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2012-07-31 09:44:40 PM  

Lsherm: I haven't gone through all of his tax returns



And at least you CAN go through his tax returns, since he's release 10+ years of them.
 
2012-07-31 09:47:05 PM  
I've just uncovered a lost Philip K. Dick novel: "Do Androids Pay Any Taxes At All?"
 
2012-07-31 09:55:15 PM  

Wendy's Chili: Mitt Romney kicked a nun in the teeth and then got a tax credit for shoe repair.


Mitt Romney rented a $100 whore and then got a tax credit for his Valtrex.
 
2012-07-31 09:59:35 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Lsherm: czei: Sure, Mitt can release his tax returns, but then how do we know that they're *really* his tax returns? They could be easily faked, so maybe we should get some county Sheriff to look 'em over just to make sure.

Seriously, though, Romney doesn't need to release them, all it'll take is a question at the debates that brings up the subject, where either the moderator flat out asks each candidate how much they paid in taxes, or Obama says "I've paid 30% in taxes for decades", how about you?

Small point of correction, but Obama didn't pay 30%, either. I haven't gone through all of his tax returns, but he's still paying less than the average American. However, he's almost certainly paying more than Romney.

Your own article says he pays much more than the average American. He paid slightly less than the average 1%er because he gave a bunch to charity.


OK, fair enough. But he didn't pay 30%.
 
2012-07-31 10:01:18 PM  

Ambivalence: FlashHarry: whatever it is, clearly mittens thinks the political fallout for not releasing his returns is preferable to the fallout that would come from releasing them.

Either way, it's a darn interesting "no-win" situation from a guy who's essentially been running for president for YEARS. What the heck was he thinking?


"I'm better than everyone else, and I don't need to play by their rules, because I'm awesome."
 
2012-07-31 10:05:10 PM  
And yet hardcore Republicans who think gays, guns n' God is more important won't give a shiat because that's how they've been wired.
 
2012-07-31 10:10:00 PM  
We Just Still Don't Know What Secrets Hide In Romney's Tax Returns, That His Own Father Would Not Have Had To Hide.
 
2012-07-31 10:13:50 PM  
Mitt Romney invested in Mapplethorpe artwork and wrote it off as decoration for his home/office.
 
2012-07-31 10:13:56 PM  

Asa Phelps: We Just Still Don't Know What Secrets Hide In Romney's Tax Returns, That His Own Father Would Not Have Had To Hide.


WJSDKWSHIRTRTHOFWNHHTH?

I don't get it.

/Unless it's a Jumble
 
2012-07-31 10:27:09 PM  
Broke ass Republican: "Rich guy, no taxes? He's our better. No taxes sounds about right. You still hate gays and minorities, right?"
 
2012-07-31 10:28:38 PM  

Bontesla: Bladel: Considering how much mileage they are getting out of the "you didn't build that" lie, the Dems might as well go ahead and run with this.

And if it isn't true, well Mitt can always release his taxes to prove them wrong....

What's amazing is that Rmoney feels this is preferred to actually releasing his returns.


The load of bullsh*t we're supposed to be swallowing from Romney is this: "I have nothing to hide in my tax returns, but if I release them the Democrats will nevertheless find ways to attack me based on all the severely normal and perfectly legal things that are in there."
 
2012-07-31 10:36:26 PM  

Gwendolyn: Wait, you can write off money you give to a religious institution? I think I found a way to fund my retirement. I'll start a church and give write offs to my congregation for sir donations. If I declare myself the Grand Poobah can my salary be tax exempt too?


Well yeah. They call that "The Ol' L. Ron Hubbard".
 
2012-07-31 10:41:02 PM  
"You know, I think it's fine to talk about those things in quiet rooms..."

www.washingtonpost.com
 
2012-07-31 10:46:14 PM  

czei: Seriously, though, Romney doesn't need to release them, all it'll take is a question at the debates that brings up the subject, where either the moderator flat out asks each candidate how much they paid in taxes, or Obama says "I've paid 30% in taxes for decades", how about you?


Obama should casually state that he pays his fair, unlike his opponent who for several years paid zero in taxes. Just drop it on his head like a goddamn bag of hammers. Mitt will get flustered, and pretty much his only defense would be "if you saw my taxes, you'd know that I've never payed zero in taxes," which would lead to one of the most awkward moments in debate history. The alternative is to admonish Obama for saying something uncalled for, but whoever does that in a debate always looks bad.

Romney could always bet him $10,000 that he's paid all his taxes.
 
2012-07-31 10:46:42 PM  
so the leader of the Senate that gets his money from insider trading and favors from his contributors, the guy that has his sons working as lobbiests, the guy that made millions in real estate from political favors is attacking the rich guy for adhering to a tax code that is written by the Senate the leader heads. and democrats are outraged at Romney?
 
2012-07-31 10:55:23 PM  
Some think I have too much interest in US politics as a Canadian.

Anyways, my 7 year old daughter often asks me questions about US politics. I'm not shy about telling her why I think Romney would be a bad choice for US President.

Anyways, I said something bad (but polite) about Romney the other day and she said "He's like the Mayor in they Yogi Bear movie" and I told her she was very smart and very correct and he most certainly is.
 
2012-07-31 11:00:06 PM  

DeltaPunch: czei: Seriously, though, Romney doesn't need to release them, all it'll take is a question at the debates that brings up the subject, where either the moderator flat out asks each candidate how much they paid in taxes, or Obama says "I've paid 30% in taxes for decades", how about you?

Obama should casually state that he pays his fair, unlike his opponent who for several years paid zero in taxes. Just drop it on his head like a goddamn bag of hammers. Mitt will get flustered, and pretty much his only defense would be "if you saw my taxes, you'd know that I've never payed zero in taxes," which would lead to one of the most awkward moments in debate history. The alternative is to admonish Obama for saying something uncalled for, but whoever does that in a debate always looks bad.

Romney could always bet him $10,000 that he's paid all his taxes.


Nah, mormons aren't supposed to gamble.

Unless it's with the lives of people who work for the companies they bought and are playing with like chips in a poker game.
 
2012-07-31 11:00:20 PM  

EnviroDude: so the leader of the Senate that gets his money from insider trading and favors from his contributors, the guy that has his sons working as lobbiests, the guy that made millions in real estate from political favors is attacking the rich guy for adhering to a tax code that is written by the Senate the leader heads. and democrats are outraged at Romney?


Personally, I am disgusted by all the sleeze in politics, both sides, which is why I favor public funding of elections. But on the topic of Romney's returns, I don't think he did anything illegal. At least I doubt he did. There is the possibility of 2009 amnesty. But if that isn't in there, I think the reason he is hiding the returns is because he paid ridiculously low rates in certain years and they are afraid to have a discussion about tax fairness. They are afraid of ads saying "in 2008, Mitt Romney was worth a quarter of a billion dollars and paid a 2.4% tax rate. What did you pay in 2008?"
 
2012-07-31 11:05:02 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: EnviroDude: so the leader of the Senate that gets his money from insider trading and favors from his contributors, the guy that has his sons working as lobbiests, the guy that made millions in real estate from political favors is attacking the rich guy for adhering to a tax code that is written by the Senate the leader heads. and democrats are outraged at Romney?

Personally, I am disgusted by all the sleeze in politics, both sides, which is why I favor public funding of elections. But on the topic of Romney's returns, I don't think he did anything illegal. At least I doubt he did. There is the possibility of 2009 amnesty. But if that isn't in there, I think the reason he is hiding the returns is because he paid ridiculously low rates in certain years and they are afraid to have a discussion about tax fairness. They are afraid of ads saying "in 2008, Mitt Romney was worth a quarter of a billion dollars and paid a 2.4% tax rate. What did you pay in 2008?"


And you don't think that's a valid point?
 
2012-07-31 11:06:01 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: But on the topic of Romney's returns, I don't think he did anything illegal


Probably not illegal. But that says more about our tax laws than his ethics.
 
2012-07-31 11:18:57 PM  
Three Crooked SquirrelsPersonally, I am disgusted by all the sleeze in politics, both sides, which is why I favor public funding of elections. But on the topic of Romney's returns, I don't think he did anything illegal. At least I doubt he did. There is the possibility of 2009 amnesty. But if that isn't in there, I think the reason he is hiding the returns is because he paid ridiculously low rates in certain years and they are afraid to have a discussion about tax fairness. They are afraid of ads saying "in 2008, Mitt Romney was worth a quarter of a billion dollars and paid a 2.4% tax rate. What did you pay in 2008?"

I am disgusted by all the sleeze in big business. Which is why i favor disclosure by Romney.
 
2012-07-31 11:24:59 PM  
Propasaurus: I do think it is a valid point, and I think they are afraid to discuss it precisely because it is valid. I was inartfully addressing Envirodude's assertion that libs are attacking the fact that he legally followed the tax code. That's not what will hurt Romney. What will hurt Romney is a concrete example of the tax code allowing the ultrarich to legally pay low rates while at the same time, the ultrarich guy is complaining that taxes are too high
on the rich. That's a conversation they don't want to have.

Mugato: exactly.
 
2012-07-31 11:32:17 PM  
Not paying taxes is now patriotic. Aren't we

Taxed
Enough
Already?

When Romney is President he and his rich friends will teach us how to make money too.
 
2012-07-31 11:34:20 PM  
A cute tactic.

Romney is forced to deny these claims, but won't provide any proof, even though it's well within his ability to do so.

He's going to have to release them eventually, because this accusation is only going to snowball.
 
2012-07-31 11:34:36 PM  
The Republicans are so in the pocket of the robber barons that it's not even like they picked their nominee.

He picked them.

/pathetic
 
2012-07-31 11:37:01 PM  
I'll bet Gingrich and Santorum are kicking themselves for not pushing Rmoney harder on this during the primaries. This is not the sort of issue which should be coming to light heading into the convention.
 
2012-07-31 11:38:37 PM  

vernonFL: Wendy's Chili: Mitt Romney kicked a nun in the teeth and then got a tax credit for shoe repair.

Mitt Romney rented a $100 whore and then got a tax credit for his Valtrex.


Jorie charges more than that

/sorry
 
2012-07-31 11:39:20 PM  

LarryDan43: When Romney is President he and his rich friends will teach us how to make money too.


Step 1: Be born with an excessive amount of cash.
Step 2: Loan that excess to other people, with contractually obligated repayment backed up by the Federal court system
Step 3: Complain about socialism keeping you down.
Step 4: Rake in the Riches, continue to Step 1
 
2012-07-31 11:39:50 PM  
"When a man assumes public office he should consider himself public property"

~Thomas Jefferson

Why do Republicans hate the Founding Fathers?
 
2012-07-31 11:40:35 PM  
The GOP could have nominated some faux-everyman with maybe a few mil in the bank, and they could have kept the "rich pay too much!" insanity going through the election. Instead, they nominated Richie Rich who is paying impossibly low tax rates that the average American can only dream of. How many jobs did Romney "create" with all of those tax breaks? How can a guy who paid little-to-no taxes say the rich are still paying too much?
 
2012-07-31 11:41:15 PM  
When Romney first come out and refused to release more tax returns he was being clubbed quite viciously over his 'retroactive' retirement at Bain and his wonky timelines. My first impression was that they were intertwined - that Romney didn't want to release his returns because they would show he made 3,5,10+ million a year from Bain during the years he was 'retired'.

The problem with that hypothesis is that in order to enlighten us about his final years at Bain Romney would have to release almost a decade of returns. He could quite easily deflate most the pressure by releasing just short of that, a good 6 years of returns, and clear most the speculation out if those returns are mundane.

His utter refusal to release any more returns at all makes it pretty clear that it's something recent - something in the last 6 years. Which is to say there's something in his tax returns from the years he's been running for president that he doesn't want us to see.

This is reaching John Edwards level of narcissism. Do these people honestly believe they can make it through a presidential election just by ignoring the skeletons in their closets and hoping they don't come up? Just wow.
 
2012-07-31 11:43:57 PM  
Pretty smart move to force Romney's hand -- just say outrageous things that he can only disprove by releasing his tax returns.
 
2012-07-31 11:44:40 PM  
EXACTLY.

He buys up American companies, trashes them to make a buck, puts people out of work...

then takes his cash and siphons it out of the USA without even paying a fair share to the country he pretends to love.


The fact this turd is running for president is farking scary. He's the ENEMY.
 
2012-07-31 11:45:45 PM  

JerseyTim: I don't trust Harry Reid not to have gotten played here.


He has plausible deniability. If he and his source are wrong, "I couldn't verify the accuracy of these statements, but given Mr. Romney's actions leading up to the release of his returns, I believe the accusations were more than likely true. I fully appreciate the Republican nominee's willingness to come clean to the American public blah blah blah." If he's right, well, damn.
 
2012-07-31 11:47:38 PM  
Romney is terrified of his own tax records. i'm 99.99% sure he didn't break any laws tho, so if he's done nothing illegal Romney should just man up and release his records.
 
2012-07-31 11:47:43 PM  

Ambivalence: FlashHarry: whatever it is, clearly mittens thinks the political fallout for not releasing his returns is preferable to the fallout that would come from releasing them.

Either way, it's a darn interesting "no-win" situation from a guy who's essentially been running for president for YEARS. What the heck was he thinking?


He was thinking "I'm a millionaire because I'm the most awesome motherfarker on the planet. Of course I'm going to win, and no one is going to question anything about me, because didn't you just hear me? I'm the most awesome motherfarker on the planet. Of course I'm going to win."

The guy is so separated from reality he literally has no idea what it's like to be challenged. He's lived a life of privilege from the very beginning. People have always been yes-men to him, because he's always had money. I sincerely doubt anyone in his entire life has ever said "no" to him until now.
 
2012-07-31 11:49:46 PM  
The sad thing is the fact that if it is shown he paid no taxes for the last ten years -- a good portion of the Republican base will champion that.

:(

/no slahies, too sad
//wait, wut?
 
2012-07-31 11:50:10 PM  
When he can figure out how to write off his $500,000 'dressage' horse...then yes, Romney can figure out how to squirrel away all his cash and hide it from taxation.

His continual flubs should eat away at his poll numbers, the 100 of millions in ads may prop it up, but no amount of money can polish this Romney turd.
 
2012-07-31 11:50:50 PM  
On my phone, *every* ad on Fark is a Romney campaign ad. I don't think he'll gain much support from a site with fact-based readers.
 
2012-07-31 11:50:54 PM  
WHAR TAX RETERNS RMONEY WHAR?
 
2012-07-31 11:51:35 PM  
It's just getting worse for Romney.

He won't release them until after the convention.

Of course maybe he'll do it before he announces the VP pick.

When's the convention again?

Actually, more importantly, who is actually attending beside Romney and the second string Republicans?

Oh well, back to speculation on what exactly Romney is hiding.

He should really remember that the human imagination is a powerful thing. The monster you don't see is scarier than something revealed.
 
2012-07-31 11:53:04 PM  

MithrandirBooga: I sincerely doubt anyone in his entire life has ever said "no" to him until now.


And he's not handling the experience very well either. I think he's deeply angry about the fact that he can't have the uppity peasants beaten for being impertinent.

that aside, one thing is certain: Romney is terrified about those tax returns. whatever is in them is pretty damaging.
 
2012-07-31 11:58:05 PM  

johnnyrocket: When he can figure out how to write off his $500,000 'dressage' horse...then yes, Romney can figure out how to squirrel away all his cash and hide it from taxation.

His continual flubs should eat away at his poll numbers, the 100 of millions in ads may prop it up, but no amount of money can polish this Romney turd.


Karl Roves secret plan
 
2012-07-31 11:59:05 PM  
I wish some sheriff from some dumpy little county would step up and form a cold case posse to interview this Bain leak and see what's up. Also they should stand by to investigate the veracity of any returns released. The Barney Fifier the better.
 
2012-08-01 12:02:54 AM  

Dinki: FlashHarry: whatever it is, clearly mittens thinks the political fallout for not releasing his returns is preferable to the fallout that would come from releasing them.

And why shouldn't he? The GOP knows that our main stream media have the attention span of a 3 year old with ADD. They know that by the time the debates come around this issue will be so old that it won't even come up.

Our media organizations are a pathetic joke.


Pathetic joke = publishing this comment from Reid that could have been completely fabricated and treating it like it could be more than halfway true. Yes, Romney hasn't released his taxes, and that raises suspicion, but have some discretion about what you publish. If John Boehner tomorrow says that he heard from a source in the White House that President Obama has cheated on his wife, should that be reported as NEWS? No. There must be a distinction between OPINIONS, which are fine to disseminate, and FALSE ("evidence not needed because obvious or we want to believe") "FACTS".

Informed opinions and facts are for news. False "facts" are for tabloids. MSM is no longer news but a tabloid with news on page 4.
 
2012-08-01 12:04:21 AM  
Asa Phelps: Three Crooked SquirrelsPersonally, I am disgusted by all the sleeze in politics, both sides, which is why I favor public funding of elections. But on the topic of Romney's returns, I don't think he did anything illegal. At least I doubt he did. There is the possibility of 2009 amnesty. But if that isn't in there, I think the reason he is hiding the returns is because he paid ridiculously low rates in certain years and they are afraid to have a discussion about tax fairness. They are afraid of ads saying "in 2008, Mitt Romney was worth a quarter of a billion dollars and paid a 2.4% tax rate. What did you pay in 2008?"

I am disgusted by all the sleeze in big business. Which is why i favor disclosure by Romney.



You're making a pretty bold statement here.
 
2012-08-01 12:05:43 AM  

mrEdude: EXACTLY.

He buys up American companies, trashes them to make a buck, puts people out of work...

then takes his cash and siphons it out of the USA without even paying a fair share to the country he pretends to love.


The fact this turd is running for president is farking scary. He's the ENEMY.


Most the voting populace just doesn't care.

They do not, and will never, look past whatever letter is next to their name.
They are straight ticket and damn proud of it.

There is only one way Obama can lose. And he may very well lose. That is when (out of regular voters) all the (R)s faithfully show up to vote and only 80% of the (D)s do.

GO VOTE

OR THAT SMARMY TAX DODGING BILLIONAIRE (worth 250mil? yeah, ok...) IS GOING TO BE YOUR NEXT PRESIDENT

AND JUST LIKE BUSH, HE'LL LOCK US IN A NEW WAR TO SECURE THE 2ND TERM
 
2012-08-01 12:05:53 AM  
Headline reminded me of this:

i2.photobucket.com

I can't blame them. I think if I were in the President's shoes, I would definitely want the election to be all about Romney's tax returns. Not that Romney's a real gem...
 
2012-08-01 12:07:12 AM  

rudemix: I wish some sheriff from some dumpy little county would step up and form a cold case posse to interview this Bain leak and see what's up. Also they should stand by to investigate the veracity of any returns released. The Barney Fifier the better.


Why don 't we do it ourselves? As Concerned Citizens, what would we lack that a county sheriff from Bumfark Nowhere would have? Or his deputy?

People like to bleat about Citizen Journalist Bloggers. Well, let's see some real journalism, Citizens!
 
2012-08-01 12:08:13 AM  
Mitt Romney bought a pair of Fabergé eggs, had them cooked as a two egg omelet and then wrote it off as a business lunch.
 
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