout that would come from releasing them.

Either way, it's a darn interesting "no-win" situation from a guy who's essentially been running for president for YEARS. What the heck was he thinking?


He was thinking "I'm a millionaire because I'm the most awesome motherfarker on the planet. Of course I'm going to win, and no one is going to question anything about me, because didn't you just hear me? I'm the most awesome motherfarker on the planet. Of course I'm going to win."

The guy is so separated from reality he literally has no idea what it's like to be challenged. He's lived a life of privilege from the very beginning. People have always been yes-men to him, because he's always had money. I sincerely doubt anyone in his entire life has ever said "no" to him until now.
2012-07-31 11:40:35 PM  
3 votes:
The GOP could have nominated some faux-everyman with maybe a few mil in the bank, and they could have kept the "rich pay too much!" insanity going through the election. Instead, they nominated Richie Rich who is paying impossibly low tax rates that the average American can only dream of. How many jobs did Romney "create" with all of those tax breaks? How can a guy who paid little-to-no taxes say the rich are still paying too much?
2012-07-31 11:39:20 PM  
3 votes:

LarryDan43: When Romney is President he and his rich friends will teach us how to make money too.


Step 1: Be born with an excessive amount of cash.
Step 2: Loan that excess to other people, with contractually obligated repayment backed up by the Federal court system
Step 3: Complain about socialism keeping you down.
Step 4: Rake in the Riches, continue to Step 1
2012-07-31 11:37:01 PM  
3 votes:
I'll bet Gingrich and Santorum are kicking themselves for not pushing Rmoney harder on this during the primaries. This is not the sort of issue which should be coming to light heading into the convention.
2012-07-31 11:24:59 PM  
3 votes:
Propasaurus: I do think it is a valid point, and I think they are afraid to discuss it precisely because it is valid. I was inartfully addressing Envirodude's assertion that libs are attacking the fact that he legally followed the tax code. That's not what will hurt Romney. What will hurt Romney is a concrete example of the tax code allowing the ultrarich to legally pay low rates while at the same time, the ultrarich guy is complaining that taxes are too high
on the rich. That's a conversation they don't want to have.

Mugato: exactly.
2012-07-31 11:05:02 PM  
3 votes:

Three Crooked Squirrels: EnviroDude: so the leader of the Senate that gets his money from insider trading and favors from his contributors, the guy that has his sons working as lobbiests, the guy that made millions in real estate from political favors is attacking the rich guy for adhering to a tax code that is written by the Senate the leader heads. and democrats are outraged at Romney?

Personally, I am disgusted by all the sleeze in politics, both sides, which is why I favor public funding of elections. But on the topic of Romney's returns, I don't think he did anything illegal. At least I doubt he did. There is the possibility of 2009 amnesty. But if that isn't in there, I think the reason he is hiding the returns is because he paid ridiculously low rates in certain years and they are afraid to have a discussion about tax fairness. They are afraid of ads saying "in 2008, Mitt Romney was worth a quarter of a billion dollars and paid a 2.4% tax rate. What did you pay in 2008?"


And you don't think that's a valid point?
2012-07-31 09:44:40 PM  
3 votes:

Lsherm: I haven't gone through all of his tax returns



And at least you CAN go through his tax returns, since he's release 10+ years of them.
2012-07-31 09:00:03 PM  
3 votes:

kronicfeld: cameroncrazy1984: It wasn't "some people." According to Reid it was a Bain investor.

Hearsay within hearsay. Come on.


There's a really easy way for Mitt to prove him wrong.
2012-07-31 07:45:09 PM  
3 votes:

wejash: The "I didn't pay any taxes -- and that proves how farked up our Tax Code is BUT ALSO how smart I am!" ad practically writes itself. Who doesn't cheer for someone sneaky enough to get away with something completely legally, at some level?


Um...the people who can't afford to give 10% of their income to their church and write it off. Who can't afford a dressage horse or cayman island bank accounts? These are loopholes that the rich exploit becuase they're not practical to be exploited by anyone else.

And that may rub the filthy masses the wrong way because they inevitably have to take up the slack for what the rich don't pay. (at least if the GOP gets their way)
2012-07-31 04:35:47 PM  
3 votes:

FlashHarry: whatever it is, clearly mittens thinks the political fallout for not releasing his returns is preferable to the fallout that would come from releasing them.


And why shouldn't he? The GOP knows that our main stream media have the attention span of a 3 year old with ADD. They know that by the time the debates come around this issue will be so old that it won't even come up.

Our media organizations are a pathetic joke.
2012-07-31 04:31:52 PM  
3 votes:

Ambivalence: FlashHarry: whatever it is, clearly mittens thinks the political fallout for not releasing his returns is preferable to the fallout that would come from releasing them.

Either way, it's a darn interesting "no-win" situation from a guy who's essentially been running for president for YEARS. What the heck was he thinking?


this is what i don't get. and it's amazing he's gotten this far.

but he did release them to the mccain campaign when they were vetting him for veep - and they picked palin. that should tell you everything you need to know.
2012-08-01 08:08:03 AM  
2 votes:
He's hiding something that's worse for his campaign than taking the heat for not releasing them, at any rate...

I'll bet not paying any taxes is the least of it.
2012-08-01 02:38:53 AM  
2 votes:

Ambivalence: FlashHarry: whatever it is, clearly mittens thinks the political fallout for not releasing his returns is preferable to the fallout that would come from releasing them.

Either way, it's a darn interesting "no-win" situation from a guy who's essentially been running for president for YEARS. What the heck was he thinking?


GOPers went apeshiat back in 2009 when Obama nominated Geithner who had some tax issues. It will be fun to see how they spin their way out of Mitt not paying taxes for 10 years.
2012-08-01 02:10:51 AM  
2 votes:

Loucifer: You know you're a biatch if Harry Reid can slap you around.


Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!

Can you farking imagine what the right-wingers would be doing if the situation was reversed and Obama was refusing to disclose his tax returns?

It would be nuclear powered DERP to the power of infinity all day long until he released them.

Looking at the polls I'd say Romney has gotten off pretty light so far.
2012-08-01 01:53:40 AM  
2 votes:

Ambivalence: Sure he would. Especially if he thought he could get by without anyone knowing it (which he clearly thinks he can).



New precedents were set by Palin in 2008 regarding how many secrets a politician running for major office can keep. Palin never gave a single open press conference during her campaign. She never released her medical records. And she got away with it, and successfully turned Republican voters against the news media.

So Rmoney's going to play that card, ignoring the American press on his little tour of the UK and Israel, and openly telling them to go to hell in Poland today. He'll try to avoid taking clear positions on major issues, and he'll see how much of his business career he can keep a secret, while simultaneously touting his business experience as a reason we should vote for him.

I think what Reid did today was brilliant. Want to keep your financial dealings a secret from the American people? We'll just speculate wildly about what's in them, then.
2012-08-01 01:53:40 AM  
2 votes:

Nadie_AZ: But I'll ask: if he paid no taxes, why didn't he create far more jobs than anybody else?


He did. In China and India.
2012-08-01 01:47:11 AM  
2 votes:

Lenny_da_Hog: The Larch: I want it to be true, but it probably isn't true.

Yeah. Reid is just putting some heat on him. It's probably something embarrassing in his returns, but I don't think Mitt would run for president if he had paid no taxes.


Sure he would. Especially if he thought he could get by without anyone knowing it (which he clearly thinks he can).
2012-08-01 01:32:17 AM  
2 votes:

kronicfeld: Hearsay within hearsay. Come on.


Come on yourself. Hearsay and "gut feeling" was more than enough for you assholes to invade Iraq. Now suddenly it's not good enough?
2012-08-01 12:43:32 AM  
2 votes:

bugontherug: FlashHarry: whatever it is, clearly mittens thinks the political fallout for not releasing his returns is preferable to the fallout that would come from releasing them.

His campaign could plausibly survive the fallout from revelation that he paid no or very low taxes for ten years. What couldn't survive is the right-wing meme that "Job Creators are overtaxed." That in turn would defeat the whole purpose of putting a Republican in the White House, which is to create more tax loopholes and subsidies for the uber-rich, all the while cutting public assistance for everyone else.


The whole 'job creator' meme needs to die. Until it does, it only serves the purpose of pointing out the economically ignorant, if they use that phrase seriously.
2012-08-01 12:39:14 AM  
2 votes:

farkityfarker: On a side note, I'm really curious to know if Obama knows what Romney's hiding.


It beggars belief that there isn't someone on McCain's team who saw the returns and has passed on the goodies.

Human nature to want to boast about "I know ...." plus dislike of Romney

So very high probability that Obama knows, but he doesn't want to be seen as slinging unsubstantiated mud.

So you'd think he'd find someone to act as a stalking horse ... oh wait
2012-08-01 12:37:43 AM  
2 votes:

FlashHarry: whatever it is, clearly mittens thinks the political fallout for not releasing his returns is preferable to the fallout that would come from releasing them.


His campaign could plausibly survive the fallout from revelation that he paid no or very low taxes for ten years. What couldn't survive is the right-wing meme that "Job Creators are overtaxed." That in turn would defeat the whole purpose of putting a Republican in the White House, which is to create more tax loopholes and subsidies for the uber-rich, all the while cutting public assistance for everyone else.
2012-08-01 12:05:43 AM  
2 votes:

mrEdude: EXACTLY.

He buys up American companies, trashes them to make a buck, puts people out of work...

then takes his cash and siphons it out of the USA without even paying a fair share to the country he pretends to love.


The fact this turd is running for president is farking scary. He's the ENEMY.


Most the voting populace just doesn't care.

They do not, and will never, look past whatever letter is next to their name.
They are straight ticket and damn proud of it.

There is only one way Obama can lose. And he may very well lose. That is when (out of regular voters) all the (R)s faithfully show up to vote and only 80% of the (D)s do.

GO VOTE

OR THAT SMARMY TAX DODGING BILLIONAIRE (worth 250mil? yeah, ok...) IS GOING TO BE YOUR NEXT PRESIDENT

AND JUST LIKE BUSH, HE'LL LOCK US IN A NEW WAR TO SECURE THE 2ND TERM
2012-07-31 11:34:36 PM  
2 votes:
The Republicans are so in the pocket of the robber barons that it's not even like they picked their nominee.

He picked them.

/pathetic
2012-07-31 11:06:01 PM  
2 votes:

Three Crooked Squirrels: But on the topic of Romney's returns, I don't think he did anything illegal


Probably not illegal. But that says more about our tax laws than his ethics.
2012-07-31 10:46:14 PM  
2 votes:

czei: Seriously, though, Romney doesn't need to release them, all it'll take is a question at the debates that brings up the subject, where either the moderator flat out asks each candidate how much they paid in taxes, or Obama says "I've paid 30% in taxes for decades", how about you?


Obama should casually state that he pays his fair, unlike his opponent who for several years paid zero in taxes. Just drop it on his head like a goddamn bag of hammers. Mitt will get flustered, and pretty much his only defense would be "if you saw my taxes, you'd know that I've never payed zero in taxes," which would lead to one of the most awkward moments in debate history. The alternative is to admonish Obama for saying something uncalled for, but whoever does that in a debate always looks bad.

Romney could always bet him $10,000 that he's paid all his taxes.
2012-07-31 09:47:05 PM  
2 votes:
I've just uncovered a lost Philip K. Dick novel: "Do Androids Pay Any Taxes At All?"
2012-07-31 09:29:18 PM  
2 votes:

Ambivalence: wejash: The "I didn't pay any taxes -- and that proves how farked up our Tax Code is BUT ALSO how smart I am!" ad practically writes itself. Who doesn't cheer for someone sneaky enough to get away with something completely legally, at some level?

Um...the people who can't afford to give 10% of their income to their church and write it off. Who can't afford a dressage horse or cayman island bank accounts? These are loopholes that the rich exploit becuase they're not practical to be exploited by anyone else.

And that may rub the filthy masses the wrong way because they inevitably have to take up the slack for what the rich don't pay. (at least if the GOP gets their way)


Wait, you can write off money you give to a religious institution? I think I found a way to fund my retirement. I'll start a church and give write offs to my congregation for sir donations. If I declare myself the Grand Poobah can my salary be tax exempt too?
2012-07-31 09:13:34 PM  
2 votes:

gilgigamesh: I think it is more likely this, which is just as bad. And it fits the facts as we know them.


EG:
-- That he had a Swiss bank account
-- That it was closed in 2010
-- That it was with UBS
-- That the IRS amnesty was in 2009
-- That UBS was the bank at the center of the disclosures that formed the basis of the Amnesty
-- That of the 3000+ account holders who talked to the IRS in 2009, on the order of 100 had let the IRS know about the accounts previously.

propasaurus: I think it's great. 'I'm not saying... I'm just saying.'


A bit more class than claiming Mitt Romney's taxes raped and murdered a girl in 2009.
2012-07-31 07:24:16 PM  
2 votes:

Bontesla: Bladel: Considering how much mileage they are getting out of the "you didn't build that" lie, the Dems might as well go ahead and run with this.

And if it isn't true, well Mitt can always release his taxes to prove them wrong....

What's amazing is that Rmoney feels this is preferred to actually releasing his returns.


He still probably thinks people won't care enough for it to matter. and maybe for some that's true, but it is still several months until election and this kind of thing can erode his support. How can people trust a man who keeps these kinds of secrets?
Byn
2012-07-31 06:22:22 PM  
2 votes:
I doubt Reid believes it himself, but damn if it's not a really good way to force Mitt to prove that he's wrong.

Well played, Harry. Well played.
2012-07-31 05:04:00 PM  
2 votes:

Nadie_AZ: Bain Investor Told Me That Mitt Romney 'Didn't Pay Any Taxes For 10 Years'

If this is true, Romney is beyond toast when he finally does release his Tax Returns. Well, for everyone but Team GOP. They'll love him more.

But I'll ask: if he paid no taxes, why didn't he create far more jobs than anybody else?


Regulations.

And really, if he'd paid more taxes, that would disqualify him from being President.
Because Americans want someone who will do the bare minimum and no more.
2012-07-31 04:55:08 PM  
2 votes:

Dogberry: What a wonderful variation on "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" Well played.


actually, it's a classic use of "weasel words." fox does it all the time: "there are those who say that the president is a communist pedophile." they're not saying... they're just saying...
2012-07-31 04:33:27 PM  
2 votes:
Mitt Romney kicked a nun in the teeth and then got a tax credit for shoe repair.
2012-08-01 01:08:34 PM  
1 votes:

bhcompy: Lernaeus: So, did Mitt Romney allegedly pay not taxes because of tax loopholes? If so, blame Charlie Rangel.

Tax evasion is another thing entirely.

/Real evasion, not legal deductions liberals love to spin into criminal tax evasion.
//Not supporting Romney or anything; just trying to cut through the bullsh*t.

Exactly, and it seems that this isn't clear. Probably ambiguous so people think he is doing something illegal


I wonder why anyone would think Romney is hiding something?
2012-08-01 11:42:32 AM  
1 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: How can a guy who paid little-to-no taxes say the rich are still paying too much?


Because the government should be giving him money. Because jobs, or something.

/and no, that's not welfare. It's only welfare when poor people get money.
2012-08-01 10:13:25 AM  
1 votes:
Romney may not be worried about people knowing what he hid from the government so much as his church knowing what he hid from them.
2012-08-01 09:56:31 AM  
1 votes:
Unfounded accusations aren't as fun when they're leveled against your guy, eh GOP?
2012-08-01 09:50:48 AM  
1 votes:

Sqrxz: Dinki: FlashHarry: whatever it is, clearly mittens thinks the political fallout for not releasing his returns is preferable to the fallout that would come from releasing them.

And why shouldn't he? The GOP knows that our main stream media have the attention span of a 3 year old with ADD. They know that by the time the debates come around this issue will be so old that it won't even come up.

Our media organizations are a pathetic joke.

Pathetic joke = publishing this comment from Reid that could have been completely fabricated and treating it like it could be more than halfway true. Yes, Romney hasn't released his taxes, and that raises suspicion, but have some discretion about what you publish. If John Boehner tomorrow says that he heard from a source in the White House that President Obama has cheated on his wife, should that be reported as NEWS? No. There must be a distinction between OPINIONS, which are fine to disseminate, and FALSE ("evidence not needed because obvious or we want to believe") "FACTS".

Informed opinions and facts are for news. False "facts" are for tabloids. MSM is no longer news but a tabloid with news on page 4.


Yea, the MSM is full of it!

Good thing I watch Fox News, where I can get the *real* truth!

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2012-08-01 09:44:09 AM  
1 votes:

imontheinternet: mainstreet62: Brandyelf: This discussion is nice, but.... where are Romney's tax returns? If he didn't do anything wrong, there's a simple way to fix this.

Right? I mean, it worked for Oba----wait a minute....

OK, so maybe Birthers still farked that chicken all the way down to the subatomic level after the birth certificate was released. Whatever

Obama released the document the idiot Birthers wanted. Most politicians released several years of their tax records, almost certainly every other candidate has except for Mitt Romney.

It is crystal clear that Romney has something to hide.

The key difference between Obama's birth certificate and Romney's tax returns is that withholding his birth certificate for so long actually helped Obama. It sent the teabaggers into a frenzy, alienating moderates and independents who almost universally thought the whole thing was a ridiculous sideshow.

Romney, OTOH, is going to be burned badly for not releasing his returns. Obama will set the narrative that he's a rich empty suit, who was only successful because he was born into wealth and the rules didn't apply to him. Refusing to disclose the same documents that everybody else has disclosed for decades will play into that narrative.

Of course, without knowing what's in the returns, it's impossible to say whether this is a smart move. If he really didn't pay taxes for ten years, that would be a good reason to withhold them, even knowing all the heat he's going to take.


Completely agree. There is zero political advantage in withholding tax returns, but holding that birth certificate for so long was a master stroke, especially since 1 week later Obama issued the order that took out Osama Bin Laden. Those 2 events stacked nicely.
2012-08-01 09:42:18 AM  
1 votes:

randomjsa: I'm not saying that Harry Reid has been involved in shady land deals where he used his power and influence to make a killing...

No wait, I am saying that because its true.


So true that you'd only be too happy to cite the shady deals you're referring to, correct?
2012-08-01 09:41:00 AM  
1 votes:

mainstreet62: Brandyelf: This discussion is nice, but.... where are Romney's tax returns? If he didn't do anything wrong, there's a simple way to fix this.

Right? I mean, it worked for Oba----wait a minute....

OK, so maybe Birthers still farked that chicken all the way down to the subatomic level after the birth certificate was released. Whatever

Obama released the document the idiot Birthers wanted. Most politicians released several years of their tax records, almost certainly every other candidate has except for Mitt Romney.

It is crystal clear that Romney has something to hide.


The key difference between Obama's birth certificate and Romney's tax returns is that withholding his birth certificate for so long actually helped Obama. It sent the teabaggers into a frenzy, alienating moderates and independents who almost universally thought the whole thing was a ridiculous sideshow.

Romney, OTOH, is going to be burned badly for not releasing his returns. Obama will set the narrative that he's a rich empty suit, who was only successful because he was born into wealth and the rules didn't apply to him. Refusing to disclose the same documents that everybody else has disclosed for decades will play into that narrative.

Of course, without knowing what's in the returns, it's impossible to say whether this is a smart move. If he really didn't pay taxes for ten years, that would be a good reason to withhold them, even knowing all the heat he's going to take.
2012-08-01 09:30:21 AM  
1 votes:

Brandyelf: This discussion is nice, but.... where are Romney's tax returns? If he didn't do anything wrong, there's a simple way to fix this.


Right? I mean, it worked for Oba----wait a minute....

OK, so maybe Birthers still farked that chicken all the way down to the subatomic level after the birth certificate was released. Whatever

Obama released the document the idiot Birthers wanted. Most politicians released several years of their tax records, almost certainly every other candidate has except for Mitt Romney.

It is crystal clear that Romney has something to hide.
2012-08-01 09:27:19 AM  
1 votes:

Brandyelf: This discussion is nice, but.... where are Romney's tax returns? If he didn't do anything wrong, there's a simple way to fix this.


Well, he has them, but they're written on golden plates.

And he's not allowed to show them to anyone else.

But he'll tell you exactly what's in them.

Trust him.
2012-08-01 09:24:17 AM  
1 votes:
This discussion is nice, but.... where are Romney's tax returns? If he didn't do anything wrong, there's a simple way to fix this.
2012-08-01 08:45:04 AM  
1 votes:
The missing Olympic records, the computers in MA, Bain and not-Bain, and inadequate tax records.

Obama will just easily paint Romney as secretive and untrustworthy in October.
2012-08-01 08:39:21 AM  
1 votes:

GameSprocket: Riothamus: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: If you idiots are done arguing with the poor, persecuted little troll...

Oh, come on, it's fun! How often can I honestly brand someone as a heretic?

It's great to see Harry freaking Reid hand Mr. Money Tit his internal organs using birther tactics.

Even more, he's using birther tactics to raise questions on an actual goddamned relevant issue. I think Mr. Reid might be learning something.

I find these kinds of unverifiable attacks distasteful, but it would be easy enough to disprove. Since Romney seems unwilling to provide the truth, He leaves himself open to any attack that anyone wants to make.

Romney donated $1 million to Planned Parenthood three years ago.
Romney had over a billion dollars, but game most of it to the Michigan Neo Nazis.
Romney claimed a male spouse in 2010.

We could have all sorts of fun.


Oh please, those are all verifiable due to the tax returns. You can shut those down immediately.

Here's an example of an unverifiable true birther-style attack.


"I heard from a reliable source that leveraged buyouts involve a ritual known as 'sealing the deal' wherein the CEO of the dominant company performs oral sex on the CEO from the captured company as a means of equalizing humiliation. As CEO of Bain Capital, Mitt Romney may have 'sealed the deal' on dozens of occasions. So far he hasn't denied performing oral sex on other men...."
2012-08-01 08:23:35 AM  
1 votes:
I am waiting for the commercial to come out with average citizens holding up their taxes and making the statement "I paid my share and I am not afraid to show it!" and then another "I paid my share and I am not afraid to show it!" and another "I paid my share and I am not afraid to show it!" with A scroll across the bottom of the screen. "why does Rmoney refuse to show his tax returns?

This message brought to you by every American tax payer.

Seems obvious enough, fits in a 30 second sound bite and should drive home the message?
2012-08-01 08:01:17 AM  
1 votes:
i981.photobucket.com
2012-08-01 07:56:48 AM  
1 votes:
Here's what I love so much about this - it's the Birther argument thrown back in their faces.

Reid has made a claim he can't possible substantiate (Romney's taxes were born in Kenya, or something like that) and that anyone in Romney's inner circle will deny. That denial will produce a chorus of, "Well, you have the proof. You could shut us up forever about this. All you have to do is release the documents we're asking for..."

And then Romney will poop in his magic underwear.
2012-08-01 07:46:55 AM  
1 votes:
When Harry Reid's balls have dropped on a subject, it's a pretty safe bet there's a good chance he's right or knows he'll never be proven wrong. The guy simply doesn't take risks.

This is the second time in a week or so he's said something like this. Either he really knows this to be true, and he really knows Romney will never ever release his taxes so he can't be proven wrong.

Either way...I'm OK with this.
2012-08-01 07:35:09 AM  
1 votes:
fark it, I'm willing to see Ron Paul at this point get the nod on the convention floor just to see this farking Arthur Miller tragedy play out to its better end, with Romney eating a bullet after being used up like fruit, crying "My God, why don't they like me?"
2012-08-01 07:08:38 AM  
1 votes:
I think everybody is being really limiting here. I think there are LOTS of shadiness in his tax returns.

Swiss bank account amnesty? - THERE
Obscenely low tax rates? - THERE
Zero taxes paid in some years? - THERE
Cayman and Bermuda tax shelters? - ALL THERE

If the campaign only had to deal with one of these things, the political fallout would probably be manageable. Combined, it tells a devastating story that plays perfectly into the Obama narrative of a wealthy sleaze screwing the rest of us.

Those returns will never see the light of day.
2012-08-01 06:57:43 AM  
1 votes:

walkingtall: This is going to be a sad time. Far far reaching expansions of government power. More and more debt. More and more waste and corruption. 10-20% unemployment. Another recession. Maybe a depression. Hard times are a coming boys and girls. The rich are already jumping ship like rats leaving a sinking ship. Liberalism will rule the halls of power for the next 4 years. Unopposed and unchecked


It won't be a sad time for me, or even you. You will have to try extra hard to find things to whinge about this time around, if you don't want to sound twice as ridiculous as you do now.
2012-08-01 06:55:25 AM  
1 votes:

God-is-a-Taco: "His poor father must be so embarrassed about his son,"

Romney sucks and he would be terrible for the world, but that quote is a bit too much.


Yeah, Reid should have gotten one of his aides to say it. Mitt would respect that.
2012-08-01 06:46:06 AM  
1 votes:
Good move on Reid's part. Romney's caught between a rock and a hard place. If he's hiding his finances because he used a tax loophole for ten years, he'll either release the info or be a liar. And if it's worse than not paying taxes, if it's something illegal, he'll be indicted while he's campaigning for president.

The latter is what I think is going on. I think there's something in there that may lead to charges and Romney's hoping to ride out the election without releasing the info. In fact, what if his entire motivation to become president is merely to put himself in a position to quash any investigation into his finances? It certainly would explain his complete lack of enthusiasm or finesse on the campaign trail. All he's doing is showing up for work and trying to gain access to the shredder.
2012-08-01 06:15:48 AM  
1 votes:

kapaso: EnviroDude: so the leader of the Senate that gets his money from insider trading and favors from his contributors, the guy that has his sons working as lobbiests, the guy that made millions in real estate from political favors is attacking the rich guy for adhering to a tax code that is written by the Senate the leader heads. and democrats are outraged at Romney?

We don't know if Romney adhered to the tax code or not. I'm assuming not, otherwise he wouldn't be hiding his returns now would he?


Well, we do know Romney didn't pay anything in 2009. Republicans have told him to release another year or two and be done with it, to which he responded that doing so would sink his campaign.
2012-08-01 06:00:17 AM  
1 votes:

walkingtall: sillydragon: Great, well...examples? And no, assholes exist everywhere, even in my precious liberal world. And most of those don't sound like death threats, they just sound like someone thinks you should die

When someone writes and I quote "I cannot WAIT to throw you to the lions so you will know what real persectution is" or "You and your children and everyone that believes as you do are the cause of the world being crap and we should kill all of you to remove your beliefs from humanity" is both telling me I need to die as you say and a veiled threat that if I dont get in line someday the day will come when you will be killed. That is a threat. Im not sure what you would call it but you seem to want to use semantics to lessen what has been said to me. I dont care what you want to call it, it is wrong.


Those aren't actual death threats.

A death threat is something like "Mr. Johnson, I will kill you!"

You're thinking more along these lines...

farm2.staticflickr.com

And being a religious conservative is nothing to be proud of. It's practically a guarantee that you'll find yourself on the wrong side of history.

Learn the Beatitudes. Live them. There is nothing conservative about what the living Christ actually preached.
2012-08-01 04:35:01 AM  
1 votes:

brianbankerus: He'll never release them. No way. Whatever it is is bad. So bad it makes this unending beating seem merciful.

I wonder if his campaign staff follow online comments. You know, to understand the independents. I hope they do and I hope it depresses them appropriately.


I hope they do (if they do their jobs they do)

And I hope while doing their jobs they realize they are selling this nation down the river. (a turn of phrase as appropriate to the 99% now as it ever was to anyone)

Hopefully the patriotic among them will jump ship and while doing so throw their morsels of incriminating truth to us like so many Palin staffers.
2012-08-01 03:44:11 AM  
1 votes:

Sabyen91: JerseyTim: I'm also sticking with the "really, really undertithed" theory.

I will still stick with the "took advantage of amnesty for illegal offshore accounts".


Both of THESE.

I understand that the GOP have given Mitt "his turn" here and don't really expect him to win but even with that understood they couldn't have picked a worse candidate to oppose Obama on the issues of both taxes and healthcare.

WTF were they thinking?

/Yeah, it's the down ticket races being bought with post CU cash that will be the real story this election.
2012-08-01 03:40:54 AM  
1 votes:

rubi_con_man: Actually, if there is nothing wrong with his taxes, it's a massive win to keep the Democrats focused on them, and then release them in mid-October when ... SURPRISE ... there is no there there.



Rmoney gave away his motivation for not releasing his returns when he talked about his fear that the Democrats would twist and distort their contents for political gain. There is definitely some red meat in there. I also think that since he was getting a savage beat-down over Bain two weeks ago, releasing his returns then would have been like dumping jet fuel onto the fire.

What Reid did today was great. Hold Rmoney's feet to the fire if he wants to keep things from the American people.
2012-08-01 03:31:20 AM  
1 votes:

Ambivalence: He still probably thinks people won't care enough for it to matter. and maybe for some that's true, but it is still several months until election and this kind of thing can erode his support. How can people trust a man who keeps these kinds of secrets?


Actually, if there is nothing wrong with his taxes, it's a massive win to keep the Democrats focused on them, and then release them in mid-October when ... SURPRISE ... there is no there there.

But I genuinely believe that he simply doesn't want to stoke a conversation about how little the rich pay "as required by law" when still making a stupendously big income. Most people make income by selling their labor. This income is taxed at a certain rate, depending on the rate of pay they get (those who make more, pay a higher percentage)

But what if you don't work? What if you live off the salted away proceeds of past years? What if you lend your money to others and get a return on it? Should you pay less? For doing less work and making more money? Especially if they have the ability to induce the kind of extreme risk-taking that killed the economy ... in order that they might NOT work and still enjoy a high quality of life?
2012-08-01 02:13:18 AM  
1 votes:

acefox1: Loucifer: You know you're a biatch if Harry Reid can slap you around.

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!

Can you farking imagine what the right-wingers would be doing if the situation was reversed and Obama was refusing to disclose his tax returns?

It would be nuclear powered DERP to the power of infinity all day long until he released them.

Looking at the polls I'd say Romney has gotten off pretty light so far.


What, you mean Conservatives have a double-standard when it comes to their own candidates? Surely you jest?
2012-08-01 01:50:28 AM  
1 votes:

Lenny_da_Hog: The Larch: I want it to be true, but it probably isn't true.

Yeah. Reid is just putting some heat on him. It's probably something embarrassing in his returns, but I don't think Mitt would run for president if he had paid no taxes.


I can't recall a single instance of Harry Reid bluffing or exaggerating . Harry Reid has spent decades earning a reputation for calm understatement.
2012-08-01 01:22:49 AM  
1 votes:

StopLurkListen: [i782.photobucket.com image 90x88]
"Ratfarking" is a proud Republican tradition.

The 'Bain Investor' could be a fake, delivering the goods to Reid to get Reid to announce "I have this information, that Romney did 'X'." Then the "truth" could come out, making Reid look 1. Like complete ass 2. Wrong 3. Innoculate Romney from any further accusations.

C'mon, people. TANG/Rather wasn't that long ago.

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Not really an issue. Reid's "just asking questions" to get the Tax returns back in the news. Because as bad and as dedicated as the 25%ers are (you know, the 25% that still said Bush was doing a good job in 2008) things like Romney not paying taxes convince some of them to NOT VOTE. They'll never vote for a democrat, but if you play it right sometimes they won't vote at all.

And that's a win.
2012-08-01 01:02:47 AM  
1 votes:
None of the Fark conservatives are ironically (considering a lot of them are birthers) defending Romney on this? You guys are slipping.
2012-08-01 01:02:04 AM  
1 votes:
Is it possible for private citizen Romney to be impeached before the election?
2012-08-01 12:54:56 AM  
1 votes:
Is it too late to vote for Palin? (kidding.. sort of)
I'm an indie. I vote by the same mind-set as to who I'd hire for any job.
I'd be happy if there were a hundred people to give Obama a run for his money.
I'd not hire Romney to manage my grocery bills much less balance the US natioal budget.

/Romney's the best you got? Might want to re-group... maybe even step aside. Why do you even continue with this stuffed suit? This is not a game.
2012-08-01 12:54:05 AM  
1 votes:

Ambivalence: wejash: The "I didn't pay any taxes -- and that proves how farked up our Tax Code is BUT ALSO how smart I am!" ad practically writes itself. Who doesn't cheer for someone sneaky enough to get away with something completely legally, at some level?

Um...the people who can't afford to give 10% of their income to their church and write it off. Who can't afford a dressage horse or cayman island bank accounts? These are loopholes that the rich exploit becuase they're not practical to be exploited by anyone else.

And that may rub the filthy masses the wrong way because they inevitably have to take up the slack for what the rich don't pay. (at least if the GOP gets their way)


The election battle is in the middle class white guy group. Romney can't quite get enough of them to win outright based on the economy. And he doesn't have the "buddy" quality that works. But pulling off a "hey, I didn't pay taxes, and I'll help you get away with something too!" thing might work for him in that demographic.

In all seriousness, who does he LOSE who he was going to win otherwise because he didn't pay taxes? If blue collar white guys with minimal education vote in people willing to destroy unions then there's plenty of reason to assume these guys might ALSO elect a guy who promises to screw them on taxes while not paying any himself.

I don't think he has the courage to try this sort of approach but I don't see it's any riskier than some of the other things that don't work for him now.
2012-08-01 12:50:08 AM  
1 votes:
He'll never release them. No way. Whatever it is is bad. So bad it makes this unending beating seem merciful.

I wonder if his campaign staff follow online comments. You know, to understand the independents. I hope they do and I hope it depresses them appropriately.
2012-08-01 12:27:39 AM  
1 votes:

farkityfarker: On a side note, I'm really curious to know if Obama knows what Romney's hiding.


Well, I went digging and found out that the Commissioner of the IRS is a 5 year appointment, so unlikely a Bush holdover would help him. But, I still get the feeling he knows. He has to. He's got a whole network of people within and outside the government to find out this kind of stuff. Legally or illegally, these words have no place. I'm thinking he's got to know.

However, I did find this pretty nugget of info on the IRS wiki page...

Reporter Jack White of The Providence Journal, won the Pulitzer Prize for reporting about Nixon's tax returns. Nixon, with a salary of $200,000, paid $792.81 in federal income tax in 1970 and $878.03 in 1971, with deductions of $571,000 for donating "vice-presidential papers".[10] This was one of the reasons for his famous statement: "Well, I'm not a crook. I've earned everything I've got."

Sound's pretty f*cking familiar.
2012-08-01 12:26:22 AM  
1 votes:

my lip balm addiction: Lsherm: Three Crooked Squirrels: Lsherm: czei: Sure, Mitt can release his tax returns, but then how do we know that they're *really* his tax returns? They could be easily faked, so maybe we should get some county Sheriff to look 'em over just to make sure.

Seriously, though, Romney doesn't need to release them, all it'll take is a question at the debates that brings up the subject, where either the moderator flat out asks each candidate how much they paid in taxes, or Obama says "I've paid 30% in taxes for decades", how about you?

Small point of correction, but Obama didn't pay 30%, either. I haven't gone through all of his tax returns, but he's still paying less than the average American. However, he's almost certainly paying more than Romney.

Your own article says he pays much more than the average American. He paid slightly less than the average 1%er because he gave a bunch to charity.

OK, fair enough. But he didn't pay 30%.

Fine, he didn't pay 30%. But of the two of them, Obama is the only one trying to get the wealthy to carry their weight so this country can get back on its feet again. Romney is trying to figure out how he can keep ALL of his skin out of the game, and how to take some of your skin too.


How much Obama paid is irrelevant.

What's relevant is that we know how much he paid. We have no idea how much Romney paid.
2012-08-01 12:22:52 AM  
1 votes:

farkityfarker: On a side note, I'm really curious to know if Obama knows what Romney's hiding.


A guy like romney has many many people who know about his finances. Of course they could never talk about them legally, but a back room conversation seems likely. I would bet Obama knows, along with just about everybody in Washington dc at this point. Hell at least few dozen people at the IRS know for sure and their are many ways to to tell something without actually saying it outright. Romney is an idiot of he thinks he can count on everyone to keep his secrets.
2012-08-01 12:18:20 AM  
1 votes:

AkaDad: If only there was a way Romney could end all this speculation...


I'm guessing that he realizes that releasing the returns would end his hopes for winning the election. So he's going to try to ride it out instead.
2012-08-01 12:16:22 AM  
1 votes:
The Romney campaign's press secretary, Andrea Saul, has previously denied rumors that Romney didn't pay "any taxes at all."

Oh, I'm sure at some point he bought a pack of gum of something and paid sales tax on it.
2012-08-01 12:13:45 AM  
1 votes:
If only there was a way Romney could end all this speculation...
2012-08-01 12:09:32 AM  
1 votes:
On a side note, I'm really curious to know if Obama knows what Romney's hiding.
2012-08-01 12:02:54 AM  
1 votes:

Dinki: FlashHarry: whatever it is, clearly mittens thinks the political fallout for not releasing his returns is preferable to the fallout that would come from releasing them.

And why shouldn't he? The GOP knows that our main stream media have the attention span of a 3 year old with ADD. They know that by the time the debates come around this issue will be so old that it won't even come up.

Our media organizations are a pathetic joke.


Pathetic joke = publishing this comment from Reid that could have been completely fabricated and treating it like it could be more than halfway true. Yes, Romney hasn't released his taxes, and that raises suspicion, but have some discretion about what you publish. If John Boehner tomorrow says that he heard from a source in the White House that President Obama has cheated on his wife, should that be reported as NEWS? No. There must be a distinction between OPINIONS, which are fine to disseminate, and FALSE ("evidence not needed because obvious or we want to believe") "FACTS".

Informed opinions and facts are for news. False "facts" are for tabloids. MSM is no longer news but a tabloid with news on page 4.
2012-07-31 11:59:05 PM  
1 votes:
I wish some sheriff from some dumpy little county would step up and form a cold case posse to interview this Bain leak and see what's up. Also they should stand by to investigate the veracity of any returns released. The Barney Fifier the better.
2012-07-31 11:51:35 PM  
1 votes:
It's just getting worse for Romney.

He won't release them until after the convention.

Of course maybe he'll do it before he announces the VP pick.

When's the convention again?

Actually, more importantly, who is actually attending beside Romney and the second string Republicans?

Oh well, back to speculation on what exactly Romney is hiding.

He should really remember that the human imagination is a powerful thing. The monster you don't see is scarier than something revealed.
2012-07-31 11:50:54 PM  
1 votes:
WHAR TAX RETERNS RMONEY WHAR?
2012-07-31 11:50:50 PM  
1 votes:
On my phone, *every* ad on Fark is a Romney campaign ad. I don't think he'll gain much support from a site with fact-based readers.
2012-07-31 11:49:46 PM  
1 votes:
The sad thing is the fact that if it is shown he paid no taxes for the last ten years -- a good portion of the Republican base will champion that.

:(

/no slahies, too sad
//wait, wut?
2012-07-31 11:47:38 PM  
1 votes:
Romney is terrified of his own tax records. i'm 99.99% sure he didn't break any laws tho, so if he's done nothing illegal Romney should just man up and release his records.
2012-07-31 11:43:57 PM  
1 votes:
Pretty smart move to force Romney's hand -- just say outrageous things that he can only disprove by releasing his tax returns.
2012-07-31 11:18:57 PM  
1 votes:
Three Crooked SquirrelsPersonally, I am disgusted by all the sleeze in politics, both sides, which is why I favor public funding of elections. But on the topic of Romney's returns, I don't think he did anything illegal. At least I doubt he did. There is the possibility of 2009 amnesty. But if that isn't in there, I think the reason he is hiding the returns is because he paid ridiculously low rates in certain years and they are afraid to have a discussion about tax fairness. They are afraid of ads saying "in 2008, Mitt Romney was worth a quarter of a billion dollars and paid a 2.4% tax rate. What did you pay in 2008?"

I am disgusted by all the sleeze in big business. Which is why i favor disclosure by Romney.
2012-07-31 11:00:20 PM  
1 votes:

EnviroDude: so the leader of the Senate that gets his money from insider trading and favors from his contributors, the guy that has his sons working as lobbiests, the guy that made millions in real estate from political favors is attacking the rich guy for adhering to a tax code that is written by the Senate the leader heads. and democrats are outraged at Romney?


Personally, I am disgusted by all the sleeze in politics, both sides, which is why I favor public funding of elections. But on the topic of Romney's returns, I don't think he did anything illegal. At least I doubt he did. There is the possibility of 2009 amnesty. But if that isn't in there, I think the reason he is hiding the returns is because he paid ridiculously low rates in certain years and they are afraid to have a discussion about tax fairness. They are afraid of ads saying "in 2008, Mitt Romney was worth a quarter of a billion dollars and paid a 2.4% tax rate. What did you pay in 2008?"
2012-07-31 11:00:06 PM  
1 votes:

DeltaPunch: czei: Seriously, though, Romney doesn't need to release them, all it'll take is a question at the debates that brings up the subject, where either the moderator flat out asks each candidate how much they paid in taxes, or Obama says "I've paid 30% in taxes for decades", how about you?

Obama should casually state that he pays his fair, unlike his opponent who for several years paid zero in taxes. Just drop it on his head like a goddamn bag of hammers. Mitt will get flustered, and pretty much his only defense would be "if you saw my taxes, you'd know that I've never payed zero in taxes," which would lead to one of the most awkward moments in debate history. The alternative is to admonish Obama for saying something uncalled for, but whoever does that in a debate always looks bad.

Romney could always bet him $10,000 that he's paid all his taxes.


Nah, mormons aren't supposed to gamble.

Unless it's with the lives of people who work for the companies they bought and are playing with like chips in a poker game.
2012-07-31 10:55:23 PM  
1 votes:
Some think I have too much interest in US politics as a Canadian.

Anyways, my 7 year old daughter often asks me questions about US politics. I'm not shy about telling her why I think Romney would be a bad choice for US President.

Anyways, I said something bad (but polite) about Romney the other day and she said "He's like the Mayor in they Yogi Bear movie" and I told her she was very smart and very correct and he most certainly is.
2012-07-31 10:41:02 PM  
1 votes:
"You know, I think it's fine to talk about those things in quiet rooms..."

www.washingtonpost.com
2012-07-31 10:27:09 PM  
1 votes:
Broke ass Republican: "Rich guy, no taxes? He's our better. No taxes sounds about right. You still hate gays and minorities, right?"
2012-07-31 10:13:50 PM  
1 votes:
Mitt Romney invested in Mapplethorpe artwork and wrote it off as decoration for his home/office.
2012-07-31 10:05:10 PM  
1 votes:
And yet hardcore Republicans who think gays, guns n' God is more important won't give a shiat because that's how they've been wired.
2012-07-31 10:01:18 PM  
1 votes:

Ambivalence: FlashHarry: whatever it is, clearly mittens thinks the political fallout for not releasing his returns is preferable to the fallout that would come from releasing them.

Either way, it's a darn interesting "no-win" situation from a guy who's essentially been running for president for YEARS. What the heck was he thinking?


"I'm better than everyone else, and I don't need to play by their rules, because I'm awesome."
2012-07-31 09:38:17 PM  
1 votes:
He's polling much better than I expected.

If it was just his hair that was being elected I would feel much more comfortable. His hairdo is very soothing, it's the meat below it that has me a bit nervous.
2012-07-31 09:34:28 PM  
1 votes:

EngineerBoy: Here's my favorite quote from Reid in that article:

"We feel comfortable in the Senate. Where the problem is, is this: Because of the Citizens United decision, Karl Rove and the Republicans are looking forward to a breakfast the day after the election. They are going to assemble 17 angry old white men for breakfast, some of them will slobber in their food, some will have scrambled eggs, some will have oatmeal, their teeth are gone. But these 17 angry old white men will say, 'Hey, we just bought America. Wasn't so bad. We still have a whole lot of money left.'"

Well-spoken, sir...


Reid is a tough bastard when he wants to be. Dude knows politics.
2012-07-31 09:21:43 PM  
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abb3w: gilgigamesh: I think it is more likely this, which is just as bad. And it fits the facts as we know them.

EG:
-- That he had a Swiss bank account
-- That it was closed in 2010
-- That it was with UBS
-- That the IRS amnesty was in 2009
-- That UBS was the bank at the center of the disclosures that formed the basis of the Amnesty
-- That of the 3000+ account holders who talked to the IRS in 2009, on the order of 100 had let the IRS know about the accounts previously.

propasaurus: I think it's great. 'I'm not saying... I'm just saying.'

A bit more class than claiming Mitt Romney's taxes raped and murdered a girl in 2009.


Also, Mitt gave McCain his returns up to 2008. Now, he's released only 2010, with a promise to release 2011 'when it's done.' So, what happened in 2009?
2012-07-31 09:16:14 PM  
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Sure, Mitt can release his tax returns, but then how do we know that they're *really* his tax returns? They could be easily faked, so maybe we should get some county Sheriff to look 'em over just to make sure.

Seriously, though, Romney doesn't need to release them, all it'll take is a question at the debates that brings up the subject, where either the moderator flat out asks each candidate how much they paid in taxes, or Obama says "I've paid 30% in taxes for decades", how about you?
2012-07-31 08:34:00 PM  
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Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: This is what it's like when rich Mormons fight, apparently.Roves cry.

2012-07-31 07:43:22 PM  
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People say all kinds of things.

No need to resort to Fox News style "some people say" bullshiat.
2012-07-31 07:35:12 PM  
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JerseyTim: I'm also sticking with the "really, really undertithed" theory.



The "I didn't pay any taxes -- and that proves how farked up our Tax Code is BUT ALSO how smart I am!" ad practically writes itself. Who doesn't cheer for someone sneaky enough to get away with something completely legally, at some level?

The way-under-tithed thing is really interesting. If he has to catch-up tens of millions to LDS, he might be willing to take the hit politically in return for keeping the cash. After all, he's mostly spending other people's money on this campaign as well.
2012-07-31 07:08:27 PM  
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Bladel: Considering how much mileage they are getting out of the "you didn't build that" lie, the Dems might as well go ahead and run with this.

And if it isn't true, well Mitt can always release his taxes to prove them wrong....


What's amazing is that Rmoney feels this is preferred to actually releasing his returns.
2012-07-31 07:03:44 PM  
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Considering how much mileage they are getting out of the "you didn't build that" lie, the Dems might as well go ahead and run with this.

And if it isn't true, well Mitt can always release his taxes to prove them wrong....
2012-07-31 06:47:25 PM  
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Quasar: A month or so ago, he said, a person who had invested with Bain Capital called his office.

"Harry, he didn't pay any taxes for 10 years," Reid recounted the person as saying.

"He didn't pay taxes for 10 years! Now, do I know that that's true? Well, I'm not certain," said Reid. "But obviously he can't release those tax returns. How would it look?

Well if that's not an airtight allegation I don't know what is.


It doesn't matter. This is the same nonsense perpetrated by the right wing for years. Hell, they have a whole cable "news" network dedicated to this.

This does, though, make a problem wholly created by Romney through refusal to release any real tax history news yet again. Weasel word clearly work; they are still lame.
2012-07-31 06:25:44 PM  
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A month or so ago, he said, a person who had invested with Bain Capital called his office.

"Harry, he didn't pay any taxes for 10 years," Reid recounted the person as saying.

"He didn't pay taxes for 10 years! Now, do I know that that's true? Well, I'm not certain," said Reid. "But obviously he can't release those tax returns. How would it look?


Well if that's not an airtight allegation I don't know what is.
2012-07-31 05:34:26 PM  
1 votes:
I'm also sticking with the "really, really undertithed" theory.
2012-07-31 05:28:14 PM  
1 votes:
This doesn't sound likely. No taxes at all? Nah.

I think it is more likely this, which is just as bad. And it fits the facts as we know them.
2012-07-31 04:53:08 PM  
1 votes:
What a wonderful variation on "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" Well played.
2012-07-31 04:35:24 PM  
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Nadie_AZ: Bain Investor Told Me That Mitt Romney 'Didn't Pay Any Taxes For 10 Years'

If this is true, Romney is beyond toast when he finally does release his Tax Returns. Well, for everyone but Team GOP. They'll love him more.

But I'll ask: if he paid no taxes, why didn't he create far more jobs than anybody else?


And are you still allowed to biatch about taxes if your tax bill is zero?

And if you can't biatch about taxes, are you still a Republican?
 
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