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2012-08-01 10:17:44 AM

urbangirl: You are free to believe what you like and base your actions on your beliefs. But you are NOT entitled to require me to conform MY actions to YOUR beliefs.


No problem. You are not required to get an abortion or a gay marriage. Why don't you let the rest of us make that decision for ourselves as well, instead of trying to force us to conform to your beliefs?
 
2012-08-01 10:20:04 AM

DaSwankOne: You pathetic losers can kiss Romney's ass. You are just jealous.


He's still not going to fark you.
 
2012-08-01 10:20:17 AM

Serious Black: I'd say, in order of likelihood, what his past tax returns would reveal are:

1) Paying very low tax rates every year with maybe one year of a zero or negative tax rate.
2) IRS amnesty on a Swiss bank account.
3) Under-tithing the LDS Church.
4) Paying zero or negative tax rates every year.

I'm not sure which would be the most damaging...the first option clearly wouldn't be as bad as the fourth. But beyond that, it depends on the beholder.


5) He was not living in his son's unfurnished basement when he voted for Scott Brown.
 
2012-08-01 10:20:20 AM

DaSwankOne: You pathetic losers can kiss Romney's ass. You are just jealous.


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-08-01 10:21:33 AM

Bladel: Nadie_AZ: Bain Investor Told Me That Mitt Romney 'Didn't Pay Any Taxes For 10 Years'

If this is true, Romney is beyond toast when he finally does release his Tax Returns. Well, for everyone but Team GOP. They'll love him more.

But I'll ask: if he paid no taxes, why didn't he create far more jobs than anybody else?

And are you still allowed to biatch about taxes if your tax bill is zero?

And if you can't biatch about taxes, are you still a Republican?


So what your saying is you have to PAY taxes to be Republican? That's UnAmerican.
 
2012-08-01 10:23:26 AM

DaSwankOne: You pathetic losers can kiss Romney's ass. You are just jealous.


Yes, I spent yesterday evening crying into my port.
 
2012-08-01 10:26:30 AM

Serious Black: FuturePastNow: Now this, this is how you attack a candidate's weakness.

I don't believe Romney paid zero taxes, and it sounds like Reid doesn't either, but Mittens has been practically begging for this accusation by withholding his financial info. And he has no recourse except to release that info, because the longer this accusation goes unchallenged, the stronger it'll get.

I'd say, in order of likelihood, what his past tax returns would reveal are:

1) Paying very low tax rates every year with maybe one year of a zero or negative tax rate.
2) IRS amnesty on a Swiss bank account.
3) Under-tithing the LDS Church.
4) Paying zero or negative tax rates every year.

I'm not sure which would be the most damaging...the first option clearly wouldn't be as bad as the fourth. But beyond that, it depends on the beholder.


I don't think #3 will be that damaging, simply because America is a melting pot of religions and few people will care. That tithe may also be tax deductible, I'm not sure how that works. Donations are tax write offs, so I guess technically the tithe would be similar.

If #3 played a large part in #1 or #4, I wouldn't really have an issue with any of those.

#2 would likely be the biggest problem.
 
2012-08-01 10:27:31 AM

MurphyMurphy: mrEdude: EXACTLY.

He buys up American companies, trashes them to make a buck, puts people out of work...

then takes his cash and siphons it out of the USA without even paying a fair share to the country he pretends to love.


The fact this turd is running for president is farking scary. He's the ENEMY.

Most the voting populace just doesn't care.

They do not, and will never, look past whatever letter is next to their name.
They are straight ticket and damn proud of it.

There is only one way Obama can lose. And he may very well lose. That is when (out of regular voters) all the (R)s faithfully show up to vote and only 80% of the (D)s do.

GO VOTE

OR THAT SMARMY TAX DODGING BILLIONAIRE (worth 250mil? yeah, ok...) IS GOING TO BE YOUR NEXT PRESIDENT

AND JUST LIKE BUSH, HE'LL LOCK US IN A NEW WAR TO SECURE THE 2ND TERM


Those assholes vote straight party with no reguard for the actual candidates!

Vote for our guy no matter how uninspired you are to stop them!
 
2012-08-01 10:36:15 AM

mainstreet62: Serious Black: FuturePastNow: Now this, this is how you attack a candidate's weakness.

I don't believe Romney paid zero taxes, and it sounds like Reid doesn't either, but Mittens has been practically begging for this accusation by withholding his financial info. And he has no recourse except to release that info, because the longer this accusation goes unchallenged, the stronger it'll get.

I'd say, in order of likelihood, what his past tax returns would reveal are:

1) Paying very low tax rates every year with maybe one year of a zero or negative tax rate.
2) IRS amnesty on a Swiss bank account.
3) Under-tithing the LDS Church.
4) Paying zero or negative tax rates every year.

I'm not sure which would be the most damaging...the first option clearly wouldn't be as bad as the fourth. But beyond that, it depends on the beholder.

I don't think #3 will be that damaging, simply because America is a melting pot of religions and few people will care. That tithe may also be tax deductible, I'm not sure how that works. Donations are tax write offs, so I guess technically the tithe would be similar.

If #3 played a large part in #1 or #4, I wouldn't really have an issue with any of those.

#2 would likely be the biggest problem.


From my limited understanding of the LDS #2 would be earth shattering within the Church. Either an excommunication of the Romneys or a mess exodus of members.

It could also lead to leaks within the LDS. This Mass. businessman/failed Senate candidate with no sporting event experience was given the 2002 Olympics gig. Was it Mormon Affirmative Action to fluff Mitt Romney's resume for future campaigns?
 
2012-08-01 10:36:33 AM

quatchi: Brandyelf: It's also crystal clear that at least one person in this thread does not want us to focus on the topic of Romney's tax returns and what might be in them. He must be doing well, since a lot of you are falling for it.

Point taken. In my defense I was bored.

Romney's wife flat out said that things in there could (and would) be used by the left to make Romney look bad, and that they'd given "you people" all we needed to know. I disagree, I think we need to see more tax returns, specifically 2009.

Dollars to donuts he took the tax dodger amnesty deal.


I can relate to the whole "being bored" thing. I can even relate to the temptation to argue the relative value of one belief system when compared to another.

What I cannot relate to is someone running for president based almost solely on his business and financial dealings (oh and his "anglo saxon" background) who absolutely refuses to show details on his business dealings (When did he really leave Bain? How many jobs did he outsource? Where are the documents from the Olympics?) or his financial dealings ("We've given 'you people' all you need to know").

So basically, he's running on a combination of "I'm whiter than that guy" and "trust me".
 
2012-08-01 10:37:06 AM
Accidentally posted this in a health care thread... :)

Let's just make a law that every President, member of Congress, and Supreme Court Justice -- and their spouses -- as well as every person running for such offices (or in the case of SCOTUS, nominated) has to provide tax returns for the previous dozen years. Then going forward, all such returns would be released to the public after being accepted to the IRS.

Then we can pay attention to something else.
 
2012-08-01 10:39:29 AM

bootman: From my limited understanding of the LDS #2 would be earth shattering within the Church. Either an excommunication of the Romneys or a mess exodus of members.

It could also lead to leaks within the LDS. This Mass. businessman/failed Senate candidate with no sporting event experience was given the 2002 Olympics gig. Was it Mormon Affirmative Action to fluff Mitt Romney's resume for future campaigns?


Derp, I meant #3...

/Derp
 
2012-08-01 10:41:40 AM

Aar1012: fusillade762: The Romney campaign's press secretary, Andrea Saul, has previously denied rumors that Romney didn't pay "any taxes at all."

Oh, I'm sure at some point he bought a pack of gum of something and paid sales tax on it.

No, I bet he drove (or had an aide drive) to New Hampshire to avoid sales tax.


Legit question: If New Hampshire doesn't have an income or sales tax, how do they pay for stuff?

/Michigan has 4.35% income + 6% sales, and they're still broke.
 
2012-08-01 10:48:18 AM

meyerkev: Aar1012: fusillade762: The Romney campaign's press secretary, Andrea Saul, has previously denied rumors that Romney didn't pay "any taxes at all."

Oh, I'm sure at some point he bought a pack of gum of something and paid sales tax on it.

No, I bet he drove (or had an aide drive) to New Hampshire to avoid sales tax.

Legit question: If New Hampshire doesn't have an income or sales tax, how do they pay for stuff?

/Michigan has 4.35% income + 6% sales, and they're still broke.


They've got a dozen other taxes, just not income or sales. There's capital gains, called the "Interest and Dividend Tax", a "Business Profits Tax" and a "Business Enterprise Tax", a statewide property tax on top of local property taxes...

Source: http://www.revenue.nh.gov/faq/gti-rev.htm
 
2012-08-01 10:50:29 AM

Brandyelf: What I cannot relate to is someone running for president based almost solely on his business and financial dealings (oh and his "anglo saxon" background) who absolutely refuses to show details on his business dealings (When did he really leave Bain? How many jobs did he outsource? Where are the documents from the Olympics?) or his financial dealings ("We've given 'you people' all you need to know").


Precisely, "Vote for me because Bain, Olympics, Governor" but whenever people try to actually look into his records in details he stonewalls.

So basically, he's running on a combination of "I'm whiter than that guy" and "trust me".

He truly is the 'Anybody But Obama' candidate.

He's basically John Kerry only without all the charisma ...or record of honorable public service ...or class.
 
2012-08-01 10:58:36 AM
Clearly, this is just Harry Reid's way of diverting attention from stories that Harry Reid is a pederast. In fact, that was a #1 trending Twitter topic last night. Astonishing that Reid has done nothing to address these serious allegations, especially if they're unfounded. I mean, even if there's no proof that Harry Reid is a pederast, given the gravity of the charges, it would only be reasonable for him to release his FBI records to establish that there's nothing to the suggestion that Harry Reid is a pederast. Why is Harry Reid running away from the suggestion that Harry Reid is a pederast? What's he hiding, exactly? And until he does something to squelch these rumors that Harry Reid is a pederast, what's a safe distance to keep him away from our children?
 
2012-08-01 10:58:39 AM

DaSwankOne: You pathetic losers can kiss Romney's ass. You are just jealous.


Yup. Jealous of the sweet, sweet hair, his bevy of cosplaying Patrick Batemans he calls "sons", his 70k horse and, of course, his car elevator.
 
2012-08-01 11:03:25 AM
And Obama is using an illegal SS number and has no legal birth certificate. And won't release any records pertaining to his past. The pot calling the kettle black.......
 
2012-08-01 11:03:57 AM
Yeah, it's not like this trick hasn't worked for the entire Right Wing, why doesn't someone on the Left get to take a crack at it once in awhile?
 
2012-08-01 11:07:11 AM

tony41454: And Obama is using an illegal SS number and has no legal birth certificate. And won't release any records pertaining to his past. The pot calling the kettle black.......


Except for the 12 years of tax returns he has released. Oh, and his birth certificate. But you're right, that's exactly like Mitt Romney hiding the fact that he's guilty of tax fraud and under-tithing by not releasing an equivalent amount of information.
 
2012-08-01 11:10:01 AM

qorkfiend: meyerkev: Aar1012: fusillade762: The Romney campaign's press secretary, Andrea Saul, has previously denied rumors that Romney didn't pay "any taxes at all."

Oh, I'm sure at some point he bought a pack of gum of something and paid sales tax on it.

No, I bet he drove (or had an aide drive) to New Hampshire to avoid sales tax.

Legit question: If New Hampshire doesn't have an income or sales tax, how do they pay for stuff?

/Michigan has 4.35% income + 6% sales, and they're still broke.

They've got a dozen other taxes, just not income or sales. There's capital gains, called the "Interest and Dividend Tax", a "Business Profits Tax" and a "Business Enterprise Tax", a statewide property tax on top of local property taxes...

Source: http://www.revenue.nh.gov/faq/gti-rev.htm


Ok, so they're ignoring the poor and (largely) middle class, and hitting businesses and the wealthy. Depending on the rates involved, I'm OK with that.

/Is still surprised they don't throw a sales tax on during leaf season. That's what sales tax is for. Screwing over tourists.
 
2012-08-01 11:10:32 AM

tony41454: And Obama is using an illegal SS number and has no legal birth certificate.


Please substantiate your accusations.
 
2012-08-01 11:11:26 AM

tony41454: And Obama is using an illegal SS number and has no legal birth certificate. And won't release any records pertaining to his past. The pot calling the kettle black.......


You sound so very very tired.
 
2012-08-01 11:12:23 AM

Dimensio: tony41454: And Obama is using an illegal SS number and has no legal birth certificate.

Please substantiate your accusations.


Joe Arpaio said so, and if we cannot trust the Toughest Sheriff in America™, who can we trust?
 
2012-08-01 11:13:09 AM

meyerkev: /Is still surprised they don't throw a sales tax on during leaf season. That's what sales tax is for. Screwing over tourists.


Oh, they soak the tourists, all right. They call it the Meals and Rentals Tax: "A 9% tax is assessed upon patrons of hotels and restaurants, on rooms and meals costing $.36 or more. A 9% tax is also assessed on motor vehicle rentals and campsites."

I was wrong on the property tax thing, though; it's a state-wide property tax only, it's just collected by the municipalities.
 
2012-08-01 11:13:15 AM

SwingingJohnson: Romney took a $77,000 deduction on his 2010 tax return for the care and feeding of his dancing horse.

He somehow made his horse a business expense.




i865.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-01 11:13:16 AM

MyRandomName: The employed on fark (those you call the GOP shills) have jobs. Sorry we all can't be weaver living off the dole.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-01 11:14:48 AM

Zerochance: Joe Arpaio said so, and if we cannot trust the Toughest Sheriff in America™, who can we trust?


Anyone else.
 
2012-08-01 11:21:01 AM

RadioAaron: No one I know is even remotely excited about Mitt Romney. Not one. And I know a LOT of conservatives.

Most who say they'll vote for him are doing so 'cuz he's not sekrit black kenyin muslin soshulist.


Most I know who are voting for him are in the corporate world, aren't racist and don't give a shiat about social issues. They are voting purely out of self-interest for their business and I can't say I blame them.
 
2012-08-01 11:24:23 AM

Snarfangel: Accidentally posted this in a health care thread... :)

Let's just make a law that every President, member of Congress, and Supreme Court Justice -- and their spouses -- as well as every person running for such offices (or in the case of SCOTUS, nominated) has to provide tax returns for the previous dozen years. Then going forward, all such returns would be released to the public after being accepted to the IRS.

Then we can pay attention to something else.


IMO it would be hard to get a law passed like that.

However, it might be a good thing to require as a prerequisite for employment in a government position that writes or enacts tax laws that all feasible tax returns be public record, the previous five years made public on the date of candidacy.
 
2012-08-01 11:30:26 AM

Three Crooked Squirrels: What will hurt Romney is a concrete example of the tax code allowing the ultrarich to legally pay low rates while at the same time, the ultrarich guy is complaining that taxes are too high
on the rich. That's a conversation they don't want to have.


Bears
Bears
Bears
 
2012-08-01 11:33:37 AM
It is always sad when people so grossly take Bible passages out of context and twist them to justify pretty much anything. If you take any topic. No matter how horrible or sick I can take a few verses out of context and make it look like God not only condones it but encourages it. The Bible is complicated and you have to look at the whole picture and put things in context. There are also many teachings about how slaves should obey their masters but Jesus proclaimed numerous times to be here to free us from slavery. To remove the shackles that held us. That slavery in any form was tyranny. So what was it? Does God like slavery. Heck he put the Jews in slavery for 400 years. That would seem to be a ringing endorsement of slavery. Ah, but its not quite that cut and dried is it? God loves us and doesnt want anyone in slavery to anything.

  
Slavery is still approved of in the New Testament:
 
    Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear.  Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.  (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
 
    Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed.  If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful.  You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts.  Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.  (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)
 
    In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.
 
    The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it.  "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly.  Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given."  (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)
 
2012-08-01 11:35:14 AM

Dinki: And why shouldn't he? The GOP knows that our main stream media have the attention span of a 3 year old with ADD. They know that by the time the debates come around this issue will be so old that it won't even come up.


Don't be so sure. Obama's crew seems to at least be smart enough to be archiving all this material.
 
2012-08-01 11:42:32 AM

shower_in_my_socks: How can a guy who paid little-to-no taxes say the rich are still paying too much?


Because the government should be giving him money. Because jobs, or something.

/and no, that's not welfare. It's only welfare when poor people get money.
 
2012-08-01 11:43:27 AM

Epoch_Zero: Snarfangel: Accidentally posted this in a health care thread... :)

Let's just make a law that every President, member of Congress, and Supreme Court Justice -- and their spouses -- as well as every person running for such offices (or in the case of SCOTUS, nominated) has to provide tax returns for the previous dozen years. Then going forward, all such returns would be released to the public after being accepted to the IRS.

Then we can pay attention to something else.

IMO it would be hard to get a law passed like that.

However, it might be a good thing to require as a prerequisite for employment in a government position that writes or enacts tax laws that all feasible tax returns be public record, the previous five years made public on the date of candidacy.


What would be the practical advantage of that over the status quo? A few dollars collected in fines every now and then? The current setup has the advantage of being entirely voluntary. The candidate is totally in control of just how much information he or she is willing to disclose. It allows them to make their own decisions in shaping the image they present to the public. They can be open and transparent, they can appear that they are shady and are hiding something, or any point in between. The only thing that a candidate is forced to do under the current system, is live with the consequences of his or her decisions. And isn't that the whole point of an election any way, to judge the candidate as fit or unfit for the job based on the record of past decisions?
 
2012-08-01 12:19:57 PM

Serious Black: FuturePastNow: Now this, this is how you attack a candidate's weakness.

I don't believe Romney paid zero taxes, and it sounds like Reid doesn't either, but Mittens has been practically begging for this accusation by withholding his financial info. And he has no recourse except to release that info, because the longer this accusation goes unchallenged, the stronger it'll get.

I'd say, in order of likelihood, what his past tax returns would reveal are:

1) Paying very low tax rates every year with maybe one year of a zero or negative tax rate.
2) IRS amnesty on a Swiss bank account.
3) Under-tithing the LDS Church.
4) Paying zero or negative tax rates every year.

I'm not sure which would be the most damaging...the first option clearly wouldn't be as bad as the fourth. But beyond that, it depends on the beholder.


That's not a mutually-exclusive list, it could be more than one. In fact, I think #1 and #3 are a given. I'd give #2 a 50/50 chance of appearing. If I had to give odds on #4, I'd say maybe 5%. It's possible, but it would take some damn fine loopholes to get someone with Romney's personal income a zero tax rate.

Most Americans would yawn at the prospect of Romney under-tithing his church, but LDS has a profit drive that would make a Ferengi envious; they take that shiat seriously. Shorting them is probably an excommunicable offense. Since his dubious claim to moral values is the only thing Mitt has to run on, his campaign has to keep him in good standing with his church.
 
2012-08-01 12:46:02 PM
So, did Mitt Romney allegedly pay not taxes because of tax loopholes? If so, blame Charlie Rangel.

Tax evasion is another thing entirely.

/Real evasion, not legal deductions liberals love to spin into criminal tax evasion.
//Not supporting Romney or anything; just trying to cut through the bullsh*t.
 
2012-08-01 12:53:20 PM

Lernaeus: So, did Mitt Romney allegedly pay not taxes because of tax loopholes? If so, blame Charlie Rangel.

Tax evasion is another thing entirely.

/Real evasion, not legal deductions liberals love to spin into criminal tax evasion.
//Not supporting Romney or anything; just trying to cut through the bullsh*t.


Exactly, and it seems that this isn't clear. Probably ambiguous so people think he is doing something illegal
 
2012-08-01 12:55:46 PM

bhcompy: Lernaeus: So, did Mitt Romney allegedly pay not taxes because of tax loopholes? If so, blame Charlie Rangel.

Tax evasion is another thing entirely.

/Real evasion, not legal deductions liberals love to spin into criminal tax evasion.
//Not supporting Romney or anything; just trying to cut through the bullsh*t.

Exactly, and it seems that this isn't clear. Probably ambiguous so people think he is doing something illegal


Neither, really. People are just asking questions. Questions like "what's he hiding?"
 
2012-08-01 12:59:22 PM

More_Like_A_Stain: bhcompy: Lernaeus: So, did Mitt Romney allegedly pay not taxes because of tax loopholes? If so, blame Charlie Rangel.

Tax evasion is another thing entirely.

/Real evasion, not legal deductions liberals love to spin into criminal tax evasion.
//Not supporting Romney or anything; just trying to cut through the bullsh*t.

Exactly, and it seems that this isn't clear. Probably ambiguous so people think he is doing something illegal

Neither, really. People are just asking questions. Questions like "what's he hiding?"


So what question did Harry Reid ask when he ambiguously stated that an unnamed source said that Romney didn't pay his taxes? And then said "how do I know this is true?". And then paraphrased this conversation to the public.
 
2012-08-01 01:08:34 PM

bhcompy: Lernaeus: So, did Mitt Romney allegedly pay not taxes because of tax loopholes? If so, blame Charlie Rangel.

Tax evasion is another thing entirely.

/Real evasion, not legal deductions liberals love to spin into criminal tax evasion.
//Not supporting Romney or anything; just trying to cut through the bullsh*t.

Exactly, and it seems that this isn't clear. Probably ambiguous so people think he is doing something illegal


I wonder why anyone would think Romney is hiding something?
 
2012-08-01 01:14:53 PM

FuturePastNow: Serious Black: FuturePastNow: Now this, this is how you attack a candidate's weakness.

I don't believe Romney paid zero taxes, and it sounds like Reid doesn't either, but Mittens has been practically begging for this accusation by withholding his financial info. And he has no recourse except to release that info, because the longer this accusation goes unchallenged, the stronger it'll get.

I'd say, in order of likelihood, what his past tax returns would reveal are:

1) Paying very low tax rates every year with maybe one year of a zero or negative tax rate.
2) IRS amnesty on a Swiss bank account.
3) Under-tithing the LDS Church.
4) Paying zero or negative tax rates every year.

I'm not sure which would be the most damaging...the first option clearly wouldn't be as bad as the fourth. But beyond that, it depends on the beholder.

That's not a mutually-exclusive list, it could be more than one. In fact, I think #1 and #3 are a given. I'd give #2 a 50/50 chance of appearing. If I had to give odds on #4, I'd say maybe 5%. It's possible, but it would take some damn fine loopholes to get someone with Romney's personal income a zero tax rate.

Most Americans would yawn at the prospect of Romney under-tithing his church, but LDS has a profit drive that would make a Ferengi envious; they take that shiat seriously. Shorting them is probably an excommunicable offense. Since his dubious claim to moral values is the only thing Mitt has to run on, his campaign has to keep him in good standing with his church.


In his case, "excommunication" should read "losing his temple recommend."
 
2012-08-01 01:17:02 PM

shower_in_my_socks: rubi_con_man:

What Reid did today was great. Hold Rmoney's feet to the fire if he wants to keep things from the American people.


There's a strategy that I'm surprised no one has tried:

Why won't Romney release his tax returns to show us how successful Americans manage their finances? Why doesn't Romney want all Americans to learn from his example? Everyone would love to save $$$ on taxes! Everyone wants to be as successful as the 0.1%!
 
2012-08-01 01:25:10 PM

roadkillontheweb: I am waiting for the commercial to come out with average citizens holding up their taxes and making the statement "I paid my share and I am not afraid to show it!" and then another "I paid my share and I am not afraid to show it!" and another "I paid my share and I am not afraid to show it!" with A scroll across the bottom of the screen. "why does Rmoney refuse to show his tax returns?

This message brought to you by every American tax payer.

Seems obvious enough, fits in a 30 second sound bite and should drive home the message?


That or to show how many things require you to disclose more about your finances than Romney has done to run for the office of "leader of the free world".

I just bought a house. To get the mortgage (under $100K) I had to disclose: a) FOUR years of COMPLETE tax returns including W-2s and 1099s; b) several months of all back account records; c) current financial records for ALL investments, 401k/403b's, etc.; d) current pay stubs.

He feels entitled to document FAR less than ordinary citizens do for routine financial transactions.
 
2012-08-01 01:28:04 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The missing Olympic records, the computers in MA, Bain and not-Bain, and inadequate tax records.

Obama will just easily paint Romney as secretive and untrustworthy in October.


Add to that his state residency issues (was he a MA or UT resident when he ran for governor?; why did he vote in MA AFTER he sold his house and moved to NH using as an address a basement at one of his son's properties?)...
 
2012-08-01 01:30:55 PM

Lernaeus: So, did Mitt Romney allegedly pay not taxes because of tax loopholes? If so, blame Charlie Rangel.

Tax evasion is another thing entirely.

/Real evasion, not legal deductions liberals love to spin into criminal tax evasion.
//Not supporting Romney or anything; just trying to cut through the bullsh*t.


Charlie Rangel isn't running for President of the United States.
Harry Reid isn't running for President of the United States

//Strawman arguments make you look like a tool.
 
2012-08-01 02:20:10 PM

tony41454: And Obama is using an illegal SS number and has no legal birth certificate. And won't release any records pertaining to his past. The pot calling the kettle black.......


Can Sarah Palin automatically become President already?

I mean COME ON
 
2012-08-01 02:26:47 PM

Lernaeus: So, did Mitt Romney allegedly pay not taxes because of tax loopholes? If so, blame Charlie Rangel.


"I'm just like you guys. I want to maximize my tax returns like all good Americans. Unlike most Americans, instead of using TurboTax or H&R Block, I use a team of Harvard-taught Tax Accountants that allow me to pay less taxes than you guys typically do, both in percentage and in real dollars. Don't blame me for being able to afford really skilled tax dodgers. Blame the Democrats for allowing me to do it. Please vote Republican in the fall. The tax loopholes for people like me will still be there - if anything, I'll make more of them. But at least Obama will be out of office."
 
2012-08-01 02:43:35 PM

Close2TheEdge: Lernaeus: So, did Mitt Romney allegedly pay not taxes because of tax loopholes? If so, blame Charlie Rangel.

Tax evasion is another thing entirely.

/Real evasion, not legal deductions liberals love to spin into criminal tax evasion.
//Not supporting Romney or anything; just trying to cut through the bullsh*t.

Charlie Rangel isn't running for President of the United States.
Harry Reid isn't running for President of the United States

// arguments make you look like a tool.


so if R-money released his returns and they showed that he was able to, through the use of various legal loopholes, end up with 0 tax liability, would everything be well and fine?

while I can't say I agree with being able to write off a $70k horse, if its allowable by the tax code can you really blame the guy for doing it?

I guess I don't understand why this has to be some pissing match over which candidate paid more taxes and is thereby a better American TM. If Romney commited tax fraud thats one thing, but if he was able to whittle his liability down to 0 by legal means, who is really at fault?

I'm not voting for the guy but I don't think paying 0 taxes is necessarily grounds for automatic disqualification. But without him releasing his returns, we might as well assume the worst.
 
2012-08-01 02:54:47 PM

Lando Lincoln: Lernaeus: So, did Mitt Romney allegedly pay not taxes because of tax loopholes? If so, blame Charlie Rangel.

"I'm just like you guys. I want to maximize my tax returns like all good Americans. Unlike most Americans, instead of using TurboTax or H&R Block, I use a team of Harvard-taught Tax Accountants that allow me to pay less taxes than you guys typically do, both in percentage and in real dollars. Don't blame me for being able to afford really skilled tax dodgers. Blame the Democrats for allowing me to do it. Please vote Republican in the fall. The tax loopholes for people like me will still be there - if anything, I'll make more of them. But at least Obama will be out of office."


Which is funny since Reagan closed tax loopholes as a means of raising taxes without raising taxes, and current Dems and Repubs have been formulating ways to do that since the debt debate hit a while back as a way to raise taxes without violating stupid tax pledges. So try not to act like Republicans are the party of tax loopholes.

ursomniac: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The missing Olympic records, the computers in MA, Bain and not-Bain, and inadequate tax records.

Obama will just easily paint Romney as secretive and untrustworthy in October.

Add to that his state residency issues (was he a MA or UT resident when he ran for governor?; why did he vote in MA AFTER he sold his house and moved to NH using as an address a basement at one of his son's properties?)...


And this is the same non-starter argument that was raised against Hillary when she ran in New York with questionable residency. It was a lame argument then and it's a lame argument now.
 
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