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2012-07-31 11:02:22 PM

Gyrfalcon: Diarrhea Anne Frank: Gyrfalcon: Lorelle: Because dogs aren't humans.

Is that the answer to why we can or why we can't?

Blood sports just ruffle everyone's feathers around here.

I know, right? Not a self-proclaimed "alpha male" sexual Tyrannosaurus in sight. Just a bunch of limp-wristed left wingers in colorful t-shirts who think that inflicting needless pain is somehow "bad." That argument falls down on so many levels, but the most basic one, that they never have an answer for, is this: If I can't feel the pain, how is it possibly bad in any way? My pain, sure, I can relate to that, we should legislate against that. Other people and animals going through pain, though, why should I care about that? What're they gonna do for me? If they could pay us to stop torturing them, then sure, but I don't see no dog-money, sister. You know what dogs trade in? Butt sniffs. If I want my butt sniffed, I'll fling a nickel at my local gimp-for-hire, Limber Limbaugh.

What is this I don't even


It's poetry, man. Pure, beautiful poetry. Ole Ninja's got himself some competition.
 
2012-07-31 11:05:20 PM
Next he's going to want to have sex with his dog.
 
2012-07-31 11:15:20 PM
During a tele-townhall late last week, Rep. Steve King (R-IA) fielded a question about his opposition to animal rights and recently introduced legislation that would undermine local standards preventing animal torture. "It's wrong to rate animals above human beings," he told the questioner.


Why is it morons like him always seem to make the idiotic leap in logic that - somehow magically - if you want some creature to simply not be forced to suffer needlessly then that means you are somehow valuing their lives above human lives? It's almost as if it's not just a small penis he's trying to overcompensate for, but actually an utter lack of basic human decency.
 
2012-07-31 11:41:06 PM

Gyrfalcon: Diarrhea Anne Frank: Gyrfalcon: Lorelle: Because dogs aren't humans.

Is that the answer to why we can or why we can't?

Blood sports just ruffle everyone's feathers around here.

I know, right? Not a self-proclaimed "alpha male" sexual Tyrannosaurus in sight. Just a bunch of limp-wristed left wingers in colorful t-shirts who think that inflicting needless pain is somehow "bad." That argument falls down on so many levels, but the most basic one, that they never have an answer for, is this: If I can't feel the pain, how is it possibly bad in any way? My pain, sure, I can relate to that, we should legislate against that. Other people and animals going through pain, though, why should I care about that? What're they gonna do for me? If they could pay us to stop torturing them, then sure, but I don't see no dog-money, sister. You know what dogs trade in? Butt sniffs. If I want my butt sniffed, I'll fling a nickel at my local gimp-for-hire, Limber Limbaugh.

What is this I don't even


Don't worry, ma'am. This privileged white male is here to do your thinkin' for you. I could only do your thinkin' harder if I was also a nutty relgionista, but unfortunately I declared myself a god sometime in the late 90s. Sure, it didn't take off, but that's what puts f*ckpipes like me ahead of the game. In any case, you just lay back and relax and do things with boobs, or whatever you ladies do all day. It's boob things, right? I'm pretty sure it's boob things. Hey - just had a flash, it was like Jesus bounced off my brain: let's market boobs! Has anybody else thought of this? Because I think it's a winner. Just boobs everywhere. This is why the guy with the curly moustache pays me the big bucks.
 
2012-07-31 11:50:07 PM

Loucifer: Does not approve.

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How the hell did this thread go this long without a Cujo reference?
 
2012-07-31 11:55:14 PM
As someone who lived in Counciltucky while attending law school in Omaha, let me just say this.

Steve King is the perfect representative for his Congressional District.
 
2012-07-31 11:56:26 PM
Good enough then. I'll ask my dogs if they're up for the challenge.

Rep King can choose to either face:

Sunny the sweet dispositioned Boxer who weighs 85lbs and can handle himself*

-or-

Athena the 110lb alpha biatch Neapolitan Mastiff/Boxer cross

I shall forward their responses to Rep King and await his.



*gets his training from putting up with his sister Athena
 
2012-08-01 12:39:08 AM

The Lone Gunman: Okay, let's hear it...

How are Democrats just as bad, and therefore we should vote Republican?


I'm sure someone will at some point jump up and say 'B-b-b-b-ut Michael Vick was a Democrat!! Nothing to see here!!'
 
2012-08-01 12:40:33 AM

Huggermugger: He's obviously got some sort of constituency he's doing this for.

The question is, who could they be, and how many of them could there possibly be? I mean, I can't imagine that there are a whole lot of soybean farmers who have that much blood lust.


As an Iowan (and sadly yes, this psychotic dickbag is from my home district), the only explananation I can offer is this:

Back in 2002, then-Congressman Greg Ganske decided to make a play for Senator Tom Harkin's seat (but he would have to not run for re-election to Congress in order to do so). Oddly enough, in spite of the holocaust that the Democrats suffered that election, Harkin not only beat Ganske, but did so in a landslide.

In the vacuum left during the media attention of the Harkin-Ganske battle, along sneaks in this skeevy little punk from the IA legislature and wins Ganske's old slot.

Since that time, King has never authored one single bill of legislation (which might be a blessing, considerring the horrid views he has) nor has he ever accepted a challenge to a debate during any elections since.

And King knows that the key to his continuing career is to keep his name in the news, regardless of how disgusting or outrageous his comments are. The secret of winning an election isn't about how qualified you are, but how deeply implanted your name is in the average voters' psyche. Well-known creep will clobber unknown good guy every time.

Add to the fact that the IA Democratic Party is a co-conspirator to helping King hold onto power. Election after election, they put up some unknown creampuff with no working campaign budget for King to utterly obliterate.

In short, King is in office not because he has plenty of voters who support him. It's that the IA Demo Party refuses to provide a vigorous challenge to his reign of terror.
 
2012-08-01 12:43:05 AM

dartben: As someone who lived in Counciltucky while attending law school in Omaha, let me just say this.

Steve King is the perfect representative for his Congressional District.


F*ck you.
 
2012-08-01 02:05:40 AM

TV's Vinnie: dartben: As someone who lived in Counciltucky while attending law school in Omaha, let me just say this.

Steve King is the perfect representative for his Congressional District.

F*ck you.


seconded.
 
2012-08-01 02:06:23 AM
Vegan Meat Popsicle: Dumb hillbillies love to kill and torture animals. It fits right into the inbred, uneducated, buck-toothed demographic of brainless hicks he's courting.

There are people in Texas who have been trying for years to get cock fighting banned. They've been unsuccessful because:

1. Doan want the gubmint telling what to do, i have freedoms
2. People opposed to cock fighting don't understand rural life.
 
2012-08-01 02:12:20 AM
Fluorescent Testicle: Oh, by the way, dogfighting is one of the main causes of dog attacks on children, indirect though it may be.

Adding to this, because why not: Abused fighting and bait dogs are often given away to unwitting families when they've reached the end of their "Usefulness," they breed for natural aggression that wouldn't exist otherwise, and they rarely (if ever) fence their dogs. I used to work in animal control and every single dog that attacked a person had been owned at some point by a fighter or abuser.


I'm too tired to look up the reference, but in a high percentage of fatal dog bites, the owner has a criminal record. So, yeah.
 
2012-08-01 02:22:54 AM

TV's Vinnie: dartben: As someone who lived in Counciltucky while attending law school in Omaha, let me just say this.

Steve King is the perfect representative for his Congressional District.

F*ck you.


hugs and kisses.
 
2012-08-01 02:24:51 AM

MBK: James!: Republicans really don't understand the concept of consent.

You own a dog (like a woman). You don't need consent.

I can destroy my property without breaking the law. Why can't I use my property to fight another person's property?


Animals are a bit more advanced than a table.
 
2012-08-01 02:51:46 AM

clkeagle: That would be a great bit of comeuppance for the Iowa GOP. They've spent the last 15 years doing everything they can to drive young and/or educated people out of this state, and to prevent any innovative businesses from setting up shop.


Remember when Iowa was top ranked in education?
 
2012-08-01 03:31:55 AM
I picture Bane having a conversation with Douchenozzle King

Mr King, you must be punished. There will be torture but not of the body, instead the mind. You will watch as I give your family hope that they can fight their way out of a pit of hungry wolves. You will watch them kill each other in an attempt to save themselves from being savagely eaten. Only when your lineage is no more, then you have my permission to die.
 
2012-08-01 04:38:19 AM
Why can't we make dogs fight to the death?

Wow, that's really one of those "if you have to ask" questions, innit?

Okay what did he actually say?

KING: When the legislation that passed in the farm bill that says that it's a federal crime to watch animals fight or to induce someone else to watch an animal fight but it's not a federal crime to induce somebody to watch people fighting, there's something wrong with the priorities of people that think like that.

Two things.

First, aside being a horribly inapt analogy (consent/to the death !=TKO)) that's really more an argument against sports like boxing and MMA than an argument for animal blood sports to the death.

Second, there's something wrong with Steven King.

Seriously, that boy aint right in the head.
 
2012-08-01 04:45:20 AM

Phins: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Dumb hillbillies love to kill and torture animals. It fits right into the inbred, uneducated, buck-toothed demographic of brainless hicks he's courting.

There are people in Texas who have been trying for years to get cock fighting banned. They've been unsuccessful because:

1. Doan want the gubmint telling what to do, i have freedoms
2. People opposed to cock fighting don't understand rural life.


Cockfighting is illegal in Texas. Has been for a long time.
In fact, it's illegal in all 50 states.
 
2012-08-01 04:58:26 AM

quatchi: Why can't we make dogs fight to the death?

Wow, that's really one of those "if you have to ask" questions, innit?

Okay what did he actually say?

KING: When the legislation that passed in the farm bill that says that it's a federal crime to watch animals fight or to induce someone else to watch an animal fight but it's not a federal crime to induce somebody to watch people fighting, there's something wrong with the priorities of people that think like that.

Two things.

First, aside being a horribly inapt analogy (consent/to the death !=TKO)) that's really more an argument against sports like boxing and MMA than an argument for animal blood sports to the death.

Second, there's something wrong with Steven King.

Seriously, that boy aint right in the head.


And what's sad is, King doesn't even realize it.
 
2012-08-01 05:05:07 AM

Gyrfalcon: And what's sad is, King doesn't even realize it.


That *is* sad.

Included on the list of things that also make me sad are the Iowa Dems who can't seem to find and fund a credible candidate to crush this crazy cretin.

/Sorry, when I get sad I tend to alliterate.
 
2012-08-01 06:49:06 AM
Not familiar with Steve King before this. Didn't realize dog fighting was popular among white trash too.
 
2012-08-01 08:53:32 AM

doglover: What an ass. I hope he's killed by an anal fissure.


I wouldn't wish Steve King on any deadly anal fissure. It rather mean for the anal fissure.
 
2012-08-01 10:13:29 AM
His opponent's website - feel free to donate.

Link

/Go get him Christie, we're tired of being embarrassed.
 
kab
2012-08-01 10:15:19 AM
"If we humans can bruise and beat each other for sport, then why can't punching GOP Rep Steve King in the windpipe be a televised competition?" asks the rest of the US.
 
2012-08-01 10:19:48 AM
What a fighting dog might look like

upload.wikimedia.org

Sergeant Stubby, was the most decorated war dog of World War I and the only dog to be promoted to sergeant through combat.

I don't condone dog fighting, but I've never had an issue with dogs being used by police or other armed forced. Now that I'm thinking about it, that might be hypocritical on my part (if you were to take the "consent" angle against dog fighting). In reality, I just wanted to share the Sergeant Stubby link.
 
2012-08-01 10:35:57 AM

realmolo: Steve King is a piece of shiat.

A good rule of thumb is to stay the hell out of western Iowa. I live in Iowa, I've lived here my whole life, and western Iowa is pretty evil. Full of small-minded conservatives, yeah, but there's also just an evil *vibe* out there. It really does feel like 33% of the population are serial killers.


Great, I'm going out there for the weekend.

/Okoboji doesn't count
 
2012-08-01 10:45:23 AM
What a disgusting asshat.
 
2012-08-01 10:45:36 AM

James!: Republicans really don't understand the concept of consent.


Like all the animals consumed as food have consented?
 
2012-08-01 10:51:22 AM

roddack: James!: Republicans really don't understand the concept of consent.

Like all the animals consumed as food have consented?


There's a way to fix that...

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2012-08-01 11:10:21 AM

James!: Republicans really don't understand the concept of consent.


They're still trying to grasp the concept of "descent"[sic], give 'em some breathing room...
 
2012-08-01 11:12:51 AM

themindiswatching: No. For example, you'll get arrested for arson if you burn your own house down, even if you don't have homeowner's insurance.


gilgigamesh: You own your house, but if you burn it down it is a crime...
So right out the gate your analogy is bad, and you should feel bad for attempting it.


Right. You can't burn your house down, but that's only because you might accidentally burn down the whole neighborhood. You can, however, tear your house down if you're so inclined. I'm not trying to defend dogfighting, nor am I really sure what arson has to do with the argument at hand, but if you're going to denigrate other people's analogies, you shouldn't make terrible ones yourselves.
 
2012-08-01 11:16:16 AM

roddack: James!: Republicans really don't understand the concept of consent.

Like all the animals consumed as food have consented?


Last I checked, they don't have the animals fight to the death prior to processing them for food.
 
2012-08-01 11:22:38 AM

Teufelaffe: roddack: James!: Republicans really don't understand the concept of consent.

Like all the animals consumed as food have consented?

Last I checked, they don't have the animals fight to the death prior to processing them for food.


and, in point of fact we have pretty strict rules in place to see that they do not suffer unnecessarily while being slaughtered
 
2012-08-01 11:28:48 AM

Molniya: What a fighting dog might look like

[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x209]

Sergeant Stubby, was the most decorated war dog of World War I and the only dog to be promoted to sergeant through combat.

I don't condone dog fighting, but I've never had an issue with dogs being used by police or other armed forced. Now that I'm thinking about it, that might be hypocritical on my part (if you were to take the "consent" angle against dog fighting). In reality, I just wanted to share the Sergeant Stubby link.


War dogs often breed extremely strong attachments to their units/handlers. Those guys often think of their dog as a team mate, not a tool. Just clarifying the above post's good point. Sgt. Stubby was a badass and would happily protect Steve King from a minefield. Animals can be very good friends even to the worst humans.
 
2012-08-01 12:38:05 PM

Great_Milenko: I've actually wondered this myself. People will step over homeless people in the street, spew venom at welfare recipients, and demand capital punishment for any number of non-capital offenses. They condone war, torture, and ignore the plight of refugees. Homeless? Tough. No insurance? Should have thought of that before you got sick.

But abuse a dog, and HOLY fark!, do they get outraged.


I want to make sure I have this right... you are for dog fighting, right? I just want to make sure that I understand you correctly. The Great Milenko believes that dog fighting is okay.
 
2012-08-01 12:40:57 PM

trotsky: Molniya: What a fighting dog might look like

[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x209]

Sergeant Stubby, was the most decorated war dog of World War I and the only dog to be promoted to sergeant through combat.

I don't condone dog fighting, but I've never had an issue with dogs being used by police or other armed forced. Now that I'm thinking about it, that might be hypocritical on my part (if you were to take the "consent" angle against dog fighting). In reality, I just wanted to share the Sergeant Stubby link.

War dogs often breed extremely strong attachments to their units/handlers. Those guys often think of their dog as a team mate, not a tool. Just clarifying the above post's good point. Sgt. Stubby was a badass and would happily protect Steve King from a minefield. Animals can be very good friends even to the worst humans.


I agree with you, but my ultimate point was, "can the war dogs consent to being a solider any more than a dog-fighting dog can?" To me, the consent argument just doesn't hold water (unless you are against all forms of animal labor and vegan). I think it ultimately boils down to an issue of respect and humane treatment. We may use animals for food, war, and labor; but we should treat them with dignity and respect while doing it. In the case of food, that involves things like free range products, and in labor maybe not overworking them and given them proper shelter and nutrition. I'm not sure where that leaves my feelings on animal testing, but at some point you have to weigh the pros and cons.
 
2012-08-01 02:14:35 PM

Magorn: Teufelaffe: roddack: James!: Republicans really don't understand the concept of consent.

Like all the animals consumed as food have consented?

Last I checked, they don't have the animals fight to the death prior to processing them for food.

and, in point of fact we have pretty strict rules in place to see that they do not suffer unnecessarily while being slaughtered


Don't bulls used in bullfighting get slaughtered for food after the "fun" is over?
 
2012-08-01 04:54:58 PM

stoli n coke: Phins: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Dumb hillbillies love to kill and torture animals. It fits right into the inbred, uneducated, buck-toothed demographic of brainless hicks he's courting.

There are people in Texas who have been trying for years to get cock fighting banned. They've been unsuccessful because:

1. Doan want the gubmint telling what to do, i have freedoms
2. People opposed to cock fighting don't understand rural life.

Cockfighting is illegal in Texas. Has been for a long time.
In fact, it's illegal in all 50 states.


Yeah, but try actually getting anything done about people cockfighting. The neighbors on the other side of my backyard fence were training fighting cocks in their backyard. All day every day, the roosters crowed. Big fighting roosters, and the tiny training roosters the big ones tore apart. The chicken-coop smell was nauseating. I called animal control, the cops, the sheriff's office, the zoning board, and finally the local media. Not one single agency showed the slightest interest in what was going on.

My husband went to their house, knocked on the door, and told the man who answered that the roosters had better be gone by the time he came home from work. They were.

/css
 
2012-08-01 05:00:11 PM

buckler: Magorn: Teufelaffe: roddack: James!: Republicans really don't understand the concept of consent.

Like all the animals consumed as food have consented?

Last I checked, they don't have the animals fight to the death prior to processing them for food.

and, in point of fact we have pretty strict rules in place to see that they do not suffer unnecessarily while being slaughtered

Don't bulls used in bullfighting get slaughtered for food after the "fun" is over?


I always root for the bull. I have no sympathy for people who get injured or killed in bullfights, running of the bulls, rodeos, and other such livestock teasing events.
 
2012-08-02 08:25:56 AM

TV's Vinnie: dartben: As someone who lived in Counciltucky while attending law school in Omaha, let me just say this.

Steve King is the perfect representative for his Congressional District.

F*ck you.


What, Western Iowa has the meth capital of the country (Sioux City), a bunch of bible thumpers in the rural areas, and the floodplain part of Councitucky is like a redneck version of East St. Louis - always got a laugh at having to drive by 5 adult establishments to get to the grocery store. My favorite was the starlight hotel across the street from the razzle dazzle.

How Mike Gronstal keeps getting elected to the state senate out of that district still boggles the mind.
 
2012-08-02 12:15:47 PM

dartben: TV's Vinnie: dartben: As someone who lived in Counciltucky while attending law school in Omaha, let me just say this.

Steve King is the perfect representative for his Congressional District.

F*ck you.

What, Western Iowa has the meth capital of the country (Sioux City), a bunch of bible thumpers in the rural areas, and the floodplain part of Councitucky is like a redneck version of East St. Louis - always got a laugh at having to drive by 5 adult establishments to get to the grocery store. My favorite was the starlight hotel across the street from the razzle dazzle.

How Mike Gronstal keeps getting elected to the state senate out of that district still boggles the mind.


Wow. Sounds like you've been nowhere near the place at all and just pulled out some random establishments from Google maps.

Shall we talk about your beloved OmaHell perhaps, where the city is sinking deep in the red because it was strongarmed by the College World Series to build an expensive new stadium that it couldn't afford? How OmaHell is the epicenter of right-wing extremism in the midwest?

Maybe I could mention that Omaha is where Enron came from.

Or, how about the fact that North Omaha is one part blacksploitation movie and one half Thunderdome.

Or, maybe you're just jealous that most Nebraskans are going over to Iowa now because of the added taxes that OmaHell mayor Suttle has been imposing because of the severe budget shortfall (again, unnecessary stadium)?

Or how the state of Nebraska is suing for the right to execute it's convicts using drugs meant for animals (since the pharmaceutical firm that used to make their Magic Needle Juice for humans ceased production) and is even being sued by one firm in India for buying drugs from them under false pretenses. It's no Texas, but Nebraska loves to kill it's share of brown people whenever it can find an excuse.

Or what the hey, maybe I could just go right for the throat and drop some mention about the Dirty Little Secret Past about OmaHell involving a certain S&L (Franklin Savings and Loan), the republican party of the late 80's, a preteen prostitute ring, Boys Town, late night "boy-swapping parties" involving many of OmaHell's elite, and several former victim whistleblowers who .........ahem........"had a little accident". You know, stuff that would make Jerry Sandusky wince.

But nahhhh. You go ahead and have your little illusion about OmaHell being the Garden side of Eden.
 
2012-08-02 07:27:21 PM
That's a nice rant and all, but really barking up the wrong tree. I've been in Des Moines for awhile now. (and I went to high school at North, so it's not like I'm going to disagree with anything you say about that part of town).

But seriously, Counciltucky's a craphole until you get into the actual Bluffs. The casino money that's funneled into the Iowa West Foundation helps, but polishing a turd doesn't change the fact that it's still a turd.
 
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