doglover: Harding's mother Denika Chatman said police have some responsibility for her son's death and that officers failed to give him immediate medical care. Instead, they "left him writhing in pain with blood gushing out of his neck," the suit said.

No, lady. He left himself writhing in pain with blood gushing out of his neck. The police just happened to be there. If he hadn't been shooting at them and running away, he'd be alive today.

Reminds me of the North Hollywood bank shootout. The one robber took a police round in the femoral artery and died shortly thereafter...yet his mommy sued the police because her bank robbing son who had just spent 30 minutes exchanging fire with PD, hitting at least two cops and two civilians, PLUS robbing a bank, stealing a car after his own broke down and then shooting back at the cops AGAIN...somehow didn't survive.

Although a shot in that artery pretty much ensures you'll die in a minute or two, no matter when you get help.

malaktaus: The general opinion seems to be that it is acceptable for police to decide who should receive aid and who shouldn't and their actions should not be questioned if the deceased is a POS.

Someone just ran out and stole a gun and is now lurking on the scene. Police are not combat medics. Their job isn't to render aid under fire. When someone just swiped a gun, priority one is to find and stop that person.

If you can safely render aid, great. Do that. If you cannot, well don't shoot yourself in the head after exchanging fire with police and you won't get into a situation when an armed man is preventing you from receiving first aid.

This guy could have been the next Saint Michael until he ran from the police, shot himself in the head, and got his gun swiped as he bled out. The cops still did the right thing if they tried to stop the newly armed guy first.

malaktaus: doglover: The kid lodged a .38 in his own brain running from cops (not alone either as someone stole his piece) after trying to pimp out an underage girl.

This is not relevant information. The police could not have known the details of his criminal past, and even if they did they do not have the right to decide who gets to live.

doglover: There's so much going on there that it would be possible suicide for the cops to stop and render aid. I mean THERE WAS AT LEAST ONE OTHER PERP ON THE SCENE.

What, the guy who stole his gun? I find that whole story highly questionable, but even assuming it's true it doesn't count for much if the guy just fled the scene.

doglover: Not only that, but the bullet was not a police bullet. The cops DID NOT SHOOT HIM FATALLY. He did that himself and it's probably the best thing he ever did for society.

Once again, totally irrelevant. Even assuming this is true, and I am pretty dubious, it in no way means they just don't have to render aid. Also, why all the caps? It doesn't make your argument any better, you know.

Sure the world is a better place without this guy, and the police may have behaved in a totally reasonable and acceptable manner, but if you think these questions should remain unasked merely because the guy had it coming you're gonna have a bad time.

You, like the mom, are assuming the police did not render any aid. A femoral artery shot will kill you dead in a very short time. The window for assistance is very small, and he could easily have died while the cops were going back to their car to get a first-aid kit. The subject could have gone into shock and been irretrievable very quickly.

If mom thought the cops acted wrongly, she should be filing a criminal complaint first. That appears not to be the case here, meaning she just wants money, not justice, for her dead son.

malaktaus: The general opinion seems to be that it is acceptable for police to decide who should receive aid and who shouldn't and their actions should not be questioned if the deceased is a POS.

Only if it is a positively identified and ear tagged POS. I don't want any guesswork going on.

I kid with you Fark type people! Of course he was black. But remember, we can not judge, there is something to be learned from all cultures and systems of belief. Ya feel me and know whut I mean? Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE is equal in belief and value.

BWeed6: I looked at her FB page... she has another child named... Mi'neika.
No shiat.
Somebody with more skills than me please, please get to trollin'.

/please

I imagine by now someone has sent her the link to this thread.

malaktaus: doglover: The kid lodged a .38 in his own brain running from cops (not alone either as someone stole his piece) after trying to pimp out an underage girl.

This is not relevant information.



If you put a .38 into your own brain, even in the middle of an ER with the best surgeons in the world ready to render assistance, you're still probably going to die. It's very relevant.

Also your criminal past only has to be brandishing a gun for one second and cops can legally shoot you dead. That's all it takes. This guy was running through a street long enough for someone to get their cell phone's video on and then shot himself and had his gun stolen. Even if the police had a first aid kit on their belt that could treat a headshot from point blank, which I doubt, the time it took them to figure out the new armed guy isn't there is more than enough time for the perp to die.

With a round of any size in your brian it could be five seconds until help arrives and you'd be dead for four and half. The people who survive such injuries are almost always called miracles because it's so rare to do so.

Tsar_Bomba1: dosboot: Kenneth Wade Harding Before His Neck Job
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If those bottom stills are from the scene I've seen that video on Liveleak. He was still alive on the ground, but there was a big crowd of people that was taunting the police. Looks like an officer did attempt aid...

Here's the video

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It's good that that site is able to avoid showing any bias.