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2012-07-31 04:26:38 PM
whatever it is, clearly mittens thinks the political fallout for not releasing his returns is preferable to the fallout that would come from releasing them.
 
2012-07-31 04:28:16 PM

FlashHarry: whatever it is, clearly mittens thinks the political fallout for not releasing his returns is preferable to the fallout that would come from releasing them.


Either way, it's a darn interesting "no-win" situation from a guy who's essentially been running for president for YEARS. What the heck was he thinking?
 
2012-07-31 04:31:08 PM
Bain Investor Told Me That Mitt Romney 'Didn't Pay Any Taxes For 10 Years'

If this is true, Romney is beyond toast when he finally does release his Tax Returns. Well, for everyone but Team GOP. They'll love him more.

But I'll ask: if he paid no taxes, why didn't he create far more jobs than anybody else?
 
2012-07-31 04:31:52 PM

Ambivalence: FlashHarry: whatever it is, clearly mittens thinks the political fallout for not releasing his returns is preferable to the fallout that would come from releasing them.

Either way, it's a darn interesting "no-win" situation from a guy who's essentially been running for president for YEARS. What the heck was he thinking?


this is what i don't get. and it's amazing he's gotten this far.

but he did release them to the mccain campaign when they were vetting him for veep - and they picked palin. that should tell you everything you need to know.
 
2012-07-31 04:33:27 PM
Mitt Romney kicked a nun in the teeth and then got a tax credit for shoe repair.
 
2012-07-31 04:35:24 PM

Nadie_AZ: Bain Investor Told Me That Mitt Romney 'Didn't Pay Any Taxes For 10 Years'

If this is true, Romney is beyond toast when he finally does release his Tax Returns. Well, for everyone but Team GOP. They'll love him more.

But I'll ask: if he paid no taxes, why didn't he create far more jobs than anybody else?


And are you still allowed to biatch about taxes if your tax bill is zero?

And if you can't biatch about taxes, are you still a Republican?
 
2012-07-31 04:35:47 PM

FlashHarry: whatever it is, clearly mittens thinks the political fallout for not releasing his returns is preferable to the fallout that would come from releasing them.


And why shouldn't he? The GOP knows that our main stream media have the attention span of a 3 year old with ADD. They know that by the time the debates come around this issue will be so old that it won't even come up.

Our media organizations are a pathetic joke.
 
2012-07-31 04:44:30 PM
It seems likely this is the case. But he has claimed to have been audited. Can the IRS confirm what year this audit took place?

Anyone?
 
2012-07-31 04:53:08 PM
What a wonderful variation on "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" Well played.
 
2012-07-31 04:55:08 PM

Dogberry: What a wonderful variation on "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" Well played.


actually, it's a classic use of "weasel words." fox does it all the time: "there are those who say that the president is a communist pedophile." they're not saying... they're just saying...
 
2012-07-31 05:04:00 PM

Nadie_AZ: Bain Investor Told Me That Mitt Romney 'Didn't Pay Any Taxes For 10 Years'

If this is true, Romney is beyond toast when he finally does release his Tax Returns. Well, for everyone but Team GOP. They'll love him more.

But I'll ask: if he paid no taxes, why didn't he create far more jobs than anybody else?


Regulations.

And really, if he'd paid more taxes, that would disqualify him from being President.
Because Americans want someone who will do the bare minimum and no more.
 
2012-07-31 05:04:09 PM
This is what it's like when rich Mormons fight, apparently.
 
2012-07-31 05:04:30 PM
I don't trust Harry Reid not to have gotten played here.
 
2012-07-31 05:22:30 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: This is what it's like when rich Mormons fight, apparently.


Rich Mormon v Rich Mormon in power. Heh.
 
2012-07-31 05:25:26 PM

ourbigdumbmouth: It seems likely this is the case. But he has claimed to have been audited. Can the IRS confirm what year this audit took place?


No.
 
2012-07-31 05:28:14 PM
This doesn't sound likely. No taxes at all? Nah.

I think it is more likely this, which is just as bad. And it fits the facts as we know them.
 
2012-07-31 05:34:26 PM
I'm also sticking with the "really, really undertithed" theory.
 
2012-07-31 05:36:12 PM

gilgigamesh: This doesn't sound likely. No taxes at all? Nah.

I think it is more likely this, which is just as bad. And it fits the facts as we know them.


I think that's very likely, yes. But I also think there are years where he not only paid zero taxes, but also got millions in refunds.
 
Byn
2012-07-31 06:22:22 PM
I doubt Reid believes it himself, but damn if it's not a really good way to force Mitt to prove that he's wrong.

Well played, Harry. Well played.
 
2012-07-31 06:25:44 PM
A month or so ago, he said, a person who had invested with Bain Capital called his office.

"Harry, he didn't pay any taxes for 10 years," Reid recounted the person as saying.

"He didn't pay taxes for 10 years! Now, do I know that that's true? Well, I'm not certain," said Reid. "But obviously he can't release those tax returns. How would it look?


Well if that's not an airtight allegation I don't know what is.
 
2012-07-31 06:28:00 PM

Quasar: A month or so ago, he said, a person who had invested with Bain Capital called his office.

"Harry, he didn't pay any taxes for 10 years," Reid recounted the person as saying.

"He didn't pay taxes for 10 years! Now, do I know that that's true? Well, I'm not certain," said Reid. "But obviously he can't release those tax returns. How would it look?

Well if that's not an airtight allegation I don't know what is.


I think it's great. 'I'm not saying... I'm just saying.'
 
2012-07-31 06:47:25 PM

Quasar: A month or so ago, he said, a person who had invested with Bain Capital called his office.

"Harry, he didn't pay any taxes for 10 years," Reid recounted the person as saying.

"He didn't pay taxes for 10 years! Now, do I know that that's true? Well, I'm not certain," said Reid. "But obviously he can't release those tax returns. How would it look?

Well if that's not an airtight allegation I don't know what is.


It doesn't matter. This is the same nonsense perpetrated by the right wing for years. Hell, they have a whole cable "news" network dedicated to this.

This does, though, make a problem wholly created by Romney through refusal to release any real tax history news yet again. Weasel word clearly work; they are still lame.
 
2012-07-31 07:03:44 PM
Considering how much mileage they are getting out of the "you didn't build that" lie, the Dems might as well go ahead and run with this.

And if it isn't true, well Mitt can always release his taxes to prove them wrong....
 
2012-07-31 07:08:27 PM

Bladel: Considering how much mileage they are getting out of the "you didn't build that" lie, the Dems might as well go ahead and run with this.

And if it isn't true, well Mitt can always release his taxes to prove them wrong....


What's amazing is that Rmoney feels this is preferred to actually releasing his returns.
 
2012-07-31 07:24:16 PM

Bontesla: Bladel: Considering how much mileage they are getting out of the "you didn't build that" lie, the Dems might as well go ahead and run with this.

And if it isn't true, well Mitt can always release his taxes to prove them wrong....

What's amazing is that Rmoney feels this is preferred to actually releasing his returns.


He still probably thinks people won't care enough for it to matter. and maybe for some that's true, but it is still several months until election and this kind of thing can erode his support. How can people trust a man who keeps these kinds of secrets?
 
2012-07-31 07:35:12 PM

JerseyTim: I'm also sticking with the "really, really undertithed" theory.



The "I didn't pay any taxes -- and that proves how farked up our Tax Code is BUT ALSO how smart I am!" ad practically writes itself. Who doesn't cheer for someone sneaky enough to get away with something completely legally, at some level?

The way-under-tithed thing is really interesting. If he has to catch-up tens of millions to LDS, he might be willing to take the hit politically in return for keeping the cash. After all, he's mostly spending other people's money on this campaign as well.
 
2012-07-31 07:43:22 PM
People say all kinds of things.

No need to resort to Fox News style "some people say" bullshiat.
 
2012-07-31 07:45:09 PM

wejash: The "I didn't pay any taxes -- and that proves how farked up our Tax Code is BUT ALSO how smart I am!" ad practically writes itself. Who doesn't cheer for someone sneaky enough to get away with something completely legally, at some level?


Um...the people who can't afford to give 10% of their income to their church and write it off. Who can't afford a dressage horse or cayman island bank accounts? These are loopholes that the rich exploit becuase they're not practical to be exploited by anyone else.

And that may rub the filthy masses the wrong way because they inevitably have to take up the slack for what the rich don't pay. (at least if the GOP gets their way)
 
2012-07-31 07:49:09 PM

wejash: JerseyTim: I'm also sticking with the "really, really undertithed" theory.


The "I didn't pay any taxes -- and that proves how farked up our Tax Code is BUT ALSO how smart I am!" ad practically writes itself. Who doesn't cheer for someone sneaky enough to get away with something completely legally, at some level?

The way-under-tithed thing is really interesting. If he has to catch-up tens of millions to LDS, he might be willing to take the hit politically in return for keeping the cash. After all, he's mostly spending other people's money on this campaign as well.


I worked for a mormon family. A cousin of the family was caught under tithing (the separated and scorned wife tipped off the sect leaders).

It was a huge freaking deal. The church used him as an example during sermons. They constantly bullied him. Members approached him - sent their children to approach him.
 
2012-07-31 07:49:44 PM

Aarontology: People say all kinds of things.

No need to resort to Fox News style "some people say" bullshiat.


It wasn't "some people." According to Reid it was a Bain investor.
 
2012-07-31 08:26:21 PM
Mitt also wrote off his extensive Nazi memorabilia collection as a business expense in 1996. He did. Can't prove otherwise, can you?
 
2012-07-31 08:30:57 PM

cameroncrazy1984: It wasn't "some people." According to Reid it was a Bain investor.


Hearsay within hearsay. Come on.
 
2012-07-31 08:34:00 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: This is what it's like when rich Mormons fight, apparently.Roves cry.

 
2012-07-31 08:46:55 PM
Down in Bermuda, there's a girl I love because, she's down in Bermuda.

Bom-diddy-bom-ditty bom.

I probably pooched the lyrics I was drunk when I heard it.
 
2012-07-31 08:52:46 PM
Then he shouldn't be allowed to vote or run for any elected office
 
2012-07-31 08:57:48 PM
I heard, and I have no idea if this is true, that he can't release 12 years of returns because 12 years ago he didn't report the money he was paid to rape and murder a girl in 1990.
 
2012-07-31 08:57:57 PM
If I release the returns, do you think they'll shut up?
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Nice world your party has created, isn't it?
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2012-07-31 09:00:03 PM

kronicfeld: cameroncrazy1984: It wasn't "some people." According to Reid it was a Bain investor.

Hearsay within hearsay. Come on.


There's a really easy way for Mitt to prove him wrong.
 
2012-07-31 09:13:34 PM

gilgigamesh: I think it is more likely this, which is just as bad. And it fits the facts as we know them.


EG:
-- That he had a Swiss bank account
-- That it was closed in 2010
-- That it was with UBS
-- That the IRS amnesty was in 2009
-- That UBS was the bank at the center of the disclosures that formed the basis of the Amnesty
-- That of the 3000+ account holders who talked to the IRS in 2009, on the order of 100 had let the IRS know about the accounts previously.

propasaurus: I think it's great. 'I'm not saying... I'm just saying.'


A bit more class than claiming Mitt Romney's taxes raped and murdered a girl in 2009.
 
2012-07-31 09:16:14 PM
Sure, Mitt can release his tax returns, but then how do we know that they're *really* his tax returns? They could be easily faked, so maybe we should get some county Sheriff to look 'em over just to make sure.

Seriously, though, Romney doesn't need to release them, all it'll take is a question at the debates that brings up the subject, where either the moderator flat out asks each candidate how much they paid in taxes, or Obama says "I've paid 30% in taxes for decades", how about you?
 
2012-07-31 09:21:43 PM

abb3w: gilgigamesh: I think it is more likely this, which is just as bad. And it fits the facts as we know them.

EG:
-- That he had a Swiss bank account
-- That it was closed in 2010
-- That it was with UBS
-- That the IRS amnesty was in 2009
-- That UBS was the bank at the center of the disclosures that formed the basis of the Amnesty
-- That of the 3000+ account holders who talked to the IRS in 2009, on the order of 100 had let the IRS know about the accounts previously.

propasaurus: I think it's great. 'I'm not saying... I'm just saying.'

A bit more class than claiming Mitt Romney's taxes raped and murdered a girl in 2009.


Also, Mitt gave McCain his returns up to 2008. Now, he's released only 2010, with a promise to release 2011 'when it's done.' So, what happened in 2009?
 
2012-07-31 09:28:13 PM

czei: Sure, Mitt can release his tax returns, but then how do we know that they're *really* his tax returns? They could be easily faked, so maybe we should get some county Sheriff to look 'em over just to make sure.

Seriously, though, Romney doesn't need to release them, all it'll take is a question at the debates that brings up the subject, where either the moderator flat out asks each candidate how much they paid in taxes, or Obama says "I've paid 30% in taxes for decades", how about you?


Small point of correction, but Obama didn't pay 30%, either. I haven't gone through all of his tax returns, but he's still paying less than the average American. However, he's almost certainly paying more than Romney.
 
2012-07-31 09:29:18 PM

Ambivalence: wejash: The "I didn't pay any taxes -- and that proves how farked up our Tax Code is BUT ALSO how smart I am!" ad practically writes itself. Who doesn't cheer for someone sneaky enough to get away with something completely legally, at some level?

Um...the people who can't afford to give 10% of their income to their church and write it off. Who can't afford a dressage horse or cayman island bank accounts? These are loopholes that the rich exploit becuase they're not practical to be exploited by anyone else.

And that may rub the filthy masses the wrong way because they inevitably have to take up the slack for what the rich don't pay. (at least if the GOP gets their way)


Wait, you can write off money you give to a religious institution? I think I found a way to fund my retirement. I'll start a church and give write offs to my congregation for sir donations. If I declare myself the Grand Poobah can my salary be tax exempt too?
 
2012-07-31 09:31:35 PM
No one I know is even remotely excited about Mitt Romney. Not one. And I know a LOT of conservatives.

Most who say they'll vote for him are doing so 'cuz he's not sekrit black kenyin muslin soshulist.
 
2012-07-31 09:32:25 PM
Here's my favorite quote from Reid in that article:

"We feel comfortable in the Senate. Where the problem is, is this: Because of the Citizens United decision, Karl Rove and the Republicans are looking forward to a breakfast the day after the election. They are going to assemble 17 angry old white men for breakfast, some of them will slobber in their food, some will have scrambled eggs, some will have oatmeal, their teeth are gone. But these 17 angry old white men will say, 'Hey, we just bought America. Wasn't so bad. We still have a whole lot of money left.'"

Well-spoken, sir...
 
2012-07-31 09:34:28 PM

EngineerBoy: Here's my favorite quote from Reid in that article:

"We feel comfortable in the Senate. Where the problem is, is this: Because of the Citizens United decision, Karl Rove and the Republicans are looking forward to a breakfast the day after the election. They are going to assemble 17 angry old white men for breakfast, some of them will slobber in their food, some will have scrambled eggs, some will have oatmeal, their teeth are gone. But these 17 angry old white men will say, 'Hey, we just bought America. Wasn't so bad. We still have a whole lot of money left.'"

Well-spoken, sir...


Reid is a tough bastard when he wants to be. Dude knows politics.
 
2012-07-31 09:38:17 PM
He's polling much better than I expected.

If it was just his hair that was being elected I would feel much more comfortable. His hairdo is very soothing, it's the meat below it that has me a bit nervous.
 
2012-07-31 09:40:48 PM

Lsherm: czei: Sure, Mitt can release his tax returns, but then how do we know that they're *really* his tax returns? They could be easily faked, so maybe we should get some county Sheriff to look 'em over just to make sure.

Seriously, though, Romney doesn't need to release them, all it'll take is a question at the debates that brings up the subject, where either the moderator flat out asks each candidate how much they paid in taxes, or Obama says "I've paid 30% in taxes for decades", how about you?

Small point of correction, but Obama didn't pay 30%, either. I haven't gone through all of his tax returns, but he's still paying less than the average American. However, he's almost certainly paying more than Romney.


Your own article says he pays much more than the average American. He paid slightly less than the average 1%er because he gave a bunch to charity.
 
2012-07-31 09:43:48 PM

brap: He's polling much better than I expected.

If it was just his hair that was being elected I would feel much more comfortable. His hairdo is very soothing, it's the meat below it that has me a bit nervous.


His eyebrows are tremendous. Caterpillars tremble in fear.
 
2012-07-31 09:44:02 PM

brap: He's polling much better than I expected.

If it was just his hair that was being elected I would feel much more comfortable. His hairdo is very soothing, it's the meat below it that has me a bit nervous.


You could say Mitt's support is scalp deep.
 
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