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(Huffington Post)   Harry Reid: "I'm not saying Mitt Romney paid no taxes for ten years... but Mitt Romney paid no taxes for ten years"   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 383
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2012-08-01 12:08:44 AM  

EnviroDude: so the leader of the Senate that gets his money from insider trading and favors from his contributors, the guy that has his sons working as lobbiests, the guy that made millions in real estate from political favors is attacking the rich guy for adhering to a tax code that is written by the Senate the leader heads. and democrats are outraged at Romney?


We don't know if Romney adhered to the tax code or not. I'm assuming not, otherwise he wouldn't be hiding his returns now would he?
 
2012-08-01 12:09:32 AM  
On a side note, I'm really curious to know if Obama knows what Romney's hiding.
 
2012-08-01 12:10:20 AM  

Weaver95: Romney is terrified of his own tax records. i'm 99.99% sure he didn't break any laws tho, so if he's done nothing illegal Romney should just man up and release his records.



whatstrending.com


Weav, even though I'm the librulest lib to ever lib, you've shown up in bright green for years because of stuff like this. So true.


/no homo
 
2012-08-01 12:12:37 AM  

shower_in_my_socks: The GOP could have nominated some faux-everyman with maybe a few mil in the bank, and they could have kept the "rich pay too much!" insanity going through the election. Instead, they nominated Richie Rich who is paying impossibly low tax rates that the average American can only dream of. How many jobs did Romney "create" with all of those tax breaks? How can a guy who paid little-to-no taxes say the rich are still paying too much?


Hell, they could've nominated Huntsman, a super wealthy Mormon moderate, and not had the same problems.
 
2012-08-01 12:13:45 AM  
If only there was a way Romney could end all this speculation...
 
2012-08-01 12:14:22 AM  

Bontesla: wejash: JerseyTim: I'm also sticking with the "really, really undertithed" theory.


The "I didn't pay any taxes -- and that proves how farked up our Tax Code is BUT ALSO how smart I am!" ad practically writes itself. Who doesn't cheer for someone sneaky enough to get away with something completely legally, at some level?

The way-under-tithed thing is really interesting. If he has to catch-up tens of millions to LDS, he might be willing to take the hit politically in return for keeping the cash. After all, he's mostly spending other people's money on this campaign as well.

I worked for a mormon family. A cousin of the family was caught under tithing (the separated and scorned wife tipped off the sect leaders).

It was a huge freaking deal. The church used him as an example during sermons. They constantly bullied him. Members approached him - sent their children to approach him.


Sounds like a lost early scene from Children of the Corn before the kids took over...
 
2012-08-01 12:15:32 AM  
He's both the 1% AND the 47%. What now GOP shills? How about HIM paying his fair share?
 
2012-08-01 12:16:22 AM  
The Romney campaign's press secretary, Andrea Saul, has previously denied rumors that Romney didn't pay "any taxes at all."

Oh, I'm sure at some point he bought a pack of gum of something and paid sales tax on it.
 
2012-08-01 12:17:11 AM  

farkityfarker: On a side note, I'm really curious to know if Obama knows what Romney's hiding.


He controls the IRS, of course he knows.
 
2012-08-01 12:18:20 AM  

AkaDad: If only there was a way Romney could end all this speculation...


I'm guessing that he realizes that releasing the returns would end his hopes for winning the election. So he's going to try to ride it out instead.
 
2012-08-01 12:18:31 AM  
Yeah... I'm going with extremely low tax rate.

He's too important to the LDS for tithing to be an issue. Even if he undertithed by millions, they'd just have a revelation about why his tithing math is valid. The value of having the first Mormon president is worth way more than a few million, plus no one would care about the tithing issue outside the church.

Even the UBS/amnesty issue has few legs. Too complex to work into soundbites.

But embarrassing low tax rate? Simple to exploit in an ad, and particularly effective with blue collar rust belt workers that Obama needs to win.
 
2012-08-01 12:19:27 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Lsherm: czei: Sure, Mitt can release his tax returns, but then how do we know that they're *really* his tax returns? They could be easily faked, so maybe we should get some county Sheriff to look 'em over just to make sure.

Seriously, though, Romney doesn't need to release them, all it'll take is a question at the debates that brings up the subject, where either the moderator flat out asks each candidate how much they paid in taxes, or Obama says "I've paid 30% in taxes for decades", how about you?

Small point of correction, but Obama didn't pay 30%, either. I haven't gone through all of his tax returns, but he's still paying less than the average American. However, he's almost certainly paying more than Romney.

Your own article says he pays much more than the average American. He paid slightly less than the average 1%er because he gave a bunch to charity.


The Mormon church is not a "charity" it is a hate group masquerading as a church.

/see Prop. 8 in California if you don't believe me
 
2012-08-01 12:20:15 AM  
Come on, Mitt. We just want to see your tax returns

encrypted-tbn1.google.com

since the year 2000
 
2012-08-01 12:21:49 AM  
Whisper campaigns are low rent.
 
2012-08-01 12:21:59 AM  

Lsherm: Three Crooked Squirrels: Lsherm: czei: Sure, Mitt can release his tax returns, but then how do we know that they're *really* his tax returns? They could be easily faked, so maybe we should get some county Sheriff to look 'em over just to make sure.

Seriously, though, Romney doesn't need to release them, all it'll take is a question at the debates that brings up the subject, where either the moderator flat out asks each candidate how much they paid in taxes, or Obama says "I've paid 30% in taxes for decades", how about you?

Small point of correction, but Obama didn't pay 30%, either. I haven't gone through all of his tax returns, but he's still paying less than the average American. However, he's almost certainly paying more than Romney.

Your own article says he pays much more than the average American. He paid slightly less than the average 1%er because he gave a bunch to charity.

OK, fair enough. But he didn't pay 30%.


Fine, he didn't pay 30%. But of the two of them, Obama is the only one trying to get the wealthy to carry their weight so this country can get back on its feet again. Romney is trying to figure out how he can keep ALL of his skin out of the game, and how to take some of your skin too.
 
2012-08-01 12:22:52 AM  

farkityfarker: On a side note, I'm really curious to know if Obama knows what Romney's hiding.


A guy like romney has many many people who know about his finances. Of course they could never talk about them legally, but a back room conversation seems likely. I would bet Obama knows, along with just about everybody in Washington dc at this point. Hell at least few dozen people at the IRS know for sure and their are many ways to to tell something without actually saying it outright. Romney is an idiot of he thinks he can count on everyone to keep his secrets.
 
2012-08-01 12:24:33 AM  
So, Ron Paul at the convention, eh?
 
2012-08-01 12:26:22 AM  

my lip balm addiction: Lsherm: Three Crooked Squirrels: Lsherm: czei: Sure, Mitt can release his tax returns, but then how do we know that they're *really* his tax returns? They could be easily faked, so maybe we should get some county Sheriff to look 'em over just to make sure.

Seriously, though, Romney doesn't need to release them, all it'll take is a question at the debates that brings up the subject, where either the moderator flat out asks each candidate how much they paid in taxes, or Obama says "I've paid 30% in taxes for decades", how about you?

Small point of correction, but Obama didn't pay 30%, either. I haven't gone through all of his tax returns, but he's still paying less than the average American. However, he's almost certainly paying more than Romney.

Your own article says he pays much more than the average American. He paid slightly less than the average 1%er because he gave a bunch to charity.

OK, fair enough. But he didn't pay 30%.

Fine, he didn't pay 30%. But of the two of them, Obama is the only one trying to get the wealthy to carry their weight so this country can get back on its feet again. Romney is trying to figure out how he can keep ALL of his skin out of the game, and how to take some of your skin too.


How much Obama paid is irrelevant.

What's relevant is that we know how much he paid. We have no idea how much Romney paid.
 
2012-08-01 12:27:39 AM  

farkityfarker: On a side note, I'm really curious to know if Obama knows what Romney's hiding.


Well, I went digging and found out that the Commissioner of the IRS is a 5 year appointment, so unlikely a Bush holdover would help him. But, I still get the feeling he knows. He has to. He's got a whole network of people within and outside the government to find out this kind of stuff. Legally or illegally, these words have no place. I'm thinking he's got to know.

However, I did find this pretty nugget of info on the IRS wiki page...

Reporter Jack White of The Providence Journal, won the Pulitzer Prize for reporting about Nixon's tax returns. Nixon, with a salary of $200,000, paid $792.81 in federal income tax in 1970 and $878.03 in 1971, with deductions of $571,000 for donating "vice-presidential papers".[10] This was one of the reasons for his famous statement: "Well, I'm not a crook. I've earned everything I've got."

Sound's pretty f*cking familiar.
 
2012-08-01 12:30:01 AM  
media.katu.com

"Who puts door knobs in the centre? Sheeesh. Ah ha! Ha. Ahahahaha!
 
2012-08-01 12:33:25 AM  

propasaurus: shower_in_my_socks: The GOP could have nominated some faux-everyman with maybe a few mil in the bank, and they could have kept the "rich pay too much!" insanity going through the election. Instead, they nominated Richie Rich who is paying impossibly low tax rates that the average American can only dream of. How many jobs did Romney "create" with all of those tax breaks? How can a guy who paid little-to-no taxes say the rich are still paying too much?

Hell, they could've nominated Huntsman, a super wealthy Mormon moderate, and not had the same problems.


Oh so motherfarking THIS!

/and then the GOP would have had a real chance instead of the insanity brigade they are shoving down our throats
//is there a single European country that Romney didn't have to backtrack or apologize to?
 
2012-08-01 12:35:52 AM  

farkityfarker: my lip balm addiction: Lsherm: Three Crooked Squirrels: Lsherm: czei: Sure, Mitt can release his tax returns, but then how do we know that they're *really* his tax returns? They could be easily faked, so maybe we should get some county Sheriff to look 'em over just to make sure.

Seriously, though, Romney doesn't need to release them, all it'll take is a question at the debates that brings up the subject, where either the moderator flat out asks each candidate how much they paid in taxes, or Obama says "I've paid 30% in taxes for decades", how about you?

Small point of correction, but Obama didn't pay 30%, either. I haven't gone through all of his tax returns, but he's still paying less than the average American. However, he's almost certainly paying more than Romney.

Your own article says he pays much more than the average American. He paid slightly less than the average 1%er because he gave a bunch to charity.

OK, fair enough. But he didn't pay 30%.

Fine, he didn't pay 30%. But of the two of them, Obama is the only one trying to get the wealthy to carry their weight so this country can get back on its feet again. Romney is trying to figure out how he can keep ALL of his skin out of the game, and how to take some of your skin too.

How much Obama paid is irrelevant.

What's relevant is that we know how much he paid. We have no idea how much Romney paid.


true dat
 
2012-08-01 12:37:43 AM  

FlashHarry: whatever it is, clearly mittens thinks the political fallout for not releasing his returns is preferable to the fallout that would come from releasing them.


His campaign could plausibly survive the fallout from revelation that he paid no or very low taxes for ten years. What couldn't survive is the right-wing meme that "Job Creators are overtaxed." That in turn would defeat the whole purpose of putting a Republican in the White House, which is to create more tax loopholes and subsidies for the uber-rich, all the while cutting public assistance for everyone else.
 
2012-08-01 12:39:14 AM  

farkityfarker: On a side note, I'm really curious to know if Obama knows what Romney's hiding.


It beggars belief that there isn't someone on McCain's team who saw the returns and has passed on the goodies.

Human nature to want to boast about "I know ...." plus dislike of Romney

So very high probability that Obama knows, but he doesn't want to be seen as slinging unsubstantiated mud.

So you'd think he'd find someone to act as a stalking horse ... oh wait
 
2012-08-01 12:42:03 AM  

my lip balm addiction: Three Crooked Squirrels: Lsherm: czei: Sure, Mitt can release his tax returns, but then how do we know that they're *really* his tax returns? They could be easily faked, so maybe we should get some county Sheriff to look 'em over just to make sure.

Seriously, though, Romney doesn't need to release them, all it'll take is a question at the debates that brings up the subject, where either the moderator flat out asks each candidate how much they paid in taxes, or Obama says "I've paid 30% in taxes for decades", how about you?

Small point of correction, but Obama didn't pay 30%, either. I haven't gone through all of his tax returns, but he's still paying less than the average American. However, he's almost certainly paying more than Romney.

Your own article says he pays much more than the average American. He paid slightly less than the average 1%er because he gave a bunch to charity.

The Mormon church is not a "charity" it is a hate group masquerading as a church.

/see Prop. 8 in California if you don't believe me


I'm pretty sure Obama didn't give to the LDS. Read that post over.
 
2012-08-01 12:43:32 AM  

bugontherug: FlashHarry: whatever it is, clearly mittens thinks the political fallout for not releasing his returns is preferable to the fallout that would come from releasing them.

His campaign could plausibly survive the fallout from revelation that he paid no or very low taxes for ten years. What couldn't survive is the right-wing meme that "Job Creators are overtaxed." That in turn would defeat the whole purpose of putting a Republican in the White House, which is to create more tax loopholes and subsidies for the uber-rich, all the while cutting public assistance for everyone else.


The whole 'job creator' meme needs to die. Until it does, it only serves the purpose of pointing out the economically ignorant, if they use that phrase seriously.
 
2012-08-01 12:44:34 AM  

shower_in_my_socks: The GOP could have nominated some faux-everyman with maybe a few mil in the bank, and they could have kept the "rich pay too much!" insanity going through the election. Instead, they nominated Richie Rich who is paying impossibly low tax rates that the average American can only dream of. How many jobs did Romney "create" with all of those tax breaks? How can a guy who paid little-to-no taxes say the rich are still paying too much?


Richie was more than anything distinguished by wanting to be just another down to earth kid. He was rich, but he was never a douche about it, never held it over people's heads, never thought it made him better.

Romney is the anti-Richie Rich.
 
2012-08-01 12:48:15 AM  
i782.photobucket.com
"Ratfarking" is a proud Republican tradition.

The 'Bain Investor' could be a fake, delivering the goods to Reid to get Reid to announce "I have this information, that Romney did 'X'." Then the "truth" could come out, making Reid look 1. Like complete ass 2. Wrong 3. Innoculate Romney from any further accusations.

C'mon, people. TANG/Rather wasn't that long ago.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-08-01 12:50:08 AM  
He'll never release them. No way. Whatever it is is bad. So bad it makes this unending beating seem merciful.

I wonder if his campaign staff follow online comments. You know, to understand the independents. I hope they do and I hope it depresses them appropriately.
 
2012-08-01 12:52:20 AM  

Loucifer: Asa Phelps: Three Crooked SquirrelsPersonally, I am disgusted by all the sleeze in politics, both sides, which is why I favor public funding of elections. But on the topic of Romney's returns, I don't think he did anything illegal. At least I doubt he did. There is the possibility of 2009 amnesty. But if that isn't in there, I think the reason he is hiding the returns is because he paid ridiculously low rates in certain years and they are afraid to have a discussion about tax fairness. They are afraid of ads saying "in 2008, Mitt Romney was worth a quarter of a billion dollars and paid a 2.4% tax rate. What did you pay in 2008?"

I am disgusted by all the sleeze in big business. Which is why i favor disclosure by Romney.


You're making a pretty bold statement here.


Awesome. I don't really have anything to add - but that comment got a good laugh out of me
 
2012-08-01 12:54:05 AM  

Ambivalence: wejash: The "I didn't pay any taxes -- and that proves how farked up our Tax Code is BUT ALSO how smart I am!" ad practically writes itself. Who doesn't cheer for someone sneaky enough to get away with something completely legally, at some level?

Um...the people who can't afford to give 10% of their income to their church and write it off. Who can't afford a dressage horse or cayman island bank accounts? These are loopholes that the rich exploit becuase they're not practical to be exploited by anyone else.

And that may rub the filthy masses the wrong way because they inevitably have to take up the slack for what the rich don't pay. (at least if the GOP gets their way)


The election battle is in the middle class white guy group. Romney can't quite get enough of them to win outright based on the economy. And he doesn't have the "buddy" quality that works. But pulling off a "hey, I didn't pay taxes, and I'll help you get away with something too!" thing might work for him in that demographic.

In all seriousness, who does he LOSE who he was going to win otherwise because he didn't pay taxes? If blue collar white guys with minimal education vote in people willing to destroy unions then there's plenty of reason to assume these guys might ALSO elect a guy who promises to screw them on taxes while not paying any himself.

I don't think he has the courage to try this sort of approach but I don't see it's any riskier than some of the other things that don't work for him now.
 
2012-08-01 12:54:56 AM  
Is it too late to vote for Palin? (kidding.. sort of)
I'm an indie. I vote by the same mind-set as to who I'd hire for any job.
I'd be happy if there were a hundred people to give Obama a run for his money.
I'd not hire Romney to manage my grocery bills much less balance the US natioal budget.

/Romney's the best you got? Might want to re-group... maybe even step aside. Why do you even continue with this stuffed suit? This is not a game.
 
2012-08-01 12:56:03 AM  

StopLurkListen: [i782.photobucket.com image 90x88]
"Ratfarking" is a proud Republican tradition.

The 'Bain Investor' could be a fake, delivering the goods to Reid to get Reid to announce "I have this information, that Romney did 'X'." Then the "truth" could come out, making Reid look 1. Like complete ass 2. Wrong 3. Innoculate Romney from any further accusations.

C'mon, people. TANG/Rather wasn't that long ago.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 450x202]


The flaw in your evil plan is that for the "truth" to come out, Romney would have to release his tax returns. And at this point, if he releases returns back to, say, 2007, people will wonder what he's hiding in 2006.
Reid's statement is different than the Rather incident. He specifically said, 'hey, I can't say with 100% certainty, I'm just saying'.'
 
2012-08-01 12:56:06 AM  

Ambivalence: FlashHarry: whatever it is, clearly mittens thinks the political fallout for not releasing his returns is preferable to the fallout that would come from releasing them.

Either way, it's a darn interesting "no-win" situation from a guy who's essentially been running for president for YEARS. What the heck was he thinking?


derosaworld.typepad.com
Possibly, he was considering his God complex.
 
2012-08-01 12:57:29 AM  

Fista-Phobia: Whisper campaigns are low rent.


SHOW US YER BIG OL' RETURNS!!!

is that better?
 
2012-08-01 01:00:32 AM  

Whar Tax Returns?
\o/
|
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2012-08-01 01:02:04 AM  
Is it possible for private citizen Romney to be impeached before the election?
 
2012-08-01 01:02:47 AM  
None of the Fark conservatives are ironically (considering a lot of them are birthers) defending Romney on this? You guys are slipping.
 
2012-08-01 01:04:28 AM  

fusillade762: The Romney campaign's press secretary, Andrea Saul, has previously denied rumors that Romney didn't pay "any taxes at all."

Oh, I'm sure at some point he bought a pack of gum of something and paid sales tax on it.


No, I bet he drove (or had an aide drive) to New Hampshire to avoid sales tax.
 
2012-08-01 01:07:31 AM  

EngineerBoy: Here's my favorite quote from Reid in that article:

"We feel comfortable in the Senate. Where the problem is, is this: Because of the Citizens United decision, Karl Rove and the Republicans are looking forward to a breakfast the day after the election. They are going to assemble 17 angry old white men for breakfast, some of them will slobber in their food, some will have scrambled eggs, some will have oatmeal, their teeth are gone. But these 17 angry old white men will say, 'Hey, we just bought America. Wasn't so bad. We still have a whole lot of money left.'"

Well-spoken, sir...


17? Why not 57?
 
2012-08-01 01:08:10 AM  
October Surprise:

Warren Buffet will come out and drop a bomb on Romney's dealings at Bain.
 
2012-08-01 01:08:14 AM  

Wendy's Chili: Mitt Romney kicked a nun in the teeth and then got a tax credit for shoe repair.


Mitt Romney shiat on my doorstep and then got a tax credit for toilet paper.
 
2012-08-01 01:16:11 AM  

Sqrxz:

Pathetic joke = publishing this comment from Reid that could have been completely fabricated and treating it like it could be more than halfway true. Yes, Romney hasn't released his taxes, and that raises suspicion, but have some discretion about what you publish. If John Boehner tomorrow says that he heard from a source in the White House that President Obama has cheated on his wife, should that be reported as NEWS? No. There must be a distinction between OPINIONS, which are fine to disseminate, and FALSE ("evidence not needed because obvious or we want to believe") "FACTS".

Informed opinions and facts are for news. False "facts" are for tabloids. MSM is no longer news but a tabloid with news on page 4.


If John Boehner says he heard Obama cheated on his wife, there's literally no way for Obama to prove that isn't true. If Harry Reid says Romney paid no taxes, there's a pretty simple way for Romney to prove him wrong.

Not to mention that Romney's (and other wealthy Americans') tax rates are slightly more relevant to the election than Obama's fidelity.

I'm not saying what Reid said wasn't political, calculated, and possibly part of a concerted effort to keep at least part of the media's focus on Romney's mysterious tax returns. But at least it's somewhat germane to the conversation, and something that can be easily repudiated, should Romney choose to.

Accusing your opponent of something which has no bearing on his record or ability to govern, in the complete absence of any evidence of guilt, and which is impossible to completely disprove, is not equvalent at all to what we are discussing here.
 
2012-08-01 01:16:59 AM  

Weaver95: Romney is terrified of his own tax records. i'm 99.99% sure he didn't break any laws tho, so if he's done nothing illegal Romney should just man up and release his records.


I know a guy who claims to know a guy who signs off on Romney's final Tax Returns every year and that he would never, ever sign off on something that actually broke any laws.

Of course I also was acquainted with someone who claimed to roll with the Bush twins back in the day and how their antics (and resulting buying-up of incriminating evidence) funded a few departments of their high school.

I always wonder if those stories are true, but they're certainly interesting.
 
2012-08-01 01:17:03 AM  
Yeah, whatever.
Seven of the top ten richest butt clowns in Congress are Democrats.
How much in taxes have they avoided paying?
Link
 
2012-08-01 01:22:10 AM  

wejash: The "I didn't pay any taxes -- and that proves how farked up our Tax Code is BUT ALSO how smart I am!" ad practically writes itself. Who doesn't cheer for someone sneaky enough to get away with something completely legally, at some level?


As long as you ignore the part where Romney lobbied for lowering capital gains and other "loopholes", only to then use them and say "well it's not my fault!".

My opinion is "All of the above" when it comes to "why won't Mitt Romney release his tax returns?". 100 million IRA, Swiss account amnesty, low (or non existent) tax payment, etc. etc. etc.

Mitt Romney strikes me as someone who will do just about ANYTHING to hoard money. There was a point where he said he would tell the press if he paid less than 13.9% in any other earlier years, and then his staff said no. I assume that means he did pay less than 13% taxes at least one year, and likely more.

The Romney tax issue isn't going to go away.
 
2012-08-01 01:22:49 AM  

StopLurkListen: [i782.photobucket.com image 90x88]
"Ratfarking" is a proud Republican tradition.

The 'Bain Investor' could be a fake, delivering the goods to Reid to get Reid to announce "I have this information, that Romney did 'X'." Then the "truth" could come out, making Reid look 1. Like complete ass 2. Wrong 3. Innoculate Romney from any further accusations.

C'mon, people. TANG/Rather wasn't that long ago.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 450x202]


Not really an issue. Reid's "just asking questions" to get the Tax returns back in the news. Because as bad and as dedicated as the 25%ers are (you know, the 25% that still said Bush was doing a good job in 2008) things like Romney not paying taxes convince some of them to NOT VOTE. They'll never vote for a democrat, but if you play it right sometimes they won't vote at all.

And that's a win.
 
2012-08-01 01:27:28 AM  

propasaurus: Because Americans want someone who will do the bare minimum and no more.


I'm counting your pieces of flair.

You DO want to express yourself, don't you?
 
2012-08-01 01:28:12 AM  
Since the Tea Party is so upset over all of the Americans who don't pay taxes, I assume they'll be voting against Rmoney? Excuse me while I ROFL.
 
2012-08-01 01:28:56 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Bain Investor Told Me That Mitt Romney 'Didn't Pay Any Taxes For 10 Years'

If this is true, Romney is beyond toast when he finally does release his Tax Returns. Well, for everyone but Team GOP. They'll love him more.

But I'll ask: if he paid no taxes, why didn't he create far more jobs than anybody else?


He did. Retroactively.
 
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