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2012-07-31 06:43:46 PM  

fusillade762: stood by her unsupported claim that 99 percent of voters had valid identification

By a quick Google it looks like the voting population of PA is just a shade under 10 million people. So even if her wild-assed guess is correct that's still around 100,000 people who won't be able to vote.

This is such a bald-faced attempt to steal elections for Republicans I don't know how they can make these claims with a straight face.


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fusillade762: stood by her unsupported claim that 99 percent of voters had valid identification

By a quick Google it looks like the voting population of PA is just a shade under 10 million people. So even if her wild-assed guess is correct that's still around 100,000 people who won't be able to vote.

This is such a bald-faced attempt to steal elections for Republicans I don't know how they can make these claims with a straight face.


Nope:

1. Indiana has a voter ID law.
2. It was in effect in 2008.
3. Indiana = Repubtard state
4. President Obama carried the state.

Unconstitutional? Here's your liberal rag citation: Link

oh, and

1mut.com
 
2012-07-31 06:43:49 PM  

qorkfiend: shotglasss: Just show your picture ID and you'll fly right through. You know, that thing you have to show to buy beer, cash a check, drive a car, show a cop if he wants to see it, etc....

Who doesn't have a photo ID, especially when state will give you one if you can't afford it.

If buying beer, cashing checks, or driving cars were constitutionally guaranteed rights, you might have a point. Since they're not, what are you talking about?


Kuroshin: shotglasss: Just show your picture ID and you'll fly right through. You know, that thing you have to show to buy beer, cash a check, drive a car, show a cop if he wants to see it, etc....

Who doesn't have a photo ID, especially when state will give you one if you can't afford it.

None of those things you listed are an absolute right of citizenship.

Not being required to hold/carry an ID card is.

Just because most of us choose to voluntarily carry a form of State-issued ID, doesn't mean that it should be a requirement to exercise our rights as citizens.

/knows some people who live "off the grid"
//not the life for me, but they still have the farking right to vote


Kuroshin and qorkfiend expressed it pretty well, but maybe it needs to be expressed more on the level of those who would even try to make an argument like shotglass's.
 
2012-07-31 06:45:03 PM  

Donnchadha: shotglasss: Just show your picture ID and you'll fly right through. You know, that thing you have to show to buy beer, cash a check, drive a car, show a cop if he wants to see it, etc....

Who doesn't have a photo ID, especially when state will give you one if you can't afford it.

Drinking alcohol is not a constitutionally protected right. I'd argue that purchasing beer does not involve the government, but this is Pennsylvania, so it does there.

Cashing a check is a transaction between private entities, not the government.

You do not need photo ID to drive a car. You need to be licensed to drive a car and the license takes the form of valid photo ID.

You do not need to show a cop your photo ID if he requests it. You must identify yourself, but you do not need to "present your papers" on demand. If a cop asks for your license while driving a car it is to verify that you are a licensed driver. If he asks for your drivers license while you're walking down the street, you can tell him "No, but my name is John Smith".

And while we're at it, show me where you can get a free photo ID from Pennsylvania. You can get a photo ID card from the DMV for $13.50, but that's not free. If you require this, then you're stating that it costs $13.50 to cast a vote in an election (minimally).


Only $13.50 is practically free. That at least gets you some skin in the game. I'm a bit sick of all these people complaining that a photo ID is so damn hard for some people to get. Why is that? How is it so difficult for someone to get a photo ID?

Face it, it's about the voter fraud, pure and simple. Require photo ID, and it hurts people who want to vote under someone else's name.
 
2012-07-31 06:45:54 PM  

COMALite J: qorkfiend: shotglasss: Just show your picture ID and you'll fly right through. You know, that thing you have to show to buy beer, cash a check, drive a car, show a cop if he wants to see it, etc....

Who doesn't have a photo ID, especially when state will give you one if you can't afford it.

If buying beer, cashing checks, or driving cars were constitutionally guaranteed rights, you might have a point. Since they're not, what are you talking about?

Kuroshin: shotglasss: Just show your picture ID and you'll fly right through. You know, that thing you have to show to buy beer, cash a check, drive a car, show a cop if he wants to see it, etc....

Who doesn't have a photo ID, especially when state will give you one if you can't afford it.

None of those things you listed are an absolute right of citizenship.

Not being required to hold/carry an ID card is.

Just because most of us choose to voluntarily carry a form of State-issued ID, doesn't mean that it should be a requirement to exercise our rights as citizens.

/knows some people who live "off the grid"
//not the life for me, but they still have the farking right to vote

Kuroshin and qorkfiend expressed it pretty well, but maybe it needs to be expressed more on the level of those who would even try to make an argument like shotglass's.


Voter fraud, pure and simple. That's what it's about.
 
2012-07-31 06:46:06 PM  
It will be interesting to see what the results are.

Why is it that in some threads rural folk are always white trash poverty queens who vote republican but in threads like this something that affects poor people only affects people who vote democrat?
 
2012-07-31 06:46:32 PM  

shotglasss: Just show your picture ID and you'll fly right through. You know, that thing you have to show to buy beer, cash a check, drive a car, show a cop if he wants to see it, etc....

Who doesn't have a photo ID, especially when state will give you one if you can't afford it.


Do you have your photo gun owner's ID?
 
2012-07-31 06:46:43 PM  

meat0918: and more importantly, purple ink for your finger so you cannot vote twice.


Now, there's an interesting point: that works everywhere else in th world. In the GOP is so worried about voter fraud, why not just pass a law requiring those who vote to have their thumb inked and leave their thumbprint?

/or is it really not about voter fraud?
 
2012-07-31 06:47:54 PM  

birchman: mute point


"Moot."

/peate pev
 
2012-07-31 06:49:52 PM  
Voter ID:
www.apfn.net
 
2012-07-31 06:50:53 PM  

Serious Black: Tumunga: A Dark Evil Omen: shotglasss: Just show your picture ID and you'll fly right through. You know, that thing you have to show to buy beer, cash a check, drive a car, show a cop if he wants to see it, etc....

Who doesn't have a photo ID, especially when state will give you one if you can't afford it.

If you don't have supporting evidence it becomes very difficult and expensive to get that "free" ID.

Meh. $30 tops. Just turn off the all access cable/dish channel, put down the crack pipe, stand out in front of your house and sell a couple of blowjobs. Skip 5 McDonalds meals, whatever. If you can't find a way to shiat $30 nowdays, you're not smart enough to vote.

What part of the 24th Amendment do you not understand?


The part where you're allowed to vote multiple times by misrepresenting yourself to the poll workers.

I'm all for purple fingers.
 
2012-07-31 06:52:03 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Tumunga: A Dark Evil Omen: shotglasss: Just show your picture ID and you'll fly right through. You know, that thing you have to show to buy beer, cash a check, drive a car, show a cop if he wants to see it, etc....

Who doesn't have a photo ID, especially when state will give you one if you can't afford it.

If you don't have supporting evidence it becomes very difficult and expensive to get that "free" ID.

Meh. $30 tops. Just turn off the all access cable/dish channel, put down the crack pipe, stand out in front of your house and sell a couple of blowjobs. Skip 5 McDonalds meals, whatever. If you can't find a way to shiat $30 nowdays, you're not smart enough to vote.

You are a disgusting human being.


Thanks, Mr. Evil Omen.
 
2012-07-31 06:53:28 PM  

Tumunga: A Dark Evil Omen: shotglasss: Just show your picture ID and you'll fly right through. You know, that thing you have to show to buy beer, cash a check, drive a car, show a cop if he wants to see it, etc....

Who doesn't have a photo ID, especially when state will give you one if you can't afford it.

If you don't have supporting evidence it becomes very difficult and expensive to get that "free" ID.

Meh. $30 tops. Just turn off the all access cable/dish channel, put down the crack pipe, stand out in front of your house and sell a couple of blowjobs. Skip 5 McDonalds meals, whatever. If you can't find a way to shiat $30 nowdays, you're not smart enough to vote.


That constitution conservatives are always worshiping as if it were written by Jesus himself guarentees the right to vote to all. If the intent is to exclude some by reason of their knowledge, wisdom, or intelligence; then you best get to the amendment process. For a law passed with your stated intend would certainly be unconstitutional.
 
2012-07-31 06:53:59 PM  

Kuroshin: shotglasss: Just show your picture ID and you'll fly right through. You know, that thing you have to show to buy beer, cash a check, drive a car, show a cop if he wants to see it, etc....

Who doesn't have a photo ID, especially when state will give you one if you can't afford it.

None of those things you listed are an absolute right of citizenship.

Not being required to hold/carry an ID card is.

Just because most of us choose to voluntarily carry a form of State-issued ID, doesn't mean that it should be a requirement to exercise our rights as citizens.

/knows some people who live "off the grid"
//not the life for me, but they still have the farking right to vote


I've actually started going out with no ID on me most of the time, and just enough cash to do whatever it is I'm doing.

A right not exercised is lost.
 
2012-07-31 06:54:09 PM  
CBS reported that when lawyers cited testimony from a Department of State official calling the number likely inaccurate, Aichele responded "I disagree."

I disagree with you. Therefore, I am correct.

I am for passing a law which says if you are a politician who makes claims supporting legislation without providing a citation you will be fired into the sun. Has to be included in notes somewhere, and has to be provided when giving testimony. Does not matter how unreliable the source is or factually incorrect the information is as long as you have the source.
 
2012-07-31 06:55:52 PM  

youl100: Voter ID:
[www.apfn.net image 331x450]


Why get your finger messy when you get one of these:

bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com

Well, unless you like sticking your finger in a hole, and pulling purple goo out with it. You've either stuck your finger in a grape pie, or a sphincter infested with internal bleeding.
 
2012-07-31 06:56:54 PM  

Tumunga: Well, unless you like sticking your finger in a hole, and pulling purple goo out with it


Like you've never fingerbanged a muppet.
 
2012-07-31 06:59:10 PM  
People who can't make it to an office to get an ID aren't going to get to a voting booth either.
 
2012-07-31 06:59:13 PM  

Seabon: Tumunga: A Dark Evil Omen: shotglasss: Just show your picture ID and you'll fly right through. You know, that thing you have to show to buy beer, cash a check, drive a car, show a cop if he wants to see it, etc....

Who doesn't have a photo ID, especially when state will give you one if you can't afford it.

If you don't have supporting evidence it becomes very difficult and expensive to get that "free" ID.

Meh. $30 tops. Just turn off the all access cable/dish channel, put down the crack pipe, stand out in front of your house and sell a couple of blowjobs. Skip 5 McDonalds meals, whatever. If you can't find a way to shiat $30 nowdays, you're not smart enough to vote.

That constitution conservatives are always worshiping as if it were written by Jesus himself guarentees the right to vote to all. If the intent is to exclude some by reason of their knowledge, wisdom, or intelligence; then you best get to the amendment process. For a law passed with your stated intend would certainly be unconstitutional.


Unconstitutional? Wrong answer, sir:

Link
 
2012-07-31 07:00:12 PM  

12349876: If they were serious about voter fraud, there'd be a free national ID card and purple fingers.


I seem to recall there was quite the shiatstorm last time they tried to implement a national ID card.
 
2012-07-31 07:01:16 PM  

Tumunga: The part where you're allowed to vote multiple times by misrepresenting yourself to the poll workers.


Oh look, another disposable amendment to the Constitution. I forget, how many have dropped off the Republican version?
 
2012-07-31 07:02:01 PM  

consider this: People who can't make it to an office to get an ID aren't going to get to a voting booth either.


Paul Carroll
Paul is an 86-year-old World War II veteran who has lived in the same Ohio town for four decades. Yet when he attempted to vote in the recent Ohio primary, he was told his photo ID from the Department of Veterans Affairs was not good enough because it did not include his address.

Thelma Mitchell
Thelma is a 93-year-old woman who cleaned the Tennessee Capitol for 30 years. She never received a birth certificate, however, because she was delivered by a midwife in Alabama in 1918 and there was no record of her birth. When she attempted to obtain a voter ID, she was turned away for lack of a birth certificate by a clerk who suggested she could be an illegal immigrant.

Ricky Tyrone Lewis
Ricky is a 58 year-old Marine Corps veteran. Despite the fact that he was able to offer Wisconsin voting officials proof of his honorable discharge from the Marines, Milwaukee County has been unable to find the record of his birth that he needs in order to obtain a voter ID card.

Link

Bunch a lazy assholes amirite?
 
2012-07-31 07:02:36 PM  

shotglasss: Only $13.50 is practically free. That at least gets you some skin in the game.


"Practically free" is not "free". When Mississippi's poll tax law went into effect around the beginning of the 20th century, the poll tax was $2, which is about $14 today.

Also, "skin in the game": HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
2012-07-31 07:04:10 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Tumunga: Meh. $30 tops. Just turn off the all access cable/dish channel, put down the crack pipe, stand out in front of your house and sell a couple of blowjobs. Skip 5 McDonalds meals, whatever. If you can't find a way to shiat $30 nowdays, you're not smart enough to vote.

See how easy it is to get an ID that doesn't do anything to affect voter fraud because there is none?

"And when a friend gave him an hour-long ride to the PennDOT center nearest his house, the clerk refused to issue the photo ID because the name on his New York birth certificate is Daniel Guerra -- changed later to Daniel Rosa after his mother married his stepfather. Rosa is the name on his discharge papers and his Veterans Administration ID card."

Stupid veterans should just put down the crack pipe and sell a couple of blowjobs. $30 tops.


Sure, if you wanna vote.

So what you're saying, money wasn't an issue for this fine American? He just needs to clear up a discrepancy? Oh noes! He's a vet. He should be able to suck it up, and get everything squared away. We're supposed to be trained to do so.

/Veteran
//Owns a state issued ID
 
2012-07-31 07:05:06 PM  

Tumunga: The part where you're allowed to vote multiple times by misrepresenting yourself to the poll workers.


shotglasss: Voter fraud, pure and simple. That's what it's about.


Fairy tales. Might as well issue Voter IDs to stop unicorns from voting more than once. That problem doesn't exist, either.
 
2012-07-31 07:05:44 PM  

Tumunga: Sure, if you wanna vote.


No, sorry. Denied the right to vote on the basis of not paying a tax or other fee is explicitly unconstitutional.
 
2012-07-31 07:07:28 PM  

consider this: People who can't make it to an office to get an ID aren't going to get to a voting booth either.


Not true at all, at least in the urban parts of Pennsylvania.

Here in Philly, we vote by subdivisions of wards, which means the polling places are every couple of blocks. They're easy to get to, and it's unusual to see a line at any of them, except around 5-7PM as people get off work.

On the other hand, we only have FOUR DMV locations in the entire city.

See the problem?
 
2012-07-31 07:10:40 PM  

Tumunga: So what you're saying, money wasn't an issue for this fine American? He just needs to clear up a discrepancy? Oh noes! He's a vet. He should be able to suck it up, and get everything squared away. We're supposed to be trained to do so.


No, what I'm saying is that he shouldn't need an ID to vote because the voter fraud you imagine to exist, doesn't. It's been pretty clear in all of my posts. Maybe you can show me some voter fraud to change my mind on why we need to spend millions of dollars and disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of voters in every state to do what we've effectively been doing for decades upon decades without any problems.

Tumunga: /Veteran
//Owns a state issued ID


I'm also a veteran. I don't have a state issued ID. You are missing the point.
 
2012-07-31 07:11:41 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Bunch a lazy assholes amirite?


Pretty much, there's no excuse for any of them not having a valid ID.
 
2012-07-31 07:13:19 PM  

thamike: Tumunga: Well, unless you like sticking your finger in a hole, and pulling purple goo out with it

Like you've never fingerbanged a muppet.


i636.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-31 07:13:44 PM  

thamike: shotglasss: Just show your picture ID and you'll fly right through. You know, that thing you have to show to buy beer, cash a check, drive a car, show a cop if he wants to see it, etc....

Who doesn't have a photo ID, especially when state will give you one if you can't afford it.

Do you have your photo gun owner's ID?


boomheadshot.jpg
 
2012-07-31 07:16:09 PM  

consider this: Pretty much, there's no excuse for any of them not having a valid ID.


There aren't excuses, there are reasons, and they're right there. I guess it's easier to dismiss them outright then to admit you support voter suppression. But you've been here a whole month now, so that absolutely makes sense.
 
2012-07-31 07:17:20 PM  

qorkfiend: shotglasss: Just show your picture ID and you'll fly right through. You know, that thing you have to show to buy beer, cash a check, drive a car, show a cop if he wants to see it, etc....

Who doesn't have a photo ID, especially when state will give you one if you can't afford it.

If buying beer, cashing checks, or driving cars were constitutionally guaranteed rights, you might have a point. Since they're not, what are you talking about?


Voting is not actually a constitutionally guaranteed right. There are prohibitions against denying the right to vote to persons for certain reasons, but outside of that, each state determines who may or may not vote. That's why felons can vote in some states, but not in others.
 
2012-07-31 07:17:39 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: But you've been here a whole month now, so that absolutely makes sense.


consider 9 beers and its other unknown alts has been here longer than that.
 
2012-07-31 07:17:39 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Tumunga: So what you're saying, money wasn't an issue for this fine American? He just needs to clear up a discrepancy? Oh noes! He's a vet. He should be able to suck it up, and get everything squared away. We're supposed to be trained to do so.

No, what I'm saying is that he shouldn't need an ID to vote because the voter fraud you imagine to exist, doesn't. It's been pretty clear in all of my posts. Maybe you can show me some voter fraud to change my mind on why we need to spend millions of dollars and disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of voters in every state to do what we've effectively been doing for decades upon decades without any problems.

Tumunga: /Veteran
//Owns a state issued ID

I'm also a veteran. I don't have a state issued ID. You are missing the point.


I live in Indiana. The law says if you wanna vote, bring a picture ID with you. We can register to vote at the license branch while we're getting the state ID, or your driver's license. The law even passed constitutional muster:

Link
 
2012-07-31 07:19:36 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: On the other hand, we only have FOUR DMV locations in the entire city.


That's not true at all. I'm on the Pennsylvania DOT website and there are dozens of locations in Philadelphia for obtaining a state ID. If somebody can make it to a voting location, they can make it to a state ID office.
 
2012-07-31 07:19:56 PM  

consider this: Pretty much, there's no excuse for any of them not having a valid ID.


There is no excuse for not having an ID that will do nothing to abate the nonexistent problem of voter fraud. Are you sure about that?
 
2012-07-31 07:20:12 PM  

Tumunga: Seabon: Tumunga: A Dark Evil Omen: shotglasss: Just show your picture ID and you'll fly right through. You know, that thing you have to show to buy beer, cash a check, drive a car, show a cop if he wants to see it, etc....

Who doesn't have a photo ID, especially when state will give you one if you can't afford it.

If you don't have supporting evidence it becomes very difficult and expensive to get that "free" ID.

Meh. $30 tops. Just turn off the all access cable/dish channel, put down the crack pipe, stand out in front of your house and sell a couple of blowjobs. Skip 5 McDonalds meals, whatever. If you can't find a way to shiat $30 nowdays, you're not smart enough to vote.

That constitution conservatives are always worshiping as if it were written by Jesus himself guarentees the right to vote to all. If the intent is to exclude some by reason of their knowledge, wisdom, or intelligence; then you best get to the amendment process. For a law passed with your stated intend would certainly be unconstitutional.

Unconstitutional? Wrong answer, sir:

Link


Now show me where in the Indiana law is the intent to disallow people by reason of their knowledge, wisdom or intelligence as you espoused.
 
2012-07-31 07:22:05 PM  

birchman: Rich Cream: How the hell do you leave your house to go testify about something and not even read about it first?

/get a brain

So you can feign ignorance and act surprised when your obviously unconstitutional law is overturned so you aren't put in jail for deliberately trying to deny people their rights.


Unconstitutional? Ussc 2006 ruling begs to differ.
 
2012-07-31 07:22:15 PM  

consider this: Dusk-You-n-Me: Bunch a lazy assholes amirite?

Pretty much, there's no excuse for any of them not having a valid ID.


Valid only according to people who write laws to keep them from voting.
 
2012-07-31 07:23:24 PM  

Tumunga: I live in Indiana. The law says if you wanna vote, bring a picture ID with you. We can register to vote at the license branch while we're getting the state ID, or your driver's license. The law even passed constitutional muster:


Soup4Bonnie: As I've said in most every other Voter ID thread; when asked why there is a sudden need for identification at the voting booth when there are almost zero cases of voter fraud, the answer will be how easy they are to obtain.


Explain to me again how easy it is to get since that is not the issue I am addressing at all. Go ahead. It'll be about your third or fourth time.

If this were done Jerry Maguire style, right about now I would be Cuba jumping up and down shouting "SHOW ME THE VOTER FRAUD!"
 
2012-07-31 07:24:08 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Marcus Aurelius: This new crew in Harrisburg doesn't have a clue.

I think there's something in the water in Harrisburg. Methinks there's residual fallout from 3 Mile island, which makes all of our elected officials dumber than a box of rocks.


Must be confined to the downtown area, I live in Harrisburg and am just fine.
 
2012-07-31 07:24:37 PM  

Larry Mahnken: Voting is not actually a constitutionally guaranteed right. There are prohibitions against denying the right to vote to persons for certain reasons, but outside of that, each state determines who may or may not vote. That's why felons can vote in some states, but not in others.


What does Pennsylvania's constitution say about it? I'm pretty sure I heard on the radio that Pennsylvania's constitution does explicitly guarantee that right.
 
2012-07-31 07:25:45 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Marcus Aurelius: This new crew in Harrisburg doesn't have a clue.

I think there's something in the water in Harrisburg. Methinks there's residual fallout from 3 Mile island, which makes all of our elected officials dumber than a box of rocks.


But capable, apparently, of getting the ID necessary to vote. Unlike ... whoever the hell opponents of this are trying to protect.
 
2012-07-31 07:27:36 PM  

consider this: Dwight_Yeast: On the other hand, we only have FOUR DMV locations in the entire city.

That's not true at all. I'm on the Pennsylvania DOT website and there are dozens of locations in Philadelphia for obtaining a state ID. If somebody can make it to a voting location, they can make it to a state ID office.


That's a really stupid thing to lie about, as I checked PennDOT's website before I posted and there are FOUR:

PennDOT Photo & Exam Center


Arch Street

Columbus Blvd.

Island Avenue

West Oak Lane


Any other ones you get are NOT in Philadelphia.
 
2012-07-31 07:27:37 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: There aren't excuses, there are reasons, and they're right there. I guess it's easier to dismiss them outright then to admit you support voter suppression. But you've been here a whole month now, so that absolutely makes sense.


The first guy could have had a valid state ID if he wasn't so damn stupid. The 93 year old woman is full of shiat. You don't live 93 years in a country without having a photo ID or other proof of your existence. The last guy also wouldn't have had a problem had he showed up with a valid state ID.

Stop making bullshiat excuses.
 
2012-07-31 07:28:45 PM  

consider this: Dusk-You-n-Me: There aren't excuses, there are reasons, and they're right there. I guess it's easier to dismiss them outright then to admit you support voter suppression. But you've been here a whole month now, so that absolutely makes sense.

The first guy could have had a valid state ID if he wasn't so damn stupid. The 93 year old woman is full of shiat. You don't live 93 years in a country without having a photo ID or other proof of your existence. The last guy also wouldn't have had a problem had he showed up with a valid state ID.

Stop making bullshiat excuses.


PLONK!
 
2012-07-31 07:30:12 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: That's a really stupid thing to lie about, as I checked PennDOT's website before I posted and there are FOUR:


Wrong, there are dozens of places to get a valid state ID in Philly. I searched one zip code and there were 5 listed. You need to stop narrowing your search to certain facilities and expand it to any location capable of issuing a state ID card.
 
2012-07-31 07:31:03 PM  

Seabon: Tumunga: Seabon: Tumunga: A Dark Evil Omen: shotglasss: Just show your picture ID and you'll fly right through. You know, that thing you have to show to buy beer, cash a check, drive a car, show a cop if he wants to see it, etc....

Who doesn't have a photo ID, especially when state will give you one if you can't afford it.

If you don't have supporting evidence it becomes very difficult and expensive to get that "free" ID.

Meh. $30 tops. Just turn off the all access cable/dish channel, put down the crack pipe, stand out in front of your house and sell a couple of blowjobs. Skip 5 McDonalds meals, whatever. If you can't find a way to shiat $30 nowdays, you're not smart enough to vote.

That constitution conservatives are always worshiping as if it were written by Jesus himself guarentees the right to vote to all. If the intent is to exclude some by reason of their knowledge, wisdom, or intelligence; then you best get to the amendment process. For a law passed with your stated intend would certainly be unconstitutional.

Unconstitutional? Wrong answer, sir:

Link

Now show me where in the Indiana law is the intent to disallow people by reason of their knowledge, wisdom or intelligence as you espoused.


I'm gonna pull a Pelosi on that request. You read it that big mess, and show me that it's not in there.
 
2012-07-31 07:33:04 PM  

consider this: Wrong


Dude, I live in Philly. I know what I'm talking about.

And I didn't "narrow my search"; I searched for places where you can get a photo ID. There are four. I listed then above.

But keep claiming I'm wrong as it amuses me to see you look stupid.
 
2012-07-31 07:33:14 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Tumunga: I live in Indiana. The law says if you wanna vote, bring a picture ID with you. We can register to vote at the license branch while we're getting the state ID, or your driver's license. The law even passed constitutional muster:

Soup4Bonnie: As I've said in most every other Voter ID thread; when asked why there is a sudden need for identification at the voting booth when there are almost zero cases of voter fraud, the answer will be how easy they are to obtain.

Explain to me again how easy it is to get since that is not the issue I am addressing at all. Go ahead. It'll be about your third or fourth time.

If this were done Jerry Maguire style, right about now I would be Cuba jumping up and down shouting "SHOW ME THE VOTER FRAUD!"


Here you go, Mr. Gooding, Jr.:

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