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2012-08-01 03:28:40 PM  

bhcompy: Which is funny since Reagan closed tax loopholes as a means of raising taxes without raising taxes, and current Dems and Repubs have been formulating ways to do that since the debt debate hit a while back as a way to raise taxes without violating stupid tax pledges. So try not to act like Republicans are the party of tax loopholes.


Both sides created tax loopholes that Romney used to their fullest, so vote Republican. Got it.
 
2012-08-01 03:30:30 PM  

tony41454: And Obama is using an illegal SS number and has no legal birth certificate. And won't release any records pertaining to his past. The pot calling the kettle black.......


So go out of your way and post his real personal information, like you've repeatedly done to other Farkers you don't like and decided to stalk offsite. Or better yet, go back to campaigning for a lynch mob to storm the white house again, that was real fun the last time you did that.
 
2012-08-01 03:37:32 PM  

Lando Lincoln:
Both sides created tax loopholes that Romney used to their fullest, so vote Republican. Got it.


Yep, I totally said vote Republican.
 
2012-08-01 03:42:10 PM  

Lernaeus: So, did Mitt Romney allegedly pay not taxes because of tax loopholes?


Well, you can bet your ass he didn't use the standard deduction. That's like a glaring "Audit Me" checkbox
 
2012-08-01 03:46:12 PM  

tony41454: And Obama is using an illegal SS number and has no legal birth certificate. And won't release any records pertaining to his past.


t0.gstatic.com
Truly, you have a dizzying intellect
 
2012-08-01 03:47:38 PM  

TIKIMAN87: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: TIKIMAN87: Byn: I doubt Reid believes it himself, but damn if it's not a really good way to force Mitt to prove that he's wrong.

Well played, Harry. Well played.

Well thats how liberals work.

They shout lies about republicans.

Sad ain't it.

Only one way to prove it's a lie.

So anyone can make a claim against anyone and they are required to prove it's a lie?

Obviously that's all Obama and the liberals have this November. That is the lowest of the low... Then again I would not have expected anymore looking back on Obamas record. There is nothing Reid or Obama can run on besides pull lie out of their asses. Thats how liberalism works. They are cowards.


Weak troll or moron?

Obama is proud of his record. He's accomplished much, despite obstructionism.

Conservatives just make stuff up. Conservatives take their own shortcomings and project it on their opponents. Liberals are the fact-based crowd. Republicans have as a plank in their platform that they literally oppose critical thinking.

I hope you're a troll, because as a troll, you're not bad. As a plain ol' voter, you are disturbingly misinformed.
 
2012-08-01 04:14:56 PM  

bhcompy: Lando Lincoln:
Both sides created tax loopholes that Romney used to their fullest, so vote Republican. Got it.

Yep, I totally said vote Republican.


You implied it.

"No, I didn't imply it. I was simply stating that both sides are bad."

Whatever.
 
2012-08-01 04:18:29 PM  
chocolate covered poop:

I guess I don't understand why this has to be some pissing match over which candidate paid more taxes and is thereby a better American TM. If Romney commited tax fraud thats one thing, but if he was able to whittle his liability down to 0 by legal means, who is really at fault?

I'm not voting for the guy but I don't think paying 0 taxes is necessarily grounds for automatic disqualification. But without him releasing his returns, we might as well assume the worst.

It's not an immediate disqualification. And it shouldn't be, even if he did break the law. That's a separate issue from the actual election. But the man is auditioning for leader of the free world. It's perfectly reasonable for the public to demand to see this information and judge the man's character. Not paying taxes, even if legal, says a great deal about what kind of leader Mitt Romney would be.
 
2012-08-01 04:35:02 PM  

brianbankerus: TIKIMAN87: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: TIKIMAN87: Byn: I doubt Reid believes it himself, but damn if it's not a really good way to force Mitt to prove that he's wrong.

Well played, Harry. Well played.

Well thats how liberals work.

They shout lies about republicans.

Sad ain't it.



Only one way to prove it's a lie.

So anyone can make a claim against anyone and they are required to prove it's a lie?

Obviously that's all Obama and the liberals have this November. That is the lowest of the low... Then again I would not have expected anymore looking back on Obamas record. There is nothing Reid or Obama can run on besides pull lie out of their asses. Thats how liberalism works. They are cowards.

Weak troll or moron?

Obama is proud of his record. He's accomplished much, despite obstructionism.

Conservatives just make stuff up. Conservatives take their own shortcomings and project it on their opponents. Liberals are the fact-based crowd. Republicans have as a plank in their platform that they literally oppose critical thinking.

I hope you're a troll, because as a troll, you're not bad. As a plain ol' voter, you are disturbingly misinformed.


If he is so proud of his record how come he never talks about it? All he talks about is raising taxes on the rich, which will solve NOTHING.

He is dividing the country.

He is a failure.
 
2012-08-01 05:06:43 PM  

TIKIMAN87: If he is so proud of his record how come he never talks about it? All he talks about is raising taxes on the rich, which will solve NOTHING.

He is dividing the country.

He is a failure.


He talks about his accomplishments all the time. The commercials may be attack ads but the many hours a week of campaign speeches is all about what he's accomplished.

You sir, could benefit from some facts.
 
2012-08-01 05:07:31 PM  

TIKIMAN87: If he is so proud of his record how come he never talks about it? All he talks about is raising taxes on the rich, which will solve NOTHING.


Unlike Romney's plan to raise taxes on everyone but the rich.
 
2012-08-01 05:27:03 PM  

Lando Lincoln: bhcompy: Lando Lincoln:
Both sides created tax loopholes that Romney used to their fullest, so vote Republican. Got it.

Yep, I totally said vote Republican.

You implied it.

"No, I didn't imply it. I was simply stating that both sides are bad."

Whatever.


I think your reading comprehension skills need work.

"So try not to act like Republicans are the party of tax loopholes." != Vote Republican
 
2012-08-01 06:00:21 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: TIKIMAN87: If he is so proud of his record how come he never talks about it? All he talks about is raising taxes on the rich, which will solve NOTHING.

Unlike Romney's plan to raise taxes on everyone but the rich.


He has no plan to do that. But keep listening to NBC and ABC if it will help you sleep.
 
2012-08-01 06:04:44 PM  

brianbankerus: TIKIMAN87: If he is so proud of his record how come he never talks about it? All he talks about is raising taxes on the rich, which will solve NOTHING.

He is dividing the country.

He is a failure.

He talks about his accomplishments all the time. The commercials may be attack ads but the many hours a week of campaign speeches is all about what he's accomplished.

You sir, could benefit from some facts.


LOL what does he talk about?

Passing Obama care that has 23 new taxes that will tax EVERYONE rich and poor? And it will now cost 2.3 trillion dollars.

How about breaking his promise to cut he deficit in half?

How about his class warfare? All he talks about is taxing the rich blah blah. He can't even say what he is going to do in his second term! he's a joke.
 
2012-08-01 06:12:45 PM  

TIKIMAN87: Passing Obama care that has 23 new taxes that will tax EVERYONE rich and poor? And it will now cost 2.3 trillion dollars.


[citation needed]

TIKIMAN87: How about breaking his promise to cut he deficit in half?


Might have something to do with Bush leaving us a bigger recession than anybody thought, or Congress being a bunch of dysfunctional assbags that can't even get a budget together, let alone a balanced one. (let me save you some time and put in here "B-b-b-but BUSH! How dare you acknowledge that things happened before Obama took office, and my side was at fault!")

TIKIMAN87: How about his class warfare? All he talks about is taxing the rich blah blah. He can't even say what he is going to do in his second term! he's a joke.


Oh, hi.

And hi again.
 
2012-08-01 06:21:08 PM  

HeartBurnKid: TIKIMAN87: Passing Obama care that has 23 new taxes that will tax EVERYONE rich and poor? And it will now cost 2.3 trillion dollars.

[citation needed]

TIKIMAN87: How about breaking his promise to cut he deficit in half?

Might have something to do with Bush leaving us a bigger recession than anybody thought, or Congress being a bunch of dysfunctional assbags that can't even get a budget together, let alone a balanced one. (let me save you some time and put in here "B-b-b-but BUSH! How dare you acknowledge that things happened before Obama took office, and my side was at fault!")

TIKIMAN87: How about his class warfare? All he talks about is taxing the rich blah blah. He can't even say what he is going to do in his second term! he's a joke.

Oh, hi.

And hi again.


Obama had a super majority for 2 farking years and they didn't bother to balance the budget. They had 2 years to do and pass whatever they wanted and the only thing they passed was Obamacare. Which was a mistake.
 
2012-08-01 06:32:34 PM  
 
2012-08-01 07:45:01 PM  

walkingtall: The problem is that the people you farkers are supporting are not looking to try and make the country better. Simply better for them.


I am not supporting Romney. And Obama hasn't earned any such scorn.
 
2012-08-01 08:04:38 PM  
The same libtards that are 100% positive Romney must be hiding something, are the same people the are ok with Obama and Holder using executive privilege relating to Fast and Furious. And you wonder why you're called hypocrites.
 
2012-08-01 08:13:49 PM  

Harry_Seldon: October Surprise:

Warren Buffet will come out and drop a bomb on Romney's dealings at Bain.


God, but that would be beautiful.
 
2012-08-01 08:15:31 PM  

Stile4aly: Wendy's Chili: Mitt Romney kicked a nun in the teeth and then got a tax credit for shoe repair.

Mitt Romney shiat on my doorstep and then got a tax credit for toilet paper.


Mitt Romney dry-raped my dog and then got a tax credit for KY.
 
2012-08-01 09:43:57 PM  

bhcompy: Lando Lincoln: Lernaeus: So, did Mitt Romney allegedly pay not taxes because of tax loopholes? If so, blame Charlie Rangel.

"I'm just like you guys. I want to maximize my tax returns like all good Americans. Unlike most Americans, instead of using TurboTax or H&R Block, I use a team of Harvard-taught Tax Accountants that allow me to pay less taxes than you guys typically do, both in percentage and in real dollars. Don't blame me for being able to afford really skilled tax dodgers. Blame the Democrats for allowing me to do it. Please vote Republican in the fall. The tax loopholes for people like me will still be there - if anything, I'll make more of them. But at least Obama will be out of office."

Which is funny since Reagan closed tax loopholes as a means of raising taxes without raising taxes, and current Dems and Repubs have been formulating ways to do that since the debt debate hit a while back as a way to raise taxes without violating stupid tax pledges. So try not to act like Republicans are the party of tax loopholes.

ursomniac: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The missing Olympic records, the computers in MA, Bain and not-Bain, and inadequate tax records.

Obama will just easily paint Romney as secretive and untrustworthy in October.

Add to that his state residency issues (was he a MA or UT resident when he ran for governor?; why did he vote in MA AFTER he sold his house and moved to NH using as an address a basement at one of his son's properties?)...

And this is the same non-starter argument that was raised against Hillary when she ran in New York with questionable residency. It was a lame argument then and it's a lame argument now.


Oh, this is an easy one...

Unlike the governorship of Massachusetts, the residency requirement to be a Senator doesn't have a time frame; one merely has to be a resident at the time of election. (The Clintons bought their house in Chappaqua over a year before the election, thus establishing a case for residency in NY.)

In Massachusetts, one has to be a resident for seven years before election as governor. Mitt's lawyers had to pull some fancy footwork before Massachusetts accepted his claim of residency, as he had claimed to be a resident of Utah to get a break on his property tax in 1999.

In short, not only is Mitt a quantum candidate in his political philosophy, but he's able to be a resident of two states at the same time.
 
2012-08-01 10:10:35 PM  

Mearen: The same libtards that are 100% positive Romney must be hiding something, are the same people the are ok with Obama and Holder using executive privilege relating to Fast and Furious. And you wonder why you're called hypocrites.


Romney is hiding something. Even Romney knows that Romney's hiding something. "Refusing to disclose" is "hiding." You're the one attributing a negative connotation to "hiding" and/or "something." Why is this something being hidden? Is it because it is super great that Romney is waiting until the last minute to reveal to us? He's hiding thousands of boring financial statements that carefully unravel the soft silky petals of his integrity, is that it? Waiting for the right moment? I can't wait for the moment when Candidate Romney blasts the curtains wide and says, "See? HERE AM ME."
 
2012-08-01 10:43:01 PM  

TIKIMAN87: Obama had a super majority for 2 farking years


Show me one day... one single day... that there were 60 Democrats in the Senate.
 
2012-08-01 10:58:39 PM  

LibertyHiller: Oh, this is an easy one...

Unlike the governorship of Massachusetts, the residency requirement to be a Senator doesn't have a time frame; one merely has to be a resident at the time of election. (The Clintons bought their house in Chappaqua over a year before the election, thus establishing a case for residency in NY.)

In Massachusetts, one has to be a resident for seven years before election as governor. Mitt's lawyers had to pull some fancy footwork before Massachusetts accepted his claim of residency, as he had claimed to be a resident of Utah to get a break on his property tax in 1999.

In short, not only is Mitt a quantum candidate in his political philosophy, but he's able to be a resident of two states at the same time.


Which is funny since she was living at 1600 Penn. Ave at the time of the election
 
2012-08-01 11:04:43 PM  

propasaurus: Also, Mitt gave McCain his returns up to 2008. Now, he's released only 2010, with a promise to release 2011 'when it's done.' So, what happened in 2009?


do you know what would be AWESOME? if someone in mccain's camp accidentally left rmoney's tax returns in the lobby of the NYT
LOL
 
2012-08-02 12:07:35 AM  
I once had a Harry Reid, and then I discovered Nads.
 
2012-08-02 02:10:29 AM  

bhcompy: LibertyHiller: Oh, this is an easy one...

Unlike the governorship of Massachusetts, the residency requirement to be a Senator doesn't have a time frame; one merely has to be a resident at the time of election. (The Clintons bought their house in Chappaqua over a year before the election, thus establishing a case for residency in NY.)

In Massachusetts, one has to be a resident for seven years before election as governor. Mitt's lawyers had to pull some fancy footwork before Massachusetts accepted his claim of residency, as he had claimed to be a resident of Utah to get a break on his property tax in 1999.

In short, not only is Mitt a quantum candidate in his political philosophy, but he's able to be a resident of two states at the same time.

Which is funny since she was living at 1600 Penn. Ave at the time of the election


Well, seeing as that's duty-related housing, it's considered a temporary residence.

Buying a home (particularly when it's the only residence owned) is going to carry a lot of weight even when it isn't prima facie evidence of an intent to reside permanently in a given jurisdiction. (I believe Cheney had to sell his house in Texas to be eligible under the 12th Amendment for the vice presidency.)

Career politicians have come under fire (Lugar and Santorum, for recent examples) for selling their home state residences and buying property in the DC area, without even renting a studio apartment back home for a figleaf of a residency claim. So, it's fair to call HRC a carpetbagger, but she at least made a significant effort to address the residency requirement.

Mitt, on the other hand, claimed Utah residency to save a lousy 50 grand on property taxes, and then got all retroactive about it when he wanted to run for office in Massachusetts. It says a lot about his character, IMHO.
 
2012-08-02 10:14:02 AM  

Ambivalence: FlashHarry: whatever it is, clearly mittens thinks the political fallout for not releasing his returns is preferable to the fallout that would come from releasing them.

Either way, it's a darn interesting "no-win" situation from a guy who's essentially been running for president for YEARS. What the heck was he thinking?


As we are constantly reminded by you guys, there are more taxes than just the income tax. If Romneys tax records show that he paid no income tax during a period where his only income was from Capital Gain, then that would be a perfectly legal situation.....because thats how the law is written. It is also possible to earn interest income on investments and pay very little Capital Gains because you never take any money out of the market. If you let it ride.....the taxes just accumulate in the form of capital gains. If you then lose money at the end.....like when Obama got elected, its possible over ten years to wind up more or less exactly where you started. Again...perfectly legal.

I would guess however that what Romneys returns show is a steady increase in portfolio with modest sales of stock resulting in modest amounts of Capital Gains. The percentage paid is irrelevant to any rational discussion because it has to be measured against other factors. For instance our Public schools system locally brags that they have improved math proficiency test scores by 245% in the last ten years. That represents a change of 2% to 5% of the kids testing proficient at math at graduation. So maybe one year Romney pays 5% in taxes.....but its still a ton of money..... and the next year he makes less because the market is off, and pays 15% but its less revenue to the government because his earnings were less.

The only thing for sure is that Democrats will devise a way to explain it that fits into a 5 second sound bite and send it out to the clueless for repetition.
 
2012-08-02 10:22:50 AM  

archichris: If Romneys tax records show that he paid no income tax during a period where his only income was from Capital Gain, then that would be a perfectly legal situation.....because thats how the law is written.


I don't think anybody's denying that. But for him to pay no taxes for years, and then turn around and say that the problem is that his cohort is getting taxed to death and we aren't pulling our weight, would be disgusting hypocrisy of the highest order.
 
2012-08-02 10:58:31 AM  
The mere fact that Romney paid a low tax rate, or used tax loopholes should not be that much of a political hindrance. We can already see from what he's released that he does use loopholes to get a radically lower rate than many Americans. That didn't sink his campaign at all. The revelation that he paid even less in taxes in previous years, or even no taxes at all in some years, should likewise come as no real revelation. The Republican base will eat that up regardless, because who really cares about effective tax rates (unless it's a Democrat's tax rate).

There are only two things that I think would make him hesitate this long, and turn what should be a non-issue into something huge. Either he's worried about potential legal liability, or he's got something in there that could be political suicide.

Suppose Romney, or a shell corporation he owned shorted Bear Sterns 2 days before they crashed? Suppose he bought heavy into the real estate market and sold off at a conspicuously perfect time. Maybe he did nothing wrong and he's just that savvy, but the only real way to beat an investigation into things like that is to not let one get started in the first place. Romney would be willing to sacrifice the presidency to save himself from being the example the SEC makes in lieu of actually prosecuting the bankers who did truly atrocious things.

The other major possibility in my mind is that Romney sank a lot of money into organizations that are now political poison pills. What if it turns out he was a strong supporter of Planned Parenthood until it became the Republican whipping boy of the day? That revelation would cost him votes for sure. What if he went the other way, and helped bankroll an organization like The Family, who made it their mission to see homosexuals executed in Uganda? I don't think he could spin that positively.

In any event, whatever is in those returns is bad enough that Romney is willing to invite this sort of speculation rather than expose the reality. That reality could be pretty bad.
 
2012-08-02 02:34:20 PM  

Nuuu: The mere fact that Romney paid a low tax rate, or used tax loopholes should not be that much of a political hindrance. We can already see from what he's released that he does use loopholes to get a radically lower rate than many Americans. That didn't sink his campaign at all. The revelation that he paid even less in taxes in previous years, or even no taxes at all in some years, should likewise come as no real revelation. The Republican base will eat that up regardless, because who really cares about effective tax rates (unless it's a Democrat's tax rate).

There are only two things that I think would make him hesitate this long, and turn what should be a non-issue into something huge. Either he's worried about potential legal liability, or he's got something in there that could be political suicide.

Suppose Romney, or a shell corporation he owned shorted Bear Sterns 2 days before they crashed? Suppose he bought heavy into the real estate market and sold off at a conspicuously perfect time. Maybe he did nothing wrong and he's just that savvy, but the only real way to beat an investigation into things like that is to not let one get started in the first place. Romney would be willing to sacrifice the presidency to save himself from being the example the SEC makes in lieu of actually prosecuting the bankers who did truly atrocious things.

The other major possibility in my mind is that Romney sank a lot of money into organizations that are now political poison pills. What if it turns out he was a strong supporter of Planned Parenthood until it became the Republican whipping boy of the day? That revelation would cost him votes for sure. What if he went the other way, and helped bankroll an organization like The Family, who made it their mission to see homosexuals executed in Uganda? I don't think he could spin that positively.

In any event, whatever is in those returns is bad enough that Romney is willing to invite this sort of speculation rather than ex ...


nother theory, he feels he lost already and stands to gain nothing by releasing them and is merely trolling the usa. It would also explain the boorish comments overseas defecating all ovetr the place to create a larger foriegn political headache for Obama's 2nd term.

just my own theory on it all, of course.
 
2012-08-03 06:04:35 PM  

HeartBurnKid: archichris: If Romneys tax records show that he paid no income tax during a period where his only income was from Capital Gain, then that would be a perfectly legal situation.....because thats how the law is written.

I don't think anybody's denying that. But for him to pay no taxes for years, and then turn around and say that the problem is that his cohort is getting taxed to death and we aren't pulling our weight, would be disgusting hypocrisy of the highest order.


You can choose to believe that people who make tens of millions a year will someday actually have to pay that to the government. But in reality what they are all fighting over is the incomes of the people making between $200k and $2000k per year, mostly small business people and professionals. These people pay the largest percentage of taxes AFAIK. You can choose to believe that they are all wealthy and can afford to pay twice as much, but in reality most of them are living at the edge of their incomes....and any of them who own businesses are likely one year at best from disaster at any point in time.

Romney is not worried about paying taxes and no one at his income level is worried either. But you will notice that his income level is not being targeted without the incomes of people making $250k per year also being included. Thats the grand stupidity about Democrats. They will tell you that they are going after Romney, then they will write the laws to soak the middle class.

Write a tax law that takes 50% of everything you make over 10 million in a year and see what happens, lots of people will support it, and the net revenue will be almost nothing.

Obamas lying to you, but you are ok with that because you think the lie is being told to influence undecided and independant voters.....and secretly you believe that you wont pay any extra taxes no matter what.
 
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