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2012-08-01 08:54:53 AM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: TIKIMAN87: Byn: I doubt Reid believes it himself, but damn if it's not a really good way to force Mitt to prove that he's wrong.

Well played, Harry. Well played.

Well thats how liberals work.

They shout lies about republicans.

Sad ain't it.

Only one way to prove it's a lie.


I have been informed that until President Obama releases microfilm of his birth certificate, his school transcripts from kindergarten to college, his complete medical history, his mother's complete medical history and a copy of a passport issued by Pakistan (why President Obama should have a passport issued by Pakistan was never explained despite numerous inquiries), his request for Romney to release tax returns for the previous ten years is entirely unreasonable and hypocritical.
 
2012-08-01 08:57:06 AM  

shower_in_my_socks: And at least you CAN go through his tax returns, since he's release 10+ years of them.


Obama's been a public figure for the last 10 years, so his personal finances are available via a FOIA request, amirite?
 
2012-08-01 09:01:49 AM  
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2012-08-01 09:09:11 AM  
whoa, we got some serious internet business going on in this thread.
 
2012-08-01 09:15:28 AM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: TIKIMAN87: Byn: I doubt Reid believes it himself, but damn if it's not a really good way to force Mitt to prove that he's wrong.

Well played, Harry. Well played.

Well thats how liberals work.

They shout lies about republicans.

Sad ain't it.

Only one way to prove it's a lie.


So anyone can make a claim against anyone and they are required to prove it's a lie?

Obviously that's all Obama and the liberals have this November. That is the lowest of the low... Then again I would not have expected anymore looking back on Obamas record. There is nothing Reid or Obama can run on besides pull lie out of their asses. Thats how liberalism works. They are cowards.
 
2012-08-01 09:17:32 AM  
Harry Reid knows a guy who heard a rumor about a candidate's taxes. SHUT. DOWN. EVERYTHING.
 
2012-08-01 09:18:18 AM  
Funny, when they did this to Obama it was "all he has to do is show the birth certificate," and that was for an abnormal request

Romney is refusing to do something that presidents have done for years.

WHAR TAX RETURNS WHAR

All he has to do is show them!
 
2012-08-01 09:19:00 AM  
FTFA: The highest ranked Democrat in Congress, Reid is known more as a back room brawler than a public flamethrower.

{citation needed}
 
2012-08-01 09:23:14 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: FTFA: The highest ranked Democrat in Congress, Reid is known more as a back room brawler than a public flamethrower.

{citation needed}


The first rule of Harry Reid is that you don't talk about Harry Reid.
 
2012-08-01 09:24:17 AM  
This discussion is nice, but.... where are Romney's tax returns? If he didn't do anything wrong, there's a simple way to fix this.
 
2012-08-01 09:27:19 AM  

Brandyelf: This discussion is nice, but.... where are Romney's tax returns? If he didn't do anything wrong, there's a simple way to fix this.


Well, he has them, but they're written on golden plates.

And he's not allowed to show them to anyone else.

But he'll tell you exactly what's in them.

Trust him.
 
2012-08-01 09:27:24 AM  

Grungehamster: SwingingJohnson: Romney took a $77,000 deduction on his 2010 tax return for the care and feeding of his dancing horse.

He somehow made his horse a business expense.

Does this mean I could have claimed all that money spent on ALPO for my dog?

Is your dog prepping for Westminster? I understand the criticism of his horse to paint him as elitest, but if the horse is genuinely trained for competition or show (barrel racing, dressage, etc.; even a circus act counts) then it either generates income or has a chance of doing so, making it a business expense.

I do think the "attacks on the horse are attacks on my wife and her disease" response was even more ridiculous though.


What kind of income can the horse generate to be a business tax deduction?

There is no cash prize in the Olympics. Those horses don't get contracts to have their photos on a box of Wheaties or get Nike contracts.

If a horse wins any prize money it is pretty much a gamble that the animal will win any purse. It's not a race horse. How can you justify that as a legitimate business deduction?

If I use my dog to guard my junk yard... is that dog and his care and feeding now worth a tax deduction? At least my dog would have a real business related job.

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2012-08-01 09:30:09 AM  
Being on the wrong side of history is EXACTLY what Christ preached. Christ was the epitome of "wrong side of history" You simply fail to realize that everything He said went against the prevailing culture of the time.


someone has a brain problem...

/also, if someone threatens with lions over the internet, try not to freak out too much. You'll come off looking silly mentally ill.
 
2012-08-01 09:30:21 AM  

Brandyelf: This discussion is nice, but.... where are Romney's tax returns? If he didn't do anything wrong, there's a simple way to fix this.


Right? I mean, it worked for Oba----wait a minute....

OK, so maybe Birthers still farked that chicken all the way down to the subatomic level after the birth certificate was released. Whatever

Obama released the document the idiot Birthers wanted. Most politicians released several years of their tax records, almost certainly every other candidate has except for Mitt Romney.

It is crystal clear that Romney has something to hide.
 
2012-08-01 09:30:50 AM  

Grungehamster: SwingingJohnson: Romney took a $77,000 deduction on his 2010 tax return for the care and feeding of his dancing horse.

He somehow made his horse a business expense.

Does this mean I could have claimed all that money spent on ALPO for my dog?

Is your dog prepping for Westminster? I understand the criticism of his horse to paint him as elitest, but if the horse is genuinely trained for competition or show (barrel racing, dressage, etc.; even a circus act counts) then it either generates income or has a chance of doing so, making it a business expense.

I do think the "attacks on the horse are attacks on my wife and her disease" response was even more ridiculous though.


Oh yeah... that's another thing.

He said he got the horse as therapy for his wife. So that's a $77K business tax deduction now?
 
2012-08-01 09:31:13 AM  
There's only one course of action, if Mitt Romney wants to prove Senator Reid wrong.
 
2012-08-01 09:31:38 AM  

SwingingJohnson: What kind of income can the horse generate to be a business tax deduction?


The horse wasn't 'deducted'. It's considered a passive activity, and listed as losses which can ONLY be used against future earnings from passive activities. Their amount of income that was actually written off in the one released tax return was $50.

If they win $77k as a purse in a dancing horse competition, they can write that off. If they find a bag with $77k on the street, they can't write that off.

SwingingJohnson: If I use my dog to guard my junk yard... is that dog and his care and feeding now worth a tax deduction?


Most likely.
 
2012-08-01 09:31:50 AM  

TIKIMAN87: So anyone can make a claim against anyone and they are required to prove it's a lie?

Obviously that's all Obama and the liberals have this November. That is the lowest of the low... Then again I would not have expected anymore looking back on Obamas record. There is nothing Reid or Obama can run on besides pull lie out of their asses. Thats how liberalism works. They are cowards.


How pathetic that your boys just spent the past 4 years yelling about the President being a foreign born Muslim usurper and calling for him to release his birth certificate with no proof of their claims, yet you can actually pull this kind of hypocritical statement regarding Romney's tax returns. The mental gymnastics you must be pulling in that head of yours would definitely help us get another gold in London.
 
2012-08-01 09:33:38 AM  
It is funny to see Reid "Fox News" somebody.

Is Mitt a dirty tax cheat who kicks cute little puppies? I'm not saying he is... I'm just asking questions!
 
2012-08-01 09:36:20 AM  

Xetal: It is funny to see Reid "Fox News" somebody.

Is Mitt a dirty tax cheat who kicks cute little puppies? I'm not saying he is... I'm just asking questions!


I would like to see that become a thing: He was totally "foxed newsed" on that issue.
 
2012-08-01 09:37:25 AM  

JerseyTim: I don't trust Harry Reid not to have gotten played here.


There is only one way to find out if he has been played...
 
2012-08-01 09:39:42 AM  
I'm not saying that Harry Reid has been involved in shady land deals where he used his power and influence to make a killing...

No wait, I am saying that because its true.
 
2012-08-01 09:41:00 AM  

mainstreet62: Brandyelf: This discussion is nice, but.... where are Romney's tax returns? If he didn't do anything wrong, there's a simple way to fix this.

Right? I mean, it worked for Oba----wait a minute....

OK, so maybe Birthers still farked that chicken all the way down to the subatomic level after the birth certificate was released. Whatever

Obama released the document the idiot Birthers wanted. Most politicians released several years of their tax records, almost certainly every other candidate has except for Mitt Romney.

It is crystal clear that Romney has something to hide.


The key difference between Obama's birth certificate and Romney's tax returns is that withholding his birth certificate for so long actually helped Obama. It sent the teabaggers into a frenzy, alienating moderates and independents who almost universally thought the whole thing was a ridiculous sideshow.

Romney, OTOH, is going to be burned badly for not releasing his returns. Obama will set the narrative that he's a rich empty suit, who was only successful because he was born into wealth and the rules didn't apply to him. Refusing to disclose the same documents that everybody else has disclosed for decades will play into that narrative.

Of course, without knowing what's in the returns, it's impossible to say whether this is a smart move. If he really didn't pay taxes for ten years, that would be a good reason to withhold them, even knowing all the heat he's going to take.
 
2012-08-01 09:42:18 AM  

randomjsa: I'm not saying that Harry Reid has been involved in shady land deals where he used his power and influence to make a killing...

No wait, I am saying that because its true.


So true that you'd only be too happy to cite the shady deals you're referring to, correct?
 
2012-08-01 09:44:09 AM  

imontheinternet: mainstreet62: Brandyelf: This discussion is nice, but.... where are Romney's tax returns? If he didn't do anything wrong, there's a simple way to fix this.

Right? I mean, it worked for Oba----wait a minute....

OK, so maybe Birthers still farked that chicken all the way down to the subatomic level after the birth certificate was released. Whatever

Obama released the document the idiot Birthers wanted. Most politicians released several years of their tax records, almost certainly every other candidate has except for Mitt Romney.

It is crystal clear that Romney has something to hide.

The key difference between Obama's birth certificate and Romney's tax returns is that withholding his birth certificate for so long actually helped Obama. It sent the teabaggers into a frenzy, alienating moderates and independents who almost universally thought the whole thing was a ridiculous sideshow.

Romney, OTOH, is going to be burned badly for not releasing his returns. Obama will set the narrative that he's a rich empty suit, who was only successful because he was born into wealth and the rules didn't apply to him. Refusing to disclose the same documents that everybody else has disclosed for decades will play into that narrative.

Of course, without knowing what's in the returns, it's impossible to say whether this is a smart move. If he really didn't pay taxes for ten years, that would be a good reason to withhold them, even knowing all the heat he's going to take.


Completely agree. There is zero political advantage in withholding tax returns, but holding that birth certificate for so long was a master stroke, especially since 1 week later Obama issued the order that took out Osama Bin Laden. Those 2 events stacked nicely.
 
2012-08-01 09:45:23 AM  

Epoch_Zero: randomjsa: I'm not saying that Harry Reid has been involved in shady land deals where he used his power and influence to make a killing...

No wait, I am saying that because its true.

So true that you'd only be too happy to cite the shady deals you're referring to, correct?


Their way to shady to cite, stupid lib.
 
2012-08-01 09:45:45 AM  

InvertedB: TIKIMAN87: So anyone can make a claim against anyone and they are required to prove it's a lie?

Obviously that's all Obama and the liberals have this November. That is the lowest of the low... Then again I would not have expected anymore looking back on Obamas record. There is nothing Reid or Obama can run on besides pull lie out of their asses. Thats how liberalism works. They are cowards.

How pathetic that your boys just spent the past 4 years yelling about the President being a foreign born Muslim usurper and calling for him to release his birth certificate with no proof of their claims, yet you can actually pull this kind of hypocritical statement regarding Romney's tax returns. The mental gymnastics you must be pulling in that head of yours would definitely help us get another gold in London.


You're just mad that your liar in cheif will lose in November.
 
2012-08-01 09:46:49 AM  

mainstreet62: There is zero political advantage in withholding tax returns, but holding that birth certificate for so long was a master stroke, especially since 1 week later Obama issued the order that took out Osama Bin Laden. Those 2 events stacked nicely.


It was shorter than that. IIRC, he released the birth certificate on a Friday, had the press corps dinner over the weekend where he roasted Trump for an hour, then announced bin Laden's death on Monday.
 
2012-08-01 09:46:51 AM  

FlashHarry:
Either way, it's a darn interesting "no-win" situation from a guy who's essentially been running for president for YEARS. What the heck was he thinking?

this is what i don't get. and it's amazing he's gotten this far.


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Look who his competition was.
 
2012-08-01 09:50:48 AM  

Sqrxz: Dinki: FlashHarry: whatever it is, clearly mittens thinks the political fallout for not releasing his returns is preferable to the fallout that would come from releasing them.

And why shouldn't he? The GOP knows that our main stream media have the attention span of a 3 year old with ADD. They know that by the time the debates come around this issue will be so old that it won't even come up.

Our media organizations are a pathetic joke.

Pathetic joke = publishing this comment from Reid that could have been completely fabricated and treating it like it could be more than halfway true. Yes, Romney hasn't released his taxes, and that raises suspicion, but have some discretion about what you publish. If John Boehner tomorrow says that he heard from a source in the White House that President Obama has cheated on his wife, should that be reported as NEWS? No. There must be a distinction between OPINIONS, which are fine to disseminate, and FALSE ("evidence not needed because obvious or we want to believe") "FACTS".

Informed opinions and facts are for news. False "facts" are for tabloids. MSM is no longer news but a tabloid with news on page 4.


Yea, the MSM is full of it!

Good thing I watch Fox News, where I can get the *real* truth!

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2012-08-01 09:54:30 AM  

bwilson27: FlashHarry:
Either way, it's a darn interesting "no-win" situation from a guy who's essentially been running for president for YEARS. What the heck was he thinking?

this is what i don't get. and it's amazing he's gotten this far.


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Look who his competition was.


Once upon a time, I thought it would be super lulzy to have Bachmann or Santorum as the nominee. I don't know if it could get any lulzier than Romney, though. His campaign up until now has been an utter disaster.
 
2012-08-01 09:56:31 AM  
Unfounded accusations aren't as fun when they're leveled against your guy, eh GOP?
 
2012-08-01 09:56:49 AM  
Now this, this is how you attack a candidate's weakness.

I don't believe Romney paid zero taxes, and it sounds like Reid doesn't either, but Mittens has been practically begging for this accusation by withholding his financial info. And he has no recourse except to release that info, because the longer this accusation goes unchallenged, the stronger it'll get.
 
2012-08-01 09:57:38 AM  

downpaymentblues: Loucifer: You know you're a biatch if Harry Reid can slap you around.

From Wikipedia:

Reid's boyhood home had no indoor toilet, hot water or telephone. Searchlight had no high school, so Reid boarded with relatives 40 miles away in Henderson, Nevada, to attend Basic High School[1] where he played football, and was an amateur boxer


Not only that, but there's lots of radiation and ghouls everywhere.
 
2012-08-01 09:59:24 AM  

FuturePastNow: Now this, this is how you attack a candidate's weakness.

I don't believe Romney paid zero taxes, and it sounds like Reid doesn't either, but Mittens has been practically begging for this accusation by withholding his financial info. And he has no recourse except to release that info, because the longer this accusation goes unchallenged, the stronger it'll get.


WHAR TAX RETRNS
RMONEY
WHAR
 
2012-08-01 10:02:40 AM  

mainstreet62: Brandyelf: This discussion is nice, but.... where are Romney's tax returns? If he didn't do anything wrong, there's a simple way to fix this.

Right? I mean, it worked for Oba----wait a minute....

OK, so maybe Birthers still farked that chicken all the way down to the subatomic level after the birth certificate was released. Whatever

Obama released the document the idiot Birthers wanted. Most politicians released several years of their tax records, almost certainly every other candidate has except for Mitt Romney.

It is crystal clear that Romney has something to hide.


It's also crystal clear that at least one person in this thread does not want us to focus on the topic of Romney's tax returns and what might be in them. He must be doing well, since a lot of you are falling for it.

Romney's wife flat out said that things in there could (and would) be used by the left to make Romney look bad, and that they'd given "you people" all we needed to know. I disagree, I think we need to see more tax returns, specifically 2009.
 
2012-08-01 10:04:35 AM  

MithrandirBooga: themindiswatching: None of the Fark conservatives are ironically (considering a lot of them are birthers) defending Romney on this? You guys are slipping.

Politics tab threads are usually never published this late in the evening. The GOP shills know the schedule and come swarming in only when they expect articles to be published. It's not like their handlers are going to pay them for 24/7 trolling after all, they're business-minded people concerned about the bottom line, and off-hours 'grassroots' trolling isn't financially viable to them.


The employed on fark (those you call the GOP shills) have jobs. Sorry we all can't be weaver living off the dole. There is no reason for Romney to release his returns. It is not required as a function of becoming president. It will only be used to attack him. The fact that liberals were so farking retarded with the SEC papers prove he was actively managing bain! shiat shows they have no understanding of the legalities of business. So there is no point. Fark liberals are especially farking stupid and would have no understanding of what is behind Romney's deductions. If he took even 10 dollars off because he bought a pen for business, he would be attacked. Yet the fark retard brigade didn't bat an eye when Obama used every legal tax deduction possible such as giving his kids money. It's a farking hypocritical stance, so releasing his tax documents would have no benefit and only add fire for the derp brigade.
I also love how the liberals in this thread are supporting Reid saying Romney's dead dad would be disappointed in his son, such a great and classy statement from Reid. It shows the level of discourse from the left.
 
2012-08-01 10:05:26 AM  
I really want to see some journalists waving 1040 forms at Romney events.
 
2012-08-01 10:07:21 AM  

Grungehamster: Romney was just trying to deflect the horse issue since horse riding is a treatment for MS some people do use. No clue if she actually rides or the treatment is prescribed to her, but the primary interest Anne Romney has in the horse appears to be because she's a fan of the sport and is involved in it as a financier for this horse's training by professionals.


Yup. It was nothing but an appeal to emotion and an attempt to paint it as a medical expense. That writing off $77k for dancing horses as a medical expense would be even stupider than writing them off as a business expense is just a hilarity cherry.

Grungehamster: Sprawl explained it pretty well; if you can qualify something as a business activity you can write off the costs generated by said activity. It's why small business owners who claim "I can't afford to pay taxes on my revenues if I am barely braking even with my costs" are full of it or are in serious need of tax advice.


I'm not sure if you mean this in terms of small business owners writing off their costs as business expenses or declaring them as passive activity losses. A small business owner wouldn't be able to list his expenses as a passive activity unless he didn't do shiat with the business other than collect a check and pay the bills.
 
2012-08-01 10:08:01 AM  

TIKIMAN87: InvertedB: TIKIMAN87: So anyone can make a claim against anyone and they are required to prove it's a lie?

Obviously that's all Obama and the liberals have this November. That is the lowest of the low... Then again I would not have expected anymore looking back on Obamas record. There is nothing Reid or Obama can run on besides pull lie out of their asses. Thats how liberalism works. They are cowards.

How pathetic that your boys just spent the past 4 years yelling about the President being a foreign born Muslim usurper and calling for him to release his birth certificate with no proof of their claims, yet you can actually pull this kind of hypocritical statement regarding Romney's tax returns. The mental gymnastics you must be pulling in that head of yours would definitely help us get another gold in London.

You're just mad that your liar in cheif will lose in November.


Now that's classic, a Romney supporter talking about how someone else is a liar!

LMFAO!
 
2012-08-01 10:08:37 AM  

shotglasss: Nabb1: Headline reminded me of this:

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I can't blame them. I think if I were in the President's shoes, I would definitely want the election to be all about Romney's tax returns. Not that Romney's a real gem...

That's obvious. The last thing Obama wants to talk about is what he's accomplished over the last three and a half years.


Woops, meant to quote this not walkingtall.
 
2012-08-01 10:09:20 AM  

Harry_Seldon: October Surprise:

Warren Buffet will come out and drop a bomb on Romney's dealings at Bain.


you mean poop, right? Warren Buffet will come out and poop on Romney's tax returns.
 
2012-08-01 10:11:00 AM  

Graffito: Xetal: It is funny to see Reid "Fox News" somebody.

Is Mitt a dirty tax cheat who kicks cute little puppies? I'm not saying he is... I'm just asking questions!

I would like to see that become a thing: He was totally "foxed newsed" on that issue.


It's already kind of a thing, except it's referred to as a cavuto. The cavuto is the punctuation mark at the end of a headline like "Mitt Romney: Tax Evader?" or "Is Barack Obama Working To Destroy America?" Looking identical to a question mark, the cavuto is a useful tool in journalism to accuse someone of scandal and leave the audience to assume the charge is true (or at least assume that the argument has merit) without the host/writer ever actually making any allegation that would hurt the "journalist's" credibility.
 
2012-08-01 10:11:07 AM  

Brandyelf: It's also crystal clear that at least one person in this thread does not want us to focus on the topic of Romney's tax returns and what might be in them. He must be doing well, since a lot of you are falling for it.


Point taken. In my defense I was bored.

Romney's wife flat out said that things in there could (and would) be used by the left to make Romney look bad, and that they'd given "you people" all we needed to know. I disagree, I think we need to see more tax returns, specifically 2009.

Dollars to donuts he took the tax dodger amnesty deal.
 
2012-08-01 10:11:56 AM  
You pathetic losers can kiss Romney's ass. You are just jealous.
 
2012-08-01 10:13:25 AM  
Romney may not be worried about people knowing what he hid from the government so much as his church knowing what he hid from them.
 
2012-08-01 10:14:39 AM  

EngineerBoy: Here's my favorite quote from Reid in that article:

"We feel comfortable in the Senate. Where the problem is, is this: Because of the Citizens United decision, Karl Rove and the Republicans are looking forward to a breakfast the day after the election. They are going to assemble 17 angry old white men for breakfast, some of them will slobber in their food, some will have scrambled eggs, some will have oatmeal, their teeth are gone. But these 17 angry old white men will say, 'Hey, we just bought America. Wasn't so bad. We still have a whole lot of money left.'"

Well-spoken, sir...


Jesus. Karl Rove must be what democrat parents scare their children with at night.

Father speaking to daughter "Honey if you don't go to sleep right now I'll tell Karl Rove where we live" child screams " NO DADDY NO I LOVE YOU AND MOMMY!!!!" - cut sceen to Karl Rove waiting by a phone upward lighting with a gilded copy of citizens united behind him

I dont know any republicans that use James Carville as some sort of boogyman.

FFS and they say the republicans have a short memory - shouldn't Harry be pushing some sort of gun control bill or something?
 
2012-08-01 10:14:54 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Romney may not be worried about people knowing what he hid from the government so much as his church knowing what he hid from them.


The only thing Romney could be afraid of in this scenario is public condemnation by the LDS, and I don't think the LDS would publicly castigate their most powerful politician.
 
2012-08-01 10:15:07 AM  

DaSwankOne: You pathetic losers can kiss Romney's ass. You are just jealous.


I don't care that he's got money. I'd just like to know how he got it and what he does with it.
 
2012-08-01 10:15:17 AM  

FuturePastNow: Now this, this is how you attack a candidate's weakness.

I don't believe Romney paid zero taxes, and it sounds like Reid doesn't either, but Mittens has been practically begging for this accusation by withholding his financial info. And he has no recourse except to release that info, because the longer this accusation goes unchallenged, the stronger it'll get.


I'd say, in order of likelihood, what his past tax returns would reveal are:

1) Paying very low tax rates every year with maybe one year of a zero or negative tax rate.
2) IRS amnesty on a Swiss bank account.
3) Under-tithing the LDS Church.
4) Paying zero or negative tax rates every year.

I'm not sure which would be the most damaging...the first option clearly wouldn't be as bad as the fourth. But beyond that, it depends on the beholder.
 
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