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2012-07-31 03:31:04 PM
Huh, someone on Fark actually came up with that scenario in an earlier thread. Wonder how their going to handle the fact that it's hollow.
 
2012-07-31 03:36:00 PM
If they kill Rory I will be so pissed.
 
2012-07-31 03:38:08 PM

Magruda: If they kill Rory I will be so pissed.


Again?
 
2012-07-31 03:42:31 PM
Ugh. So instead of Daleks, they're going to overuse the angels until we're all sick of them now.
 
2012-07-31 03:45:15 PM
Weeping angels again? Let it go, man. Let it go.
 
2012-07-31 03:48:03 PM

Zap_Rowsdower: Ugh. So instead of Daleks, they're going to overuse the angels until we're all sick of them now.


Daleks make an appearance this year...all of them!

The angles were the creepiest new villains in the whovierse. They should have left them alone. The second story really pulled the scary out if them. I think it was the direction and the lighting.
 
2012-07-31 03:54:33 PM

azazyel: Wonder how their going to handle the fact that it's hollow.


"I'm trapped inside a giant robot replica of my wife the statue of Liberty. I'm trying not to see that as a metaphor."
 
2012-07-31 04:00:35 PM
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2012-07-31 04:01:20 PM
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Turns out these are those weirdos from the 54st Century after River Song but they come to 2012 NYC to battle the Weeping Liberty.
 
2012-07-31 04:02:36 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Zap_Rowsdower: Ugh. So instead of Daleks, they're going to overuse the angels until we're all sick of them now.

Daleks make an appearance this year...all of them!

The angles were the creepiest new villains in the whovierse. They should have left them alone. The second story really pulled the scary out if them. I think it was the direction and the lighting.


Nah, it was the whole, "Walk like you can see and they won't attack you" bit from the Angels two part episode that did it for me. Hell I actually liked the bit where if you stare at an Angel's eyes they can manifest in your head and screw you up part, but the whole "They won't attack you if they think you can see them" was kinda stupid. Now this with the Statue of Liberty. The Angels have jumped the shark. I've loved Moffat being at the helm these last few seasons, but that's just bad.
 
2012-07-31 04:06:56 PM
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2012-07-31 04:13:37 PM

rickycal78: Darth_Lukecash: Zap_Rowsdower: Ugh. So instead of Daleks, they're going to overuse the angels until we're all sick of them now.

Daleks make an appearance this year...all of them!

The angles were the creepiest new villains in the whovierse. They should have left them alone. The second story really pulled the scary out if them. I think it was the direction and the lighting.

Nah, it was the whole, "Walk like you can see and they won't attack you" bit from the Angels two part episode that did it for me. Hell I actually liked the bit where if you stare at an Angel's eyes they can manifest in your head and screw you up part, but the whole "They won't attack you if they think you can see them" was kinda stupid. Now this with the Statue of Liberty. The Angels have jumped the shark. I've loved Moffat being at the helm these last few seasons, but that's just bad.


That was breatakingly idiotic. The whole point was the angels couldn't move if observed. That was their defense and weakness.

You would think that they noticed they werent observed. Perhaps if the angels had to maneuver themselves so they wouldn't be seen...

Either way their second appearance didn't work, but the actual story was decent.
 
2012-07-31 04:19:49 PM
Rory and Amy will be the Adam and Eve of Gallifrey.
 
2012-07-31 04:24:05 PM
Hmmm...I worry that Moffat might be taking the Sherlock route and getting a little too cute with his ideas. The last season of Sherlock was godawful, and basically fell just short of Moffat yelling in the background "don't worry about that! It just looks cool, and that's what matters!"

Matt Smith can keep the franchise going for a bit longer, but Moffat might be pushing it downwards. I know Doctor Who has never been one for continuity and logic, but, goodness, it's gotten worse since Moffat took over.
 
2012-07-31 04:43:45 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Hmmm...I worry that Moffat might be taking the Sherlock route and getting a little too cute with his ideas. The last season of Sherlock was godawful, and basically fell just short of Moffat yelling in the background "don't worry about that! It just looks cool, and that's what matters!"

Matt Smith can keep the franchise going for a bit longer, but Moffat might be pushing it downwards. I know Doctor Who has never been one for continuity and logic, but, goodness, it's gotten worse since Moffat took over.



Moffat's a great episode writer and character creator, but I'm starting to agree with you that he has some serious deficiencies when given total creative control as show runner.

Davies, meanwhile, sucked ass* as an episode writer but I'll give him kudos for a lot of his 'big-picture' accomplishments and decisions (until the abomination known as Torchwood: Miracle Day, that is).
*No pun intended, what with him being an uphill gardener and all.
 
2012-07-31 04:47:02 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer:
Matt Smith can keep the franchise going for a bit longer, but Moffat might be pushing it downwards. I know Doctor Who has never been one for continuity and logic, but, goodness, it's gotten worse since Moffat took over.


THIS.

Moffat was a good contributor, but as the driving force he suffers from a lack of "NO" around him.

/Still thinks Matt Smith looks like the Elephant Man.
 
2012-07-31 05:05:50 PM
Here's how I figure it all goes down: Rory gets touched by an Angel, gets sent back into the past and dies an old man when Amy and the Doctor next see him. Amy finds the Angel that tagged him, and willingly lets herself be tagged in order to join her husband in the past. The Angels somehow turn their lives into a fixed point so the Doctor can't just hop in the TARDIS and rescue them. Old Amy dies as the Doctor looks on helplessly.

Since they are un NYC for the episode and River Song reportedly plays a role, I'm also willing to bet that at the very end we'll get a scene where a middle-aged version of the Ponds finds a young Mels on the streets of New York in 1969, so there is a bittersweet ending for them as a family.
 
2012-07-31 05:08:37 PM
Actually 1970 since the Melody regeneration was 6 months after the moon landing.
 
2012-07-31 05:27:50 PM

HopScotchNSoda: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Hmmm...I worry that Moffat might be taking the Sherlock route and getting a little too cute with his ideas. The last season of Sherlock was godawful, and basically fell just short of Moffat yelling in the background "don't worry about that! It just looks cool, and that's what matters!"

Matt Smith can keep the franchise going for a bit longer, but Moffat might be pushing it downwards. I know Doctor Who has never been one for continuity and logic, but, goodness, it's gotten worse since Moffat took over.


Moffat's a great episode writer and character creator, but I'm starting to agree with you that he has some serious deficiencies when given total creative control as show runner.

Davies, meanwhile, sucked ass* as an episode writer but I'll give him kudos for a lot of his 'big-picture' accomplishments and decisions (until the abomination known as Torchwood: Miracle Day, that is).
*No pun intended, what with him being an uphill gardener and all.


I totally disagree. Moffs overall overall stories are far superior to Davies "I'll have a Dois Ex Mechanica" series endings and episodes.

Davies, on the other hand, has done the best with the emotional. On the otherhand, it's actually nice that they remember The Doctor is a 1000 year old alien, and not some Don Jaun who pines for or chased by every female.
 
2012-07-31 05:33:53 PM
Flesh and Stone was the episode that ruined the Angels for me. "Walk like you can see" was survivable with some justification, but all immersion was lost the second I saw an Angel move on-screen. Making a giant Angel isn't going to bring that back.

Mad_Radhu: Since they are un NYC for the episode and River Song reportedly plays a role, I'm also willing to bet that at the very end we'll get a scene where a middle-aged version of the Ponds finds a young Mels on the streets of New York in 1969, so there is a bittersweet ending for them as a family.


Even by Doctor Who standards, River Song's timeline is a massively convoluted mess and I think "Let's Kill Hitler" actually made it worse. I'm starting to get the feeling they're making her timeline up as they go along.

Fingers crossed Rory survives.
 
2012-07-31 05:42:51 PM

Darth_Lukecash: On the other hand, it's actually nice that they remember The Doctor is a 1000 year old alien, and not some Don Jaun who pines for or chased by every female.


There should be a rule: if you write slash about particular characters, you're not allowed write episodes involving those characters. I swear, if RTD could've changed Tennant's costume in "The Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords" to running around shirtless with "PLEASE MASTER" and an arrow pointing down scrawled on his back in a shaky, pre-orgasmic hand he would've done it.

/will never understand Foe Yay
 
2012-07-31 05:43:19 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Davies, on the other hand, has done the best with the emotional.


Of the two of them, maybe (although I'm not about to agree with you on that at this time, but I'll give you "Turn Left"). Neither Moffat nor Davies holds a candle, though, to Richard Curtis for emotional impact. Granted, Curtis has only written a singling episode, but damn if it didn't pack punches upon punches.

For individual scenes, Moffat knows how to provide emotional impact (examples: the cold open of "A Good Man Goes to War", news of the Brigadier's death and both Rory and Amy's behaviours inside the pyramid in "The Wedding of River Song", River's death in "Forest of the Dead").
 
2012-07-31 05:48:27 PM

Mad_Radhu: Here's how I figure it all goes down: Rory gets touched by an Angel, gets sent back into the past and dies an old man when Amy and the Doctor next see him. Amy finds the Angel that tagged him, and willingly lets herself be tagged in order to join her husband in the past. The Angels somehow turn their lives into a fixed point so the Doctor can't just hop in the TARDIS and rescue them. Old Amy dies as the Doctor looks on helplessly.

Since they are un NYC for the episode and River Song reportedly plays a role, I'm also willing to bet that at the very end we'll get a scene where a middle-aged version of the Ponds finds a young Mels on the streets of New York in 1969, so there is a bittersweet ending for them as a family.


Having Amy and Rory get blinked back to some fixed point was my exact thought as well. A convenient way to dump them without actually killing them.
 
2012-07-31 05:54:16 PM

Darth_Lukecash: rickycal78: Darth_Lukecash: Zap_Rowsdower: Ugh. So instead of Daleks, they're going to overuse the angels until we're all sick of them now.

Daleks make an appearance this year...all of them!

The angles were the creepiest new villains in the whovierse. They should have left them alone. The second story really pulled the scary out if them. I think it was the direction and the lighting.

Nah, it was the whole, "Walk like you can see and they won't attack you" bit from the Angels two part episode that did it for me. Hell I actually liked the bit where if you stare at an Angel's eyes they can manifest in your head and screw you up part, but the whole "They won't attack you if they think you can see them" was kinda stupid. Now this with the Statue of Liberty. The Angels have jumped the shark. I've loved Moffat being at the helm these last few seasons, but that's just bad.

That was breatakingly idiotic. The whole point was the angels couldn't move if observed. That was their defense and weakness.

You would think that they noticed they werent observed. Perhaps if the angels had to maneuver themselves so they wouldn't be seen...

Either way their second appearance didn't work, but the actual story was decent.


Is someone always looking at the Statue of Liberty?

I guess they could kill off all of NYC/NJ and just dump Dr, Amy, and Rory.
 
2012-07-31 05:55:09 PM

Shedim: Flesh and Stone was the episode that ruined the Angels for me. "Walk like you can see" was survivable with some justification, but all immersion was lost the second I saw an Angel move on-screen. Making a giant Angel isn't going to bring that back.

Mad_Radhu: Since they are un NYC for the episode and River Song reportedly plays a role, I'm also willing to bet that at the very end we'll get a scene where a middle-aged version of the Ponds finds a young Mels on the streets of New York in 1969, so there is a bittersweet ending for them as a family.

Even by Doctor Who standards, River Song's timeline is a massively convoluted mess and I think "Let's Kill Hitler" actually made it worse. I'm starting to get the feeling they're making her timeline up as they go along.

Fingers crossed Rory survives.


Actually to me River timeline is actually pretty cool. It's not convoluted when you realize it's in reverse. Perhaps the more brilliant accross time romances ever attempted.

Ponds will live to an old age. The Doctor will visit them throughout their lives, until the end.
 
2012-07-31 06:26:02 PM

Mad_Radhu: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x633]


Wouldn't the Silence win out pretty quickly against the Angels?
Once the Silence sees a Angel, all it has to do is to walk around it, and it forgets the Silence exists.
 
2012-07-31 07:12:29 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Shedim: Flesh and Stone was the episode that ruined the Angels for me. "Walk like you can see" was survivable with some justification, but all immersion was lost the second I saw an Angel move on-screen. Making a giant Angel isn't going to bring that back.

Mad_Radhu: Since they are un NYC for the episode and River Song reportedly plays a role, I'm also willing to bet that at the very end we'll get a scene where a middle-aged version of the Ponds finds a young Mels on the streets of New York in 1969, so there is a bittersweet ending for them as a family.

Even by Doctor Who standards, River Song's timeline is a massively convoluted mess and I think "Let's Kill Hitler" actually made it worse. I'm starting to get the feeling they're making her timeline up as they go along.

Fingers crossed Rory survives.

Actually to me River timeline is actually pretty cool. It's not convoluted when you realize it's in reverse. Perhaps the more brilliant accross time romances ever attempted.

Ponds will live to an old age. The Doctor will visit them throughout their lives, until the end.




It's not exactly "in reverse", just generally in reverse for some of the big moments. If it was strictly in reverse, every meeting, then why would River bother with the diary and trying to find out where they are? She'd know exactly, one earlier than the last time.

Much as they try to fanwank it, Tennant leaving screwed it up a bit. That's the only time River met Ten, she would have known he was an earlier Doctor, so why would she be surprised that he didn't recognise her?

/Still want to know about the mystery extra flight of stairs in Amy's house.
 
2012-07-31 07:33:21 PM

Flint Ironstag: Darth_Lukecash: Shedim: Flesh and Stone was the episode that ruined the Angels for me. "Walk like you can see" was survivable with some justification, but all immersion was lost the second I saw an Angel move on-screen. Making a giant Angel isn't going to bring that back.

Mad_Radhu: Since they are un NYC for the episode and River Song reportedly plays a role, I'm also willing to bet that at the very end we'll get a scene where a middle-aged version of the Ponds finds a young Mels on the streets of New York in 1969, so there is a bittersweet ending for them as a family.

Even by Doctor Who standards, River Song's timeline is a massively convoluted mess and I think "Let's Kill Hitler" actually made it worse. I'm starting to get the feeling they're making her timeline up as they go along.

Fingers crossed Rory survives.

Actually to me River timeline is actually pretty cool. It's not convoluted when you realize it's in reverse. Perhaps the more brilliant accross time romances ever attempted.

Ponds will live to an old age. The Doctor will visit them throughout their lives, until the end.



It's not exactly "in reverse", just generally in reverse for some of the big moments. If it was strictly in reverse, every meeting, then why would River bother with the diary and trying to find out where they are? She'd know exactly, one earlier than the last time.

Much as they try to fanwank it, Tennant leaving screwed it up a bit. That's the only time River met Ten, she would have known he was an earlier Doctor, so why would she be surprised that he didn't recognise her?

/Still want to know about the mystery extra flight of stairs in Amy's house.


Exactly. It's jumbled up and generally backwards, but not exactly. It's almost as if SM hadn't mapped it all out when he wrote Silence in the Library.
 
2012-07-31 07:42:34 PM

Flint Ironstag: Much as they try to fanwank it, Tennant leaving screwed it up a bit. That's the only time River met Ten, she would have known he was an earlier Doctor, so why would she be surprised that he didn't recognise her?


Oh, there's always room to fanwank in Doctor Who. I'm not sure if she'll continue as a character past the end of the Smith/Moffatt era, but there is always the possibility that she could meet some later Doctors. You can also fanwank it that she met Ten several other times during some missing adventures between Journey's End and The End of Time, since it seems like the Doctor had seen her few other times before The Time of Angels, based on how he seemed a little more familiar with her compared to where The Forest of the Dead left them. Also, chances are good that we'll see her and Ten crossing paths during the multi-Doctior stories that are most likely planned for next year.

It's actually a bit of shame that they didn't throw in a hundred years or so of travels for Ten during that time period, like Moffat did for Eleven, since that would allow for a bit more leeway in his timeline. We've got a pretty limited timeline for Ten, while there is a huge block of time for extra adventures of Eleven between The God Complex and Closing Time.
 
2012-07-31 08:00:34 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Flint Ironstag: Darth_Lukecash: Shedim: Flesh and Stone was the episode that ruined the Angels for me. "Walk like you can see" was survivable with some justification, but all immersion was lost the second I saw an Angel move on-screen. Making a giant Angel isn't going to bring that back.

Mad_Radhu: Since they are un NYC for the episode and River Song reportedly plays a role, I'm also willing to bet that at the very end we'll get a scene where a middle-aged version of the Ponds finds a young Mels on the streets of New York in 1969, so there is a bittersweet ending for them as a family.

Even by Doctor Who standards, River Song's timeline is a massively convoluted mess and I think "Let's Kill Hitler" actually made it worse. I'm starting to get the feeling they're making her timeline up as they go along.

Fingers crossed Rory survives.

Actually to me River timeline is actually pretty cool. It's not convoluted when you realize it's in reverse. Perhaps the more brilliant accross time romances ever attempted.

Ponds will live to an old age. The Doctor will visit them throughout their lives, until the end.



It's not exactly "in reverse", just generally in reverse for some of the big moments. If it was strictly in reverse, every meeting, then why would River bother with the diary and trying to find out where they are? She'd know exactly, one earlier than the last time.

Much as they try to fanwank it, Tennant leaving screwed it up a bit. That's the only time River met Ten, she would have known he was an earlier Doctor, so why would she be surprised that he didn't recognise her?

/Still want to know about the mystery extra flight of stairs in Amy's house.

Exactly. It's jumbled up and generally backwards, but not exactly. It's almost as if SM hadn't mapped it all out when he wrote Silence in the Library.


DWM tried, in vain, to create a River Song timeline. They kinda got it, but even they, who worship all things Moffat, threw their hands up in the air. They've also been quick to point out that the Silence's plan seemed needlessly complex and convoluted for such an advanced group.
 
2012-07-31 08:08:06 PM

Flint Ironstag: Darth_Lukecash: Shedim: Flesh and Stone was the episode that ruined the Angels for me. "Walk like you can see" was survivable with some justification, but all immersion was lost the second I saw an Angel move on-screen. Making a giant Angel isn't going to bring that back.

Mad_Radhu: Since they are un NYC for the episode and River Song reportedly plays a role, I'm also willing to bet that at the very end we'll get a scene where a middle-aged version of the Ponds finds a young Mels on the streets of New York in 1969, so there is a bittersweet ending for them as a family.

Even by Doctor Who standards, River Song's timeline is a massively convoluted mess and I think "Let's Kill Hitler" actually made it worse. I'm starting to get the feeling they're making her timeline up as they go along.

Fingers crossed Rory survives.

Actually to me River timeline is actually pretty cool. It's not convoluted when you realize it's in reverse. Perhaps the more brilliant accross time romances ever attempted.

Ponds will live to an old age. The Doctor will visit them throughout their lives, until the end.



It's not exactly "in reverse", just generally in reverse for some of the big moments. If it was strictly in reverse, every meeting, then why would River bother with the diary and trying to find out where they are? She'd know exactly, one earlier than the last time.

Much as they try to fanwank it, Tennant leaving screwed it up a bit. That's the only time River met Ten, she would have known he was an earlier Doctor, so why would she be surprised that he didn't recognise her?

/Still want to know about the mystery extra flight of stairs in Amy's house.


Tennant being such a fan favorite and then leaving screwed up a lot of things. I get the feeling that Moffat approached many of his ideas (River Song, Weeping Angels) as a one-shot, and when he took over the whole show, he thought, well, what the hell? Bring 'em back.
 
2012-07-31 08:20:40 PM

Flint Ironstag:
It's not exactly "in reverse", just generally in reverse for some of the big moments. If it was strictly in reverse, every meeting, then why would River bother with the diary and trying to find out where they are? She'd know exactly, one earlier than the last time..


There is probably an event coming up from which Riversong will only go 'backwards' and that is how she'll be written off the show. And in character it works; she KNEW, but had to play it off because HE could not know.
 
2012-07-31 08:21:53 PM
Also, it's probably a statue that looks like Lady Liberty. Not actually TSOL.
 
2012-07-31 08:38:34 PM
God damn, I don't want River Song hanging around the neck of the 12th Doctor. Wrap her right the hell up and get her off. And fark the Ponds and the Angels - two things good in small doses, but only stupider and painful as time goes on. Honestly, I think Amy's IQ and short term memory devolves with every jump in time. I thought she'd finally been convinced to stop being "the girl who waited".
 
2012-07-31 10:54:11 PM

Flint Ironstag: Much as they try to fanwank it, Tennant leaving screwed it up a bit. That's the only time River met Ten, she would have known he was an earlier Doctor, so why would she be surprised that he didn't recognise her?


It isn't necessarily the only time in which River met Ten (although it was the only time on-screen). Of course there was all of that opportunity during 2009 or between "Runaway Bride" and "Smith & Jones" or between "Voyage of the Damned" and "Partners in Crime", but I had another particular time in mind: Eleven told Jo in "Death of the Doctor" part 2 that he (as Ten) visited her and all of his former companions during the events at the end of "The End of Time", even though only his visits to Jack & Alonzo, Wilf & Donna, Mickey & Martha, Sarah Jane & Luke, Rose & Jackie, and Joan Renfren's great [-great?] grand-daughter are depicted.

She might also meet Ten (presumably set during one of the afore-listed opportunities from his perspective) in a future multi-Doctor episode; perhaps next year for example.
 
2012-08-01 03:31:28 AM
"Not everyone gets out alive. And I mean it this time!"

They will write out River Song because her "Time travelers wife" reverse timeline thingy is getting too cumbersome and unwieldy to keep going.

There will be dust.

/Should I have prefaced that with "spoilers"? It's just a guess, really.
//If they kill off the guy who put Hitler in a closet the series is dead to me.
 
2012-08-01 11:57:26 PM

Shedim: Darth_Lukecash: On the other hand, it's actually nice that they remember The Doctor is a 1000 year old alien, and not some Don Jaun who pines for or chased by every female.

There should be a rule: if you write slash about particular characters, you're not allowed write episodes involving those characters. I swear, if RTD could've changed Tennant's costume in "The Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords" to running around shirtless with "PLEASE MASTER" and an arrow pointing down scrawled on his back in a shaky, pre-orgasmic hand he would've done it.

/will never understand Foe Yay


It's hot. Hate is just Love that's been disappointed.

/that entry at tvtropes regarding Charmed's Prue and Cole was so true it hurt
//some of the best books written have been about unresolved sexual tension between haters
 
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